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Posted to user@velocity.apache.org by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com> on 2000/10/20 02:26:06 UTC
Re: Patch: eliminating requirement of an external .properties
file.
on 10/19/2000 3:18 PM, "Brian Goetz" <br...@quiotix.com> wrote:
> * Copyright (c) 2000, Quiotix Corporation
> * All rights reserved.
> *
Sorry, we can't accept this. It must be copyright to the ASF.
-jon
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Re: Patch: eliminating requirement of an external .propertiesfile.
Posted by Kasper Nielsen <ne...@kav.dk>.
what the difference compared to lets say org.apache.velocity.io.fastwriter?
- Kasper
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From: "Jon Stevens" <jo...@latchkey.com>
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Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 2:26 AM
Subject: Re: Patch: eliminating requirement of an external .propertiesfile.
> on 10/19/2000 3:18 PM, "Brian Goetz" <br...@quiotix.com> wrote:
>
> > * Copyright (c) 2000, Quiotix Corporation
> > * All rights reserved.
> > *
>
> Sorry, we can't accept this. It must be copyright to the ASF.
>
> -jon
>
Re: Patch: eliminating requirement of an external .properties
file.
Posted by Brian Goetz <br...@quiotix.com>.
>Sigh, that is what I said in the first place. Let me quote again:
>
>"It must be copyright to the ASF."
I think its pretty clear that
License
... or contain a copyright and license that allows redistribution under the
same conditions as the Apache License.
doesn't require it be copyrighted to ASF. In fact, the existence of this
alternate clause suggests that ASF envisions contribution of any
compatibly-licensed code to Apache projects.
It says ALLOWS REDISTRIBUTION UNDER THE SAME CONDITIONS, which is not the
same as "must be identical to." This is to say, it cannot place additional
conditions on the redistribution. It may contain fewer conditions, such as
code placed into the public domain. Or a license that is identical to the
Apache license, except with a copyright to another source, and eliminating
paragraphs 2 and 3 (so as not to place an additional notice requirement)
should be enough.
>However, it will still be up to someone to actually check the code in *as
>well as integrate it into the system*. If no one picks up that ball, then
>don't expect to see it show up because you simply copy/pasted a bunch of
>code, you didn't actually integrate it.
Of course.
I offered some useful code, which addressed an issue that has been brought
up on the list. If you want to use it, that's fine, that's why I posted
it. If you don't want to use it, I won't be offended.
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Brian Goetz
Quiotix Corporation
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http://www.quiotix.com
Re: Patch: eliminating requirement of an external .properties
file.
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 10/19/2000 5:59 PM, "Brian Goetz" <br...@quiotix.com> wrote:
> I just checked. I don't think you are correct.
Huh? Keep reading...
> My reading of the second clause ("or contains...") is that, if I took the
> Apache license, substituted "Copyright Quiotix" for "Copyright Apache", and
> contributed it, that would make it acceptable. I am willing to do this.
Sigh, that is what I said in the first place. Let me quote again:
"It must be copyright to the ASF."
> Jon, is there any other reason why you don't want me to contribute this
> code to the project?
Wow, I feel like I'm repeating myself. I already specified the reasons for
not accepting it.
However, it will still be up to someone to actually check the code in *as
well as integrate it into the system*. If no one picks up that ball, then
don't expect to see it show up because you simply copy/pasted a bunch of
code, you didn't actually integrate it.
-jon
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Re: Patch: eliminating requirement of an external .properties
file.
Posted by Brian Goetz <br...@quiotix.com>.
>Sorry, we can't accept this. It must be copyright to the ASF.
...
>I'm not making up the rules here, I'm just following them. If you have a
>problem with that, then feel free to bring it up with board@apache.org or
>members@apache.org.
I just checked. I don't think you are correct.
At http://jakarta.apache.org/guidelines/source.html, which claims to be the
governing rules for code ownership in Jakarta projects, it says:
License
All source code committed to the Project's repositories must be covered by
the Apache License or contain a copyright and license that allows
redistribution under the same conditions as the Apache License.
My reading of the second clause ("or contains...") is that, if I took the
Apache license, substituted "Copyright Quiotix" for "Copyright Apache", and
contributed it, that would make it acceptable. I am willing to do this.
Jon, is there any other reason why you don't want me to contribute this
code to the project?
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Brian Goetz
Quiotix Corporation
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http://www.quiotix.com
Re: Patch: eliminating requirement of an external .properties
file.
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 10/19/2000 5:41 PM, "Brian Goetz" <br...@quiotix.com> wrote:
> Does anyone else find it odd that using the ASF license is not sufficient
> to contribute code to an ASF project?
Hi Brian,
It doesn't matter. The ASF needs to be the sole owner of the code that is
donated to the ASF. There is a BIG difference between code used as a library
and code that is donated.
I'm not making up the rules here, I'm just following them. If you have a
problem with that, then feel free to bring it up with board@apache.org or
members@apache.org.
thanks,
-jon
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Re: Patch: eliminating requirement of an external .properties
file.
Posted by Brian Goetz <br...@quiotix.com>.
>Sorry, we can't accept this. It must be copyright to the ASF.
Does anyone else find it odd that using the ASF license is not sufficient
to contribute code to an ASF project?
--
Brian Goetz
Quiotix Corporation
brian@quiotix.com Tel: 650-843-1300 Fax: 650-324-8032
http://www.quiotix.com