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Posted to dev@tinkerpop.apache.org by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com> on 2018/10/15 17:34:40 UTC
[DISCUSS] Gremlin Service Provider
I'm trying to come up with a name to describe graph providers like Neptune,
CosmosDB, DSE Graph, IBM Compose JanusGraph, etc. I've been calling them
"server graphs" because they are "remote" only. They just accept Gremlin as
a request and return results. I don't really like "server graphs" though -
how does a "Gremlin Service Provider" sound? anyone have better ideas?
Re: [DISCUSS] Gremlin Service Provider
Posted by Daniel Kuppitz <me...@gremlin.guru>.
*G**aaS* - Gremlin/Graph as a Service
**aaS* is an acronym <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acronym> for *as a
> service* (e.g., X as a service), and refers to something being made
> available to a customer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Customer> as a
> service <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Service_(economics)>,[1]
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/As_a_service#cite_note-1> always in the
> context of cloud computing <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing>
> .
... because we all love acronyms.
Cheers,
Daniel
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 10:35 AM Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm trying to come up with a name to describe graph providers like Neptune,
> CosmosDB, DSE Graph, IBM Compose JanusGraph, etc. I've been calling them
> "server graphs" because they are "remote" only. They just accept Gremlin as
> a request and return results. I don't really like "server graphs" though -
> how does a "Gremlin Service Provider" sound? anyone have better ideas?
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Gremlin Service Provider
Posted by Robert Dale <ro...@gmail.com>.
+------------------+------------+--------+-------+--------+
| | Embeddable | Remote | Cloud | Mobile |
+------------------+------------+--------+-------+--------+
| Embedded Graph | X | | | |
| Remote Graph | | X | | |
| Service Provider | | | X | |
| Mobile Graph | X | | | X |
| Graph System | X | X | X | |
+------------------+------------+--------+-------+--------+
Robert Dale
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 7:08 AM Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I think you're both missing the distinction I'm trying to make here.
>
> > JanusGraph is not remote-only.
>
> JanusGraph in the mode offered on IBM Compose is remote only.
>
> https://help.compose.com/docs/janusgraph-connecting-to-janusgraph
>
> > I didn't think DSE Graph was remote-only either.
>
> DSEGraph is remote-only.
>
> When I write "remote-only" I mean that you can't embed an instance, nor can
> you host an instance in Gremlin Server yourself. You have no access to the
> classes that would enable that. I would say that you can only connect to
> these graphs over Gremlin Server protocols, but even that's not true. The
> only real definition here is that these graphs accept Gremlin (scripts
> and/or bytecode at this time) on requests and return results. I want a name
> for these types of graphs because they represent an interesting new type of
> graph that have a completely different model from what we've been used to
> and what our documentation looks like.
>
> As I write this a little more clearly now I wonder if "Gremlin Service
> Provider" is right. It sorta implies this cloud-based hosting or something
> and DSE Graph sits in the middle on that in a way. What do we call a graph
> that just accepts gremlin remotely and returns results. "Remote Graph
> Systems"? "Remote Gremlin Graphs"? maybe it needs "remote" in it.....
>
> Does this make more sense now? thoughts?
>
> > I'm also for naming normalization across the TinkerPop. Here are some
> other names out there:
>
> hmm - yeah...we could probably do better with that. perhaps a different
> discussion.....
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:45 AM Jorge Bay Gondra <jorgebaygondra@gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
>
> > I think the name used in the providers
> > <http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html> section "TinkerPop-Enabled
> > Graph Systems" is clear. An alternative would be "Gremlin-Enabled Graph
> > Systems".
> >
> > El mar., 16 oct. 2018 a las 4:11, Robert Dale (<ro...@gmail.com>)
> > escribió:
> >
> > > I like the name but not entirely sure I'm on the same page. JanusGraph
> > is
> > > not remote-only. I didn't think DSE Graph was remote-only either.
> > >
> > > I'm also for naming normalization across the TinkerPop. Here are some
> > other
> > > names out there:
> > > Graph Systems - http://tinkerpop.apache.org/#graph-systems
> > > Graph Database
> > > TinkerPop-Enabled Providers -
> http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html
> > > Data System Providers -
> > > http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html#data-system-providers
> > > TinkerPop-Enabled Graph Systems
> > > Graph Provider
> > >
> > >
> > > Robert Dale
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:35 PM Stephen Mallette <spmallette@gmail.com
> >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm trying to come up with a name to describe graph providers like
> > > Neptune,
> > > > CosmosDB, DSE Graph, IBM Compose JanusGraph, etc. I've been calling
> > them
> > > > "server graphs" because they are "remote" only. They just accept
> > Gremlin
> > > as
> > > > a request and return results. I don't really like "server graphs"
> > though
> > > -
> > > > how does a "Gremlin Service Provider" sound? anyone have better
> ideas?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Gremlin Service Provider
Posted by Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>.
I think you're both missing the distinction I'm trying to make here.
> JanusGraph is not remote-only.
JanusGraph in the mode offered on IBM Compose is remote only.
https://help.compose.com/docs/janusgraph-connecting-to-janusgraph
> I didn't think DSE Graph was remote-only either.
DSEGraph is remote-only.
When I write "remote-only" I mean that you can't embed an instance, nor can
you host an instance in Gremlin Server yourself. You have no access to the
classes that would enable that. I would say that you can only connect to
these graphs over Gremlin Server protocols, but even that's not true. The
only real definition here is that these graphs accept Gremlin (scripts
and/or bytecode at this time) on requests and return results. I want a name
for these types of graphs because they represent an interesting new type of
graph that have a completely different model from what we've been used to
and what our documentation looks like.
As I write this a little more clearly now I wonder if "Gremlin Service
Provider" is right. It sorta implies this cloud-based hosting or something
and DSE Graph sits in the middle on that in a way. What do we call a graph
that just accepts gremlin remotely and returns results. "Remote Graph
Systems"? "Remote Gremlin Graphs"? maybe it needs "remote" in it.....
Does this make more sense now? thoughts?
> I'm also for naming normalization across the TinkerPop. Here are some
other names out there:
hmm - yeah...we could probably do better with that. perhaps a different
discussion.....
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 3:45 AM Jorge Bay Gondra <jo...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I think the name used in the providers
> <http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html> section "TinkerPop-Enabled
> Graph Systems" is clear. An alternative would be "Gremlin-Enabled Graph
> Systems".
>
> El mar., 16 oct. 2018 a las 4:11, Robert Dale (<ro...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
>
> > I like the name but not entirely sure I'm on the same page. JanusGraph
> is
> > not remote-only. I didn't think DSE Graph was remote-only either.
> >
> > I'm also for naming normalization across the TinkerPop. Here are some
> other
> > names out there:
> > Graph Systems - http://tinkerpop.apache.org/#graph-systems
> > Graph Database
> > TinkerPop-Enabled Providers - http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html
> > Data System Providers -
> > http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html#data-system-providers
> > TinkerPop-Enabled Graph Systems
> > Graph Provider
> >
> >
> > Robert Dale
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:35 PM Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm trying to come up with a name to describe graph providers like
> > Neptune,
> > > CosmosDB, DSE Graph, IBM Compose JanusGraph, etc. I've been calling
> them
> > > "server graphs" because they are "remote" only. They just accept
> Gremlin
> > as
> > > a request and return results. I don't really like "server graphs"
> though
> > -
> > > how does a "Gremlin Service Provider" sound? anyone have better ideas?
> > >
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Gremlin Service Provider
Posted by Jorge Bay Gondra <jo...@gmail.com>.
I think the name used in the providers
<http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html> section "TinkerPop-Enabled
Graph Systems" is clear. An alternative would be "Gremlin-Enabled Graph
Systems".
El mar., 16 oct. 2018 a las 4:11, Robert Dale (<ro...@gmail.com>)
escribió:
> I like the name but not entirely sure I'm on the same page. JanusGraph is
> not remote-only. I didn't think DSE Graph was remote-only either.
>
> I'm also for naming normalization across the TinkerPop. Here are some other
> names out there:
> Graph Systems - http://tinkerpop.apache.org/#graph-systems
> Graph Database
> TinkerPop-Enabled Providers - http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html
> Data System Providers -
> http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html#data-system-providers
> TinkerPop-Enabled Graph Systems
> Graph Provider
>
>
> Robert Dale
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:35 PM Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I'm trying to come up with a name to describe graph providers like
> Neptune,
> > CosmosDB, DSE Graph, IBM Compose JanusGraph, etc. I've been calling them
> > "server graphs" because they are "remote" only. They just accept Gremlin
> as
> > a request and return results. I don't really like "server graphs" though
> -
> > how does a "Gremlin Service Provider" sound? anyone have better ideas?
> >
>
Re: [DISCUSS] Gremlin Service Provider
Posted by Robert Dale <ro...@gmail.com>.
I like the name but not entirely sure I'm on the same page. JanusGraph is
not remote-only. I didn't think DSE Graph was remote-only either.
I'm also for naming normalization across the TinkerPop. Here are some other
names out there:
Graph Systems - http://tinkerpop.apache.org/#graph-systems
Graph Database
TinkerPop-Enabled Providers - http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html
Data System Providers -
http://tinkerpop.apache.org/providers.html#data-system-providers
TinkerPop-Enabled Graph Systems
Graph Provider
Robert Dale
On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:35 PM Stephen Mallette <sp...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I'm trying to come up with a name to describe graph providers like Neptune,
> CosmosDB, DSE Graph, IBM Compose JanusGraph, etc. I've been calling them
> "server graphs" because they are "remote" only. They just accept Gremlin as
> a request and return results. I don't really like "server graphs" though -
> how does a "Gremlin Service Provider" sound? anyone have better ideas?
>