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Posted to legal-discuss@apache.org by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com> on 2012/03/10 19:19:53 UTC
GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
Hello,
in Apache Camel we are in a discussion whether or not it's possible to use
(and in which way) GNU-AGPL-3.0 licensed software (MongoDB in particular).
I couldn't find any information about this license in [1]. It's may also
helpful for other projects to list this license at [1].
You can find the MongoDB license at [2], [3] and [4]. As you can see, it's
a mixed GNU-AGPL-3.0 and ASL-2.0 license.
[1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
[2] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/README
[3] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/GNU-AGPL-3.0.txt
[4] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/APACHE-2.0.txt
Thanks in advance for your help,
Christian
Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@intertwingly.net>.
On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com> wrote:
> AGLP-3.0 would go under Category X and is covered by the GNU GPL bullet. (We
> may need to spell it out explicitly as the link [5] on the 3party page [1]
> only points to gpl 2.0 and 3.0, while affero [6] is slightly different, i.e.
> even more restrictive).
>
> [5] http://opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php
> [6] http://opensource.org/licenses/AGPL-3.0
It's there -- you may have missed it as it uses a different but equivalent link:
<li><a href="http://www.opensource.org/licenses/agpl-v3.html">Affero
GPL 3</a></li>
> Hadrian
- Sam Ruby
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Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
Posted by Hadrian Zbarcea <hz...@gmail.com>.
AGLP-3.0 would go under Category X and is covered by the GNU GPL bullet.
(We may need to spell it out explicitly as the link [5] on the 3party
page [1] only points to gpl 2.0 and 3.0, while affero [6] is slightly
different, i.e. even more restrictive).
[5] http://opensource.org/licenses/gpl-license.php
[6] http://opensource.org/licenses/AGPL-3.0
Hadrian
On 03/10/2012 01:19 PM, Christian Müllerwrote:
> Hello,
>
> in Apache Camel we are in a discussion whether or not it's possible to use
> (and in which way) GNU-AGPL-3.0 licensed software (MongoDB in particular).
>
> I couldn't find any information about this license in [1]. It's may also
> helpful for other projects to list this license at [1].
>
> You can find the MongoDB license at [2], [3] and [4]. As you can see, it's
> a mixed GNU-AGPL-3.0 and ASL-2.0 license.
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
> [2] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/README
> [3] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/GNU-AGPL-3.0.txt
> [4] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/APACHE-2.0.txt
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> Christian
>
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Hadrian Zbarcea
Principal Software Architect
Talend, Inc
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Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
Thank you Rob for the clarification!
Best,
Christian
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christian Müller
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > in Apache Camel we are in a discussion whether or not it's possible to
> use
> > (and in which way) GNU-AGPL-3.0 licensed software (MongoDB in
> particular).
> >
> > I couldn't find any information about this license in [1]. It's may also
> > helpful for other projects to list this license at [1].
> >
>
> You want to be looking at the most-recent version of that policy:
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
> At that page, AGPL is listed as category-x.
>
> -Rob
>
> > You can find the MongoDB license at [2], [3] and [4]. As you can see,
> it's a
> > mixed GNU-AGPL-3.0 and ASL-2.0 license.
> >
> > [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
> > [2] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/README
> > [3] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/GNU-AGPL-3.0.txt
> > [4] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/APACHE-2.0.txt
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help,
> > Christian
>
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Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
Hi Mark,
yes this is exactly the use case. Thank you for the clarification.
Best,
Christian
On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de> wrote:
> Hi Christian!
>
> As far as I've understood your situation this is similar to using MySQL
> via a JDBC driver for unit testing, right?
>
>
> If this is only an optional runtime dependency for running a test and all
> linked libraries have licenses which are fine for us, then I see no problem.
> Usually it's a good idea to only run this module conditionally, e.g. via a
> maven profile.
> Otherwise you would force all users to have a MongoDB installation.
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
> >________________________________
> > From: Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
> >To: legal-discuss@apache.org
> >Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:24 PM
> >Subject: Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
> >
> >
> >Hello Rob,
> >
> >one more question coming into my head:
> >Can we use a category X licensed product in our project if we do not
> "include it into our product"?
> >
> >In particular: Can we use MongoDB (AGPL) to run unit test for one of our
> components against this instance? The component itself (camel-mongodb) only
> has a dependency to to the mongodb java driver which is licensed under ASL
> 2.0.
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Christian
> >
> >
> >On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christian Müller
> >><ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> in Apache Camel we are in a discussion whether or not it's possible to
> use
> >>> (and in which way) GNU-AGPL-3.0 licensed software (MongoDB in
> particular).
> >>>
> >>> I couldn't find any information about this license in [1]. It's may
> also
> >>> helpful for other projects to list this license at [1].
> >>>
> >>
> >>You want to be looking at the most-recent version of that policy:
> >>
> >>http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
> >>
> >>At that page, AGPL is listed as category-x.
> >>
> >>-Rob
> >>
> >>
> >>> You can find the MongoDB license at [2], [3] and [4]. As you can see,
> it's a
> >>> mixed GNU-AGPL-3.0 and ASL-2.0 license.
> >>>
> >>> [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
> >>> [2] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/README
> >>> [3] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/GNU-AGPL-3.0.txt
> >>> [4] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/APACHE-2.0.txt
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance for your help,
> >>> Christian
> >>
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> >
> >
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Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
Posted by Mark Struberg <st...@yahoo.de>.
Hi Christian!
As far as I've understood your situation this is similar to using MySQL via a JDBC driver for unit testing, right?
If this is only an optional runtime dependency for running a test and all linked libraries have licenses which are fine for us, then I see no problem.
Usually it's a good idea to only run this module conditionally, e.g. via a maven profile.
Otherwise you would force all users to have a MongoDB installation.
LieGrue,
strub
>________________________________
> From: Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>
>To: legal-discuss@apache.org
>Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 12:24 PM
>Subject: Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
>
>
>Hello Rob,
>
>one more question coming into my head:
>Can we use a category X licensed product in our project if we do not "include it into our product"?
>
>In particular: Can we use MongoDB (AGPL) to run unit test for one of our components against this instance? The component itself (camel-mongodb) only has a dependency to to the mongodb java driver which is licensed under ASL 2.0.
>
>Thanks,
>Christian
>
>
>On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christian Müller
>><ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> in Apache Camel we are in a discussion whether or not it's possible to use
>>> (and in which way) GNU-AGPL-3.0 licensed software (MongoDB in particular).
>>>
>>> I couldn't find any information about this license in [1]. It's may also
>>> helpful for other projects to list this license at [1].
>>>
>>
>>You want to be looking at the most-recent version of that policy:
>>
>>http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>>
>>At that page, AGPL is listed as category-x.
>>
>>-Rob
>>
>>
>>> You can find the MongoDB license at [2], [3] and [4]. As you can see, it's a
>>> mixed GNU-AGPL-3.0 and ASL-2.0 license.
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
>>> [2] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/README
>>> [3] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/GNU-AGPL-3.0.txt
>>> [4] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/APACHE-2.0.txt
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for your help,
>>> Christian
>>
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Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
Posted by Christian Müller <ch...@gmail.com>.
Hello Rob,
one more question coming into my head:
Can we use a category X licensed product in our project if we do not
"include it into our product"?
In particular: Can we use MongoDB (AGPL) to run unit test for one of our
components against this instance? The component itself (camel-mongodb) only
has a dependency to to the mongodb java driver which is licensed under ASL
2.0.
Thanks,
Christian
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 11:51 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christian Müller
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > in Apache Camel we are in a discussion whether or not it's possible to
> use
> > (and in which way) GNU-AGPL-3.0 licensed software (MongoDB in
> particular).
> >
> > I couldn't find any information about this license in [1]. It's may also
> > helpful for other projects to list this license at [1].
> >
>
> You want to be looking at the most-recent version of that policy:
>
> http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
>
> At that page, AGPL is listed as category-x.
>
> -Rob
>
> > You can find the MongoDB license at [2], [3] and [4]. As you can see,
> it's a
> > mixed GNU-AGPL-3.0 and ASL-2.0 license.
> >
> > [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
> > [2] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/README
> > [3] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/GNU-AGPL-3.0.txt
> > [4] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/APACHE-2.0.txt
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your help,
> > Christian
>
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Re: GNU-AGPL-3.0 license
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christian Müller
<ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> in Apache Camel we are in a discussion whether or not it's possible to use
> (and in which way) GNU-AGPL-3.0 licensed software (MongoDB in particular).
>
> I couldn't find any information about this license in [1]. It's may also
> helpful for other projects to list this license at [1].
>
You want to be looking at the most-recent version of that policy:
http://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
At that page, AGPL is listed as category-x.
-Rob
> You can find the MongoDB license at [2], [3] and [4]. As you can see, it's a
> mixed GNU-AGPL-3.0 and ASL-2.0 license.
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/legal/3party.html
> [2] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/README
> [3] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/GNU-AGPL-3.0.txt
> [4] https://github.com/mongodb/mongo/blob/master/APACHE-2.0.txt
>
> Thanks in advance for your help,
> Christian
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