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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com> on 2009/02/08 09:53:16 UTC
A new "Hello World!" example
Hi all,
you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!"
tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to setup
the layout of a new component.
I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful:
writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of writing
"Hello World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
Cheers,
Jacopo
Re: A new "Hello World!" example
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
Jacques,
why you say "Not having the Confluence export available (is that
true?) should not be a reason."
I have done the export of the ENDUSER space in HTML several times.
It works and you can easily get a static HTML local copy of it
-Bruno
2009/2/8 Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>:
> Hi Jacopo, All,
>
> Looks great : simple! And the way you presented things look more like
> documentations of other reputed Apache TLP Projects (Geronimo, ServiceMix,
> etc.)
> I think we still have an effort to do in order to present things in Wiki
> like if OFBiz was an easy thing to play with (wich is false but that's
> marketing, isn'it ? ;o)
> We should try to put more effort in documentation : removing old stuffes,
> simplyfing, *ordering*. Look for instance at ServiceMix
> http://servicemix.apache.org
> It looks very easy to use, isn'it (after reading a couple of pages it's the
> impression I got) ? And we know it's not!
> What we need most is efforts coordination, to try to put something like
> these other projects in place (a sort of book with ordered, easy to find,
> pages)
> Our documentation looks terrible in comparaison http://docs.ofbiz.org or
> even http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBENDUSER
> How could we achieve it ? Not having the Confluence export available (is
> that true?) should not be a reason.
> We have already discussed about that, and if I recall correctly the last
> option was to use our own dog food. But is that possible ? Shall we really
> able to achieve this in a reasonable time duration ?
>
> Also Bruno is proposing something very interesting about help
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133
>
> Thanks to have read me so far, waiting for your opinions :o)
>
> Jacques
> PS : I intentionnaly don't post this in user ML, I don't expect much from
> users at this stage...
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>
>> Ooops, sorry, here is the link:
>>
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/~jacopoc/Hello+World%21
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!"
>>> tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to setup the
>>> layout of a new component.
>>> I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful:
>>> writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of writing "Hello
>>> World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: A new "Hello World!" example
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "David E Jones" <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> On Feb 8, 2009, at 4:36 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> 1) Drupal is a true CMS, OFBiz is only a kind of documents managment system. I guess it would be much more difficult to achieve
>> the same result, no speaking about maintening it...
>
> If you looked a little deeper you'd find this isn't quite true. There are quite a few things in place already and something to
> maintain documentation and replace Confluence wouldn't be too difficult, and would be far more integrated with other things like
> project management for smoother and more consistent UI flow.
OK, I must admit I have not yet a complete knowledged of OFBiz CMS.
As I trust you, I guess it should be the way to go then. Especially if we are able to easier/better coordinate efforts using the
project manager though I don't see how practically it could be used. Of course my lack of use of the project manager is also the
reson I guess..
Some things to learn before beginning hence.
Jacques
> -David
>
>
>> 2) This is contradictory with your proposition in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133 . If we switch from Confluence
>> to OFBiz CMS, how will you achieve your proposition there ?
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Bruno Busco" <br...@gmail.com>
>>> An example of a self-hosting documentation:
>>> http://drupal.org/handbooks
>>>
>>> Would be great to have for OFBiz !
>>> -Bruno
>>>
>>> 2009/2/8 Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>:
>>>> Hi Jacopo, All,
>>>>
>>>> Looks great : simple! And the way you presented things look more like
>>>> documentations of other reputed Apache TLP Projects (Geronimo, ServiceMix,
>>>> etc.)
>>>> I think we still have an effort to do in order to present things in Wiki
>>>> like if OFBiz was an easy thing to play with (wich is false but that's
>>>> marketing, isn'it ? ;o)
>>>> We should try to put more effort in documentation : removing old stuffes,
>>>> simplyfing, *ordering*. Look for instance at ServiceMix
>>>> http://servicemix.apache.org
>>>> It looks very easy to use, isn'it (after reading a couple of pages it's the
>>>> impression I got) ? And we know it's not!
>>>> What we need most is efforts coordination, to try to put something like
>>>> these other projects in place (a sort of book with ordered, easy to find,
>>>> pages)
>>>> Our documentation looks terrible in comparaison http://docs.ofbiz.org or
>>>> even http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBENDUSER
>>>> How could we achieve it ? Not having the Confluence export available (is
>>>> that true?) should not be a reason.
>>>> We have already discussed about that, and if I recall correctly the last
>>>> option was to use our own dog food. But is that possible ? Shall we really
>>>> able to achieve this in a reasonable time duration ?
>>>>
>>>> Also Bruno is proposing something very interesting about help
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to have read me so far, waiting for your opinions :o)
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>> PS : I intentionnaly don't post this in user ML, I don't expect much from
>>>> users at this stage...
>>>>
>>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ooops, sorry, here is the link:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/~jacopoc/Hello+World%21
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!"
>>>>>> tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to setup the
>>>>>> layout of a new component.
>>>>>> I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful:
>>>>>> writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of writing "Hello
>>>>>> World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: A new "Hello World!" example
Posted by David E Jones <da...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
On Feb 8, 2009, at 4:36 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> 1) Drupal is a true CMS, OFBiz is only a kind of documents managment
> system. I guess it would be much more difficult to achieve the same
> result, no speaking about maintening it...
If you looked a little deeper you'd find this isn't quite true. There
are quite a few things in place already and something to maintain
documentation and replace Confluence wouldn't be too difficult, and
would be far more integrated with other things like project management
for smoother and more consistent UI flow.
-David
> 2) This is contradictory with your proposition in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133
> . If we switch from Confluence to OFBiz CMS, how will you achieve
> your proposition there ?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Bruno Busco" <br...@gmail.com>
>> An example of a self-hosting documentation:
>> http://drupal.org/handbooks
>>
>> Would be great to have for OFBiz !
>> -Bruno
>>
>> 2009/2/8 Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>:
>>> Hi Jacopo, All,
>>>
>>> Looks great : simple! And the way you presented things look more
>>> like
>>> documentations of other reputed Apache TLP Projects (Geronimo,
>>> ServiceMix,
>>> etc.)
>>> I think we still have an effort to do in order to present things
>>> in Wiki
>>> like if OFBiz was an easy thing to play with (wich is false but
>>> that's
>>> marketing, isn'it ? ;o)
>>> We should try to put more effort in documentation : removing old
>>> stuffes,
>>> simplyfing, *ordering*. Look for instance at ServiceMix
>>> http://servicemix.apache.org
>>> It looks very easy to use, isn'it (after reading a couple of pages
>>> it's the
>>> impression I got) ? And we know it's not!
>>> What we need most is efforts coordination, to try to put something
>>> like
>>> these other projects in place (a sort of book with ordered, easy
>>> to find,
>>> pages)
>>> Our documentation looks terrible in comparaison http://docs.ofbiz.org
>>> or
>>> even http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBENDUSER
>>> How could we achieve it ? Not having the Confluence export
>>> available (is
>>> that true?) should not be a reason.
>>> We have already discussed about that, and if I recall correctly
>>> the last
>>> option was to use our own dog food. But is that possible ? Shall
>>> we really
>>> able to achieve this in a reasonable time duration ?
>>>
>>> Also Bruno is proposing something very interesting about help
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133
>>>
>>> Thanks to have read me so far, waiting for your opinions :o)
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>> PS : I intentionnaly don't post this in user ML, I don't expect
>>> much from
>>> users at this stage...
>>>
>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>>
>>>> Ooops, sorry, here is the link:
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/~jacopoc/Hello+World%21
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!"
>>>>> tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to
>>>>> setup the
>>>>> layout of a new component.
>>>>> I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful:
>>>>> writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of
>>>>> writing "Hello
>>>>> World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: A new "Hello World!" example
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
OK, sorry to have messed things up.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133 tries to use the
Confluence END-USER space as it is now and just to link it to OFBiz.
This is, IMO, the shortest path to have a well structured and updated
documentation. This will happen because the help pages will be much
more handy and if a help page is not available or not updated it will
come soon up evident.
We should only to decide hot to structure the help pages. IMO the
current pattern to have one page for each OFBiz page is really good.
We should have at least this and then add some more general pages.
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133 also foresees an help
package distribution to be used offline locally. This will be really
easy to do using the Confluence export feature (that is available
right now).
So I definitively suggest to go on this path.
"use our own dog food" is another thing that we have discussed and
agreed to be beneficial to the project (CMS application further
development). This is a task that Hans as already started putting a
copy of the OFBiz web site into OFBiz itself but this effort will be
dead soon if we do not decide if and how to use it.
A possibility that I see is that, after having found the server and
infra needed, OFBiz could be used to host only the web site. This will
allow/need a CMS improvement.
Then when we will have a CMS that we can rely on (or, may be better,
that we have learned to use) we could move the help documentation on
it.
-Bruno
2009/2/8 Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>:
> 1) Drupal is a true CMS, OFBiz is only a kind of documents managment system.
> I guess it would be much more difficult to achieve the same result, no
> speaking about maintening it...
> 2) This is contradictory with your proposition in
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133. If we switch from
> Confluence to OFBiz CMS, how will you achieve your proposition there ?
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Bruno Busco" <br...@gmail.com>
>>
>> An example of a self-hosting documentation:
>> http://drupal.org/handbooks
>>
>> Would be great to have for OFBiz !
>> -Bruno
>>
>> 2009/2/8 Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>:
>>>
>>> Hi Jacopo, All,
>>>
>>> Looks great : simple! And the way you presented things look more like
>>> documentations of other reputed Apache TLP Projects (Geronimo,
>>> ServiceMix,
>>> etc.)
>>> I think we still have an effort to do in order to present things in Wiki
>>> like if OFBiz was an easy thing to play with (wich is false but that's
>>> marketing, isn'it ? ;o)
>>> We should try to put more effort in documentation : removing old stuffes,
>>> simplyfing, *ordering*. Look for instance at ServiceMix
>>> http://servicemix.apache.org
>>> It looks very easy to use, isn'it (after reading a couple of pages it's
>>> the
>>> impression I got) ? And we know it's not!
>>> What we need most is efforts coordination, to try to put something like
>>> these other projects in place (a sort of book with ordered, easy to find,
>>> pages)
>>> Our documentation looks terrible in comparaison http://docs.ofbiz.org or
>>> even http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBENDUSER
>>> How could we achieve it ? Not having the Confluence export available (is
>>> that true?) should not be a reason.
>>> We have already discussed about that, and if I recall correctly the last
>>> option was to use our own dog food. But is that possible ? Shall we
>>> really
>>> able to achieve this in a reasonable time duration ?
>>>
>>> Also Bruno is proposing something very interesting about help
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133
>>>
>>> Thanks to have read me so far, waiting for your opinions :o)
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>> PS : I intentionnaly don't post this in user ML, I don't expect much from
>>> users at this stage...
>>>
>>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>>
>>>> Ooops, sorry, here is the link:
>>>>
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/~jacopoc/Hello+World%21
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!"
>>>>> tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to setup
>>>>> the
>>>>> layout of a new component.
>>>>> I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful:
>>>>> writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of writing
>>>>> "Hello
>>>>> World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jacopo
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: A new "Hello World!" example
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
1) Drupal is a true CMS, OFBiz is only a kind of documents managment system. I guess it would be much more difficult to achieve the
same result, no speaking about maintening it...
2) This is contradictory with your proposition in https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133. If we switch from Confluence to
OFBiz CMS, how will you achieve your proposition there ?
Jacques
From: "Bruno Busco" <br...@gmail.com>
> An example of a self-hosting documentation:
> http://drupal.org/handbooks
>
> Would be great to have for OFBiz !
> -Bruno
>
> 2009/2/8 Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>:
>> Hi Jacopo, All,
>>
>> Looks great : simple! And the way you presented things look more like
>> documentations of other reputed Apache TLP Projects (Geronimo, ServiceMix,
>> etc.)
>> I think we still have an effort to do in order to present things in Wiki
>> like if OFBiz was an easy thing to play with (wich is false but that's
>> marketing, isn'it ? ;o)
>> We should try to put more effort in documentation : removing old stuffes,
>> simplyfing, *ordering*. Look for instance at ServiceMix
>> http://servicemix.apache.org
>> It looks very easy to use, isn'it (after reading a couple of pages it's the
>> impression I got) ? And we know it's not!
>> What we need most is efforts coordination, to try to put something like
>> these other projects in place (a sort of book with ordered, easy to find,
>> pages)
>> Our documentation looks terrible in comparaison http://docs.ofbiz.org or
>> even http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBENDUSER
>> How could we achieve it ? Not having the Confluence export available (is
>> that true?) should not be a reason.
>> We have already discussed about that, and if I recall correctly the last
>> option was to use our own dog food. But is that possible ? Shall we really
>> able to achieve this in a reasonable time duration ?
>>
>> Also Bruno is proposing something very interesting about help
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133
>>
>> Thanks to have read me so far, waiting for your opinions :o)
>>
>> Jacques
>> PS : I intentionnaly don't post this in user ML, I don't expect much from
>> users at this stage...
>>
>> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>>
>>> Ooops, sorry, here is the link:
>>>
>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/~jacopoc/Hello+World%21
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!"
>>>> tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to setup the
>>>> layout of a new component.
>>>> I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful:
>>>> writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of writing "Hello
>>>> World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Jacopo
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: A new "Hello World!" example
Posted by Bruno Busco <br...@gmail.com>.
An example of a self-hosting documentation:
http://drupal.org/handbooks
Would be great to have for OFBiz !
-Bruno
2009/2/8 Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>:
> Hi Jacopo, All,
>
> Looks great : simple! And the way you presented things look more like
> documentations of other reputed Apache TLP Projects (Geronimo, ServiceMix,
> etc.)
> I think we still have an effort to do in order to present things in Wiki
> like if OFBiz was an easy thing to play with (wich is false but that's
> marketing, isn'it ? ;o)
> We should try to put more effort in documentation : removing old stuffes,
> simplyfing, *ordering*. Look for instance at ServiceMix
> http://servicemix.apache.org
> It looks very easy to use, isn'it (after reading a couple of pages it's the
> impression I got) ? And we know it's not!
> What we need most is efforts coordination, to try to put something like
> these other projects in place (a sort of book with ordered, easy to find,
> pages)
> Our documentation looks terrible in comparaison http://docs.ofbiz.org or
> even http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBENDUSER
> How could we achieve it ? Not having the Confluence export available (is
> that true?) should not be a reason.
> We have already discussed about that, and if I recall correctly the last
> option was to use our own dog food. But is that possible ? Shall we really
> able to achieve this in a reasonable time duration ?
>
> Also Bruno is proposing something very interesting about help
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133
>
> Thanks to have read me so far, waiting for your opinions :o)
>
> Jacques
> PS : I intentionnaly don't post this in user ML, I don't expect much from
> users at this stage...
>
> From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>
>> Ooops, sorry, here is the link:
>>
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/~jacopoc/Hello+World%21
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!"
>>> tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to setup the
>>> layout of a new component.
>>> I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful:
>>> writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of writing "Hello
>>> World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jacopo
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: A new "Hello World!" example
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Hi Jacopo, All,
Looks great : simple! And the way you presented things look more like documentations of other reputed Apache TLP Projects (Geronimo,
ServiceMix, etc.)
I think we still have an effort to do in order to present things in Wiki like if OFBiz was an easy thing to play with (wich is false
but that's marketing, isn'it ? ;o)
We should try to put more effort in documentation : removing old stuffes, simplyfing, *ordering*. Look for instance at ServiceMix
http://servicemix.apache.org
It looks very easy to use, isn'it (after reading a couple of pages it's the impression I got) ? And we know it's not!
What we need most is efforts coordination, to try to put something like these other projects in place (a sort of book with ordered,
easy to find, pages)
Our documentation looks terrible in comparaison http://docs.ofbiz.org or even
http://docs.ofbiz.org/pages/listpages-dirview.action?key=OFBENDUSER
How could we achieve it ? Not having the Confluence export available (is that true?) should not be a reason.
We have already discussed about that, and if I recall correctly the last option was to use our own dog food. But is that possible ?
Shall we really able to achieve this in a reasonable time duration ?
Also Bruno is proposing something very interesting about help https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-2133
Thanks to have read me so far, waiting for your opinions :o)
Jacques
PS : I intentionnaly don't post this in user ML, I don't expect much from users at this stage...
From: "Jacopo Cappellato" <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> Ooops, sorry, here is the link:
>
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/~jacopoc/Hello+World%21
>
> Jacopo
>
> On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!" tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to
>> setup the layout of a new component.
>> I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful: writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of
>> writing "Hello World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jacopo
>>
>
>
Re: A new "Hello World!" example
Posted by Jacopo Cappellato <ja...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Ooops, sorry, here is the link:
http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/~jacopoc/Hello+World%21
Jacopo
On Feb 8, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Jacopo Cappellato wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> you may be interested in this "experimental" new "Hello World!"
> tutorial, that makes use of the new "create-component" target to
> setup the layout of a new component.
> I really think that the OFBiz framework is becoming very powerful:
> writing an "Hello World!" application is really a matter of writing
> "Hello World!" inside of a "label" element in a screen definition.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jacopo
>