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Posted to dev@commons.apache.org by Martin Poeschl <mp...@marmot.at> on 2003/02/13 17:02:23 UTC
[vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to db.apache.org
I would like to move the following packages to db.apache.org
o commons-sql
o commons-dbcp
o commons-dbutils
should we move them to db-commons or should they become db subprojects??
we can use irc.werken.com#db to discuss
martin
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
db.apache.org
Posted by Henri Yandell <ba...@generationjava.com>.
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Robert Leland wrote:
> Costin Manolache wrote:
> > Martin Poeschl wrote:
> >
> >
> >>as the name indicates db.apache.org is for db related projects.
> >>the db project is new but people will look for db related stuff there
> >>and not at jakarta-commons .. so it makes sense to move the projects to
> >>db.apache.com
> >
> >
> >
> > And people who are already use it will look for it in jakarta-commons.
> >
> > I know tomcat uses ( and bundles ) commons-dbcp.jar, and I would preffer
> > it remains in jakarta-commons. For the others - I don't care.
>
> It seems keeping the package name org.apache.commond.dbcp is the most
> important, for now.
>
> Automatically redirecting the page
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/dbcp.html to
> db.apache.org/dbcp should be trasparent.
And how do you propose that email to Jakarta Commons Users/Dev be
redirected?
Hen
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
db.apache.org
Posted by Robert Leland <rl...@apache.org>.
Costin Manolache wrote:
> Robert Leland wrote:
>
>
>>Costin Manolache wrote:
>>
>>>Martin Poeschl wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>as the name indicates db.apache.org is for db related projects.
>>>>the db project is new but people will look for db related stuff there
>>>>and not at jakarta-commons .. so it makes sense to move the projects to
>>>>db.apache.com
>
> Again - why should we do this ?
I assume this was proposed to conform to the
Apache wide reorginization, that has been
happening over the last few months.
Organizing by functionality not by language.
Probably approved by a vote of PMC.
+1, I see it as opening our windows to let some
fresh air, and ideas in.
Also look at:
http://commons.apache.org/
It look like there will be a reorganization
of all commons components.
>
> At this moment I'm -1 for commons-dbcp.jar, and -0 on the others.
> Moving code for the sake of moving code is wrong - you won't increase
> the community or the quality of the code by moving it.
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
db.apache.org
Posted by Martin Poeschl <mp...@marmot.at>.
Costin Manolache wrote:
>Robert Leland wrote:
>
>
>
>>Costin Manolache wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Martin Poeschl wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>as the name indicates db.apache.org is for db related projects.
>>>>the db project is new but people will look for db related stuff there
>>>>and not at jakarta-commons .. so it makes sense to move the projects to
>>>>db.apache.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>And people who are already use it will look for it in jakarta-commons.
>>>
and will be redirected to the new site ;-)
most people look for torque at the turbine site...
most people look for ant at the jakarta site ...
it's good to cross-link the projects to make it easier to find them ...
>>>
>>>I know tomcat uses ( and bundles ) commons-dbcp.jar, and I would preffer
>>>it remains in jakarta-commons. For the others - I don't care.
>>>
>>>
>>It seems keeping the package name org.apache.commond.dbcp is the most
>>important, for now.
>>
>>Automatically redirecting the page
>>http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/dbcp.html to
>>db.apache.org/dbcp should be trasparent.
>>
>>
>
>Again - why should we do this ?
>
>At this moment I'm -1 for commons-dbcp.jar, and -0 on the others.
>Moving code for the sake of moving code is wrong - you won't increase
>the community or the quality of the code by moving it.
>
grouping projects by functionality is the right step to form new communities
>Since commons-dbcp.jar is used by at least one jakarta project - I need more
>arguments on the benefits of such a move.
>
it's also used by torque
The Jakarta Project creates and maintains open source solutions on the
Java platform for distribution to the public at no charge.
DB is a Project of the Apache Software Foundation
<http://db.apache.org/#Apache%20Software%20Foundation> , charged with
the creation and maintenance of commercial-quality, open-source,
database solutions based on software licensed to the Foundation, for
distribution at no charge to the public.
where would you go first if you are looking for a db connection pool????
martin
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to db.apache.org
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
Robert Leland wrote:
> Costin Manolache wrote:
>> Martin Poeschl wrote:
>>
>>
>>>as the name indicates db.apache.org is for db related projects.
>>>the db project is new but people will look for db related stuff there
>>>and not at jakarta-commons .. so it makes sense to move the projects to
>>>db.apache.com
>>
>>
>>
>> And people who are already use it will look for it in jakarta-commons.
>>
>> I know tomcat uses ( and bundles ) commons-dbcp.jar, and I would preffer
>> it remains in jakarta-commons. For the others - I don't care.
>
> It seems keeping the package name org.apache.commond.dbcp is the most
> important, for now.
>
> Automatically redirecting the page
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/dbcp.html to
> db.apache.org/dbcp should be trasparent.
Again - why should we do this ?
At this moment I'm -1 for commons-dbcp.jar, and -0 on the others.
Moving code for the sake of moving code is wrong - you won't increase
the community or the quality of the code by moving it.
Since commons-dbcp.jar is used by at least one jakarta project - I need more
arguments on the benefits of such a move.
Costin
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
db.apache.org
Posted by Robert Leland <rl...@apache.org>.
Costin Manolache wrote:
> Martin Poeschl wrote:
>
>
>>as the name indicates db.apache.org is for db related projects.
>>the db project is new but people will look for db related stuff there
>>and not at jakarta-commons .. so it makes sense to move the projects to
>>db.apache.com
>
>
>
> And people who are already use it will look for it in jakarta-commons.
>
> I know tomcat uses ( and bundles ) commons-dbcp.jar, and I would preffer
> it remains in jakarta-commons. For the others - I don't care.
It seems keeping the package name org.apache.commond.dbcp is the most
important, for now.
Automatically redirecting the page
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/dbcp.html to
db.apache.org/dbcp should be trasparent.
-Rob
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to db.apache.org
Posted by Costin Manolache <cm...@yahoo.com>.
Martin Poeschl wrote:
> as the name indicates db.apache.org is for db related projects.
> the db project is new but people will look for db related stuff there
> and not at jakarta-commons .. so it makes sense to move the projects to
> db.apache.com
And people who are already use it will look for it in jakarta-commons.
I know tomcat uses ( and bundles ) commons-dbcp.jar, and I would preffer
it remains in jakarta-commons. For the others - I don't care.
Costin
> martin
>
> Juozas Baliuka wrote:
>
>>Why do we need to move commons-dbcp ?
>>Is it new, more active community for commons-dbcp in db.apache.org ?
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Martin Poeschl" <mp...@marmot.at>
>>To: <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
>>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:02 PM
>>Subject: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
>>db.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I would like to move the following packages to db.apache.org
>>>
>>>o commons-sql
>>>o commons-dbcp
>>>o commons-dbutils
>>>
>>>should we move them to db-commons or should they become db subprojects??
>>>
>>>we can use irc.werken.com#db to discuss
>>>
>>>martin
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to db.apache.org
Posted by Juozas Baliuka <ba...@centras.lt>.
I think link can be added from db.apache.org to commons-dbcp, I do not
think it is good idea to move dbcp at this time, but I see no problems for
sandbox components, It can make them more public.
> as the name indicates db.apache.org is for db related projects.
> the db project is new but people will look for db related stuff there
> and not at jakarta-commons .. so it makes sense to move the projects to
> db.apache.com
>
> martin
>
> Juozas Baliuka wrote:
>
> >Why do we need to move commons-dbcp ?
> >Is it new, more active community for commons-dbcp in db.apache.org ?
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Martin Poeschl" <mp...@marmot.at>
> >To: <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:02 PM
> >Subject: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
> >db.apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>I would like to move the following packages to db.apache.org
> >>
> >>o commons-sql
> >>o commons-dbcp
> >>o commons-dbutils
> >>
> >>should we move them to db-commons or should they become db subprojects??
> >>
> >>we can use irc.werken.com#db to discuss
> >>
> >>martin
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
db.apache.org
Posted by Martin Poeschl <mp...@marmot.at>.
as the name indicates db.apache.org is for db related projects.
the db project is new but people will look for db related stuff there
and not at jakarta-commons .. so it makes sense to move the projects to
db.apache.com
martin
Juozas Baliuka wrote:
>Why do we need to move commons-dbcp ?
>Is it new, more active community for commons-dbcp in db.apache.org ?
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Martin Poeschl" <mp...@marmot.at>
>To: <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
>Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:02 PM
>Subject: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
>db.apache.org
>
>
>
>
>>I would like to move the following packages to db.apache.org
>>
>>o commons-sql
>>o commons-dbcp
>>o commons-dbutils
>>
>>should we move them to db-commons or should they become db subprojects??
>>
>>we can use irc.werken.com#db to discuss
>>
>>martin
>>
>>
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to db.apache.org
Posted by Juozas Baliuka <ba...@centras.lt>.
Why do we need to move commons-dbcp ?
Is it new, more active community for commons-dbcp in db.apache.org ?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Poeschl" <mp...@marmot.at>
To: <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 6:02 PM
Subject: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
db.apache.org
> I would like to move the following packages to db.apache.org
>
> o commons-sql
> o commons-dbcp
> o commons-dbutils
>
> should we move them to db-commons or should they become db subprojects??
>
> we can use irc.werken.com#db to discuss
>
> martin
>
>
>
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
db.apache.org
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 11:59, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
>
> What is the plan for existing committers on these packages? Do they
> become committers on db as well?
Most certainly :-)
> > martin
> >
>
> Craig McClanahan
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
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Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Martin Poeschl wrote:
> Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 17:02:23 +0100
> From: Martin Poeschl <mp...@marmot.at>
> Reply-To: Jakarta Commons Developers List <co...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: commons-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: [vote] moving commons-sql,
> commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to db.apache.org
>
> I would like to move the following packages to db.apache.org
>
> o commons-sql
> o commons-dbcp
> o commons-dbutils
>
> should we move them to db-commons or should they become db subprojects??
>
> we can use irc.werken.com#db to discuss
>
What is the plan for existing committers on these packages? Do they
become committers on db as well?
> martin
>
Craig McClanahan
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to
db.apache.org
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 11:02, Martin Poeschl wrote:
> I would like to move the following packages to db.apache.org
>
> o commons-sql
> o commons-dbcp
> o commons-dbutils
+1
> should we move them to db-commons or should they become db subprojects??
>
> we can use irc.werken.com#db to discuss
>
> martin
>
>
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Re: [vote] moving commons-sql, commons-dbcp and commons-dbutils to db.apache.org
Posted by robert burrell donkin <ro...@blueyonder.co.uk>.
i'm not a committer for any of these components but if they are going to
be moved, i'd much prefer them to be moved into db-commons rather than
making them db subprojects.
BTW if someone over in db-land wants to create a website, i'll gladly
create a link from the jakarta commons nav bar.
- robert
On Thursday, February 13, 2003, at 04:02 PM, Martin Poeschl wrote:
> I would like to move the following packages to db.apache.org
>
> o commons-sql
> o commons-dbcp
> o commons-dbutils
>
> should we move them to db-commons or should they become db subprojects??
>
> we can use irc.werken.com#db to discuss
>
> martin
>
>
>
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