Alternative solution for Pootle registration troubles...

[Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>]

Hi all,

I have raised this suggestion on Github: https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/6805 where you can see what I think could be done to smoothen the registration process for a Pootle account.

Regards,

Ahmad A

Re: Alternative solution for Pootle registration troubles...

[Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>]

Ahmad,

Andrea is exercising oversight on the part of the Project Management Committee (PMC.) We have to know who we give permission to Pootle. We have a similar approach to the Wikis. For the code we actually vote in private to give people committers rights. This is standard practice at the Apache Software Foundation. The mantra is Community over Code and in this way we foster direct connections. We are also all volunteer.

We are willing to have the initial interaction assure that an individual is doing more than one or two drive by changes.

I appreciate your eagerness and earnest desire to help.

Regards,
Dave

> On Feb 22, 2018, at 3:38 PM, Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Firstly, I understand the spam concern, but I believe that can be stopped.
> 
> If a traditional registration form was to be implemented, it would save a lot of time for both the administrators and users, and allow efficient flow of data into the database without manual use. Also, if the focus is on manually creating accounts, it wastes potential time for other stuff that you, as admins, could be doing, rather than registering users onto the database. In the case of spamming, or botting, there can be an ‘I AM NOT A ROBOT’ authenticator, which I am sure you have seen before online, where users need to pass the BOT test to be able to submit the registration form. I also have asked people about what type of registration form they would prefer if they were attempting to register on a particular website. I had everyone telling me “seriously, why would I want admins to manually register an account for me, that is a waste of time, and self-registering saves so much time”. So what I am trying to say is that, like myself, people have suggested that they would be more appealed to a self-registration user account system, and that there is a high chance that people would lose appeal to the software/program/system and leave it.
> 
> I hope you can understand my perspective, and perhaps see the sense in a traditional registration system.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Ahmad Alawsie
> 
> 
> 
> From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
> Sent: 08 February 2018 07:47
> To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: Alternative solution for Pootle registration troubles...
> 
> Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
>> I have raised this suggestion on Github: https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/6805 where you can see what I think could be done to smoothen the registration process for a Pootle account.
> 
> That one is not a Pootle issue, so you can close that issue. That is
> just a matter of how we setup it. The current setup is that we prefer to
> reduce spam, so new accounts are only created on request in all our
> infrastructure (wiki, Pootle, everywhere). Still, even if we decided to
> let user self-create an account, all these systems require e-mail
> verification, so we would still have exactly the same problem.
> 
> Actually, creating accounts manually is the only way to have the
> workaround available: we just force a temporary random password and send
> it to the user.
> 
> Regards,
>   Andrea.
> 
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RE: Alternative solution for Pootle registration troubles...

[Ahmad Alawsie <ah...@hotmail.com>]

Firstly, I understand the spam concern, but I believe that can be stopped.

If a traditional registration form was to be implemented, it would save a lot of time for both the administrators and users, and allow efficient flow of data into the database without manual use. Also, if the focus is on manually creating accounts, it wastes potential time for other stuff that you, as admins, could be doing, rather than registering users onto the database. In the case of spamming, or botting, there can be an ‘I AM NOT A ROBOT’ authenticator, which I am sure you have seen before online, where users need to pass the BOT test to be able to submit the registration form. I also have asked people about what type of registration form they would prefer if they were attempting to register on a particular website. I had everyone telling me “seriously, why would I want admins to manually register an account for me, that is a waste of time, and self-registering saves so much time”. So what I am trying to say is that, like myself, people have suggested that they would be more appealed to a self-registration user account system, and that there is a high chance that people would lose appeal to the software/program/system and leave it.

I hope you can understand my perspective, and perhaps see the sense in a traditional registration system.

Kind regards,
Ahmad Alawsie



From: Andrea Pescetti<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: 08 February 2018 07:47
To: l10n@openoffice.apache.org<ma...@openoffice.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Alternative solution for Pootle registration troubles...

Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> I have raised this suggestion on Github: https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/6805 where you can see what I think could be done to smoothen the registration process for a Pootle account.

That one is not a Pootle issue, so you can close that issue. That is
just a matter of how we setup it. The current setup is that we prefer to
reduce spam, so new accounts are only created on request in all our
infrastructure (wiki, Pootle, everywhere). Still, even if we decided to
let user self-create an account, all these systems require e-mail
verification, so we would still have exactly the same problem.

Actually, creating accounts manually is the only way to have the
workaround available: we just force a temporary random password and send
it to the user.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: Alternative solution for Pootle registration troubles...

[Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>]

Ahmad Alawsie wrote:
> I have raised this suggestion on Github: https://github.com/translate/pootle/issues/6805 where you can see what I think could be done to smoothen the registration process for a Pootle account.

That one is not a Pootle issue, so you can close that issue. That is 
just a matter of how we setup it. The current setup is that we prefer to 
reduce spam, so new accounts are only created on request in all our 
infrastructure (wiki, Pootle, everywhere). Still, even if we decided to 
let user self-create an account, all these systems require e-mail 
verification, so we would still have exactly the same problem.

Actually, creating accounts manually is the only way to have the 
workaround available: we just force a temporary random password and send 
it to the user.

Regards,
   Andrea.

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