Re: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2482

[Ernie Rael <er...@raelity.com>]

After requesting a /fast track/ PR, I reported back when the hopefully 
last beta was released. Part of that report indicated issues I had with 
the PR process; full context at the end, but to clarify my statement...

After a hold was put on the PR, and vigorous back and forth over /two 
days/ mostly clarifying your inaccurate and misleading statements (which 
did help me solidify a broader understanding of the issue) you said 
"What I'm missing is an analysis what is the underlying the problem". So 
I provided one, which you proceeded to ignore for /three//days/.

At this point it was clear that this was a /zero risk PR to a class that 
NetBeans didn't use/.

You could have said something like "I don't like this and certainly not 
for 12.1". Rather you ghosted and let the clock run out. I don't expect 
anything from you, but some courtesy is appreciated; IMHO, acting 
professionally is not about getting paid.

-ernie


On 10/30/2020 12:45 PM, Matthias Bläsing wrote:
> Am Freitag, den 30.10.2020, 12:37 -0700 schrieb Ernie Rael:
>> Last time I checked I'm not being paid
>> to work on netbeans. Even in my day job, such a request would be
>> appropriate for a small subset of situations and surely not for a
>> problem that persistet a long time.
> Not sure what you're talking about here. Are you saying small problems
> shouldn't be fixed?
>
>
> No I read your sentence:
>
> "no change was requested, it just ended with no responses."
>
> as:
>
> "I should have gotten a quicker response."
>
> And I strongly disagree with this expectation, regarding my time
> budget.
>
> Greetings
>
> Matthias
>
===== full context =====

> On 10/24/2020 7:13 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
>> Well, let's circulate this one for a while and see what others can 
>> add to this one.
>>
>> A system property that can change how the system works is an API 
>> (SPI), so this one as well. It seems to be harmless, but at least 
>> needs to be documented.
>>
>> I can be convinced, my opinion on this PR in the current form is -0, 
>> with documentation +0
>>
>> If you can get some community support behind that, then I'd merge.
>>
>>
> The most technically interesting thing I found out is that 
> editor.lib's BaseCaret, which this PR tweaks, is *no longer used in 
> NetBeans*. Apparently it's superseded by editor.lib2's EditorCaret; 
> which also has the drawing glitch (commentary to the contrary).
>
> And I was wrong about the change being considered an API; it's just 
> not a signature API, my bad. So it's documented in the fashion of a 
> ClientProperty.
>
> I'm not sure what to make of this PR's comment process. The PR was 
> blocked asking for changes, and after a vigorous discussion (mostly 
> dealing with miss-information), no change was requested, it just ended 
> with no responses.
>
> I've been looking for a workaround. My latest attempt is a suitable 
> Halloween nightmare involving maven, ant, yenta, and a 
> NoClassDefFoundError.
>
> -ernie 


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Re: https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/2482

[Matthias Bläsing <mb...@doppel-helix.eu>]

Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 01.11.2020, 08:20 -0800 schrieb Ernie Rael:
> You could have said something like "I don't like this and certainly not 
> for 12.1". Rather you ghosted and let the clock run out. I don't expect 
> anything from you, but some courtesy is appreciated; IMHO, acting 
> professionally is not about getting paid.

I put serious time into this, if that is not enough for you, IMHO you
expect to much. I'm in no way required to reply in a fixed time frame
or even react at all. I will not let you force me to plan around your
requirements.

I added a final comment to the github PR, that suggests a potential fix
without touching API.

Matthias


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