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Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6 and have 2
GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The problem
below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from users I
support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut off is
though) when performing update or status operations from the top level of
the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing windows or
responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual Subversion
operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the operation.
Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these large
working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two updates in
a row.
Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting it
automatically reload.
Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
Thanks.
Justin
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>.
I started here because I was seeing the problem even when using the
command-line client exclusively, without even navigating the working copy in
Windows Explorer.
Since changing the Status cache preference in TortoiseSVN fixed the problem,
I completely agree. :-)
Thanks.
Justin
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:06 PM, Ryan Schmidt <
subversion-2009b@ryandesign.com> wrote:
>
> On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:32, Justin Johnson wrote:
>
> I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6 and have
>> 2 GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The problem
>> below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from users I
>> support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
>>
>> For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut off
>> is though) when performing update or status operations from the top level of
>> the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing windows or
>> responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual Subversion
>> operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the operation.
>> Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these large
>> working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two updates in
>> a row.
>>
>> Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting it
>> automatically reload.
>>
>> Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
>>
>
> Subversion itself has nothing to do with Windows Explorer. TortoiseSVN,
> being a windows shell extension, of course does, so I think you should talk
> to the developers of TortoiseSVN about this on their mailing list.
>
>
>
>
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Ryan Schmidt <su...@ryandesign.com>.
On Oct 23, 2009, at 11:32, Justin Johnson wrote:
> I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6
> and have 2 GB of RAM with nothing else running during the
> operations. The problem below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've
> heard reports from users I support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
>
> For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut
> off is though) when performing update or status operations from the
> top level of the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops
> refreshing windows or responding at all. This usually leads to
> errors in the actual Subversion operation, saying there aren't
> enough resources to complete the operation. Sometimes my VPN client
> disconnects part way through. For these large working copies I can
> usually reproduce the error with one or two updates in a row.
>
> Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting
> it automatically reload.
>
> Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
Subversion itself has nothing to do with Windows Explorer.
TortoiseSVN, being a windows shell extension, of course does, so I
think you should talk to the developers of TortoiseSVN about this on
their mailing list.
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 16:18, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 16:26, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 15:26, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:32, Justin Johnson
>> >> >> <ju...@honesthacker.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > have 2
>> >> >> > GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The
>> >> >> > problem
>> >> >> > below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from
>> >> >> > users I
>> >> >> > support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the
>> >> >> > cut
>> >> >> > off
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > though) when performing update or status operations from the top
>> >> >> > level
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing
>> >> >> > windows
>> >> >> > or
>> >> >> > responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual
>> >> >> > Subversion
>> >> >> > operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the
>> >> >> > operation.
>> >> >> > Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these
>> >> >> > large
>> >> >> > working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two
>> >> >> > updates
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > a row.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and
>> >> >> > letting
>> >> >> > it
>> >> >> > automatically reload.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I have a couple WCs in that size range (including the .svn
>> >> >> directories) and haven't seen this with 1.6.x versions of SVN &
>> >> >> TSVN.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm running XP SP2, not SP3, I don't know if that might be the
>> >> >> difference. Laptop, 2GB RAM, 7200 RPM drive, lots of other stuff
>> >> >> running.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What antivirus are you using? They often treat command-line programs
>> >> >> (svn.exe) differently from GUI apps (TSVN and its related
>> >> >> utilities),
>> >> >> which could be part of the issue.
>> >> >
>> >> > I saw the problem on SP2 as well.
>> >> >
>> >> > The problem happened with svn.exe, if TortoiseSVN's Status cache
>> >> > preference
>> >> > was set to Shell.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have Symantec Antivirus 10.1.7.7000 installed.
>> >>
>> >> Can you try disabling it? At the very least, tell it to ignore the
>> >> .svn directories. I seem to recall that being one of the troublesome
>> >> AVs.
>> >
>> > There's no chance that will happen where I work. I've tried to have
>> > that
>> > conversation, but it went nowhere.
>>
>> So what you're saying is that policy is impeding you from doing your
>> job. Policy isn't supposed to get in the way, it's supposed to make
>> sure everything's done right without putting up unnecessary
>> roadblocks.
>>
>> At the very least, you need to test it somehow to prove this theory.
>> If you can document that the current configuration is in fact impeding
>> your work, you'll have a lot more chance of making the change happen.
>> Can you get a system that's nearly identical to yours, but without AV,
>> to test on?
>
> After testing further I have confirmed that this problem occurs even when I
> completely uninstall TortoiseSVN.
>
> First I updated one large working copy. Then I updated a second large
> working copy. This second update failed with the following error.
>
> svn: Can't check path 'some\dir\in\workingcopy\.svn\lock': Insufficient
> system resources exist to complete the requested service.
>
> Around the same time, the title bars in Windows Explorer windows stop
> refreshing and get garbled looking as I drag them around.
>
> When I tried to run "svn cleanup" I got a similar error.
>
> svn: Can't open file 'some\dir\.svn\lock': Insufficient system resources
> exist to complete the requested service.
>
> After waiting a couple minutes I tried the cleanup again and it succeeded.
> After closing the messed up Windows Explorer windows, if I open new Windows
> Explorer windows they refresh correctly.
>
> Is it possible this has to do with inefficient use of memory in Subversion,
> so that certain memory runs low and Windows stops behaving properly?
I'd still like to see you run these tests on WCs checked out from the
same place on a system that doesn't have that antivirus software
installed. You haven't conclusively ruled that software out yet.
Thousands of people are using Subversion on Windows without these
errors, so there must be something different in your environment.
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RE: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Ul...@elektrobit.com.
Hi Stefan,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stefan Sperling [mailto:stsp@elego.de]
> Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 6:16 PM
> To: Jans Ullrich
> Cc: justin@honesthacker.com; andy.levy@gmail.com; markphip@gmail.com;
> users@subversion.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to
> hang
> Have you tried to reproduce the issue with command line clients provided
> by other vendors? See
> http://subversion.apache.org/packages.html#windows
Hadn't tried until now.
> Please also try with version 1.6.13, if possible.
I downloaded the most recent (1.6.13 at the time) command line client from Collabnet, tested it, same problem: insufficient resources.
We did some more tests, ran the update while running procmon, didn't fail. (WTF?!)
After running procmon, the issue didn't reappear on the machine we ran the tests on.
We're now investigating what running procmon changed on the machine. (Nothing was installed, just the exe from sysinternals was run)
Cheers,
Ulli
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Stefan Sperling <st...@elego.de>.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 08:14:24AM +0000, Ullrich.Jans@elektrobit.com wrote:
> TortoiseSVN works on both machines. (1.6.8, svn libs 1.6.11)
>
> Command line svn client creates the issue on machine B, not on machine A. Version of the command line client: 1.6.12, was also tested with 1.6.1
> The compiled command line binary was downloaded from http://alagazam.net/
Have you tried to reproduce the issue with command line clients provided
by other vendors? See http://subversion.apache.org/packages.html#windows
Please also try with version 1.6.13, if possible.
Thanks,
Stefan
RE: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Ul...@elektrobit.com.
Hi,
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Johan Corveleyn [mailto:jcorvel@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 1:24 PM
>
> Some quick questions from the hip:
> - What kind of disks are the working copies located on for machine A
> and B? Locally or remotely?
The disks are in all cases local hard drives, no sharing.
> - For A and B: are they 32-bit or 64-bit?
Both machines are 64 Bit machines, running XP 32 Bit
> - How big is the working copy we're talking about? Can you give an
> idea of the number of directories, the number of files, and the total
> disk space (excluding .svn dirs)?
The working copy is about 2.0 GB (according to Windows taking up 2.54 GB on disk), 158515 files, 33471 folders (excluding .svn folders).
I know this is large, but since it's working on one machine and not the other, it's still puzzling.
Cheers,
Ulli
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Johan Corveleyn <jc...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 10:14 AM, <Ul...@elektrobit.com> wrote:
> Hi.
>
>
>
> Now I'm getting bitten by this.
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Justin Johnson [mailto:justin@honesthacker.com]
>
>> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:39 PM
>
>> Subject: Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to
>
>> hang
>
>
>
> [...]
>
>
>
>> Interesting, none the less. Thank you.
>
>>
>
>> I was still planning on trying to get Symantec AV disabled for testing
>
>> purposes. Just posting my progress. :-)
>
>>
>
>> I'll post again with my results of that test, assuming I can convince
>> someone
>
>> to let me.
>
>
>
> In my case, disabling OfficeScan didn't help. I have the funny issue that
> two machines that are nearly identical except for the processor behave
> differently.
>
>
>
> Machine A: Intel Core2 Quad, 4 GB memory, running XP SP3: works.
>
> Machine B: Intel i7, 4 GB memory, running XP SP3: gets the issue with
> insufficient system resources.
>
>
>
> Findings we had:
>
>
>
> TortoiseSVN works on both machines. (1.6.8, svn libs 1.6.11)
>
> Command line svn client creates the issue on machine B, not on machine A.
> Version of the command line client: 1.6.12, was also tested with 1.6.1
>
> Disabling hyperthreading on machine B has no effect.
>
> Disabling TurboBoost on machine B has no effect.
>
> It’s not a memory problem – the machine did not run out of memory, according
> to the windows performance counters.
>
> Running vmware player on machine A, svn update crashes on the host, works on
> the guest.
>
> Windows doesn’t quite hang, when the screen locks, you can still try to log
> on as Administrator, which logs off the subversion user and causes the
> machine to recover.
>
>
>
> I’m running out of ideas what else to try to get it running.
>
>
>
> Versions:
>
>
>
> APR 1.3.9
>
> APR-util 1.3.9
>
> APR-ICONV 1.2.1
>
> Neon 0.28.6
>
> Berkeley DB 4.4.20
>
> OpenSSL 0.9.8o
>
> ZLib 1.2.3
>
> Apache 2.2.15
>
> Python 2.6
>
> libintl 0.14.1 (patched)
>
> Ruby 1.8.6
>
> Cyrus SASL 2.1.22
>
> serf 0.3.0
>
> sqlite 3.6.22
>
>
>
> The compiled command line binary was downloaded from http://alagazam.net/
Some quick questions from the hip:
- What kind of disks are the working copies located on for machine A
and B? Locally or remotely?
- For A and B: are they 32-bit or 64-bit?
- How big is the working copy we're talking about? Can you give an
idea of the number of directories, the number of files, and the total
disk space (excluding .svn dirs)?
Cheers,
--
Johan
RE: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Ul...@elektrobit.com.
Hi.
Now I'm getting bitten by this.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Justin Johnson [mailto:justin@honesthacker.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 26, 2009 9:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to
> hang
[...]
> Interesting, none the less. Thank you.
>
> I was still planning on trying to get Symantec AV disabled for testing
> purposes. Just posting my progress. :-)
>
> I'll post again with my results of that test, assuming I can convince someone
> to let me.
In my case, disabling OfficeScan didn't help. I have the funny issue that two machines that are nearly identical except for the processor behave differently.
Machine A: Intel Core2 Quad, 4 GB memory, running XP SP3: works.
Machine B: Intel i7, 4 GB memory, running XP SP3: gets the issue with insufficient system resources.
Findings we had:
TortoiseSVN works on both machines. (1.6.8, svn libs 1.6.11)
Command line svn client creates the issue on machine B, not on machine A. Version of the command line client: 1.6.12, was also tested with 1.6.1
Disabling hyperthreading on machine B has no effect.
Disabling TurboBoost on machine B has no effect.
It’s not a memory problem – the machine did not run out of memory, according to the windows performance counters.
Running vmware player on machine A, svn update crashes on the host, works on the guest.
Windows doesn’t quite hang, when the screen locks, you can still try to log on as Administrator, which logs off the subversion user and causes the machine to recover.
I’m running out of ideas what else to try to get it running.
Versions:
APR 1.3.9
APR-util 1.3.9
APR-ICONV 1.2.1
Neon 0.28.6
Berkeley DB 4.4.20
OpenSSL 0.9.8o
ZLib 1.2.3
Apache 2.2.15
Python 2.6
libintl 0.14.1 (patched)
Ruby 1.8.6
Cyrus SASL 2.1.22
serf 0.3.0
sqlite 3.6.22
The compiled command line binary was downloaded from http://alagazam.net/
Cheers,
Ulli
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 16:27, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Googling for this gives a lot of hits:
> >
> >> Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service.
> >
> > There is this item from the Microsoft KB:
> >
> > http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272568
>
> The OP is running XP SP3, the MSKB article says it's only applicable
> to NT4 and Win2K.
>
Interesting, none the less. Thank you.
I was still planning on trying to get Symantec AV disabled for testing
purposes. Just posting my progress. :-)
I'll post again with my results of that test, assuming I can convince
someone to let me.
Justin
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 16:27, Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com> wrote:
>
> Googling for this gives a lot of hits:
>
>> Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service.
>
> There is this item from the Microsoft KB:
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272568
The OP is running XP SP3, the MSKB article says it's only applicable
to NT4 and Win2K.
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Mark Phippard <ma...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com> wrote:
Googling for this gives a lot of hits:
> Insufficient system resources exist to complete the requested service.
There is this item from the Microsoft KB:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272568
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>.
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 16:26, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 15:26, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:32, Justin Johnson <
> justin@honesthacker.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6
> and
> >> >> > have 2
> >> >> > GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The
> >> >> > problem
> >> >> > below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from users
> I
> >> >> > support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the
> cut
> >> >> > off
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > though) when performing update or status operations from the top
> >> >> > level
> >> >> > of
> >> >> > the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing
> >> >> > windows
> >> >> > or
> >> >> > responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual
> >> >> > Subversion
> >> >> > operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the
> >> >> > operation.
> >> >> > Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these
> >> >> > large
> >> >> > working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two
> >> >> > updates
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > a row.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting
> >> >> > it
> >> >> > automatically reload.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
> >> >>
> >> >> I have a couple WCs in that size range (including the .svn
> >> >> directories) and haven't seen this with 1.6.x versions of SVN & TSVN.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm running XP SP2, not SP3, I don't know if that might be the
> >> >> difference. Laptop, 2GB RAM, 7200 RPM drive, lots of other stuff
> >> >> running.
> >> >>
> >> >> What antivirus are you using? They often treat command-line programs
> >> >> (svn.exe) differently from GUI apps (TSVN and its related utilities),
> >> >> which could be part of the issue.
> >> >
> >> > I saw the problem on SP2 as well.
> >> >
> >> > The problem happened with svn.exe, if TortoiseSVN's Status cache
> >> > preference
> >> > was set to Shell.
> >> >
> >> > I have Symantec Antivirus 10.1.7.7000 installed.
> >>
> >> Can you try disabling it? At the very least, tell it to ignore the
> >> .svn directories. I seem to recall that being one of the troublesome
> >> AVs.
> >
> > There's no chance that will happen where I work. I've tried to have that
> > conversation, but it went nowhere.
>
> So what you're saying is that policy is impeding you from doing your
> job. Policy isn't supposed to get in the way, it's supposed to make
> sure everything's done right without putting up unnecessary
> roadblocks.
>
> At the very least, you need to test it somehow to prove this theory.
> If you can document that the current configuration is in fact impeding
> your work, you'll have a lot more chance of making the change happen.
> Can you get a system that's nearly identical to yours, but without AV,
> to test on?
>
After testing further I have confirmed that this problem occurs even when I
completely uninstall TortoiseSVN.
First I updated one large working copy. Then I updated a second large
working copy. This second update failed with the following error.
svn: Can't check path 'some\dir\in\workingcopy\.svn\lock': Insufficient
system resources exist to complete the requested service.
Around the same time, the title bars in Windows Explorer windows stop
refreshing and get garbled looking as I drag them around.
When I tried to run "svn cleanup" I got a similar error.
svn: Can't open file 'some\dir\.svn\lock': Insufficient system resources
exist to complete the requested service.
After waiting a couple minutes I tried the cleanup again and it succeeded.
After closing the messed up Windows Explorer windows, if I open new Windows
Explorer windows they refresh correctly.
Is it possible this has to do with inefficient use of memory in Subversion,
so that certain memory runs low and Windows stops behaving properly?
Thanks,
Justin
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 16:26, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 15:26, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
>> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:32, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6 and
>> >> > have 2
>> >> > GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The
>> >> > problem
>> >> > below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from users I
>> >> > support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
>> >> >
>> >> > For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut
>> >> > off
>> >> > is
>> >> > though) when performing update or status operations from the top
>> >> > level
>> >> > of
>> >> > the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing
>> >> > windows
>> >> > or
>> >> > responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual
>> >> > Subversion
>> >> > operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the
>> >> > operation.
>> >> > Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these
>> >> > large
>> >> > working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two
>> >> > updates
>> >> > in
>> >> > a row.
>> >> >
>> >> > Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting
>> >> > it
>> >> > automatically reload.
>> >> >
>> >> > Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
>> >>
>> >> I have a couple WCs in that size range (including the .svn
>> >> directories) and haven't seen this with 1.6.x versions of SVN & TSVN.
>> >>
>> >> I'm running XP SP2, not SP3, I don't know if that might be the
>> >> difference. Laptop, 2GB RAM, 7200 RPM drive, lots of other stuff
>> >> running.
>> >>
>> >> What antivirus are you using? They often treat command-line programs
>> >> (svn.exe) differently from GUI apps (TSVN and its related utilities),
>> >> which could be part of the issue.
>> >
>> > I saw the problem on SP2 as well.
>> >
>> > The problem happened with svn.exe, if TortoiseSVN's Status cache
>> > preference
>> > was set to Shell.
>> >
>> > I have Symantec Antivirus 10.1.7.7000 installed.
>>
>> Can you try disabling it? At the very least, tell it to ignore the
>> .svn directories. I seem to recall that being one of the troublesome
>> AVs.
>
> There's no chance that will happen where I work. I've tried to have that
> conversation, but it went nowhere.
So what you're saying is that policy is impeding you from doing your
job. Policy isn't supposed to get in the way, it's supposed to make
sure everything's done right without putting up unnecessary
roadblocks.
At the very least, you need to test it somehow to prove this theory.
If you can document that the current configuration is in fact impeding
your work, you'll have a lot more chance of making the change happen.
Can you get a system that's nearly identical to yours, but without AV,
to test on?
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>.
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 15:26, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:32, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6 and
> >> > have 2
> >> > GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The
> problem
> >> > below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from users I
> >> > support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
> >> >
> >> > For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut
> off
> >> > is
> >> > though) when performing update or status operations from the top level
> >> > of
> >> > the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing
> windows
> >> > or
> >> > responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual
> >> > Subversion
> >> > operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the
> >> > operation.
> >> > Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these large
> >> > working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two
> updates
> >> > in
> >> > a row.
> >> >
> >> > Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting it
> >> > automatically reload.
> >> >
> >> > Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
> >>
> >> I have a couple WCs in that size range (including the .svn
> >> directories) and haven't seen this with 1.6.x versions of SVN & TSVN.
> >>
> >> I'm running XP SP2, not SP3, I don't know if that might be the
> >> difference. Laptop, 2GB RAM, 7200 RPM drive, lots of other stuff
> >> running.
> >>
> >> What antivirus are you using? They often treat command-line programs
> >> (svn.exe) differently from GUI apps (TSVN and its related utilities),
> >> which could be part of the issue.
> >
> > I saw the problem on SP2 as well.
> >
> > The problem happened with svn.exe, if TortoiseSVN's Status cache
> preference
> > was set to Shell.
> >
> > I have Symantec Antivirus 10.1.7.7000 installed.
>
> Can you try disabling it? At the very least, tell it to ignore the
> .svn directories. I seem to recall that being one of the troublesome
> AVs.
>
There's no chance that will happen where I work. I've tried to have that
conversation, but it went nowhere.
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 15:26, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:32, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
>> wrote:
>> > I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6 and
>> > have 2
>> > GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The problem
>> > below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from users I
>> > support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
>> >
>> > For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut off
>> > is
>> > though) when performing update or status operations from the top level
>> > of
>> > the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing windows
>> > or
>> > responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual
>> > Subversion
>> > operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the
>> > operation.
>> > Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these large
>> > working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two updates
>> > in
>> > a row.
>> >
>> > Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting it
>> > automatically reload.
>> >
>> > Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
>>
>> I have a couple WCs in that size range (including the .svn
>> directories) and haven't seen this with 1.6.x versions of SVN & TSVN.
>>
>> I'm running XP SP2, not SP3, I don't know if that might be the
>> difference. Laptop, 2GB RAM, 7200 RPM drive, lots of other stuff
>> running.
>>
>> What antivirus are you using? They often treat command-line programs
>> (svn.exe) differently from GUI apps (TSVN and its related utilities),
>> which could be part of the issue.
>
> I saw the problem on SP2 as well.
>
> The problem happened with svn.exe, if TortoiseSVN's Status cache preference
> was set to Shell.
>
> I have Symantec Antivirus 10.1.7.7000 installed.
Can you try disabling it? At the very least, tell it to ignore the
.svn directories. I seem to recall that being one of the troublesome
AVs.
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>.
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:32, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>
> wrote:
> > I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6 and
> have 2
> > GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The problem
> > below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from users I
> > support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
> >
> > For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut off
> is
> > though) when performing update or status operations from the top level of
> > the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing windows
> or
> > responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual Subversion
> > operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the
> operation.
> > Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these large
> > working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two updates
> in
> > a row.
> >
> > Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting it
> > automatically reload.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
>
> I have a couple WCs in that size range (including the .svn
> directories) and haven't seen this with 1.6.x versions of SVN & TSVN.
>
> I'm running XP SP2, not SP3, I don't know if that might be the
> difference. Laptop, 2GB RAM, 7200 RPM drive, lots of other stuff
> running.
>
> What antivirus are you using? They often treat command-line programs
> (svn.exe) differently from GUI apps (TSVN and its related utilities),
> which could be part of the issue.
>
I saw the problem on SP2 as well.
The problem happened with svn.exe, if TortoiseSVN's Status cache preference
was set to Shell.
I have Symantec Antivirus 10.1.7.7000 installed.
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 12:32, Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com> wrote:
> I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6 and have 2
> GB of RAM with nothing else running during the operations. The problem
> below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've heard reports from users I
> support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
>
> For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut off is
> though) when performing update or status operations from the top level of
> the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops refreshing windows or
> responding at all. This usually leads to errors in the actual Subversion
> operation, saying there aren't enough resources to complete the operation.
> Sometimes my VPN client disconnects part way through. For these large
> working copies I can usually reproduce the error with one or two updates in
> a row.
>
> Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting it
> automatically reload.
>
> Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
I have a couple WCs in that size range (including the .svn
directories) and haven't seen this with 1.6.x versions of SVN & TSVN.
I'm running XP SP2, not SP3, I don't know if that might be the
difference. Laptop, 2GB RAM, 7200 RPM drive, lots of other stuff
running.
What antivirus are you using? They often treat command-line programs
(svn.exe) differently from GUI apps (TSVN and its related utilities),
which could be part of the issue.
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com>.
There are no svn:externals in these working copies.
I had Status cache set to Shell. Now I changed it to None. So far I
haven't had the problem after making this change. I'll keep testing though
to make sure.
Justin
> I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6
> > and have 2 GB of RAM with nothing else running during the
> > operations. The problem below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've
> > heard reports from users I support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
> >
> > For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut
> > off is though) when performing update or status operations from the
> > top level of the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops
> > refreshing windows or responding at all. This usually leads to
> > errors in the actual Subversion operation, saying there aren't
> > enough resources to complete the operation. Sometimes my VPN client
> > disconnects part way through. For these large working copies I can
> > usually reproduce the error with one or two updates in a row.
> >
> > Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting
> > it automatically reload.
> >
> > Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
>
> Are you referencing a large number of svn:external properties in
> your working copy? I recently submitted a patch to address
> an issue where TCP connections were not cleaned up until process
> exit. This problem caused similar "lockup" behavior under
> Windows. This patch did not make it into 1.6.6.
>
> You may want to try and disable the TortoiseSVN icon cache process as well,
> since it can bog things down on large working copies. (I don't
> consider 1.2G all that large though.)
>
> Kevin R.
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Re: Update and Status in large working copy causes Windows to hang
Posted by km...@rockwellcollins.com.
Justin Johnson <ju...@honesthacker.com> wrote on 10/23/2009 11:32:42 AM:
> I am running Windows XP SP3 with Subversion and TortoiseSVN 1.6.6
> and have 2 GB of RAM with nothing else running during the
> operations. The problem below has also been seen in 1.6.3 and I've
> heard reports from users I support that they've seen this in 1.5.x.
>
> For sufficiently large working copies (1.2 GB, not sure what the cut
> off is though) when performing update or status operations from the
> top level of the working copy, Windows Explorer locks up and stops
> refreshing windows or responding at all. This usually leads to
> errors in the actual Subversion operation, saying there aren't
> enough resources to complete the operation. Sometimes my VPN client
> disconnects part way through. For these large working copies I can
> usually reproduce the error with one or two updates in a row.
>
> Sometimes I can clear it up by killing Windows Explorer and letting
> it automatically reload.
>
> Has anyone else seen issues like this? Is this a memory leak?
Are you referencing a large number of svn:external properties in
your working copy? I recently submitted a patch to address
an issue where TCP connections were not cleaned up until process
exit. This problem caused similar "lockup" behavior under
Windows. This patch did not make it into 1.6.6.
You may want to try and disable the TortoiseSVN icon cache process as
well,
since it can bog things down on large working copies. (I don't
consider 1.2G all that large though.)
Kevin R.
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