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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by Steffen <in...@apachelounge.com> on 2012/01/16 13:31:10 UTC
Re: ******* Re: Time for 2.4.0 GA??
Thanks for the understanding.
Experience is that win issues hardly land in the status. Mostly the answer is make a bug report, and it is of the table and sitting as reported bug for a very long time. Take for example the serious bug from Mario about the balancer in 2.3. An other are the mod_fcgid bugs.
Also I cannot believe that eg the rewrite p issue was/is(?) only win.
I propose that the ASF is also going to run windows on one of the heavier/complex sites !! Maybe a vote on that can started. Please consider.
Steffen
Op 16 jan. 2012 om 06:15 heeft Sander Temme <sc...@apache.org> het volgende geschreven:
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> On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:24 AM, Steffen wrote:
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>> We have at least 4 hard bugs in 2.3.16. Known for a long time, and no need to exposure more for these.
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> Are they listed in STATUS under the Release Showstoppers section? That currently only lists the need to remove undocumented modules as showstopper, and I believe we have even booked some progress on that one. Going by STATUS, things do indeed look stable, good and happy.
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> This is not so much for folks like yourself who are intimately familiar with these bugs, but more for the rest of us who don't use Windows and may never encounter the problems.
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>> Fine a GA, with a big note that it is not ready for Windows and advising to run 2.2.21 as proven stable.
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> I would hate that: we have lots of users on Windows and I'd like to enable them to use the latest, greatest.
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> S.
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>> So not happy with 2.4.
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>> Op 11 jan. 2012 om 16:37 heeft Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com> het volgende geschreven:
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>>> Things look stable.
>>> Things look good.
>>> Things look happy.
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>>> Sooooo are we ready to finally make this happen??
>>> I offer to RM.
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Re: 2.4.0 T&R happening today…
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
It will be GA.
On Jan 16, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Tom Evans wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
>> I will be doing the T&R of Apache httpd 2.4.0 later on today...
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>> w00t!
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> Sorry to be a user poking in to the dev list, but will 2.4.0 be GA, or
> will GA be a later release in the 2.4 series?
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> Cheers
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> Tom
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Re: 2.4.0 T&R happening today…
Posted by Tom Evans <te...@googlemail.com>.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 2:47 PM, Jim Jagielski <ji...@jagunet.com> wrote:
> I will be doing the T&R of Apache httpd 2.4.0 later on today...
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> w00t!
Sorry to be a user poking in to the dev list, but will 2.4.0 be GA, or
will GA be a later release in the 2.4 series?
Cheers
Tom
2.4.0 T&R happening today…
Posted by Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>.
I will be doing the T&R of Apache httpd 2.4.0 later on today...
w00t!
Re: ******* Re: Time for 2.4.0 GA??
Posted by Steffen <in...@apachelounge.com>.
Unbelievable this answer, I am stimulating users to use it and with success. I feel, you are accusing me here and the windows community. No problem, we are continuing to let you know what issues we discover. In principal up to you how you handle issues Keep in mind we are just users, no dev's.
When you and other dev's should participate at AL, should be good for the two worlds.
So no way that the ASF would run a windows site, pity.
For example I think Mario described the balancer issue quite good, but see no attention for a long time. More examples if you want. The former ipv6 issues is the winner, years before some give attention, even we (sob) supplied a fix. Also mod_fcgid has a fix provided by Mario, also not picked up. AL is providing a mod_fcgid binary with three fixes, so at some point we can solve things by ourselves.
I already agreed to 2.4 GA, why wait so long. Not me is delaying.
2.3 is already in hands/running of at least a few thousands users for quite some time. Based on the number of downloads and the good/bad reports we get. Special the PHP community is a big downloader and use. Enough to see how 2.4 should go. I think 2.3 is great, some has bad luck with eg. no ssl usable.
To run 2.3 without SSL issues, 2.2 in front(proxy) overcomes it. So no hurry to solve the issue.
Steffen
Op 16 jan. 2012 om 13:07 heeft Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm> het volgende geschreven:
> On 16 Jan 2012, at 2:31 PM, Steffen wrote:
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>> Thanks for the understanding.
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>> Experience is that win issues hardly land in the status. Mostly the answer is make a bug report, and it is of the table and sitting as reported bug for a very long time. Take for example the serious bug from Mario about the balancer in 2.3. An other are the mod_fcgid bugs.
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>> Also I cannot believe that eg the rewrite p issue was/is(?) only win.
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>> I propose that the ASF is also going to run windows on one of the heavier/complex sites !! Maybe a vote on that can started. Please consider.
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> The best way to find and fix the Windows bugs is to get the code into the hands of the Windows users, and to do that we must release v2.4.0 as soon as possible.
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> Trying to delay the release indefinitely until an arbitrary list of bugs is fixed is counterproductive - you're just keeping the code out of the hands of those who are able to either describe the problem in enough detail that it can be reproduced, or those who could potentially fix the problem and submit the fix to us.
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> The "dot zero" in "2.4.0" is well understood.
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> Regards,
> Graham
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Re: ******* Re: Time for 2.4.0 GA??
Posted by Graham Leggett <mi...@sharp.fm>.
On 16 Jan 2012, at 2:31 PM, Steffen wrote:
> Thanks for the understanding.
>
> Experience is that win issues hardly land in the status. Mostly the answer is make a bug report, and it is of the table and sitting as reported bug for a very long time. Take for example the serious bug from Mario about the balancer in 2.3. An other are the mod_fcgid bugs.
>
> Also I cannot believe that eg the rewrite p issue was/is(?) only win.
>
> I propose that the ASF is also going to run windows on one of the heavier/complex sites !! Maybe a vote on that can started. Please consider.
The best way to find and fix the Windows bugs is to get the code into the hands of the Windows users, and to do that we must release v2.4.0 as soon as possible.
Trying to delay the release indefinitely until an arbitrary list of bugs is fixed is counterproductive - you're just keeping the code out of the hands of those who are able to either describe the problem in enough detail that it can be reproduced, or those who could potentially fix the problem and submit the fix to us.
The "dot zero" in "2.4.0" is well understood.
Regards,
Graham
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Re: ******* Re: Time for 2.4.0 GA??
Posted by Eric Covener <co...@gmail.com>.
> Also I cannot believe that eg the rewrite p issue was/is(?) only win.
It wasn't windows-only.