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[DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Good time of the time to all!
I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion, comments
and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its acceptance into
Incubator.
People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind the
Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the community is
literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of doing
things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in tirelessly
helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source project.
The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see it
has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and IMO
will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
The project's proposal is available at [1].
Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
--
With best regards,
Cos
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Dave,
appreciate the offer - having someone of your caliber on the team is a huge
help. I will update the proposal shortly!
Welcome and thank you!
--
Cos
On Mon, Feb 03, 2020 at 04:59PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> This is very interesting. You’ve got a good set of mentors!
>
> If you are looking for a fourth mentor then I volunteer if you are interested.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> > On Feb 3, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Good time of the time to all!
> >
> > I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion, comments
> > and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its acceptance into
> > Incubator.
> >
> > People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind the
> > Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the community is
> > literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
> >
> > I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> > privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> > however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of doing
> > things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in tirelessly
> > helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source project.
> >
> > The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see it
> > has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and IMO
> > will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
> >
> > The project's proposal is available at [1].
> >
> > Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> > --
> > With best regards,
> > Cos
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
This is very interesting. You’ve got a good set of mentors!
If you are looking for a fourth mentor then I volunteer if you are interested.
Regards,
Dave
> On Feb 3, 2020, at 4:43 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Good time of the time to all!
>
> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion, comments
> and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its acceptance into
> Incubator.
>
> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind the
> Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the community is
> literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
>
> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of doing
> things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in tirelessly
> helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source project.
>
> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see it
> has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and IMO
> will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>
> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>
> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> --
> With best regards,
> Cos
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Paul, I think five is the charm! Groovy has been my favorite language for near
a decade so I would love you to join the group of mentors. And I think I am
expressing the unspoken consensus of the rest of us :) So, welcome!
As for the use of Commons Clause: thanks for the good catch. Let's look into
this issue and make necessary adjustments if needed.
--
Cos
On Tue, Feb 04, 2020 at 03:34PM, Paul King wrote:
> Looks like you have close to a full house for mentors. I could certainly
> put my hat in the ring if you need another, otherwise I will certainly be
> an interested community member. It seems like an interesting project. I
> would have a particular interest in Groovy/Micronaut integration.
>
> I did notice in the current repo, usage of the Commons Clause (with ALV2).
> The usage by Redis of something similar, albeit with notable differences,
> was controversial a little while back but seemed to die down as per
> LEGAL-402. As someone who hasn't been following this lately, is that
> something the project needs to manage expectations for?
>
> Cheers, Paul.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:43 AM Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Good time of the time to all!
> >
> > I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion, comments
> > and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its acceptance
> > into
> > Incubator.
> >
> > People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
> > the
> > Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the community
> > is
> > literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
> >
> > I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> > privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> > however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
> > doing
> > things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in tirelessly
> > helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source
> > project.
> >
> > The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
> > it
> > has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and IMO
> > will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
> >
> > The project's proposal is available at [1].
> >
> > Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> > --
> > With best regards,
> > Cos
> >
> > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
> >
Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
Inline.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 7, 2020, at 5:07 PM, Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Looks like the discussion is winding down a bit. So, to sum it up:
>
> - CC shall be removed during code transfer to ASF
> - an SGA will be expected from DataLingvo
> - as the original NLPCraft developers from DataLingvo are all a part of
> NLPCraft project there is no need for explicit copyright transfer
> permission from them (or at least this is how I understand the
> situation)
>
> Anything else I haven't covered (sorry, the thread was a bit of asynchronous and I might have missed some points).
Pretty much.
I’m curious is the address on Howard St in San Francisco a shared office location?
Regards,
Dave
>
> Thanks,
> Cos
>
>> On 2/5/20 6:44 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
>> Hi,
>>> NLPCraft came originally from DataLingvo.
>> OK so that clarifies that there is code developed by DataLingvo in this code base.
>>> During migration, some DataLingvo artefacts weren't properly
>>> renamed (it should be fixed by now).
>> I would question why they were “renamed”, while you’re not an ASF project yet please see [1] for future expectations. ASF policy is generally to not remove 3rd party headers.
>>> Just to be clear - NLPCraft has no
>>> affiliation with DataLingvo of any kind (beyond the original roots) nor it
>>> is a legal entity; it's just a project name.
>> You mentioned all the original developers from DataLingvo worked on NLPCraft. Is this still the case? Are any of them initial committers? Will all people who worked on the original DataLingvo code base be signing ICLAs?
>>> If required, DataLingvo will execute SGA (as it already open-sourced it
>>> with ASL 2.0 license two years ago). Please advise.
>> I think that would be best.
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>> 1. https://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#3party
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
> - as the original NLPCraft developers from DataLingvo are all a part of
> NLPCraft project
This is not the case, but the SGA from DataLingvo will cover this.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Looks like the discussion is winding down a bit. So, to sum it up:
- CC shall be removed during code transfer to ASF
- an SGA will be expected from DataLingvo
- as the original NLPCraft developers from DataLingvo are all a part of
NLPCraft project there is no need for explicit copyright transfer
permission from them (or at least this is how I understand the
situation)
Anything else I haven't covered (sorry, the thread was a bit of
asynchronous and I might have missed some points).
Thanks,
Cos
On 2/5/20 6:44 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> NLPCraft came originally from DataLingvo.
>
> OK so that clarifies that there is code developed by DataLingvo in this code base.
>
>> During migration, some DataLingvo artefacts weren't properly
>> renamed (it should be fixed by now).
>
> I would question why they were “renamed”, while you’re not an ASF project yet please see [1] for future expectations. ASF policy is generally to not remove 3rd party headers.
>
>> Just to be clear - NLPCraft has no
>> affiliation with DataLingvo of any kind (beyond the original roots) nor it
>> is a legal entity; it's just a project name.
>
> You mentioned all the original developers from DataLingvo worked on NLPCraft. Is this still the case? Are any of them initial committers? Will all people who worked on the original DataLingvo code base be signing ICLAs?
>
>> If required, DataLingvo will execute SGA (as it already open-sourced it
>> with ASL 2.0 license two years ago). Please advise.
>
> I think that would be best.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#3party
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gmail.com>.
Justin,
As far as "all people signing ICLA" - we can't guarantee this as I don't
think we know (or have a record of) all the people who touched the code
years back (I do know main contributors - they are in this proposal). I
think SGA would be the best option as it should make things clear.
I know this subject was a sensitive discussion when Apache Ignite was
proposed for incubation (I'm a founding member of that project and a
founder at GridGain Systems) - so I'm keenly aware of the importance of the
IP governments of the proposed codebase. Hopefully, SGA will satisfy these
requirements.
@Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>, @Aaron Radzinski
<ar...@nlpcraft.org> - feel free to chime in as well.
Thanks,
--
Nikita Ivanov
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 3:44 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > NLPCraft came originally from DataLingvo.
>
> OK so that clarifies that there is code developed by DataLingvo in this
> code base.
>
> > During migration, some DataLingvo artefacts weren't properly
> > renamed (it should be fixed by now).
>
> I would question why they were “renamed”, while you’re not an ASF project
> yet please see [1] for future expectations. ASF policy is generally to not
> remove 3rd party headers.
>
> > Just to be clear - NLPCraft has no
> > affiliation with DataLingvo of any kind (beyond the original roots) nor
> it
> > is a legal entity; it's just a project name.
>
> You mentioned all the original developers from DataLingvo worked on
> NLPCraft. Is this still the case? Are any of them initial committers? Will
> all people who worked on the original DataLingvo code base be signing ICLAs?
>
> > If required, DataLingvo will execute SGA (as it already open-sourced it
> > with ASL 2.0 license two years ago). Please advise.
>
> I think that would be best.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#3party
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> NLPCraft came originally from DataLingvo.
OK so that clarifies that there is code developed by DataLingvo in this code base.
> During migration, some DataLingvo artefacts weren't properly
> renamed (it should be fixed by now).
I would question why they were “renamed”, while you’re not an ASF project yet please see [1] for future expectations. ASF policy is generally to not remove 3rd party headers.
> Just to be clear - NLPCraft has no
> affiliation with DataLingvo of any kind (beyond the original roots) nor it
> is a legal entity; it's just a project name.
You mentioned all the original developers from DataLingvo worked on NLPCraft. Is this still the case? Are any of them initial committers? Will all people who worked on the original DataLingvo code base be signing ICLAs?
> If required, DataLingvo will execute SGA (as it already open-sourced it
> with ASL 2.0 license two years ago). Please advise.
I think that would be best.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#3party
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gmail.com>.
Justin, et. al.,
NLPCraft came originally from DataLingvo. DataLingvo was a legal entity
that originally developed some initial code. It has open-sourced it around
2018 along with the license change and it was developed thereafter within
NLPCraft project (including by all the original developers from
DataLingvo). During migration, some DataLingvo artefacts weren't properly
renamed (it should be fixed by now). Just to be clear - NLPCraft has no
affiliation with DataLingvo of any kind (beyond the original roots) nor it
is a legal entity; it's just a project name.
If required, DataLingvo will execute SGA (as it already open-sourced it
with ASL 2.0 license two years ago). Please advise.
Thanks!
--
Nikita Ivanov
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 2:50 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> > perhaps the company changed it’s name but it’s the same organization?
>
> Perhaps or perhaps not, it hard to say with the information currently at
> hand. Hopefully the proposed project can clarify.
>
> The IP provenance of the codebase needs to be clear, removing copyright
> headers without explanation IMO makes that unclear. We also need to know if
> others were involved to know who else need to sign ICLAs or if a SGA is
> needed from DataLingvo.
>
> For instance here [1] it states that DataLingvo is the maker of
> NLPCraft.org, that implies we need an SGA from them.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://twitter.com/datalingvo?lang=en
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
> perhaps the company changed it’s name but it’s the same organization?
Perhaps or perhaps not, it hard to say with the information currently at hand. Hopefully the proposed project can clarify.
The IP provenance of the codebase needs to be clear, removing copyright headers without explanation IMO makes that unclear. We also need to know if others were involved to know who else need to sign ICLAs or if a SGA is needed from DataLingvo.
For instance here [1] it states that DataLingvo is the maker of NLPCraft.org, that implies we need an SGA from them.
Thanks,
Justin
1. https://twitter.com/datalingvo?lang=en
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -
A little research on Google, Quadra and LinkedIn shows that DataLingvo and NLPCraft seem to be the same with a name change.
Regards,
Dave
> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:24 PM, David Jencks <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there perhaps a language problem? I often have trouble saying what I mean in a way that can be understood… even by me, a few minutes later. https://www.datalingvo.com now seems to redirect to https://nlpcraft.org, perhaps the company changed it’s name but it’s the same organization? I could have written the below and meant “The original code for the proposed NLPCraft project was written when the NLPCraft company was called DataLingvo”.
>
> Hope this is not just noise…
>
> david jencks
>
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>>
>> HI,
>>
>>> The original code for NLPCraft was developed under DataLingvo.
>>
>> So wouldn’t they be the copyright owner? If soyou can’t change headers or remove copyright statements without permission from them, do you have that?
>>
>> Can you point me to the original repos? It may be that that are other people that we need ICLAs from or a software grant from DataLingvo is also required.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by David Jencks <da...@gmail.com>.
Is there perhaps a language problem? I often have trouble saying what I mean in a way that can be understood… even by me, a few minutes later. https://www.datalingvo.com now seems to redirect to https://nlpcraft.org, perhaps the company changed it’s name but it’s the same organization? I could have written the below and meant “The original code for the proposed NLPCraft project was written when the NLPCraft company was called DataLingvo”.
Hope this is not just noise…
david jencks
> On Feb 5, 2020, at 1:20 PM, Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
>
> HI,
>
>> The original code for NLPCraft was developed under DataLingvo.
>
> So wouldn’t they be the copyright owner? If soyou can’t change headers or remove copyright statements without permission from them, do you have that?
>
> Can you point me to the original repos? It may be that that are other people that we need ICLAs from or a software grant from DataLingvo is also required.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
HI,
> The original code for NLPCraft was developed under DataLingvo.
So wouldn’t they be the copyright owner? If soyou can’t change headers or remove copyright statements without permission from them, do you have that?
Can you point me to the original repos? It may be that that are other people that we need ICLAs from or a software grant from DataLingvo is also required.
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gmail.com>.
Justin - let me clarify (sorry for confusion).
The original code for NLPCraft was developed under DataLingvo. A few years
back it was decided to rename the project to NLPCraft and adopt CC w/ASL2.0
license. The codebase was migrated to a new GitHub repo along with these
changes. Apparently, not all copyright statements were caught and few
remained in the code. I've already notified Aaron Radzinski (a member of
NLPCraft project & of this proposal) - and he should comb through and clean
up copyrights (and other mentions of DataLingvo) from the code.
I hope this makes it a bit clearer.
Best,
--
Nikita Ivanov
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 5:37 AM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the answers.
>
> > 3. There are historical mentions of DataLingvo in the source code (here
> and
> > there) and that needs to be cleaned up (they are just an artefact of
> > migration from repo to repo).
>
>
> I'm not sure that answers my question(s), historical how?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for the answers.
> 3. There are historical mentions of DataLingvo in the source code (here and
> there) and that needs to be cleaned up (they are just an artefact of
> migration from repo to repo).
I'm not sure that answers my question(s), historical how?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gmail.com>.
Justin,
Let me reply on these.
1. The common clause will be removed (if and when the project enters ASF
Incubator). I mentioned that in my last reply.
2. nlpcraft.* domains will be donated to ASF during the incubation period.
3. There are historical mentions of DataLingvo in the source code (here and
there) and that needs to be cleaned up (they are just an artefact of
migration from repo to repo). All the code that will be migrated to ASF
will be cleaned up. No code grants should be necessary.
4. Agree on user list...
Thanks!
--
Nikita Ivanov
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 4:01 PM Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Great proposal and an interesting project you have there:
>
> Some comments:
> - The common clause is a big concern, it basically means this is not open
> source software. The project needs to be willing to remove it and have
> permission to do so from all contributors.
> - Is nlpcraft a company name? (Website seems to imply it might be by
> giving it a physical address) The domains nlpcraft.com nlpcraft.net and
> nlpcraft.org are currently taken, will they be donated or redirected to
> the ASF?
> - A quick search of the repro shows 3rd party content of unknown
> licensing, are you aware of this? e.g [1] Is there a relationship between
> DataLingvo and NLPCraft? If so what is it? Would a software grant from them
> be needed? I notice a number of other files are also copyright DataLingvo.
> - Generally Incubator projects don’t start with a user list, is there a
> reason why you want to start with one?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. ./src/main/resources/stopwords/first_words.txt.gz
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Justin Mclean <ju...@classsoftware.com>.
Hi,
Great proposal and an interesting project you have there:
Some comments:
- The common clause is a big concern, it basically means this is not open source software. The project needs to be willing to remove it and have permission to do so from all contributors.
- Is nlpcraft a company name? (Website seems to imply it might be by giving it a physical address) The domains nlpcraft.com nlpcraft.net and nlpcraft.org are currently taken, will they be donated or redirected to the ASF?
- A quick search of the repro shows 3rd party content of unknown licensing, are you aware of this? e.g [1] Is there a relationship between DataLingvo and NLPCraft? If so what is it? Would a software grant from them be needed? I notice a number of other files are also copyright DataLingvo.
- Generally Incubator projects don’t start with a user list, is there a reason why you want to start with one?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>.
Thanks for the offer Furkan. While we have a pretty packed house
already, I think we can find a spot for one more ;)
Welcome! I will update the proposal to reflect this.
--
Cos
On 2/4/20 5:45 AM, Furkan KAMACI wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've checked your proposal, website, and blog posts and seems promising! I
> can help as a mentor if needed too.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Furkan KAMACI
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 1:21 PM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
>
>> All sounds good to me.
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 4:30 PM Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> I'm one of the NLPCraft project members, let me chime in here.
>>>
>>> 1. The project is very interested in native Groovy/Kotlin/Scala model
>>> APIs. It is a bit unclear for now how much work needs to be done
>>> specifically for these languages given that NLPCraft provides a very
>> plain
>>> (and Scala-friendly) Java APIs. I think it deserves a separate deep
>>> conversation.
>>> 2. The topic of Commons Clause (with ALV2) is very clear - if and when
>> the
>>> project enters the ASF Incubator the license will change to plain Apache
>>> License, v2.0. There's no disagreement on this among project members.
>>> Thanks!
>>> --
>>> Nikita Ivanov
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:35 PM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Looks like you have close to a full house for mentors. I could certainly
>>>> put my hat in the ring if you need another, otherwise I will certainly
>> be
>>>> an interested community member. It seems like an interesting project. I
>>>> would have a particular interest in Groovy/Micronaut integration.
>>>>
>>>> I did notice in the current repo, usage of the Commons Clause (with
>> ALV2).
>>>> The usage by Redis of something similar, albeit with notable
>> differences,
>>>> was controversial a little while back but seemed to die down as per
>>>> LEGAL-402. As someone who hasn't been following this lately, is that
>>>> something the project needs to manage expectations for?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers, Paul.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:43 AM Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Good time of the time to all!
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
>>>> comments
>>>>> and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
>> acceptance
>>>>> into
>>>>> Incubator.
>>>>>
>>>>> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
>>>> behind
>>>>> the
>>>>> Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the
>>>> community
>>>>> is
>>>>> literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
>> started
>>>>> privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the
>> community
>>>>> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways
>> of
>>>>> doing
>>>>> things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in
>>>> tirelessly
>>>>> helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source
>>>>> project.
>>>>>
>>>>> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
>>>> see
>>>>> it
>>>>> has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and
>>>> IMO
>>>>> will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>>>>>
>>>>> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
>>>>> --
>>>>> With best regards,
>>>>> Cos
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
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Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Furkan KAMACI <fu...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I've checked your proposal, website, and blog posts and seems promising! I
can help as a mentor if needed too.
Kind Regards,
Furkan KAMACI
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 1:21 PM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
> All sounds good to me.
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 4:30 PM Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Paul,
> > I'm one of the NLPCraft project members, let me chime in here.
> >
> > 1. The project is very interested in native Groovy/Kotlin/Scala model
> > APIs. It is a bit unclear for now how much work needs to be done
> > specifically for these languages given that NLPCraft provides a very
> plain
> > (and Scala-friendly) Java APIs. I think it deserves a separate deep
> > conversation.
> > 2. The topic of Commons Clause (with ALV2) is very clear - if and when
> the
> > project enters the ASF Incubator the license will change to plain Apache
> > License, v2.0. There's no disagreement on this among project members.
> > Thanks!
> > --
> > Nikita Ivanov
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:35 PM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Looks like you have close to a full house for mentors. I could certainly
> >> put my hat in the ring if you need another, otherwise I will certainly
> be
> >> an interested community member. It seems like an interesting project. I
> >> would have a particular interest in Groovy/Micronaut integration.
> >>
> >> I did notice in the current repo, usage of the Commons Clause (with
> ALV2).
> >> The usage by Redis of something similar, albeit with notable
> differences,
> >> was controversial a little while back but seemed to die down as per
> >> LEGAL-402. As someone who hasn't been following this lately, is that
> >> something the project needs to manage expectations for?
> >>
> >> Cheers, Paul.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:43 AM Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Good time of the time to all!
> >> >
> >> > I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
> >> comments
> >> > and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its
> acceptance
> >> > into
> >> > Incubator.
> >> >
> >> > People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
> >> behind
> >> > the
> >> > Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the
> >> community
> >> > is
> >> > literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
> >> >
> >> > I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just
> started
> >> > privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the
> community
> >> > however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways
> of
> >> > doing
> >> > things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in
> >> tirelessly
> >> > helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source
> >> > project.
> >> >
> >> > The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
> >> see
> >> > it
> >> > has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and
> >> IMO
> >> > will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
> >> >
> >> > The project's proposal is available at [1].
> >> >
> >> > Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> >> > --
> >> > With best regards,
> >> > Cos
> >> >
> >> > [1]
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
> >> >
> >>
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au>.
All sounds good to me.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 4:30 PM Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Paul,
> I'm one of the NLPCraft project members, let me chime in here.
>
> 1. The project is very interested in native Groovy/Kotlin/Scala model
> APIs. It is a bit unclear for now how much work needs to be done
> specifically for these languages given that NLPCraft provides a very plain
> (and Scala-friendly) Java APIs. I think it deserves a separate deep
> conversation.
> 2. The topic of Commons Clause (with ALV2) is very clear - if and when the
> project enters the ASF Incubator the license will change to plain Apache
> License, v2.0. There's no disagreement on this among project members.
> Thanks!
> --
> Nikita Ivanov
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:35 PM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
>
>> Looks like you have close to a full house for mentors. I could certainly
>> put my hat in the ring if you need another, otherwise I will certainly be
>> an interested community member. It seems like an interesting project. I
>> would have a particular interest in Groovy/Micronaut integration.
>>
>> I did notice in the current repo, usage of the Commons Clause (with ALV2).
>> The usage by Redis of something similar, albeit with notable differences,
>> was controversial a little while back but seemed to die down as per
>> LEGAL-402. As someone who hasn't been following this lately, is that
>> something the project needs to manage expectations for?
>>
>> Cheers, Paul.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:43 AM Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Good time of the time to all!
>> >
>> > I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
>> comments
>> > and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its acceptance
>> > into
>> > Incubator.
>> >
>> > People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were
>> behind
>> > the
>> > Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the
>> community
>> > is
>> > literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
>> >
>> > I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
>> > privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
>> > however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
>> > doing
>> > things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in
>> tirelessly
>> > helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source
>> > project.
>> >
>> > The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will
>> see
>> > it
>> > has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and
>> IMO
>> > will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>> >
>> > The project's proposal is available at [1].
>> >
>> > Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
>> > --
>> > With best regards,
>> > Cos
>> >
>> > [1]
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
>> >
>>
>
Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Nikita Ivanov <ni...@gmail.com>.
Hi Paul,
I'm one of the NLPCraft project members, let me chime in here.
1. The project is very interested in native Groovy/Kotlin/Scala model APIs.
It is a bit unclear for now how much work needs to be done specifically for
these languages given that NLPCraft provides a very plain (and
Scala-friendly) Java APIs. I think it deserves a separate deep conversation.
2. The topic of Commons Clause (with ALV2) is very clear - if and when the
project enters the ASF Incubator the license will change to plain Apache
License, v2.0. There's no disagreement on this among project members.
Thanks!
--
Nikita Ivanov
On Mon, Feb 3, 2020 at 9:35 PM Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au> wrote:
> Looks like you have close to a full house for mentors. I could certainly
> put my hat in the ring if you need another, otherwise I will certainly be
> an interested community member. It seems like an interesting project. I
> would have a particular interest in Groovy/Micronaut integration.
>
> I did notice in the current repo, usage of the Commons Clause (with ALV2).
> The usage by Redis of something similar, albeit with notable differences,
> was controversial a little while back but seemed to die down as per
> LEGAL-402. As someone who hasn't been following this lately, is that
> something the project needs to manage expectations for?
>
> Cheers, Paul.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:43 AM Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Good time of the time to all!
> >
> > I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion,
> comments
> > and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its acceptance
> > into
> > Incubator.
> >
> > People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
> > the
> > Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the
> community
> > is
> > literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
> >
> > I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> > privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> > however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
> > doing
> > things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in
> tirelessly
> > helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source
> > project.
> >
> > The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
> > it
> > has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and
> IMO
> > will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
> >
> > The project's proposal is available at [1].
> >
> > Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> > --
> > With best regards,
> > Cos
> >
> > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] NLPCraft Proposal
Posted by Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au>.
Looks like you have close to a full house for mentors. I could certainly
put my hat in the ring if you need another, otherwise I will certainly be
an interested community member. It seems like an interesting project. I
would have a particular interest in Groovy/Micronaut integration.
I did notice in the current repo, usage of the Commons Clause (with ALV2).
The usage by Redis of something similar, albeit with notable differences,
was controversial a little while back but seemed to die down as per
LEGAL-402. As someone who hasn't been following this lately, is that
something the project needs to manage expectations for?
Cheers, Paul.
On Tue, Feb 4, 2020 at 10:43 AM Konstantin Boudnik <co...@apache.org> wrote:
> Good time of the time to all!
>
> I'd like to bring this new interesting project for the discussion, comments
> and feedback with the aim of starting a formal [VOTE] of its acceptance
> into
> Incubator.
>
> People behind this project aren't new to Apache: some of them were behind
> the
> Apache Ignite incubation, which I consider a huge success as the community
> is
> literally thriving almost 5 years after the graduation.
>
> I have been involved a little bit with this project when it just started
> privately a few years ago. And I'd like to emphasize that the community
> however small it might look so far, has been aligned with Apache ways of
> doing
> things. Nikita Ivanov (from Ignite PMC) is very instrumental in tirelessly
> helping this group to learn what it means to be a truly open source
> project.
>
> The code is already under ALv2 and is publicly available. As you will see
> it
> has a lot of organic connections with the rest of Apache ecosystem and IMO
> will fit very well here and continue to grow the community.
>
> The project's proposal is available at [1].
>
> Thank you very much for the feedback you're willing to provide!
> --
> With best regards,
> Cos
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/NLPCraftProposal
>