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Posted to general@jakarta.apache.org by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org> on 2001/09/06 15:44:46 UTC
Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
"Brian Behlendorf" <br...@collab.net> wrote:
>
> this didn't seem to go through yesterday....
It did :)
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2001 19:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Brian Behlendorf <br...@collab.net>
> To: pmc@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: lists that don't require subscriber approval
>
> Today, the tomcat-user list was spammed by an errant mailer-daemon out
> there that sent out nearly 300 email messages to the rest of the list.
> There are 1091 subscribers to that list, so 300K messages were sent out -
> or nearly that many, as Pier told me about it and I shut down qmail,
> removed the offending messages from the queue (after a half hour of grep
> and awk action to identify those bad messages and nuke them). That was
> not fun, and it was a good thing I was back from Burningman today and
> could fix it, or all mail for apache.org would have been fuct for
> potentially days.
As I said, as soon as I noticed, I unsubbed anyone from that domain from all
mailing lists (thinking it was a some sort of auto reply to each single
message posted on the list). When I noticed that even after unsubbing those
guys I was still flooded by messages, I created the "deny mail from" list of
addresses and put that email address in there, but the queue was already WAY
backlogged... And I contacted Brian on the spot...
(BTW, I didn't create that mailing list, and I don't know who did it, I just
noticed what was happening, but - hey - it's not by fault! :)
> This was possible only because the mailing list was running with the -MU
> options set to ezmlm - which means basically "anyone can post". If that's
> changed to -mu, it changes the behavior of the list to "subscribers can
> post, non-subscribers have their messages bounced to the moderators for
> approval". I really really really recommend all lists run this option -
> the only place where I can see it not being appropriate are lists that
> intentionally welcome posts from outsiders, such as security@apache.org,
> where bouncing or delaying such a message would potentially be a serious
> problem. Any list larger than a few people should have -mu set.
Agreed...
> Currently, the following lists have -MU set, and really should be
> reconsidered:
>
> bugs
Hmmm... This is unused... I would suggest converting it to an alias to
bugzilla@apache.org, and I would like to have a couple of volunteers to help
me out on that...
> jakarta-commons (which should be renamed to "commons", btw)
commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org, to be exact... I can go ahead and do the
conversion of the actual ML, and put jakarta-commons@jakarta.apache.org as
an alias for that list...
> library-dev
There's no whatsoever traffic on that list... I don't know what's it all
about even IF I am listed as the owner of it... Either someone claims its
usefulness (only spam received on that list since months), or I'll just
remove it.
> pmc
This is a small list... Could remain open, as we want anyone to be able to
post to the PMC, and subscription is (I believe) moderated...
> servletapi-dev
I propose collapsing this one with tomcat-dev... Servlet API and Tomcat are
more or less the same thing, and keeping a mailing list only for CVS
putbacks is (IMO) wrong... Also because I would love to see those putbacks
on the tomcat-dev mailing list, where they are more relevant...
> slide-dev
> slide-user
Moderator for those two too... (Remy?)
> struts-dev
> struts-user
Moderator for those two should be Craig :)
> taglibs-dev
And for this one too (Craig? :)
> The following lists are set to -mU, which means all messages are
> moderated:
>
> announcements
That should stay as-is...
> taglibs-user (this I don't understand)
I'm going to change this one to be -mu...
> Let me know if I can make this change.
I and Craig can take care of changing moderations/options for the lists, The
only thing you should do is check out that archives are generated correctly.
Things I also noticed:
- cactus-user
I don't know what this is all about... There is no archive, cactus is
related to the "commons" project, so, it should be really a
"commons-user@jakarta"...
- check-dev
No traffic since october 1999... I propose to erase this one...
- docs
This seems to be unused... I can't see any relevant traffic but various spam
on the archives...
- josper-dev
I believe this was erroneously created (josper? It's JASPER! :) Blast it
- watchdog-dev
It should be treated (IMO) as servletapi-dev... Collapse it with tomcat-dev.
To sum up:
Lists to moderate:
- slide-dev (Remy)
- slide-user (Remy)
- struts-dev (Craig)
- struts-user (Craig)
- taglibs-dev (Craig)
Lists to nuke:
- bugs
- library-dev
- check-dev
- docs
- josper-dev
Lists to rename:
- jakarta-commons (commons-dev)
- cactus-user (commons-user or commons-cactus-user)
- servletapi-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
- watchdog-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
Lists to modify (-mu instead of -mU):
- taglibs-user (Get me off moderation for this one please!)
Please advise (ASAP, please)...
Pier (CCing general@jakarta since there is where things happen)
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
>
> just sent a request for vote now on jakarta-commons@jakarta.apache.org ...
> :)
Since you're at it already, can you please also tell them that I'm going to
change the mailing list name from jakarta-commons@jakarta.apache.org to
commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org ? :)
Let me know...
Pier
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pier Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>
To: <pm...@jakarta.apache.org>
Cc: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
> "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
> >
> > You're right. The name commons-cactus-user@jakarta.apache.org was the
voted
> > name. I seem to remember that the list name was changed at the last
minute
> > to be cactus-user@... because there was the intention to make Cactus a
root
> > project in the future and a name change being a major change it was
> > preferred to name right away cactus-user@...
>
> And making a hell-of-confusion :) Joking, of course... I tend to agree
with
> Brian and with the "guidelines" he gave when we opened the new subprojects
> (back in 99, I believe)... It's just that since (now) cactus is not a
> top-level project, it shouldn't have a top level Mailing List, but it
should
> be always be prepended by the name of the project in which it resides...
>
I also agree. It was a mistake and I apologize for that. Please forgive me
... I promise not to do it again ... :-)
> > However, you're right and I don't think it was done in a orderly manner
and I
> > don't remember any voting on the subject.
>
> I believe that, if you developers want to be a "real" root-level project,
> well, you have all the right to be... Did you have a vote on the commons
> mailing list to "split out" ??? :)
just sent a request for vote now on jakarta-commons@jakarta.apache.org ...
:)
>
> > Maybe now is the right time to vote for making Cactus a top level
project ?
> > Are there conditions for that (like number of hits,downloads, community)
?
> > Who decides, PMC members ?
>
> Once the developers agree that they want to become top level, I believe
that
> it's only a matter of PMC "blessing" of that... I would be +1...
>
Thanks.
> Pier
-Vincent
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
>
> You're right. The name commons-cactus-user@jakarta.apache.org was the voted
> name. I seem to remember that the list name was changed at the last minute
> to be cactus-user@... because there was the intention to make Cactus a root
> project in the future and a name change being a major change it was
> preferred to name right away cactus-user@...
And making a hell-of-confusion :) Joking, of course... I tend to agree with
Brian and with the "guidelines" he gave when we opened the new subprojects
(back in 99, I believe)... It's just that since (now) cactus is not a
top-level project, it shouldn't have a top level Mailing List, but it should
be always be prepended by the name of the project in which it resides...
> However, you're right and I don't think it was done in a orderly manner and I
> don't remember any voting on the subject.
I believe that, if you developers want to be a "real" root-level project,
well, you have all the right to be... Did you have a vote on the commons
mailing list to "split out" ??? :)
> Maybe now is the right time to vote for making Cactus a top level project ?
> Are there conditions for that (like number of hits,downloads, community) ?
> Who decides, PMC members ?
Once the developers agree that they want to become top level, I believe that
it's only a matter of PMC "blessing" of that... I would be +1...
Pier
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Donald" <do...@apache.org>
To: <pm...@jakarta.apache.org>
Cc: <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
> On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 23:44, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > Things I also noticed:
> >
> > - cactus-user
> >
> > I don't know what this is all about... There is no archive, cactus is
> > related to the "commons" project, so, it should be really a
> > "commons-user@jakarta"...
>
> I think when it was initially voted on it was to be named
> "commons-cactus-user@...." or "commons-cactus@...." or similar. Not sure
what
> happened though. The reason for keeping it separate was that it was
> generating a fair number of messages that most commons users didn't want
to
> see ;)
>
You're right. The name commons-cactus-user@jakarta.apache.org was the voted
name. I seem to remember that the list name was changed at the last minute
to be cactus-user@... because there was the intention to make Cactus a root
project in the future and a name change being a major change it was
preferred to name right away cactus-user@... However, you're right and I
don't think it was done in a orderly manner and I don't remember any voting
on the subject.
Maybe now is the right time to vote for making Cactus a top level project ?
Are there conditions for that (like number of hits,downloads, community) ?
Who decides, PMC members ?
Thanks
-Vincent Massol
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001 23:44, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> Things I also noticed:
>
> - cactus-user
>
> I don't know what this is all about... There is no archive, cactus is
> related to the "commons" project, so, it should be really a
> "commons-user@jakarta"...
I think when it was initially voted on it was to be named
"commons-cactus-user@...." or "commons-cactus@...." or similar. Not sure what
happened though. The reason for keeping it separate was that it was
generating a fair number of messages that most commons users didn't want to
see ;)
--
Cheers,
Pete
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
> Regarding cactus :
>
> I think we should leave a few more days for other committer to vote. I don't
> know what the standard number of days to leave. Why don't we say until
> monday 12:00 PM GMT. Then we submit the proposition to the PMC for their
> blessing.
>
> How is that ?
That's why I said "waiting for feedback"...
Pier
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pier Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>
To: "Brian Behlendorf" <br...@collab.net>; "Ted Husted" <hu...@apache.org>
Cc: <pm...@jakarta.apache.org>; <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
[snip]
> >> - cactus-user (commons-user or commons-cactus-user)
> >> - servletapi-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
> >> - watchdog-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
> >
> > I'll let you do these.
>
> I'm waiting for feedback on those...
>
Regarding cactus :
I think we should leave a few more days for other committer to vote. I don't
know what the standard number of days to leave. Why don't we say until
monday 12:00 PM GMT. Then we submit the proposition to the PMC for their
blessing.
How is that ?
Thanks
-Vincent
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Peter Donald <do...@apache.org>.
On Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:32, Vincent Massol wrote:
> I've had a look at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html ...
>
> Here are the strange things I found :
> * Alexandria : no user list (Pier I thought you said ALL projects had both
> lists ;-) )
> * Avalon : no user list and a strange cvs list (I thought all CVS messages
> went to the devlist ?)
> * Commons : information not updated
> * Jakarta documentation : only a docs@ : no user and dev and a cvs list ...
> * Log4j : a cvs list
> * Velocity a TDK list : Question : do we say that -user and -dev lists are
> mandatory and projects are allowed to create additional lists ?
> * Watchdog : no user list
>
> In summary, there is still some work to be done to homogeneize lists ... :)
>
> Who takes charge of changing this ?
Theres no point in fitting square pegs into round holes. Some projects have
no clear differentiation between user and developer. This is especially true
of the component/toolkit projects (like commons/avalon). In these cases it is
far better to centralize all discussions on one list until they reach a
critical mass.
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Pete
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
> Hey, don't take me wrong here .... :-)
I don't :) :) :)
> I just jumped in because I saw some post on this newsgroup saying that you
> wanted to homogeneise mailing lists ... I probably misunderstood the intent
> which was maybe only to standardise on the mailing-list names (or rather to
> align with the existing standard :)) ...
Homogenization on naming... My bad... I should have pointed that out :)
> Ok for doing the website but I would have preferred someone who has already
> done it and has everything set up on his machine (I don't and will have to
> learn the mechanism before so it'll take a some time). To summarise, there
> are 2 things to correct: remove the "doc" mailing list and correct the
> commons one.
Well, then I'm in your same set... I've never done it :) :) :)
> Regarding your "quote", I looked for it in my emails ... and couldn't find
> it ... :) I guess I dreamed it...
Guess so :) :) :) Hehehehe
> So I apologise and I owe you a beer. Tell
> me when you are in London and we'll go to the pub someday :-)
Somehow I _live_ there, St. Katherine's Docks, Tower Bridge... Let's meet
sometime :)
> Have a goo weekend
Just got back from Camden with 300 pounds less in my pockets (damn
CyberDog), so the week-end is looking great :)
Pier
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com>
To: <pm...@jakarta.apache.org>; <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
> on 9/8/01 5:26 AM, "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok for doing the website but I would have preferred someone who has
already
> > done it and has everything set up on his machine (I don't and will have
to
> > learn the mechanism before so it'll take a some time). To summarise,
there
> > are 2 things to correct: remove the "doc" mailing list and correct the
> > commons one.
>
> cvs co jakarta-site2
> cd jakarta-site2
> edit xdocs/site/mail2.xml
> ant
> cvs ci
>
> It isn't rocket science.
>
Yep, thanks for the tutorial. I have done the changes. However, I haven't
modified the archiving on mail-archive for Commons as I'm not sure what to
do (and do not have the rights). We probably need to subscribe the new
commons-dev@... to it. Do we need to do something to prevent creating a new
archive (http://www.mail-archive.com/faq.html#duplicate) ?
thanks
-Vincent
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com>
To: <pm...@jakarta.apache.org>; <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
> on 9/8/01 5:26 AM, "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
>
> > Ok for doing the website but I would have preferred someone who has
already
> > done it and has everything set up on his machine (I don't and will have
to
> > learn the mechanism before so it'll take a some time). To summarise,
there
> > are 2 things to correct: remove the "doc" mailing list and correct the
> > commons one.
>
> cvs co jakarta-site2
> cd jakarta-site2
> edit xdocs/site/mail2.xml
> ant
> cvs ci
>
> It isn't rocket science.
>
you forgot the second part (which I had to make up myself ! :) ):
ssh -l xxx jakarta.apache.org
cd /www/jakarta.apache.org/site
cvs update mail2.html
-Vincent
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 9/8/01 5:26 AM, "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
> Ok for doing the website but I would have preferred someone who has already
> done it and has everything set up on his machine (I don't and will have to
> learn the mechanism before so it'll take a some time). To summarise, there
> are 2 things to correct: remove the "doc" mailing list and correct the
> commons one.
cvs co jakarta-site2
cd jakarta-site2
edit xdocs/site/mail2.xml
ant
cvs ci
It isn't rocket science.
-jon
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
Hey, don't take me wrong here .... :-)
I just jumped in because I saw some post on this newsgroup saying that you
wanted to homogeneise mailing lists ... I probably misunderstood the intent
which was maybe only to standardise on the mailing-list names (or rather to
align with the existing standard :)) ...
Ok for doing the website but I would have preferred someone who has already
done it and has everything set up on his machine (I don't and will have to
learn the mechanism before so it'll take a some time). To summarise, there
are 2 things to correct: remove the "doc" mailing list and correct the
commons one.
Regarding your "quote", I looked for it in my emails ... and couldn't find
it ... :) I guess I dreamed it ... So I apologise and I owe you a beer. Tell
me when you are in London and we'll go to the pub someday :-)
Have a goo weekend
Cheers,
-Vincent
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pier Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>
To: <pm...@jakarta.apache.org>; <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 12:44 PM
Subject: Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
> "Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
>
> > I've had a look at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html ...
> >
> > Here are the strange things I found :
> > * Alexandria : no user list (Pier I thought you said ALL projects had
both
> > lists ;-) )
>
> I thought doesn't work... Give me a quote of me saying that, and I'll owe
> you a beer...
>
> > * Avalon : no user list and a strange cvs list (I thought all CVS
messages
> > went to the devlist ?)
>
> Depends on the project...
>
> > * Commons : information not updated
>
> Do it :) I manage EZMLM, someone please kick some code in the website...
>
> > * Jakarta documentation : only a docs@ : no user and dev and a cvs list
...
>
> In fact there was no traffic... I deleted that mailing list yesterday
since
> noone complained...
>
> > * Log4j : a cvs list
>
> They have a CVS list, so what? APR, HTTPD, and many others have a -cvs
list.
> Some of the Jakarta project decided to collapse it with the -dev... Some
> didn't...
>
> > * Velocity a TDK list : Question : do we say that -user and -dev lists
are
> > mandatory and projects are allowed to create additional lists ?
>
> Their list is velocity-tdk-dev... So, (kudos to Jon)
> project-subproject-identifier, in line with our guidelines... As CVS
> trees... Jakarta-project-subproject-subsubproject....
>
> > * Watchdog : no user list
>
> So?
>
> > In summary, there is still some work to be done to homogeneize lists ...
:)
>
> No, there's no work to be done... Apart from a website fix (and I am NOT
> going to do that... Someone else please volunteer): removing docs and
> modifying commons.
>
> If a project don't wont a -user list because they don't feel like having
> reached that point where users do bother on the developer list, I'm not
> going to force them to have one. If a project wants a CVS list because
they
> don't want all -dev traffic mixed with it, that's FINE... As long as we
> agree on the basic naming scheme, I'm fine...
>
> > Who takes charge of changing this ?
>
> You :) At least for the website part... Nothing else need to be done...
>
> Pier
>
>
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Vincent Massol" <vm...@octo.com> wrote:
> I've had a look at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html ...
>
> Here are the strange things I found :
> * Alexandria : no user list (Pier I thought you said ALL projects had both
> lists ;-) )
I thought doesn't work... Give me a quote of me saying that, and I'll owe
you a beer...
> * Avalon : no user list and a strange cvs list (I thought all CVS messages
> went to the devlist ?)
Depends on the project...
> * Commons : information not updated
Do it :) I manage EZMLM, someone please kick some code in the website...
> * Jakarta documentation : only a docs@ : no user and dev and a cvs list ...
In fact there was no traffic... I deleted that mailing list yesterday since
noone complained...
> * Log4j : a cvs list
They have a CVS list, so what? APR, HTTPD, and many others have a -cvs list.
Some of the Jakarta project decided to collapse it with the -dev... Some
didn't...
> * Velocity a TDK list : Question : do we say that -user and -dev lists are
> mandatory and projects are allowed to create additional lists ?
Their list is velocity-tdk-dev... So, (kudos to Jon)
project-subproject-identifier, in line with our guidelines... As CVS
trees... Jakarta-project-subproject-subsubproject....
> * Watchdog : no user list
So?
> In summary, there is still some work to be done to homogeneize lists ... :)
No, there's no work to be done... Apart from a website fix (and I am NOT
going to do that... Someone else please volunteer): removing docs and
modifying commons.
If a project don't wont a -user list because they don't feel like having
reached that point where users do bother on the developer list, I'm not
going to force them to have one. If a project wants a CVS list because they
don't want all -dev traffic mixed with it, that's FINE... As long as we
agree on the basic naming scheme, I'm fine...
> Who takes charge of changing this ?
You :) At least for the website part... Nothing else need to be done...
Pier
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Vincent Massol <vm...@octo.com>.
I've had a look at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail2.html ...
Here are the strange things I found :
* Alexandria : no user list (Pier I thought you said ALL projects had both
lists ;-) )
* Avalon : no user list and a strange cvs list (I thought all CVS messages
went to the devlist ?)
* Commons : information not updated
* Jakarta documentation : only a docs@ : no user and dev and a cvs list ...
* Log4j : a cvs list
* Velocity a TDK list : Question : do we say that -user and -dev lists are
mandatory and projects are allowed to create additional lists ?
* Watchdog : no user list
In summary, there is still some work to be done to homogeneize lists ... :)
Who takes charge of changing this ?
Thanks
-Vincent
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From: "Pier Fumagalli" <pi...@betaversion.org>
To: "Brian Behlendorf" <br...@collab.net>; "Ted Husted" <hu...@apache.org>
Cc: <pm...@jakarta.apache.org>; <ge...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 3:53 AM
Subject: Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
> "Brian Behlendorf" <br...@collab.net> wrote:
>
> >> Lists to moderate:
> >> - slide-dev (Remy)
> >> - slide-user (Remy)
> >
> > Email address? Er, I'll let you deal with it.
>
> remy@betaversion.org :) He's one of my fellow bandwidth stealers :)
> (I contacted him and he agreed, in exchange for WebMail on
betaversion.org.
> Done - apart from webmail!)
>
> >> Lists to nuke:
> >> - check-dev
> >> - docs
> >> - josper-dev
> >
> > I'll let you do these.
>
> Done...
>
> >> Lists to rename:
> >> - jakarta-commons (commons-dev)
>
> Renamed... (or better, created new mailing list, moved all regular and
> digest subscribers, posted a couple of test messages to see that
everything
> was working right and removed the old list - leaving the post address to
be
> an alias to the new mailing list!)
>
> >> - cactus-user (commons-user or commons-cactus-user)
> >> - servletapi-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
> >> - watchdog-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
> >
> > I'll let you do these.
>
> I'm waiting for feedback on those...
>
> Pier
>
>
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Pier Fumagalli <pi...@betaversion.org>.
"Brian Behlendorf" <br...@collab.net> wrote:
>> Lists to moderate:
>> - slide-dev (Remy)
>> - slide-user (Remy)
>
> Email address? Er, I'll let you deal with it.
remy@betaversion.org :) He's one of my fellow bandwidth stealers :)
(I contacted him and he agreed, in exchange for WebMail on betaversion.org.
Done - apart from webmail!)
>> Lists to nuke:
>> - check-dev
>> - docs
>> - josper-dev
>
> I'll let you do these.
Done...
>> Lists to rename:
>> - jakarta-commons (commons-dev)
Renamed... (or better, created new mailing list, moved all regular and
digest subscribers, posted a couple of test messages to see that everything
was working right and removed the old list - leaving the post address to be
an alias to the new mailing list!)
>> - cactus-user (commons-user or commons-cactus-user)
>> - servletapi-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
>> - watchdog-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
>
> I'll let you do these.
I'm waiting for feedback on those...
Pier
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Brian Behlendorf <br...@collab.net>.
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > Currently, the following lists have -MU set, and really should be
> > reconsidered:
> >
> > bugs
>
> Hmmm... This is unused... I would suggest converting it to an alias to
> bugzilla@apache.org
Done.
> > jakarta-commons (which should be renamed to "commons", btw)
>
> commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org, to be exact... I can go ahead and do the
> conversion of the actual ML, and put jakarta-commons@jakarta.apache.org as
> an alias for that list...
Please do.
> > library-dev
>
> There's no whatsoever traffic on that list... I don't know what's it all
> about even IF I am listed as the owner of it... Either someone claims its
> usefulness (only spam received on that list since months), or I'll just
> remove it.
Done.
> > The following lists are set to -mU, which means all messages are
> > moderated:
> >
> > announcements
>
> That should stay as-is...
Yes.
> > taglibs-user (this I don't understand)
>
> I'm going to change this one to be -mu...
Cool.
> Lists to moderate:
> - slide-dev (Remy)
> - slide-user (Remy)
Email address? Er, I'll let you deal with it.
> Lists to nuke:
> - bugs
> - library-dev
Done
> - check-dev
> - docs
> - josper-dev
I'll let you do these.
> Lists to rename:
> - jakarta-commons (commons-dev)
> - cactus-user (commons-user or commons-cactus-user)
> - servletapi-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
> - watchdog-dev (collapse into tomcat-dev)
I'll let you do these.
> Lists to modify (-mu instead of -mU):
> - taglibs-user (Get me off moderation for this one please!)
Done.
On Thu, 6 Sep 2001, Ted Husted wrote:
> > > > struts-dev
> > > struts-user
> >
> > Moderator for those two should be Craig :)
>
> Or me. Craig keeps pretty busy with Tomcat these days ;-)
Done.
> >
> > > taglibs-dev
> >
> > And for this one too (Craig? :)
>
> Or me. I'm the PMC contact.
Done.
Brian
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Re: lists that don't require subscriber approval
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > library-dev
>
> There's no whatsoever traffic on that list... I don't know what's it all
> about even IF I am listed as the owner of it... Either someone claims its
> usefulness (only spam received on that list since months), or I'll just
> remove it.
Go ahead and remove it. It was the precursor to the commons-dev list,
and now obsolete.
> > struts-dev
> > struts-user
>
> Moderator for those two should be Craig :)
Or me. Craig keeps pretty busy with Tomcat these days ;-)
>
> > taglibs-dev
>
> And for this one too (Craig? :)
Or me. I'm the PMC contact.
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