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Fwd: Custom scopes
Hi guys,
I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not Java,
but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java like.
But the others have different naming:
RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
SYSTEM doesn't exist
I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name convention.
How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
Any one can help me?
VELO
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
I know one or two things about it. I wrote one of the two maven
plugins for it. (http://israfil-mojo.googlecode.com)But you're
talking slightly differently, since these aren't scopes, they're
linking choices. And some have to do with your deployment and some
have to do with your build. Maven only handles the build - you still
have to configure how you want to deploy it (as an RSL, or compile
your swcs into your .swf). This doesn't map to dependency scopes the
way you're trying to do.
The maven-flex-plugin I mention above handles .swc projects which
produce artifacts which can then be listed as dependencies in other
swc or swf projects. Then there's a goal for copying in swfs
into .war projects so they can be hosted in webapps. (It doesn't yet
support Air - that's under discusion).
I'm cross-posting this to the other list. If you want, send your
compiler command-lines, and I can help you configure the plugins to
achieve the same or equivalent result.
Christian.
On 14-Mar-08, at 16:04 , VELO wrote:
> In Flex, we have 5 scopes....
>
> Merged (Like compile)
> External (Like provided)
> Include (Do compile + copy all class from this dependency into my
> output file)
> Runtime (Like provided)
> Caching (Like provided)
>
> I use different names to allow me call the right parameter on the
> compiler.
>
> I can't use all as provided because the compilation parameter not is
> the same.
>
> I don't know if you know Adobe Flex, is a little hard to explain
> without a big intro.
>
>
> VELO
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
>> think
>> of use-cases:
>>
>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
>> 2. Need only for compile.
>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
>> 4. Provided locally for compile
>> 5. Need only during testing
>>
>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for? These
>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
>>
>> Christian.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
>>> since
>>> it's a core concept.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
>>>
>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
>>> scopes,
>>> I wanna this scopes"?
>>>
>>>
>>> VELO
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
>>>> thing,
>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
>>>> provided
>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
>>>> runtime
>>>> will provide the dependency.
>>>>
>>>> Christian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
>>>>> Java,
>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
>>>>>
>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
>>> like.
>>>>> But the others have different naming:
>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
>>>>> convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any one can help me?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VELO
>>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by VELO <ve...@gmail.com>.
In Flex, we have 5 scopes....
Merged (Like compile)
External (Like provided)
Include (Do compile + copy all class from this dependency into my output file)
Runtime (Like provided)
Caching (Like provided)
I use different names to allow me call the right parameter on the compiler.
I can't use all as provided because the compilation parameter not is the same.
I don't know if you know Adobe Flex, is a little hard to explain
without a big intro.
VELO
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
<ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope, think
> of use-cases:
>
> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> 2. Need only for compile.
> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> 4. Provided locally for compile
> 5. Need only during testing
>
> What other scenarios would your other language have need for? These
> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
>
> Christian.
>
>
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
>
> > Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins since
> > it's a core concept.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> >
> > And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your scopes,
> > I wanna this scopes"?
> >
> >
> > VELO
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java thing,
> >> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is provided
> >> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate runtime
> >> will provide the dependency.
> >>
> >> Christian.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>>
> >>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not Java,
> >>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >>>
> >>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
> > like.
> >>> But the others have different naming:
> >>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> >>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> >>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >>>
> >>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> >>> convention.
> >>>
> >>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> >>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
> >>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >>>
> >>> Any one can help me?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> VELO
> >>>
> >>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
Yeah, I have to really dig into Toolchains. I was somewhat following
the list, but really need to look at the docs to adequately understand
it, and how it might affect the flex plugin.
But it would be good if we could take my list of 5 and generalize
other use-cases (into language-neutral terms, thought probably with
language-specific illustrations) and make those as recommendations for
support in the 2.1 process. I'm a little hard-pressed to see that
many more generalized use-cases though, and often I've seen people try
to use this kind of scope for something it wasn't intended, as I
suspect is the case here with Velo's effort.
Christian.
On 14-Mar-08, at 16:31 , Shane Isbell wrote:
> I think anyone developing plugins for languages other than Java is
> going to
> run into similar problems. We should discuss and hash out the general
> issues. A fair amount of what NMaven does is not .NET specific, so
> we can
> come up with generalized interfaces, common components and patterns.
> Also
> you should check out the toolchain support in the upcoming 2.0.9
> release :
> http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVEN/Toolchains
>
> Shane
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
>> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
>> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I may
>> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't completely
>> figured that out.
>>
>> Christian.
>>
>> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some
>>> issues
>>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules,
>>> or
>>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies,
>>> they
>>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
>>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
>>> but the
>>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
>>>
>>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
>>> case, I use
>>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency
>>> with
>>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
>>>
>>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
>>> of the
>>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
>>>
>>> Shane
>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
>>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
>>>> think
>>>> of use-cases:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
>>>> 2. Need only for compile.
>>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
>>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
>>>> 5. Need only during testing
>>>>
>>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
>>>> These
>>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
>>>>
>>>> Christian.
>>>>
>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
>>>>> since
>>>>> it's a core concept.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
>>>>>
>>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
>>>>> scopes,
>>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VELO
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
>>>>>> provided
>>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>> will provide the dependency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
>>>>>>> Java,
>>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
>>>>> like.
>>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
>>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
>>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
>>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
>>>>>>> convention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
>>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any one can help me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VELO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Shane Isbell <sh...@gmail.com>.
I think anyone developing plugins for languages other than Java is going to
run into similar problems. We should discuss and hash out the general
issues. A fair amount of what NMaven does is not .NET specific, so we can
come up with generalized interfaces, common components and patterns. Also
you should check out the toolchain support in the upcoming 2.0.9 release :
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVEN/Toolchains
Shane
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I may
> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't completely
> figured that out.
>
> Christian.
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some
> > issues
> > with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules, or
> > linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies,
> > they
> > need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> > artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
> > but the
> > behavior is different depending on artifact type.
> >
> > There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
> > case, I use
> > a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency with
> > dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
> >
> > So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
> > of the
> > dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
> >
> > Shane
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> > christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
> >> think
> >> of use-cases:
> >>
> >> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> >> 2. Need only for compile.
> >> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> >> 4. Provided locally for compile
> >> 5. Need only during testing
> >>
> >> What other scenarios would your other language have need for? These
> >> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
> >>
> >> Christian.
> >>
> >> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
> >>> since
> >>> it's a core concept.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> >>> To: Maven Developers List
> >>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> >>>
> >>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
> >>> scopes,
> >>> I wanna this scopes"?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> VELO
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> >>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
> >>>> thing,
> >>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
> >>>> provided
> >>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
> >>>> runtime
> >>>> will provide the dependency.
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
> >>>>> Java,
> >>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
> >>> like.
> >>>>> But the others have different naming:
> >>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> >>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> >>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> >>>>> convention.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> >>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
> >>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any one can help me?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> VELO
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
Now I get it. You seemed familiar, but my brain wasn't kicking in.
RSL support is certainly something I'm trying to work through, but I
don't think scopes is how it'll happen. I think it'll rather be types
in the dependency declaration, as Shane suggested, where some scopes
may or may not make sense.
Christian.
On 14-Mar-08, at 21:42 , Marvin Froeder wrote:
> Yes, I'm a user.... and I spend some time editing the code =D
>
> I use since 1.0 (not sure, before code.google site)
>
> I need to extends RSL support, because that I'm studing, changing and
> asking here =D
>
>
> VELO
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> This is slightly determined by teh plugin. Maven doesn't really
>> clarify this point. I think the latter is probably the more
>> accurate.
>>
>> They're slightly related, though, because, for example, a type will
>> have a default implicit scope based on its meaning. A .ear is a
>> packaging type, for example, so the way dependencies are handled if
>> you depended on a .ear would be different (potentailly) than the way
>> you would handle things if it were a .jar. Scope provides hints, but
>> not all scopes are applicable to all situations. For example, the
>> runtime scope or provided scope is mostly meaningless to a .swc,
>> because .swcs are statically linked into .swfs. (simplification, but
>> just to make the point.)
>>
>> Anyway, have you tried the maven-flex-plugin? Ping me offline and
>> I'll help you set it up.
>>
>> Christian.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14-Mar-08, at 18:37 , VELO wrote:
>>
>>> So, is possible =D
>>>
>>> Let me do a question.
>>>
>>> I can't do configurations like this to scopes, right?!
>>>
>>> Well, a dependency has 2 attributes. Scope and type.
>>>
>>> In my original thought is:
>>> type is related to dependency's type;
>>> scope is related to dependency's usage.
>>>
>>> Are this thought wrong?
>>>
>>> What mean the type? When I say <type>swc</type>:
>>> I say this dependency kind is a SWC? Or
>>> I say this dependency is used like a SWC?
>>>
>>> I always think on the type related to kind and the scope related to
>>> usage.
>>>
>>> Can anyone give some light on this?
>>>
>>>
>>> VELO
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Shane Isbell
>>> <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> That's the default behavior of Maven: extension = type. You can the
>>>> mapping
>>>> through an entry in a components.xml file. For example,
>>>>
>>>> <component>
>>>> <role>org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.ArtifactHandler</role>
>>>> <role-hint>dotnet:gac</role-hint>
>>>>
>>>> <
>>>> implementation
>>>>> org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.DefaultArtifactHandler</
>>>> implementation>
>>>> <configuration>
>>>> <extension>dll</extension>
>>>> <type>dotnet:gac</type>
>>>> <addedToClasspath>true</addedToClasspath>
>>>> </configuration>
>>>> </component>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:00 PM, VELO <ve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just a question from a noobie.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I change the type, I'm pointing to a different file or to the
>>>>> same?
>>>>> I always think in the type as the extension.
>>>>> <type>swc</type> means aFile.swc
>>>>>
>>>>> Right? Wrong? +-?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VELO
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Shane Isbell <shane.isbell@gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Multiple artifact types can all match to the same artifact. By
>>>>>> using the
>>>>>> dependency/type you can change behavior, like whether it is
>>>>>> transitive
>>>> or if
>>>>>> it should be linked or compiled, etc. There is no need to muck
>>>>>> around
>>>> with
>>>>>> scopes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Shane
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle
>>>>>>> deployment.
>>>>>>> Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip
>>>>>>> file,
>>>>>>> it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-
>>>>>>> artifact-
>>>>>>> per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven
>>>>>>> dev
>>>>>>> list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But to compile, you need the SWC.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as
>>>>>>>> external or
>>>>>>>> as runtime or as merged....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> VELO
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>>>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking
>>>>>>>>> approach
>>>>>>>>> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as
>>>>>>>>> libraries. I
>>>> may
>>>>>>>>> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't
>>>> completely
>>>>>>>>> figured that out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run
>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>>>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like
>>>>>>>>>> netmodules,
>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive
>>>> dependencies,
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
>>>>>>>>>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same
>>>>>>>>>> scope
>>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> case, I use
>>>>>>>>>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact
>>>>>>>>>> dependency
>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact
>>>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Shane
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
>>>>>>>>>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of
>>>>>>>>>>> scope,
>>>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>>>> of use-cases:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Need only for compile.
>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
>>>>>>>>>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
>>>>>>>>>>> 5. Need only during testing
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need
>>>>>>>>>>> for?
>>>>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>>>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency
>>>> scopes.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> plugins
>>>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a core concept.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>> scopes,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> VELO
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will provide the dependency.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (COMPILE) is
>>>> Java
>>>>>>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> convention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the
>>>> maven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> types
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any one can help me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> VELO
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Marvin Froeder <m...@rvin.info>.
Yes, I'm a user.... and I spend some time editing the code =D
I use since 1.0 (not sure, before code.google site)
I need to extends RSL support, because that I'm studing, changing and
asking here =D
VELO
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
<ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is slightly determined by teh plugin. Maven doesn't really
> clarify this point. I think the latter is probably the more accurate.
>
> They're slightly related, though, because, for example, a type will
> have a default implicit scope based on its meaning. A .ear is a
> packaging type, for example, so the way dependencies are handled if
> you depended on a .ear would be different (potentailly) than the way
> you would handle things if it were a .jar. Scope provides hints, but
> not all scopes are applicable to all situations. For example, the
> runtime scope or provided scope is mostly meaningless to a .swc,
> because .swcs are statically linked into .swfs. (simplification, but
> just to make the point.)
>
> Anyway, have you tried the maven-flex-plugin? Ping me offline and
> I'll help you set it up.
>
> Christian.
>
>
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 18:37 , VELO wrote:
>
> > So, is possible =D
> >
> > Let me do a question.
> >
> > I can't do configurations like this to scopes, right?!
> >
> > Well, a dependency has 2 attributes. Scope and type.
> >
> > In my original thought is:
> > type is related to dependency's type;
> > scope is related to dependency's usage.
> >
> > Are this thought wrong?
> >
> > What mean the type? When I say <type>swc</type>:
> > I say this dependency kind is a SWC? Or
> > I say this dependency is used like a SWC?
> >
> > I always think on the type related to kind and the scope related to
> > usage.
> >
> > Can anyone give some light on this?
> >
> >
> > VELO
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Shane Isbell
> > <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> That's the default behavior of Maven: extension = type. You can the
> >> mapping
> >> through an entry in a components.xml file. For example,
> >>
> >> <component>
> >> <role>org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.ArtifactHandler</role>
> >> <role-hint>dotnet:gac</role-hint>
> >>
> >> <
> >> implementation
> >> >org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.DefaultArtifactHandler</
> >> implementation>
> >> <configuration>
> >> <extension>dll</extension>
> >> <type>dotnet:gac</type>
> >> <addedToClasspath>true</addedToClasspath>
> >> </configuration>
> >> </component>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:00 PM, VELO <ve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just a question from a noobie.
> >>>
> >>> If I change the type, I'm pointing to a different file or to the
> >>> same?
> >>> I always think in the type as the extension.
> >>> <type>swc</type> means aFile.swc
> >>>
> >>> Right? Wrong? +-?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> VELO
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Shane Isbell <shane.isbell@gmail.com
> >>> >
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Multiple artifact types can all match to the same artifact. By
> >>>> using the
> >>>> dependency/type you can change behavior, like whether it is
> >>>> transitive
> >> or if
> >>>> it should be linked or compiled, etc. There is no need to muck
> >>>> around
> >> with
> >>>> scopes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Shane
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> >>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle
> >>>>> deployment.
> >>>>> Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip
> >>>>> file,
> >>>>> it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-
> >>>>> artifact-
> >>>>> per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven dev
> >>>>> list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Christian.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> But to compile, you need the SWC.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as
> >>>>>> external or
> >>>>>> as runtime or as merged....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> VELO
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> >>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is
> >>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
> >>>>>>> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as
> >>>>>>> libraries. I
> >> may
> >>>>>>> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't
> >> completely
> >>>>>>> figured that out.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Christian.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into
> >> some
> >>>>>>>> issues
> >>>>>>>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like
> >>>>>>>> netmodules,
> >>>>>>>> or
> >>>>>>>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive
> >> dependencies,
> >>>>>>>> they
> >>>>>>>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> >>>>>>>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same
> >>>>>>>> scope
> >>>>>>>> but the
> >>>>>>>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In
> >>>>>>>> this
> >>>>>>>> case, I use
> >>>>>>>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact
> >>>>>>>> dependency
> >>>>>>>> with
> >>>>>>>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact
> >>>>>>>> type
> >>>>>>>> of the
> >>>>>>>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Shane
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> >>>>>>>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of
> >>>>>>>>> scope,
> >>>>>>>>> think
> >>>>>>>>> of use-cases:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> >>>>>>>>> 2. Need only for compile.
> >>>>>>>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> >>>>>>>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
> >>>>>>>>> 5. Need only during testing
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
> >>>>>>>>> These
> >>>>>>>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency
> >> scopes.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Christian.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the
> >>>>>>>>>> plugins
> >>>>>>>>>> since
> >>>>>>>>>> it's a core concept.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> >>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change
> >>>>>>>>>> your
> >>>>>>>>>> scopes,
> >>>>>>>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> VELO
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> >>>>>>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a
> >>>>>>>>>>> Java
> >>>>>>>>>>> thing,
> >>>>>>>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
> >>>>>>>>>>> provided
> >>>>>>>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the
> >>>>>>>>>>> ultimate
> >>>>>>>>>>> runtime
> >>>>>>>>>>> will provide the dependency.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Christian.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (not
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Java,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is
> >> Java
> >>>>>>>>>> like.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> >>>>>>>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> >>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another
> >>>>>>>>>>>> name
> >>>>>>>>>>>> convention.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the
> >> maven
> >>>>>>>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>> types
> >>>>>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Any one can help me?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> VELO
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>>>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
This is slightly determined by teh plugin. Maven doesn't really
clarify this point. I think the latter is probably the more accurate.
They're slightly related, though, because, for example, a type will
have a default implicit scope based on its meaning. A .ear is a
packaging type, for example, so the way dependencies are handled if
you depended on a .ear would be different (potentailly) than the way
you would handle things if it were a .jar. Scope provides hints, but
not all scopes are applicable to all situations. For example, the
runtime scope or provided scope is mostly meaningless to a .swc,
because .swcs are statically linked into .swfs. (simplification, but
just to make the point.)
Anyway, have you tried the maven-flex-plugin? Ping me offline and
I'll help you set it up.
Christian.
On 14-Mar-08, at 18:37 , VELO wrote:
> So, is possible =D
>
> Let me do a question.
>
> I can't do configurations like this to scopes, right?!
>
> Well, a dependency has 2 attributes. Scope and type.
>
> In my original thought is:
> type is related to dependency's type;
> scope is related to dependency's usage.
>
> Are this thought wrong?
>
> What mean the type? When I say <type>swc</type>:
> I say this dependency kind is a SWC? Or
> I say this dependency is used like a SWC?
>
> I always think on the type related to kind and the scope related to
> usage.
>
> Can anyone give some light on this?
>
>
> VELO
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Shane Isbell
> <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> That's the default behavior of Maven: extension = type. You can the
>> mapping
>> through an entry in a components.xml file. For example,
>>
>> <component>
>> <role>org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.ArtifactHandler</role>
>> <role-hint>dotnet:gac</role-hint>
>>
>> <
>> implementation
>> >org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.DefaultArtifactHandler</
>> implementation>
>> <configuration>
>> <extension>dll</extension>
>> <type>dotnet:gac</type>
>> <addedToClasspath>true</addedToClasspath>
>> </configuration>
>> </component>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:00 PM, VELO <ve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just a question from a noobie.
>>>
>>> If I change the type, I'm pointing to a different file or to the
>>> same?
>>> I always think in the type as the extension.
>>> <type>swc</type> means aFile.swc
>>>
>>> Right? Wrong? +-?
>>>
>>>
>>> VELO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Shane Isbell <shane.isbell@gmail.com
>>> >
>> wrote:
>>>> Multiple artifact types can all match to the same artifact. By
>>>> using the
>>>> dependency/type you can change behavior, like whether it is
>>>> transitive
>> or if
>>>> it should be linked or compiled, etc. There is no need to muck
>>>> around
>> with
>>>> scopes.
>>>>
>>>> Shane
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle
>>>>> deployment.
>>>>> Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip
>>>>> file,
>>>>> it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-
>>>>> artifact-
>>>>> per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven dev
>>>>> list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
>>>>>
>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> But to compile, you need the SWC.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as
>>>>>> external or
>>>>>> as runtime or as merged....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> VELO
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
>>>>>>> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as
>>>>>>> libraries. I
>> may
>>>>>>> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't
>> completely
>>>>>>> figured that out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into
>> some
>>>>>>>> issues
>>>>>>>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like
>>>>>>>> netmodules,
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive
>> dependencies,
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
>>>>>>>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same
>>>>>>>> scope
>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> case, I use
>>>>>>>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact
>>>>>>>> dependency
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact
>>>>>>>> type
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shane
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
>>>>>>>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of
>>>>>>>>> scope,
>>>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>>>> of use-cases:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
>>>>>>>>> 2. Need only for compile.
>>>>>>>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
>>>>>>>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
>>>>>>>>> 5. Need only during testing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
>>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency
>> scopes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the
>>>>>>>>>> plugins
>>>>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>>>> it's a core concept.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> scopes,
>>>>>>>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> VELO
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>>>>>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a
>>>>>>>>>>> Java
>>>>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
>>>>>>>>>>> provided
>>>>>>>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the
>>>>>>>>>>> ultimate
>>>>>>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>>>>>>> will provide the dependency.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language
>>>>>>>>>>>> (not
>>>>>>>>>>>> Java,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is
>> Java
>>>>>>>>>> like.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
>>>>>>>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
>>>>>>>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
>>>>>>>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another
>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>> convention.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the
>> maven
>>>>>>>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> types
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any one can help me?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> VELO
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by VELO <ve...@gmail.com>.
So, is possible =D
Let me do a question.
I can't do configurations like this to scopes, right?!
Well, a dependency has 2 attributes. Scope and type.
In my original thought is:
type is related to dependency's type;
scope is related to dependency's usage.
Are this thought wrong?
What mean the type? When I say <type>swc</type>:
I say this dependency kind is a SWC? Or
I say this dependency is used like a SWC?
I always think on the type related to kind and the scope related to usage.
Can anyone give some light on this?
VELO
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Shane Isbell <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's the default behavior of Maven: extension = type. You can the mapping
> through an entry in a components.xml file. For example,
>
> <component>
> <role>org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.ArtifactHandler</role>
> <role-hint>dotnet:gac</role-hint>
>
> <implementation>org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.DefaultArtifactHandler</implementation>
> <configuration>
> <extension>dll</extension>
> <type>dotnet:gac</type>
> <addedToClasspath>true</addedToClasspath>
> </configuration>
> </component>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:00 PM, VELO <ve...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just a question from a noobie.
> >
> > If I change the type, I'm pointing to a different file or to the same?
> > I always think in the type as the extension.
> > <type>swc</type> means aFile.swc
> >
> > Right? Wrong? +-?
> >
> >
> > VELO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Shane Isbell <sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Multiple artifact types can all match to the same artifact. By using the
> > > dependency/type you can change behavior, like whether it is transitive
> or if
> > > it should be linked or compiled, etc. There is no need to muck around
> with
> > > scopes.
> > >
> > > Shane
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle deployment.
> > > > Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip file,
> > > > it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-artifact-
> > > > per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
> > > >
> > > > Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven dev
> > > > list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
> > > >
> > > > Christian.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > But to compile, you need the SWC.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
> > > > >
> > > > > The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as external or
> > > > > as runtime or as merged....
> > > > >
> > > > > So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
> > > > >
> > > > > VELO
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > > > > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
> > > > >> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
> > > > >> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I
> may
> > > > >> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't
> completely
> > > > >> figured that out.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Christian.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into
> some
> > > > >>> issues
> > > > >>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules,
> > > > >>> or
> > > > >>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive
> dependencies,
> > > > >>> they
> > > > >>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> > > > >>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
> > > > >>> but the
> > > > >>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
> > > > >>> case, I use
> > > > >>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency
> > > > >>> with
> > > > >>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
> > > > >>> of the
> > > > >>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Shane
> > > > >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> > > > >>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
> > > > >>>> think
> > > > >>>> of use-cases:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> > > > >>>> 2. Need only for compile.
> > > > >>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> > > > >>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
> > > > >>>> 5. Need only during testing
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
> > > > >>>> These
> > > > >>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency
> scopes.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Christian.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
> > > > >>>>> since
> > > > >>>>> it's a core concept.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> > > > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> > > > >>>>> To: Maven Developers List
> > > > >>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
> > > > >>>>> scopes,
> > > > >>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> VELO
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > > > >>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
> > > > >>>>>> thing,
> > > > >>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
> > > > >>>>>> provided
> > > > >>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
> > > > >>>>>> runtime
> > > > >>>>>> will provide the dependency.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Christian.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Hi guys,
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
> > > > >>>>>>> Java,
> > > > >>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is
> Java
> > > > >>>>> like.
> > > > >>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
> > > > >>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> > > > >>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> > > > >>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> > > > >>>>>>> convention.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the
> maven
> > > > >>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types
> > > > >>>>>>> of
> > > > >>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> Any one can help me?
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>> VELO
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
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> > > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > > >>>>>
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> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Shane Isbell <sh...@gmail.com>.
That's the default behavior of Maven: extension = type. You can the mapping
through an entry in a components.xml file. For example,
<component>
<role>org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.ArtifactHandler</role>
<role-hint>dotnet:gac</role-hint>
<implementation>
org.apache.maven.artifact.handler.DefaultArtifactHandler</implementation>
<configuration>
<extension>dll</extension>
<type>dotnet:gac</type>
<addedToClasspath>true</addedToClasspath>
</configuration>
</component>
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 2:00 PM, VELO <ve...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just a question from a noobie.
>
> If I change the type, I'm pointing to a different file or to the same?
> I always think in the type as the extension.
> <type>swc</type> means aFile.swc
>
> Right? Wrong? +-?
>
>
> VELO
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Shane Isbell <sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Multiple artifact types can all match to the same artifact. By using the
> > dependency/type you can change behavior, like whether it is transitive
> or if
> > it should be linked or compiled, etc. There is no need to muck around
> with
> > scopes.
> >
> > Shane
> >
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle deployment.
> > > Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip file,
> > > it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-artifact-
> > > per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
> > >
> > > Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven dev
> > > list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
> > >
> > > Christian.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
> > >
> > > > But to compile, you need the SWC.
> > > >
> > > > Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
> > > >
> > > > The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as external or
> > > > as runtime or as merged....
> > > >
> > > > So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
> > > >
> > > > VELO
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > > > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
> > > >> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
> > > >> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I
> may
> > > >> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't
> completely
> > > >> figured that out.
> > > >>
> > > >> Christian.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into
> some
> > > >>> issues
> > > >>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules,
> > > >>> or
> > > >>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive
> dependencies,
> > > >>> they
> > > >>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> > > >>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
> > > >>> but the
> > > >>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
> > > >>> case, I use
> > > >>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency
> > > >>> with
> > > >>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
> > > >>> of the
> > > >>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Shane
> > > >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> > > >>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
> > > >>>> think
> > > >>>> of use-cases:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> > > >>>> 2. Need only for compile.
> > > >>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> > > >>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
> > > >>>> 5. Need only during testing
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
> > > >>>> These
> > > >>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency
> scopes.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Christian.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
> > > >>>>> since
> > > >>>>> it's a core concept.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> > > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> > > >>>>> To: Maven Developers List
> > > >>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
> > > >>>>> scopes,
> > > >>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> VELO
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > > >>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
> > > >>>>>> thing,
> > > >>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
> > > >>>>>> provided
> > > >>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
> > > >>>>>> runtime
> > > >>>>>> will provide the dependency.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Christian.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Hi guys,
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
> > > >>>>>>> Java,
> > > >>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is
> Java
> > > >>>>> like.
> > > >>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
> > > >>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> > > >>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> > > >>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> > > >>>>>>> convention.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the
> maven
> > > >>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types
> > > >>>>>>> of
> > > >>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> Any one can help me?
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> VELO
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
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> > > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
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>
Re: Custom scopes
Posted by VELO <ve...@gmail.com>.
Just a question from a noobie.
If I change the type, I'm pointing to a different file or to the same?
I always think in the type as the extension.
<type>swc</type> means aFile.swc
Right? Wrong? +-?
VELO
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:55 PM, Shane Isbell <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Multiple artifact types can all match to the same artifact. By using the
> dependency/type you can change behavior, like whether it is transitive or if
> it should be linked or compiled, etc. There is no need to muck around with
> scopes.
>
> Shane
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle deployment.
> > Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip file,
> > it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-artifact-
> > per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
> >
> > Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven dev
> > list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
> >
> > Christian.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
> >
> > > But to compile, you need the SWC.
> > >
> > > Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
> > >
> > > The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as external or
> > > as runtime or as merged....
> > >
> > > So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
> > >
> > > VELO
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
> > >> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
> > >> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I may
> > >> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't completely
> > >> figured that out.
> > >>
> > >> Christian.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some
> > >>> issues
> > >>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules,
> > >>> or
> > >>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies,
> > >>> they
> > >>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> > >>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
> > >>> but the
> > >>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
> > >>>
> > >>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
> > >>> case, I use
> > >>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency
> > >>> with
> > >>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
> > >>>
> > >>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
> > >>> of the
> > >>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
> > >>>
> > >>> Shane
> > >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> > >>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
> > >>>> think
> > >>>> of use-cases:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> > >>>> 2. Need only for compile.
> > >>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> > >>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
> > >>>> 5. Need only during testing
> > >>>>
> > >>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
> > >>>> These
> > >>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Christian.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
> > >>>>> since
> > >>>>> it's a core concept.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> > >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> > >>>>> To: Maven Developers List
> > >>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
> > >>>>> scopes,
> > >>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> VELO
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > >>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
> > >>>>>> thing,
> > >>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
> > >>>>>> provided
> > >>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
> > >>>>>> runtime
> > >>>>>> will provide the dependency.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Christian.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Hi guys,
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
> > >>>>>>> Java,
> > >>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
> > >>>>> like.
> > >>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
> > >>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> > >>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> > >>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> > >>>>>>> convention.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> > >>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types
> > >>>>>>> of
> > >>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Any one can help me?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> VELO
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> > >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Shane Isbell <sh...@gmail.com>.
Multiple artifact types can all match to the same artifact. By using the
dependency/type you can change behavior, like whether it is transitive or if
it should be linked or compiled, etc. There is no need to muck around with
scopes.
Shane
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 1:46 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle deployment.
> Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip file,
> it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-artifact-
> per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
>
> Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven dev
> list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
>
> Christian.
>
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
>
> > But to compile, you need the SWC.
> >
> > Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
> >
> > The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as external or
> > as runtime or as merged....
> >
> > So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
> >
> > VELO
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
> >> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
> >> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I may
> >> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't completely
> >> figured that out.
> >>
> >> Christian.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some
> >>> issues
> >>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules,
> >>> or
> >>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies,
> >>> they
> >>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> >>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
> >>> but the
> >>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
> >>>
> >>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
> >>> case, I use
> >>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency
> >>> with
> >>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
> >>>
> >>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
> >>> of the
> >>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
> >>>
> >>> Shane
> >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> >>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
> >>>> think
> >>>> of use-cases:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> >>>> 2. Need only for compile.
> >>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> >>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
> >>>> 5. Need only during testing
> >>>>
> >>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
> >>>> These
> >>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
> >>>>> since
> >>>>> it's a core concept.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> >>>>> To: Maven Developers List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
> >>>>> scopes,
> >>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> VELO
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> >>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
> >>>>>> thing,
> >>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
> >>>>>> provided
> >>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
> >>>>>> runtime
> >>>>>> will provide the dependency.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Christian.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
> >>>>>>> Java,
> >>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
> >>>>> like.
> >>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
> >>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> >>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> >>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> >>>>>>> convention.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> >>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any one can help me?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> VELO
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by VELO <ve...@gmail.com>.
Just a clarification,
For now, deployment isn't my first concern. Now I'm 100% focused on
build the SWF (I know, I need to think in future)
I think Shane has a good point.
If exists any planning to maven supports another languages, some
changes are need.
Some scope doesn't make sense on Java, but do on Flex, .Net, Ruby,
MyHouseLanguage...
How can I keep in touch for these generalizations?
VELO
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
<ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle deployment.
> Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip file,
> it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-artifact-
> per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
>
> Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven dev
> list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
>
> Christian.
>
>
>
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
>
> > But to compile, you need the SWC.
> >
> > Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
> >
> > The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as external or
> > as runtime or as merged....
> >
> > So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
> >
> > VELO
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
> >> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
> >> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I may
> >> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't completely
> >> figured that out.
> >>
> >> Christian.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some
> >>> issues
> >>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules,
> >>> or
> >>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies,
> >>> they
> >>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> >>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
> >>> but the
> >>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
> >>>
> >>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
> >>> case, I use
> >>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency
> >>> with
> >>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
> >>>
> >>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
> >>> of the
> >>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
> >>>
> >>> Shane
> >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> >>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
> >>>> think
> >>>> of use-cases:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> >>>> 2. Need only for compile.
> >>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> >>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
> >>>> 5. Need only during testing
> >>>>
> >>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
> >>>> These
> >>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
> >>>>> since
> >>>>> it's a core concept.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> >>>>> To: Maven Developers List
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
> >>>>> scopes,
> >>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> VELO
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> >>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
> >>>>>> thing,
> >>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
> >>>>>> provided
> >>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
> >>>>>> runtime
> >>>>>> will provide the dependency.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Christian.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
> >>>>>>> Java,
> >>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
> >>>>> like.
> >>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
> >>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> >>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> >>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> >>>>>>> convention.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> >>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types
> >>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Any one can help me?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> VELO
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
I agree, I just hadn't yet thought through how to handle deployment.
Especially since a .swc is a .swf with a manifest file in a zip file,
it doesn't entirely map to the maven artifact concept of one-artifact-
per-project. Maybe as a classifier... Hmmm.
Anyway, we should take this flex-specific stuff off the maven dev
list unless there's actual questions about maven mechanics.
Christian.
On 14-Mar-08, at 16:42 , VELO wrote:
> But to compile, you need the SWC.
>
> Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
>
> The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as external or
> as runtime or as merged....
>
> So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
>
> VELO
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
>> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
>> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I may
>> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't completely
>> figured that out.
>>
>> Christian.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some
>>> issues
>>> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules,
>>> or
>>> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies,
>>> they
>>> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
>>> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
>>> but the
>>> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
>>>
>>> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
>>> case, I use
>>> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency
>>> with
>>> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
>>>
>>> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
>>> of the
>>> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
>>>
>>> Shane
>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
>>> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
>>>> think
>>>> of use-cases:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
>>>> 2. Need only for compile.
>>>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
>>>> 4. Provided locally for compile
>>>> 5. Need only during testing
>>>>
>>>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for?
>>>> These
>>>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
>>>>
>>>> Christian.
>>>>
>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
>>>>> since
>>>>> it's a core concept.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
>>>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
>>>>>
>>>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
>>>>> scopes,
>>>>> I wanna this scopes"?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VELO
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
>>>>>> provided
>>>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
>>>>>> runtime
>>>>>> will provide the dependency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
>>>>>>> Java,
>>>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
>>>>> like.
>>>>>>> But the others have different naming:
>>>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
>>>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
>>>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
>>>>>>> convention.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
>>>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any one can help me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VELO
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@maven.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by VELO <ve...@gmail.com>.
But to compile, you need the SWC.
Your dependency is the SWC, or am I wrong?
The artifiact doesn't change. I can use the same SWC as external or
as runtime or as merged....
So, I don't believe changing type is the right decision.
VELO
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Christian Edward Gruber
<ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
> normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
> (called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I may
> force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't completely
> figured that out.
>
> Christian.
>
>
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some
> > issues
> > with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules, or
> > linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies,
> > they
> > need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> > artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
> > but the
> > behavior is different depending on artifact type.
> >
> > There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
> > case, I use
> > a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency with
> > dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
> >
> > So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
> > of the
> > dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
> >
> > Shane
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> > christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
> >> think
> >> of use-cases:
> >>
> >> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> >> 2. Need only for compile.
> >> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> >> 4. Provided locally for compile
> >> 5. Need only during testing
> >>
> >> What other scenarios would your other language have need for? These
> >> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
> >>
> >> Christian.
> >>
> >> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> >>
> >>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
> >>> since
> >>> it's a core concept.
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> >>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> >>> To: Maven Developers List
> >>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> >>>
> >>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
> >>> scopes,
> >>> I wanna this scopes"?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> VELO
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> >>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
> >>>> thing,
> >>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
> >>>> provided
> >>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
> >>>> runtime
> >>>> will provide the dependency.
> >>>>
> >>>> Christian.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
> >>>>> Java,
> >>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
> >>> like.
> >>>>> But the others have different naming:
> >>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> >>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> >>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> >>>>> convention.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> >>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
> >>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any one can help me?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> VELO
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
Yeah - I may do that too with the flex thing because a .swf is the
normal web-deployable, but a particular dynamic linking approach
(called Remote Shared Libraries) uses .swf files as libraries. I may
force it by using a swf-rsl packaging type, but I haven't completely
figured that out.
Christian.
On 14-Mar-08, at 16:14 , Shane Isbell wrote:
> I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some
> issues
> with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules, or
> linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies,
> they
> need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
> artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope
> but the
> behavior is different depending on artifact type.
>
> There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this
> case, I use
> a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency with
> dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
>
> So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type
> of the
> dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
>
> Shane
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
> christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope,
>> think
>> of use-cases:
>>
>> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
>> 2. Need only for compile.
>> 3. Need only in the deployed system
>> 4. Provided locally for compile
>> 5. Need only during testing
>>
>> What other scenarios would your other language have need for? These
>> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
>>
>> Christian.
>>
>> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
>>
>>> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins
>>> since
>>> it's a core concept.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
>>> To: Maven Developers List
>>> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
>>>
>>> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your
>>> scopes,
>>> I wanna this scopes"?
>>>
>>>
>>> VELO
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
>>> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java
>>>> thing,
>>>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is
>>>> provided
>>>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate
>>>> runtime
>>>> will provide the dependency.
>>>>
>>>> Christian.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not
>>>>> Java,
>>>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
>>>>>
>>>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
>>> like.
>>>>> But the others have different naming:
>>>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
>>>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
>>>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
>>>>> convention.
>>>>>
>>>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
>>>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
>>>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any one can help me?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> VELO
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Shane Isbell <sh...@gmail.com>.
I'm not sure the specifics of VELOs problem but I have run into some issues
with NMaven for .NET support. There may be cases (like netmodules, or
linking of assemblies) where you don't want transitive dependencies, they
need to be direct. So it is up to the plugins to decide if
artifactType[x]:compile is transtive or not. It is the same scope but the
behavior is different depending on artifact type.
There are also issues such as the Global Assembly Cache. In this case, I use
a provided scope but when the plugins see an artifact dependency with
dotnet:gac_msil type, they know to treat it differently.
So the key is not to change scopes but to change the artifact type of the
dependency to handle different behavior of the scope.
Shane
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Christian Edward Gruber <
christianedwardgruber@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope, think
> of use-cases:
>
> 1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
> 2. Need only for compile.
> 3. Need only in the deployed system
> 4. Provided locally for compile
> 5. Need only during testing
>
> What other scenarios would your other language have need for? These
> are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
>
> Christian.
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
>
> > Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins since
> > it's a core concept.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> > To: Maven Developers List
> > Subject: Re: Custom scopes
> >
> > And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your scopes,
> > I wanna this scopes"?
> >
> >
> > VELO
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> > <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java thing,
> >> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is provided
> >> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate runtime
> >> will provide the dependency.
> >>
> >> Christian.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi guys,
> >>>
> >>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not Java,
> >>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >>>
> >>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
> > like.
> >>> But the others have different naming:
> >>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> >>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> >>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >>>
> >>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> >>> convention.
> >>>
> >>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> >>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
> >>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >>>
> >>> Any one can help me?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> VELO
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
Why would you actually need other scopes? Don't think of scope, think
of use-cases:
1. Need for both compile and in the deployed system
2. Need only for compile.
3. Need only in the deployed system
4. Provided locally for compile
5. Need only during testing
What other scenarios would your other language have need for? These
are the scenarios that are handled by the maven dependency scopes.
Christian.
On 14-Mar-08, at 10:45 , Brian E. Fox wrote:
> Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins since
> it's a core concept.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
> To: Maven Developers List
> Subject: Re: Custom scopes
>
> And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your scopes,
> I wanna this scopes"?
>
>
> VELO
>
> On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
> <ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java thing,
>> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is provided
>> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate runtime
>> will provide the dependency.
>>
>> Christian.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>>
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not Java,
>>> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
>>>
>>> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
> like.
>>> But the others have different naming:
>>> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
>>> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
>>> SYSTEM doesn't exist
>>>
>>> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
>>> convention.
>>>
>>> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
>>> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
>>> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
>>>
>>> Any one can help me?
>>>
>>>
>>> VELO
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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RE: Custom scopes
Posted by "Brian E. Fox" <br...@reply.infinity.nu>.
Nope, the scopes are coded into the core and most of the plugins since
it's a core concept.
-----Original Message-----
From: VELO [mailto:velo.br@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 9:42 AM
To: Maven Developers List
Subject: Re: Custom scopes
And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your scopes,
I wanna this scopes"?
VELO
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
<ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java thing,
> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is provided
> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate runtime
> will provide the dependency.
>
> Christian.
>
>
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not Java,
> > but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >
> > That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java
like.
> > But the others have different naming:
> > RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> > PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> > SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >
> > I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> > convention.
> >
> > How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> > dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
> > transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >
> > Any one can help me?
> >
> >
> > VELO
> >
> >
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by VELO <ve...@gmail.com>.
And there is any where to say: "Hey maven, I wanna change your scopes,
I wanna this scopes"?
VELO
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Christian Edward Gruber
<ch...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java thing,
> but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is provided
> at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate runtime
> will provide the dependency.
>
> Christian.
>
>
>
> On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not Java,
> > but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
> >
> > That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java like.
> > But the others have different naming:
> > RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> > PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> > SYSTEM doesn't exist
> >
> > I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> > convention.
> >
> > How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> > dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
> > transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
> >
> > Any one can help me?
> >
> >
> > VELO
> >
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Re: Custom scopes
Posted by Christian Edward Gruber <ch...@gmail.com>.
"System" scope doesn't exist in Java either. It's not a Java thing,
but a Maven thing, and it just means that the dependency is provided
at compile time by a local direct path, and that the ultimate runtime
will provide the dependency.
Christian.
On 14-Mar-08, at 07:25 , VELO wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I'm developing a maven compiler mojo to another language (not Java,
> but I prefer don't reveal, at least not now).
>
> That language have more scopes (total 6). One (COMPILE) is Java like.
> But the others have different naming:
> RUNTIME on Java there is called EXTERNAL
> PROVIDED on Java looks like to RUNTIME on this language
> SYSTEM doesn't exist
>
> I wanna the same Java Scopes, but I wanna to use another name
> convention.
>
> How can I create my custom scope and insert they into the maven
> dependency mechanism? I need to do that because I have 2 types of
> transitive dependencies and 3 non transitive.
>
> Any one can help me?
>
>
> VELO
>
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