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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca> on 2004/10/05 19:30:23 UTC
Bye bye welcome page
Fair warning:
As the first stage of a simplification of the default config in 2.1
(only!), I'm going to remove all the html files under
httpd-2.1/docs/docroot/ and replace them with an index.html file
containing only <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>
I'm going to do this because:
1. The old welcome page is a constant source of confusion to random web
surfers who stumble on unconfigured apache installs.
2. New users, when finding on a docroot with dozens of files, are often
confused about where to put their own content.
3. The international welcome page is a large source of bug reports from
people wanting to tweak grammar or provide new translations.
4. This will allow us to simplify the default config by removing the
config stuff necessary to handle the typemap.
I'll wait until tomorrow uncase someone cares to object.
Joshua.
Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Chip Cuccio <ch...@norlug.org>.
* Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>
|__ Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 01:30:23PM -0400:
>
> (only!), I'm going to remove all the html files under
> httpd-2.1/docs/docroot/ and replace them with an index.html file
> containing only <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>
+1
Good call, Josh.
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Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Erik Abele <er...@codefaktor.de>.
On 06.10.2004, at 18:07, Cliff Woolley wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, [ISO-8859-15] André Malo wrote:
>
>> - there are 1000 people with 1000 other opinions.
>>
>> For that reason, I'm ++1 for taking this minimalistic variant.
>> Otherwise we
>> get never a consensus about this darn dummy page.
>
> That's an exceedingly good point. Make it so. :)
>
> +1.
Same here, +1 - although... ;)
Cheers,
Erik
Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Cliff Woolley <jw...@virginia.edu>.
On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, [ISO-8859-15] André Malo wrote:
> - there are 1000 people with 1000 other opinions.
>
> For that reason, I'm ++1 for taking this minimalistic variant. Otherwise we
> get never a consensus about this darn dummy page.
That's an exceedingly good point. Make it so. :)
+1.
--Cliff
Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by André Malo <nd...@perlig.de>.
* Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca> wrote:
> Fair warning:
>
> As the first stage of a simplification of the default config in 2.1
> (only!), I'm going to remove all the html files under
> httpd-2.1/docs/docroot/ and replace them with an index.html file
> containing only <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>
>
> I'm going to do this because:
- there are 1000 people with 1000 other opinions.
For that reason, I'm ++1 for taking this minimalistic variant. Otherwise we
get never a consensus about this darn dummy page.
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RE: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Sander Striker <st...@apache.org>.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Leggett [mailto:minfrin@sharp.fm]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2004 8:36 PM
> To: dev@httpd.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Bye bye welcome page
> Joshua Slive wrote:
>
>> My opinion is that the shorter message is better because, by the fact
>> that it gives no information at all, it is less likely to be
>> misinterpreted to mean something that the website owner doesn't intend.
>>
>> I won't object if someone wants to put another piece of text there, as
>> long as it doesn't start us back on the same road we left 5+ years ago
>> with this page.
> In that case why not just have the default page be an empty drectory
> listing?
> If I was a newbie, and I saw a page that says `it worked`, my immediate
> reaction would be `what worked?` and I would start asking the exact
> questions we`re trying to stop people from asking.
We can always go with simply displaying a meaningless word like 'Waboozle'.
Sander
Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
Joshua Slive wrote:
> My opinion is that the shorter message is better because, by the fact
> that it gives no information at all, it is less likely to be
> misinterpreted to mean something that the website owner doesn't intend.
>
> I won't object if someone wants to put another piece of text there, as
> long as it doesn't start us back on the same road we left 5+ years ago
> with this page.
In that case why not just have the default page be an empty drectory
listing?
If I was a newbie, and I saw a page that says `it worked`, my immediate
reaction would be `what worked?` and I would start asking the exact
questions we`re trying to stop people from asking.
Regards,
Graham
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Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Jason Rigby <si...@gmail.com>.
With regards to this whole new welcome page thingy, I feel the
somewhat redundant need to say my lil bit-o-stuff....
Maybe there should simply be a blank page that says something like:
"This page is under constuction"
And it could go out on a crazy tangent to say something like the
server version as at the very bottom... which could be... wait for
it.... in italic!
On Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:07:14 -0400, Manoj Kasichainula <ma...@io.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 01:12:33PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote:
> >My opinion is that the shorter message is better because, by the fact
> >that it gives no information at all, it is less likely to be
> >misinterpreted to mean something that the website owner doesn't intend.
>
> +1, as long as there's no mention of Apache anywhere on the page
>
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Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Manoj Kasichainula <ma...@io.com>.
On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 01:12:33PM -0400, Joshua Slive wrote:
>My opinion is that the shorter message is better because, by the fact
>that it gives no information at all, it is less likely to be
>misinterpreted to mean something that the website owner doesn't intend.
+1, as long as there's no mention of Apache anywhere on the page
Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Graham Leggett wrote:
> Joshua Slive wrote:
>
>> No, because this is a very confusing and ambiguous statement from the
>> perspective of a random web surfer who stumbles on the page. Their
>> response is "Why are you saying I installed a webserver on my computer?
>> This must be some kind of security breach. Call in the marines!" (And I'm
>> hardly exagerating!)
>
> Point... How about "The website you have accessed has not yet been
> configured. Please try to access this website again later."? It's directed at
> end users, and does not imply anywhere that the server might be running on
> their local machine.
My opinion is that the shorter message is better because, by the fact that
it gives no information at all, it is less likely to be misinterpreted to
mean something that the website owner doesn't intend.
I won't object if someone wants to put another piece of text there, as
long as it doesn't start us back on the same road we left 5+ years ago
with this page.
Joshua.
Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by "Scott A. Undercofler" <sc...@huenix.com>.
I agree with the originator of this. I have had to deal with way too many
complaints from users re: "Why when I go to x does it think I have a
webserver on my computer?"
Just a suggestion that I merged into my RPM builds. Don't put an
index.html file at all. Put test.html and make sure Indexes are off in
DocumentRoot. That way a knowledgeable admin can still test to make sure
the server works.
> Hi There,
>
> Cliff Woolley wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Graham Leggett wrote:
> >
> > The website you have accessed is running but has not yet been...
>
> The website you have accessed is running but has no content at the moment.
>
> or:
>
> It works!But i am sorry, there is no content at the moment. Try again
> later. Sincerly, your Apache httpd $versionstring
>
> Everything like "not been configurend" sounds like: "Default install,
> thats an evil thing"
>
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Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Cemil Degirmenci <cd...@wavecon.de>.
Hi There,
Cliff Woolley wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Graham Leggett wrote:
>
> The website you have accessed is running but has not yet been...
The website you have accessed is running but has no content at the moment.
or:
It works!But i am sorry, there is no content at the moment. Try again
later. Sincerly, your Apache httpd $versionstring
Everything like "not been configurend" sounds like: "Default install,
thats an evil thing"
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Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Cliff Woolley <jw...@virginia.edu>.
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Graham Leggett wrote:
> Point... How about "The website you have accessed has not yet been
Or:
The website you have accessed is running but has not yet been...
that speaks to both.
> configured. Please try to access this website again later."? It's
> directed at end users, and does not imply anywhere that the server might
> be running on their local machine.
>
> Regards,
> Graham
> --
>
Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
Joshua Slive wrote:
> No, because this is a very confusing and ambiguous statement from the
> perspective of a random web surfer who stumbles on the page. Their
> response is "Why are you saying I installed a webserver on my computer?
> This must be some kind of security breach. Call in the marines!" (And
> I'm hardly exagerating!)
Point... How about "The website you have accessed has not yet been
configured. Please try to access this website again later."? It's
directed at end users, and does not imply anywhere that the server might
be running on their local machine.
Regards,
Graham
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Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Joshua Slive <jo...@slive.ca>.
On Tue, 5 Oct 2004, Graham Leggett wrote:
> Joshua Slive wrote:
>
>> As the first stage of a simplification of the default config in 2.1
>> (only!), I'm going to remove all the html files under
>> httpd-2.1/docs/docroot/ and replace them with an index.html file containing
>> only <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>
>
> Is it possible to say a little bit more than just "it works"? Maybe something
> like "The webserver installation is successful, and the websrver is currently
> running. To host your own content, please replace this file with your website
> content and reload this URL in your browser."
>
> The idea is that it says enough to give the user assurance that the server is
> working, but at the same time addresses your concerns of comebacks to us.
> Thoughts?
No, because this is a very confusing and ambiguous statement from the
perspective of a random web surfer who stumbles on the page. Their
response is "Why are you saying I installed a webserver on my computer?
This must be some kind of security breach. Call in the marines!" (And
I'm hardly exagerating!)
In fact, your suggested text is very similar to the original (apache 1.1)
welcome page:
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/apache-1.3/htdocs/Attic/index.html?rev=1.1
The revisions since then have improved the situation somewhat, but my
guess is that simplicity wins in this situation. Apache users get a
response that they can probably interpret, other people get a response
that is meaningless, and therefore won't lead them on a wild goose chase.
Joshua.
Re: Bye bye welcome page
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
Joshua Slive wrote:
> As the first stage of a simplification of the default config in 2.1
> (only!), I'm going to remove all the html files under
> httpd-2.1/docs/docroot/ and replace them with an index.html file
> containing only <html><body><h1>It works!</h1></body></html>
Is it possible to say a little bit more than just "it works"? Maybe
something like "The webserver installation is successful, and the
websrver is currently running. To host your own content, please replace
this file with your website content and reload this URL in your browser."
The idea is that it says enough to give the user assurance that the
server is working, but at the same time addresses your concerns of
comebacks to us. Thoughts?
Regards,
Graham
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