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Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Hi
the content is simply.
"
Apache Gobblin
Copyright 2017-2018 The Apache Software Foundation
This product includes software developed at
The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
This product includes Bootstrap
Copyright (c) 2011-2015 Twitter, Inc.
This product includes the Glyphicons Halflings icon set
Copyright (c) Jan Kovařík (http://glyphicons.com)
Licensed under The MIT License (MIT) as a part of the Bootstrap project.
This product includes normalize.css
Copyright (c) Nicolas Gallagher and Jonathan Neal
"
Can you please explain what is the legal problem with such content?
TBH I can see so many similar content in a lot of TLP projects. So why we
should be more rude here than for other projects?
On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 at 09:08, Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> -1 binding as NOTICE should not contain copyrights of bundled 3rd party
> software. The NOTICE file needs to only contain what is required (and not
> already in LICENSE) and needs to be as small as possible as it affects
> downstream projects. [2]
>
> I checked:
> - incubating in name
> - signatures and hashes good
> - DISCLAIMER exists
> - LICENSE is missing info for fonts [1]
> - NOTICE is incorrect
> - Some .sh files are missing ASF headers
> - Can compile from source
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1.
> apache-gobblin-incubating-sources-0.12.0/gobblin-admin/src/main/resources/static/fonts/*
> 2. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice
>
>
>
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Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Abhishek Tiwari <ab...@apache.org>.
Thanks everyone for the feedback.
Summarizing the thread: proposed changes to the NOTICE file is an
improvement and thus we will consider it in the next release.
At the moment, I will close the vote since we have run out of time and have
the necessary votes.
Thanks again,
Abhishek
On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 1:51 AM, Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> +1, not a blocker since it is more on nice to have helpers than needed
> tools IMHO and legally it looks ok and it builds properly
>
> Le 1 avr. 2018 10:42, "Olivier Lamy" <ol...@apache.org> a écrit :
>
> > Well not a big drama, we can fix that with the next release.
> > ATM 2 mentors have voted +1: Jean-Baptiste and myself.
> > 1 * IPMC with Matt.
> >
> >
> > On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 at 18:36, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > PS by my count you only need one more +1 vote and only one of your
> > project
> > > mentors have voted.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
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>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Romain Manni-Bucau <rm...@gmail.com>.
+1, not a blocker since it is more on nice to have helpers than needed
tools IMHO and legally it looks ok and it builds properly
Le 1 avr. 2018 10:42, "Olivier Lamy" <ol...@apache.org> a écrit :
> Well not a big drama, we can fix that with the next release.
> ATM 2 mentors have voted +1: Jean-Baptiste and myself.
> 1 * IPMC with Matt.
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 at 18:36, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > PS by my count you only need one more +1 vote and only one of your
> project
> > mentors have voted.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
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> >
>
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>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>.
Well not a big drama, we can fix that with the next release.
ATM 2 mentors have voted +1: Jean-Baptiste and myself.
1 * IPMC with Matt.
On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 at 18:36, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> PS by my count you only need one more +1 vote and only one of your project
> mentors have voted.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
PS by my count you only need one more +1 vote and only one of your project mentors have voted.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Thanks for the update. It makes sense.
Let's see what the other IPMC will say. Definitely something to fix for next release at least.
Regards
JB
Le 1 avr. 2018 à 10:25, à 10:25, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> a écrit:
>Hi,
>
>> Yes but as said we can fix in next release cycle. It's more an
>improvement than a blocker IMHO.
>
>IMO it still warrants a -1, but that is not a veto or a blocker. Other
>IPMC members and the project mentors are free to vote however they
>want. If you get 3 +1 votes and more +1’s than -1’s you can release it.
>
>Thanks,
>Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Yes but as said we can fix in next release cycle. It's more an improvement than a blocker IMHO.
IMO it still warrants a -1, but that is not a veto or a blocker. Other IPMC members and the project mentors are free to vote however they want. If you get 3 +1 votes and more +1’s than -1’s you can release it.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Jean-Baptiste Onofré <jb...@nanthrax.net>.
Yes but as said we can fix in next release cycle. It's more an improvement than a blocker IMHO.
Regards
JB
Le 1 avr. 2018 à 10:10, à 10:10, Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com> a écrit:
>Hi Olivier
>
>NOTICE file is not supposed to include the copyright unless the License
>requires.
>As the MIT License already has the copyright statement, we don't need
>to
>specify it in the NOTCE file.
>
>I just copy the Justin's comments from the lega issue discussion[1] ,
>it
>can explain lots of thing.
>
>"While including all of NOTICE is the safest/simplest way.
>
>INAL but I also think removal of obvious things that have been
>documented
>that shouldn't be there is also safe. i.e.
>
> - Don't include ASF duplicate ASF copyright/this product developed at
> the ASF lines [1]
>- Remove anything that should be in LICENSE (that is already there)
>i.e.
> MIT and BSD license information [2]
> - Remove any copyright lines from MIT and BSD (but not ASL 2.0)
>permissive licenses, who headers are still in place in their respective
> files [3]
> - Only include parts if they are bundled in your release [4]
>
>Perhaps also politely ask / provide a patch to the upstream project to
>fix
>their NOTICE file?
>
>1. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#bundle-asf-product
>2. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#permissive-deps
>3. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice
>4. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#guiding-principle"
>
>[1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-262
>
>
>Willem Jiang
>
>Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English)
> http://jnn.iteye.com (Chinese)
>Twitter: willemjiang
>Weibo: 姜宁willem
>
>On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>> the content is simply.
>> "
>>
>> Apache Gobblin
>>
>> Copyright 2017-2018 The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>>
>> This product includes software developed at
>>
>> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>>
>>
>> This product includes Bootstrap
>>
>> Copyright (c) 2011-2015 Twitter, Inc.
>>
>>
>> This product includes the Glyphicons Halflings icon set
>>
>> Copyright (c) Jan Kovařík (http://glyphicons.com)
>>
>> Licensed under The MIT License (MIT) as a part of the Bootstrap
>project.
>>
>>
>> This product includes normalize.css
>>
>> Copyright (c) Nicolas Gallagher and Jonathan Neal
>> "
>> Can you please explain what is the legal problem with such content?
>> TBH I can see so many similar content in a lot of TLP projects. So
>why we
>> should be more rude here than for other projects?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 at 09:08, Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > -1 binding as NOTICE should not contain copyrights of bundled 3rd
>party
>> > software. The NOTICE file needs to only contain what is required
>(and
>> not
>> > already in LICENSE) and needs to be as small as possible as it
>affects
>> > downstream projects. [2]
>> >
>> > I checked:
>> > - incubating in name
>> > - signatures and hashes good
>> > - DISCLAIMER exists
>> > - LICENSE is missing info for fonts [1]
>> > - NOTICE is incorrect
>> > - Some .sh files are missing ASF headers
>> > - Can compile from source
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>> >
>> > 1.
>> > apache-gobblin-incubating-sources-0.12.0/gobblin-admin/
>> src/main/resources/static/fonts/*
>> > 2. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Olivier Lamy
>> http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
>>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Willem Jiang <wi...@gmail.com>.
Hi Olivier
NOTICE file is not supposed to include the copyright unless the License
requires.
As the MIT License already has the copyright statement, we don't need to
specify it in the NOTCE file.
I just copy the Justin's comments from the lega issue discussion[1] , it
can explain lots of thing.
"While including all of NOTICE is the safest/simplest way.
INAL but I also think removal of obvious things that have been documented
that shouldn't be there is also safe. i.e.
- Don't include ASF duplicate ASF copyright/this product developed at
the ASF lines [1]
- Remove anything that should be in LICENSE (that is already there) i.e.
MIT and BSD license information [2]
- Remove any copyright lines from MIT and BSD (but not ASL 2.0)
permissive licenses, who headers are still in place in their respective
files [3]
- Only include parts if they are bundled in your release [4]
Perhaps also politely ask / provide a patch to the upstream project to fix
their NOTICE file?
1. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#bundle-asf-product
2. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#permissive-deps
3. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice
4. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#guiding-principle"
[1]https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-262
Willem Jiang
Blog: http://willemjiang.blogspot.com (English)
http://jnn.iteye.com (Chinese)
Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem
On Sun, Apr 1, 2018 at 8:38 AM, Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi
> the content is simply.
> "
>
> Apache Gobblin
>
> Copyright 2017-2018 The Apache Software Foundation
>
>
> This product includes software developed at
>
> The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/).
>
>
> This product includes Bootstrap
>
> Copyright (c) 2011-2015 Twitter, Inc.
>
>
> This product includes the Glyphicons Halflings icon set
>
> Copyright (c) Jan Kovařík (http://glyphicons.com)
>
> Licensed under The MIT License (MIT) as a part of the Bootstrap project.
>
>
> This product includes normalize.css
>
> Copyright (c) Nicolas Gallagher and Jonathan Neal
> "
> Can you please explain what is the legal problem with such content?
> TBH I can see so many similar content in a lot of TLP projects. So why we
> should be more rude here than for other projects?
>
>
> On Sun, 1 Apr 2018 at 09:08, Justin Mclean <ju...@me.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > -1 binding as NOTICE should not contain copyrights of bundled 3rd party
> > software. The NOTICE file needs to only contain what is required (and
> not
> > already in LICENSE) and needs to be as small as possible as it affects
> > downstream projects. [2]
> >
> > I checked:
> > - incubating in name
> > - signatures and hashes good
> > - DISCLAIMER exists
> > - LICENSE is missing info for fonts [1]
> > - NOTICE is incorrect
> > - Some .sh files are missing ASF headers
> > - Can compile from source
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1.
> > apache-gobblin-incubating-sources-0.12.0/gobblin-admin/
> src/main/resources/static/fonts/*
> > 2. http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#mod-notice
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
> --
> Olivier Lamy
> http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
>
Re: [VOTE] Apache Gobblin 0.12.0 release RC2
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> Can you please explain what is the legal problem with such content?
It’s not a legal probably as such but an ASF policy one. The NOTICE need to be keep as small as possible as it has an affect on downstream projects.
> TBH I can see so many similar content in a lot of TLP projects.
You might think you do but you may be confusing relocated copyrights with copyrights from license files or content from upstream notice files.
Thanks,
Justin.
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