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Support
Good afternoon, my question is this:
That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
Thank you very much.
Angélica Ardila
Re: Support
Posted by André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com>.
And by her innocent question, Angelica has brought out the inherent
personality of a number of people on this list..
Any more takers ?
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Re: Support
Posted by Johnny Kewl <jo...@kewlstuff.co.za>.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Angelica Ardila" <an...@gmail.com>
To: <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:20 AM
Subject: Support
Good afternoon, my question is this:
That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
Thank you very much.
Angélica Ardila
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We using TC5/6 with JDK1.5 all the way to JDK 6 beta (10)... no problems.
If you starting out....
http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp
2nd item from the top (JDK 6 Update 7)... and the documentation... (Java SE
6 Documentation)
If you need a dev IDE... its better to go here...
http://download.netbeans.org/netbeans/6.1/final/
and get the one you want... than use the JDK option with NETBEANS
Because NB is getting huge...
What I do is dowload the PHP version... and then install the TC plugins from
NB... its quicker than the whole GlassFish thing...
If you not developing and the JRE (SE) 5 or 6 is on the machine already...
TC is all you need...
You have to have the JDK for the IDE however...
If you on windows, install the JDK to a non standard folder... else it gets
updated auto... and you dont want that in a dev environment...
... enjoy TC is cool ;)
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RE: Support
Posted by "Caldarale, Charles R" <Ch...@unisys.com>.
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:50 AM, Angelica Ardila
<an...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
Read the release notes:
http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-6.0-doc/RELEASE-NOTES.txt
"Tomcat 6.0 is designed to run on JSE 5.0 and later."
- Chuck
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Re: Support
Posted by Partha Goswami <pa...@globalwebtechsolution.com>.
I asked which version of JDK ?
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:56 AM, Angelica Ardila <ma...@servisoft.com.co>wrote:
> The Apache Tomcat version 6
>
> 2008/10/2, Partha Goswami <pa...@globalwebtechsolution.com>:
> >
> > which version ?
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:50 AM, Angelica Ardila
> > <an...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> > > Good afternoon, my question is this:
> > >
> > > That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
> > >
> > > Thank you very much.
> > >
> > > Angélica Ardila
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> > Partha Goswami
> > President
> > Global Web-Tech Solution
> > www.globalwebtechsolution.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cordialmente,
>
> Angélica Ardila
>
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Re: Support
Posted by Angelica Ardila <ma...@servisoft.com.co>.
The Apache Tomcat version 6
2008/10/2, Partha Goswami <pa...@globalwebtechsolution.com>:
>
> which version ?
>
> On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:50 AM, Angelica Ardila
> <an...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Good afternoon, my question is this:
> >
> > That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Angélica Ardila
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
> Partha Goswami
> President
> Global Web-Tech Solution
> www.globalwebtechsolution.com
>
--
Cordialmente,
Angélica Ardila
Re: Support
Posted by Partha Goswami <pa...@globalwebtechsolution.com>.
which version ?
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:50 AM, Angelica Ardila
<an...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Good afternoon, my question is this:
>
> That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Angélica Ardila
>
--
Regards
Partha Goswami
President
Global Web-Tech Solution
www.globalwebtechsolution.com
Re: Support
Posted by Johnny Kewl <jo...@kewlstuff.co.za>.
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From: "Martin Gainty" <mg...@hotmail.com>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: RE: Support
java jar bootstrap.jar works fine for me..
is there ANY possible workaround to this daemon bug?
Thanks,
Martin Gainty
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> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:10:00 +0100
> From: markt@apache.org
> To: users@tomcat.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Support
>
> Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
> > The msvcr71.dll file (not msvci70.dll, whatever that is) is required to
> > run the Tomcat service launcher, but not needed when Tomcat is run via
> > scripts.
> >
> > The reason it didn't show up on JRE/JDK 5 is because installation of
> > that JVM version slams a copy of the DLL into C:\windows\system32,
> > regardless of what impact that might have on the system. JRE/JDK 6
> > installation follows the rules published by Microsoft, and keeps the DLL
> > in the JVM's bin directory.
> >
> > Tomcat should be distributing the DLL (or otherwise insuring its
> > availability) during installation or setup of the Windows service;
> > however, no one's been able to convince the committers of that yet.
>
> In summary:
> - the JVM requires the dll - this is a JVM bug (Sun do not agree)
> - the best place to hack around this is when the jvm.dll is loaded (ie the
> daemon project)
> - a nice summary and all the pointers needed to fix this are here
> http://www.duckware.com/tech/java6msvcr71.html
> - There is a daemon issue for this
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DAEMON-110
> - Someone with C skills (not me - mine are terrible) needs to write a
> patch.
>
> Anyone takers?
>
> Mark
I think the only way is to open up procrun in VC and recompile it with the
static version of the msvcr71.dll which is msvcr71.lib... then nothing else
changes.
procrun will be slightly larger...
The Duckware guy is really pissed off... but as I see it Sun has been fixing
the issue and is no longer able to because of MS's new dll hell policies.
So its MS's fault... but in fairness MS has always warned people... save
space make it small and leave the libs external, and you may have pain ;)
Its 340k... nowadays no biggy...
Just needs a recompile and it should take the procrun guy all of 10 seconds
to do ;)
Any other way fixes the TC issue... but the problem then remains... procrun
is broken.
... I think
In the means time... if you use Java 6, the service will break, but luckily
the msvcr71.dll you need is in the Java bin.
The real problem is that its going to catch developers, because unless they
told about it, they probably running Adobe, or something else, that like the
JDK 5 was doing is fixing the system... but at the client the TC Service
breaks... more embarassing than anything else.
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RE: Support
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
java jar bootstrap.jar works fine for me..
is there ANY possible workaround to this daemon bug?
Thanks,
Martin Gainty
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> Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 09:10:00 +0100
> From: markt@apache.org
> To: users@tomcat.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Support
>
> Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
> > The msvcr71.dll file (not msvci70.dll, whatever that is) is required to run the Tomcat service launcher, but not needed when Tomcat is run via scripts.
> >
> > The reason it didn't show up on JRE/JDK 5 is because installation of that JVM version slams a copy of the DLL into C:\windows\system32, regardless of what impact that might have on the system. JRE/JDK 6 installation follows the rules published by Microsoft, and keeps the DLL in the JVM's bin directory.
> >
> > Tomcat should be distributing the DLL (or otherwise insuring its availability) during installation or setup of the Windows service; however, no one's been able to convince the committers of that yet.
>
> In summary:
> - the JVM requires the dll - this is a JVM bug (Sun do not agree)
> - the best place to hack around this is when the jvm.dll is loaded (ie the
> daemon project)
> - a nice summary and all the pointers needed to fix this are here
> http://www.duckware.com/tech/java6msvcr71.html
> - There is a daemon issue for this
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DAEMON-110
> - Someone with C skills (not me - mine are terrible) needs to write a patch.
>
> Anyone takers?
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
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Re: Support
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
Caldarale, Charles R wrote:
> The msvcr71.dll file (not msvci70.dll, whatever that is) is required to run the Tomcat service launcher, but not needed when Tomcat is run via scripts.
>
> The reason it didn't show up on JRE/JDK 5 is because installation of that JVM version slams a copy of the DLL into C:\windows\system32, regardless of what impact that might have on the system. JRE/JDK 6 installation follows the rules published by Microsoft, and keeps the DLL in the JVM's bin directory.
>
> Tomcat should be distributing the DLL (or otherwise insuring its availability) during installation or setup of the Windows service; however, no one's been able to convince the committers of that yet.
In summary:
- the JVM requires the dll - this is a JVM bug (Sun do not agree)
- the best place to hack around this is when the jvm.dll is loaded (ie the
daemon project)
- a nice summary and all the pointers needed to fix this are here
http://www.duckware.com/tech/java6msvcr71.html
- There is a daemon issue for this
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/DAEMON-110
- Someone with C skills (not me - mine are terrible) needs to write a patch.
Anyone takers?
Mark
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RE: Support
Posted by "Caldarale, Charles R" <Ch...@unisys.com>.
> From: parthagoswami06@gmail.com
> [mailto:parthagoswami06@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Partha Goswami
> Subject: Re: Support
>
> ah, JDK 6.0 has some issue, in WIndows after installing JDK
> 6.0 & Tomcat
> 6.0 u need to put msvci70.dll from Jdk folder to bin folder
> of tomcat ,
> that's why i was asking. JDK 5 has no issue,
The msvcr71.dll file (not msvci70.dll, whatever that is) is required to run the Tomcat service launcher, but not needed when Tomcat is run via scripts.
The reason it didn't show up on JRE/JDK 5 is because installation of that JVM version slams a copy of the DLL into C:\windows\system32, regardless of what impact that might have on the system. JRE/JDK 6 installation follows the rules published by Microsoft, and keeps the DLL in the JVM's bin directory.
Tomcat should be distributing the DLL (or otherwise insuring its availability) during installation or setup of the Windows service; however, no one's been able to convince the committers of that yet.
- Chuck
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Re: Support
Posted by Partha Goswami <pa...@globalwebtechsolution.com>.
ah, JDK 6.0 has some issue, in WIndows after installing JDK 6.0 & Tomcat
6.0 u need to put msvci70.dll from Jdk folder to bin folder of tomcat ,
that's why i was asking. JDK 5 has no issue,
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 3:59 AM, André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com> wrote:
> Angelica Ardila wrote:
>
>> Good afternoon, my question is this:
>>
>> That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> Angélica Ardila
>>
>> Whichever one you like, dear. ;-)
>
> Seriously now :
> JDK 6 would probably be best, and JDK 5 should work also.
> But if it is only to run Tomcat, the JRE 6 should be enough also.
>
>
>
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Re: Support
Posted by Johnny Kewl <jo...@kewlstuff.co.za>.
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To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 3:42 AM
Subject: RE: Support
> From: Johnny Kewl [mailto:john@kewlstuff.co.za]
> Subject: Re: Support
>
> Normally I always recomment lagging a JRE version as well...
> avoid bleeding edge...
JRE/JDK 6 has been around for almost two years now, so I don't think the
1.6.0_07 download is at all risky. On the other hand, the 1.6.0_10 release
really is bleeding edge. Sun's current versioning scheme does border on the
incomprehensible...
- Chuck
Time flies... damn.
You right its not really a TC server issue, the thing thats at the back of
my mind is that companies are lazy... and I havnt checked lately, but
hopefully Apple has sent out some scouts an discovered theres a new JDK ;)
In theory JDK 6 targeting 5 should be a safe bet, and on TC it is... but
Swing and stuff like that, build it targeting 6, and if then try move it
back to JRE 5... it hurts ;)
TC is almost immune, its a tough product... but what we find its that in the
IDE we have both JDK 5 and JDK 6 loaded... again not really a TC issue.
Sun really seem to be on a mission... for 10 years they were sleeping, but
now they moving at dizzy speed, your customers may not be.
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RE: Support
Posted by "Caldarale, Charles R" <Ch...@unisys.com>.
> From: Johnny Kewl [mailto:john@kewlstuff.co.za]
> Subject: Re: Support
>
> Normally I always recomment lagging a JRE version as well...
> avoid bleeding edge...
JRE/JDK 6 has been around for almost two years now, so I don't think the 1.6.0_07 download is at all risky. On the other hand, the 1.6.0_10 release really is bleeding edge. Sun's current versioning scheme does border on the incomprehensible...
- Chuck
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Re: Support
Posted by Johnny Kewl <jo...@kewlstuff.co.za>.
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From: "André Warnier" <aw...@ice-sa.com>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <us...@tomcat.apache.org>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:29 AM
Subject: Re: Support
> Angelica Ardila wrote:
>> Good afternoon, my question is this:
>>
>> That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
>>
>> Thank you very much.
>>
>> Angélica Ardila
>>
> Whichever one you like, dear. ;-)
Oh Andre... I think we have a Casanova here ;)... you devil you
> Seriously now :
> JDK 6 would probably be best, and JDK 5 should work also.
> But if it is only to run Tomcat, the JRE 6 should be enough also.
Normally I always recomment lagging a JRE version as well... avoid bleeding
edge... but these Profiling tools that came in at JDK 6 rc 6 are so good,
you just have to have it ;)
You devil....
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Re: Support
Posted by André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com>.
Martin Gainty wrote:
>>> Good afternoon, my question is this:
>>>
>>> That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
>>>
>>> Thank you very much.
>>>
>>> Angélica Ardila
>>>
>> Whichever one you like, dear. ;-)
>
> i'll wait for christopher schultz response to this answer
>
You are already a few off-list exchanges too late for that.
;-)
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RE: Support
Posted by Martin Gainty <mg...@hotmail.com>.
> > Good afternoon, my question is this:
> >
> > That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
> >
> > Thank you very much.
> >
> > Angélica Ardila
> >
> Whichever one you like, dear. ;-)
i'll wait for christopher schultz response to this answer
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Re: Support
Posted by André Warnier <aw...@ice-sa.com>.
Angelica Ardila wrote:
> Good afternoon, my question is this:
>
> That version of JDK should I use for the Tomcat 6?
>
> Thank you very much.
>
> Angélica Ardila
>
Whichever one you like, dear. ;-)
Seriously now :
JDK 6 would probably be best, and JDK 5 should work also.
But if it is only to run Tomcat, the JRE 6 should be enough also.
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