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[Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers
Hi,
NetBeans has native Windows launchers to start on Windows, and we needed to
update them. So I tried here:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/573
As it is the first time we are doing this in Apache, I'd be grateful if:
-mentors could check the approach is OK
-Windows users would check all works (I tried on my Windows, but I only
have a single installation).
Thanks,
Jan
Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Jan,
On Fri, Jun 29, 2018 at 11:53 AM Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Any idea how to move that forward? It would be awesome if we could compile
> our launchers and not use the legacy ones....
Doesn't LEGAL-390 answer your concerns?
IANAL but it sounds like with the right information in your LICENCE
file, maybe something like "the launcher binaries are redistributed
according to https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/license.html"
it should be ok to redistribute those binary launchers.
Assuming that's done as part of convenience binaries as opposed to the
NetBeans source code release.
-Bertrand
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Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
Hi Bertrand,
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 9:48 PM, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacretaz@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > ...-the launchers include jni.h - I suspected using jni.h from
>> (Open)JDK might
>> > be troublesome; but luckily, there is Apache Harmony, and their jni.h
>> works
>> > fine (or seems so, at least). So, I've included the jni.h and
>> jni_types.h
>> > from Apache Harmony, and the launchers are compiled against them. Given
>> > this is under Apache License, Version 2.0, I assume that is OK,
>> right?...
>>
>> Yes, including code from another Apache project is pefectly fine.
>>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>> > ...-the launchers use libstdc++ (and libgcc, when compiled using gcc)
>> and are
>> > built using MinGW. Looking at "GCC RUNTIME LIBRARY EXCEPTION", this
>> should
>> > be OK, right?...
>>
>> GPL build tools are fine as long as you do not redistribute them.
>>
>> As for libstdc++ which I assume is a required GPL dependency, if you
>> think there is a valid exception it should be documented at
>> http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html or derived from information
>> found there, or maybe in a LEGAL jira ticket that clarifies things.
>>
>
> I've filled:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-390
>
Any idea how to move that forward? It would be awesome if we could compile
our launchers and not use the legacy ones.
Thanks,
Jan
>
>
>
>>
>> It's good to include all this information in your jira ticket so we
>> can answers any questions about it with the URL of that ticket.
>>
>
> Ok, will do so once we know the answers.
>
> Thanks,
> Jan
>
>
>> HTH,
>> -Bertrand
>>
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Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> Hi Jan,
>
> On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...-the launchers include jni.h - I suspected using jni.h from (Open)JDK
> might
> > be troublesome; but luckily, there is Apache Harmony, and their jni.h
> works
> > fine (or seems so, at least). So, I've included the jni.h and jni_types.h
> > from Apache Harmony, and the launchers are compiled against them. Given
> > this is under Apache License, Version 2.0, I assume that is OK, right?...
>
> Yes, including code from another Apache project is pefectly fine.
>
Thanks!
> > ...-the launchers use libstdc++ (and libgcc, when compiled using gcc)
> and are
> > built using MinGW. Looking at "GCC RUNTIME LIBRARY EXCEPTION", this
> should
> > be OK, right?...
>
> GPL build tools are fine as long as you do not redistribute them.
>
> As for libstdc++ which I assume is a required GPL dependency, if you
> think there is a valid exception it should be documented at
> http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html or derived from information
> found there, or maybe in a LEGAL jira ticket that clarifies things.
>
I've filled:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-390
>
> It's good to include all this information in your jira ticket so we
> can answers any questions about it with the URL of that ticket.
>
Ok, will do so once we know the answers.
Thanks,
Jan
> HTH,
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Jan,
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...-the launchers include jni.h - I suspected using jni.h from (Open)JDK might
> be troublesome; but luckily, there is Apache Harmony, and their jni.h works
> fine (or seems so, at least). So, I've included the jni.h and jni_types.h
> from Apache Harmony, and the launchers are compiled against them. Given
> this is under Apache License, Version 2.0, I assume that is OK, right?...
Yes, including code from another Apache project is pefectly fine.
> ...-the launchers use libstdc++ (and libgcc, when compiled using gcc) and are
> built using MinGW. Looking at "GCC RUNTIME LIBRARY EXCEPTION", this should
> be OK, right?...
GPL build tools are fine as long as you do not redistribute them.
As for libstdc++ which I assume is a required GPL dependency, if you
think there is a valid exception it should be documented at
http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html or derived from information
found there, or maybe in a LEGAL jira ticket that clarifies things.
It's good to include all this information in your jira ticket so we
can answers any questions about it with the URL of that ticket.
HTH,
-Bertrand
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Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers
Posted by Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jun 4, 2018 at 11:45 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <bdelacretaz@apache.org
> wrote:
> Hi Jan,
>
> On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >... NetBeans has native Windows launchers to start on Windows, and we
> needed to
> > update them. So I tried here:
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/573 ...
>
> Can you summarize what the mentor-related issue is? Distributing
> binaries instead of source code? Something else?
>
IDE sources contain launcher sources, and IDE binaries contain launcher
binaries (downloaded at build time), as we do now, so no big difference
there, I think.
The two main questions here are related to stuff against which the lauchers
are build and liked:
-the launchers include jni.h - I suspected using jni.h from (Open)JDK might
be troublesome; but luckily, there is Apache Harmony, and their jni.h works
fine (or seems so, at least). So, I've included the jni.h and jni_types.h
from Apache Harmony, and the launchers are compiled against them. Given
this is under Apache License, Version 2.0, I assume that is OK, right?
-the launchers use libstdc++ (and libgcc, when compiled using gcc) and are
built using MinGW. Looking at "GCC RUNTIME LIBRARY EXCEPTION", this should
be OK, right?
https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/libstdc++/manual/license.html
Thanks,
Jan
> -Bertrand
>
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Re: [Mentors][Windows] Updating Windows launchers
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
Hi Jan,
On Sun, Jun 3, 2018 at 8:36 AM, Jan Lahoda <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
>... NetBeans has native Windows launchers to start on Windows, and we needed to
> update them. So I tried here:
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/pull/573 ...
Can you summarize what the mentor-related issue is? Distributing
binaries instead of source code? Something else?
-Bertrand
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