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Best Linux distribution
Hi!
In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost.
Thanks
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Steve Ochani <oc...@ncc.edu>.
> Hi!
>
> In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
> an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
>
> An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost.
CentOS, it's a clone of Redhat Enterprise Linux.
Install jdk/jre and tomcat yourself.
-Steve O.
>
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Stanczak Group <ju...@stanczakgroup.com>.
Mark H. Wood wrote:
> Yes, before anyone can tell you which is best, you need to work out
> for yourself, and tell us, what makes a distro "best". Do you want to
> just pour it into a machine and have everything done for you?
Yes
> Do you
> chafe at the very notion that someone could know your needs better
> than you?
No
> Do you need someone to talk to when things go wrong?
Yes
> to sue
> when the answers don't satisfy?
For sure, that's a yes.
> Do you have uncommon hardware to
> support?
Only on Saturday.
> Will your hardware vendor return your calls if you don't use
> his preferred distro?
No
> do you care?
>
Yes
> I've run Red Hat, Debian, Suse, and Gentoo, and I'll take Gentoo any
> day, but I'm a very hands-on, tweak-the-last-cycle-out,
> do-it-with-a-text-editor-or-don't-do-it sort of sysadmin. There are
> good reasons to choose any of those, or others, and you have to decide
> which reasons are yours.
>
A Conary based distro is always best. All others a second. :)
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by "Mark H. Wood" <mw...@IUPUI.Edu>.
Yes, before anyone can tell you which is best, you need to work out
for yourself, and tell us, what makes a distro "best". Do you want to
just pour it into a machine and have everything done for you? Do you
chafe at the very notion that someone could know your needs better
than you? Do you need someone to talk to when things go wrong? to sue
when the answers don't satisfy? Do you have uncommon hardware to
support? Will your hardware vendor return your calls if you don't use
his preferred distro? do you care?
I've run Red Hat, Debian, Suse, and Gentoo, and I'll take Gentoo any
day, but I'm a very hands-on, tweak-the-last-cycle-out,
do-it-with-a-text-editor-or-don't-do-it sort of sysadmin. There are
good reasons to choose any of those, or others, and you have to decide
which reasons are yours.
--
Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mwood@IUPUI.Edu
Typically when a software vendor says that a product is "intuitive" he
means the exact opposite.
Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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Andrew,
Andrew Hole wrote:
> In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
> an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
>
> An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost.
Do you need corporate support? If that's the case, then you should be
looking at the quality of the support, since most Linux distros are
equally stable, reliable, etc.
I personally like Gentoo Linux due to its infinite configurability and
package manager. It would probably irritate lots of people since they
tend to have updates /very/ frequently and (in standard configuration)
everything needs to be compiled for the target machine each time -- you
do not typically download binary packages.
A friend of mine who works for the US Library of Congress recently
implemented Ubuntu on their servers after switching from Gentoo. They
preferred the binary packages and reduced update traffic. I'm not
entirely sure why they picked Ubuntu (which targets desktop users) over
Debian, but I think that Ubuntu might have a lot of customizations that
improve deployment.
I know that, personally, I would like the opportunity to kick everyone
on the apt team in the nuts because that package manager makes my brain
turn inside out. :)
- -chris
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Re: [OT] "Ooh, shiny!" (was RE: Best Linux distribution)
Posted by Lyallex <ly...@gmail.com>.
> Unfortunately too many IT teams that I've encountered tend towards the "Ooh, shiny new toy!" and "My server's newer than your server" views of the world.
Heh heh, shiny new toy syndrome, where would the 'IT business' be without it.
comp.lang.java.programmer has some really bilious postings from people
who get REALLY upset if you even mention older releases of Java ...
can't see why really, maybe it's all a conspiracy to keep the
consultants in business.
... now where did I put my Dr Logo manual.
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[OT] "Ooh, shiny!" (was RE: Best Linux distribution)
Posted by Peter Crowther <Pe...@melandra.com>.
> From: Warren Pace [mailto:warren.pace@gmail.com]
> Point taken. We ran a Vax until last year...
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 10:52 AM, Steve Ochani <oc...@ncc.edu> wrote:
> > If everyone based their decisions solely on that criteria
> > we would be all using pdp-11s.
[...]
I think some companies are rather gung-ho about upgrading to the shiniest new kit (and OS) at every opportunity. There's a line to tread between leaving upgrades so long that you can't maintain the system, and upgrading so regularly that there's constant churn and disruption.
Unfortunately too many IT teams that I've encountered tend towards the "Ooh, shiny new toy!" and "My server's newer than your server" views of the world.
- Peter
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Warren Pace <wa...@gmail.com>.
Point taken. We ran a Vax until last year...
On Nov 15, 2007 10:52 AM, Steve Ochani <oc...@ncc.edu> wrote:
> If everyone based their decisions solely on that criteria we would be all using pdp-11s.
>
>
>
> On 15 Nov 2007 at 6:19, Warren Pace wrote:
>
>
> > And that is the correct answer.
> >
> > On Nov 15, 2007 5:54 AM, Peter Crowther
> > <Pe...@melandra.com> wrote:
> > > > From: Andrew Hole [mailto:andremailinglist@gmail.com]
> > > > In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server
> > with
> > > > an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
> > >
> > > The one with which your organisation already has experience.
> > Familiarity and ease of admin is king here.
> > >
> > > - Peter
> > >
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Steve Ochani <oc...@ncc.edu>.
If everyone based their decisions solely on that criteria we would be all using pdp-11s.
On 15 Nov 2007 at 6:19, Warren Pace wrote:
> And that is the correct answer.
>
> On Nov 15, 2007 5:54 AM, Peter Crowther
> <Pe...@melandra.com> wrote:
> > > From: Andrew Hole [mailto:andremailinglist@gmail.com]
> > > In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server
> with
> > > an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
> >
> > The one with which your organisation already has experience.
> Familiarity and ease of admin is king here.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by tomcat <tc...@1bigthink.com>.
Agreed!
At 06:19 AM 11/15/2007, you wrote:
>And that is the correct answer.
>
>On Nov 15, 2007 5:54 AM, Peter Crowther <Pe...@melandra.com> wrote:
> > > From: Andrew Hole [mailto:andremailinglist@gmail.com]
> > > In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
> > > an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
> >
> > The one with which your organisation already has
> experience. Familiarity and ease of admin is king here.
> >
> > - Peter
> >
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Warren Pace <wa...@gmail.com>.
And that is the correct answer.
On Nov 15, 2007 5:54 AM, Peter Crowther <Pe...@melandra.com> wrote:
> > From: Andrew Hole [mailto:andremailinglist@gmail.com]
> > In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
> > an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
>
> The one with which your organisation already has experience. Familiarity and ease of admin is king here.
>
> - Peter
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RE: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Peter Crowther <Pe...@melandra.com>.
> From: Andrew Hole [mailto:andremailinglist@gmail.com]
> In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
> an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
The one with which your organisation already has experience. Familiarity and ease of admin is king here.
- Peter
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Partha Goswami <pa...@gmail.com>.
go for Open Solaris.. www.opensolaris.org
Thanks
On Nov 14, 2007 11:18 PM, Andrew Hole <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
> an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
>
> An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost.
>
> Thanks
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Lionel Crine <lc...@linagora.com>.
Hi Steve,
CentOs had troubles with Dell blade video card and ACPI functions.
Sorry, I can't be more precise because it was quite a time ago.
Maybe, the problem was around dell server...isn't it!!
Steve Ochani wrote:
> On 14 Nov 2007 at 22:58, Lionel Crine wrote:
>
>
>> another distribution to know. You have some support. Fedora : Well,
>> stable, recent packages CentOS : too many bugs when I was using it (1
>> year ago).
>
> You must be mixing up Fedora and CentOS. CentOS has always been rock solid stable, it's a
> recompile of Redhat Enterprise Linux. Fedora is a bleeding edge new distro that is not
> intended for production servers and is often plagued by instability issues, like Fedora 7 was.
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Last thing, this informations are important only if you are "root" and
>> have to manage distributions. If not, you don't care.
>>
>> Bye
>> Lionel
>>
>> Andrew Hole wrote:
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server
>>> with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
>>>
>>> An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost.
>>>
>>> Thanks
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Edward Dowgiallo <ed...@gmail.com>.
I believe Oracle Corporation has an Oracle Enterprise Linux which you
can download for free. They charge you for support however.
Ed
On 11/14/07, Steve Ochani <oc...@ncc.edu> wrote:
> On 14 Nov 2007 at 22:58, Lionel Crine wrote:
>
>
> > another distribution to know. You have some support. Fedora : Well,
> > stable, recent packages CentOS : too many bugs when I was using it (1
> > year ago).
>
> You must be mixing up Fedora and CentOS. CentOS has always been rock solid
> stable, it's a
> recompile of Redhat Enterprise Linux. Fedora is a bleeding edge new distro
> that is not
> intended for production servers and is often plagued by instability issues,
> like Fedora 7 was.
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Last thing, this informations are important only if you are "root" and
> > have to manage distributions. If not, you don't care.
> >
> > Bye
> > Lionel
> >
> > Andrew Hole wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server
> > > with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
> > >
> > > An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost.
> > >
> > > Thanks
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Steve Ochani <oc...@ncc.edu>.
On 14 Nov 2007 at 22:58, Lionel Crine wrote:
> another distribution to know. You have some support. Fedora : Well,
> stable, recent packages CentOS : too many bugs when I was using it (1
> year ago).
You must be mixing up Fedora and CentOS. CentOS has always been rock solid stable, it's a
recompile of Redhat Enterprise Linux. Fedora is a bleeding edge new distro that is not
intended for production servers and is often plagued by instability issues, like Fedora 7 was.
>
>
> Last thing, this informations are important only if you are "root" and
> have to manage distributions. If not, you don't care.
>
> Bye
> Lionel
>
> Andrew Hole wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server
> > with an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
> >
> > An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost.
> >
> > Thanks
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Lionel Crine <lc...@linagora.com>.
Like everyone in here, it depends on what you want to do with your Linux
It doesn't matter in which distribution you are running Tomcat and J2EE
application.
But I surely assure you that you shoudn't use tomcat or java packages
from any distribution if you want best customization.
My opinion :
I was in a company ans we were using Debian, RedHat, Suse, CentOS.
Companies prefers Redhat because of the support. Packages are not so "up
to date". Easy to find suitable rpm.
Debian is really stable but no support and old packages unless you use
the testing one. Easy to find deb files.
Suse, hum, what can I say. YAST is great but it's another distribution
to know. You have some support.
Fedora : Well, stable, recent packages
CentOS : too many bugs when I was using it (1 year ago).
Last thing, this informations are important only if you are "root" and
have to manage distributions.
If not, you don't care.
Bye
Lionel
Andrew Hole wrote:
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> In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
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>
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>
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Stanczak Group <ju...@stanczakgroup.com>.
I'm just being antagonistic. Really I used to use Gentoo, Ubuntu, etc,
etc, but we use RHEL for some servers. I liked Gentoo for the
customization, but I've been using Foresight for a while now and I'm
really liking it. It gives you the ability to customize and compile as
well. I have a Solaris as well. I'm setting up a rPath system soon.
John Moore wrote:
> Sure to be a dicey question to raise in a public forum. Mostly, I find,
> it comes to personal preference of what and how you like to manage your
> servers and apps. We use RHEL for servers running applications covered
> by service contracts. For everything else (web, applications,
> development, db, cvs servers) we use CentOS since it's RHEL based and
> the environment remains consistent. This simplifies ongoing
> maintenance. We started back with RH 6 and evolved from there. We
> install bare minimum set of packages, turn off all of the junk you don't
> need, then install java, build apache, install tomcat, build modules and
> our apps from there.
>
> We have staff that loves Debian; they say it's the only real
> distribution. We tested our webapps on it and didn't see a difference
> in performance. We even have one guy who insists on building his own
> kernels to strip out all of the parts he doesn't need. I don't get it,
> but it floats his boat.
>
> Figure out what features of a distribution are important to you, find
> ones that best meet your criteria and see how they work for you;
> everything else is meaningless. If you just want to drop your war into
> an environment, maybe one of the appliance distributions fits your
> needs.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Caldarale, Charles R [mailto:Chuck.Caldarale@unisys.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:19 PM
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> Subject: RE: Best Linux distribution
>
>
>> From: Stanczak Group [mailto:justin@stanczakgroup.com]
>> Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution
>>
>> Hands down this is the best. :)
>> http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/ta/
>>
>
> Yup, just what everyone needs - another out-of-date, repackaged version
> of Tomcat...
>
> - Chuck
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RE: Best Linux distribution
Posted by John Moore <Jo...@pdsi-software.com>.
Sure to be a dicey question to raise in a public forum. Mostly, I find,
it comes to personal preference of what and how you like to manage your
servers and apps. We use RHEL for servers running applications covered
by service contracts. For everything else (web, applications,
development, db, cvs servers) we use CentOS since it's RHEL based and
the environment remains consistent. This simplifies ongoing
maintenance. We started back with RH 6 and evolved from there. We
install bare minimum set of packages, turn off all of the junk you don't
need, then install java, build apache, install tomcat, build modules and
our apps from there.
We have staff that loves Debian; they say it's the only real
distribution. We tested our webapps on it and didn't see a difference
in performance. We even have one guy who insists on building his own
kernels to strip out all of the parts he doesn't need. I don't get it,
but it floats his boat.
Figure out what features of a distribution are important to you, find
ones that best meet your criteria and see how they work for you;
everything else is meaningless. If you just want to drop your war into
an environment, maybe one of the appliance distributions fits your
needs.
John
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From: Caldarale, Charles R [mailto:Chuck.Caldarale@unisys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Best Linux distribution
> From: Stanczak Group [mailto:justin@stanczakgroup.com]
> Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution
>
> Hands down this is the best. :)
> http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/ta/
Yup, just what everyone needs - another out-of-date, repackaged version
of Tomcat...
- Chuck
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
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To whom it may concer,
Stanczak Group wrote:
> Repackaged
Unclear from the documentation. Unclear from the inside of the VM, too.
Nice that it's installed into /usr/lib. Oh, wait, that's not nice at all.
> out-of-date
Clear from the documentation: 4 releases behind (ships with 6.0.10,
latest is 6.0.14).
> , no no no. Not with Conary.
Best part of this "appliance":
Tomcat Appliance 1.0 [web site advertises both v1.3 and v6.0.10: 1.0?]
Powered by rPath Linux
To administer this appliance, please use a web browser
from another system to navigate to
https://[DHCP IP Address]:8003/
To access Apache Tomcat, please use a web browser
from another system to navigate to
http://[DHCP IP Address]:8080/
The default system login is 'root' with no password.
localhost login: root
Last login: [whatever]
[attempted to hit port 8080, connection refused]
# cat /var/log/tomcat/catalina.out
Error occurred during initialization of VM:
java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang.Object
Checkmate!
:(
rm -rf ta-1.3.1-x86
- -chris
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Stanczak Group <ju...@stanczakgroup.com>.
Repackaged, out-of-date, no no no. Not with Conary.
Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
>> From: Stanczak Group [mailto:justin@stanczakgroup.com]
>> Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution
>>
>> Hands down this is the best. :)
>> http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/ta/
>>
>
> Yup, just what everyone needs - another out-of-date, repackaged version
> of Tomcat...
>
> - Chuck
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RE: Best Linux distribution
Posted by "Caldarale, Charles R" <Ch...@unisys.com>.
> From: Stanczak Group [mailto:justin@stanczakgroup.com]
> Subject: Re: Best Linux distribution
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> Hands down this is the best. :)
> http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/ta/
Yup, just what everyone needs - another out-of-date, repackaged version
of Tomcat...
- Chuck
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Re: Best Linux distribution
Posted by Stanczak Group <ju...@stanczakgroup.com>.
Hands down this is the best. :)
http://www.rpath.org/rbuilder/project/ta/
Andrew Hole wrote:
> Hi!
>
> In your opinion what is the best LINUX distribution for a server with
> an instance of Tomcat and an J2EE application of medium load?
>
> An opinion taking as a basis the performance and cost.
>
> Thanks
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