You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Benjamin Young <by...@bigbluehat.com> on 2016/10/05 14:22:52 UTC
[Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
The incubator list is pretty popular. ;) Not less so these days with the NetBeans discussions, etc.
I’d like to propose (fwiw) that a mailing list be setup to ask for wiki access (perhaps wiki@incubator.a.o) and that it be used primarily for that purpose. If possible, the list could be setup to receive emails from anyone (without prior subscription) to avoid the need to “hang around” on that list if all you needed was to make an edit somewhere.
Alternatively, perhaps a web form could be setup to mail the IPMC directly.
Or, the much harder alternative, moving to Confluence, which I think avoids this request need / has it’s own more automated way of handling such things (maybe).
The hope is just to reduce the signal to noise ratio here—which is already quite high due to so many projects talking in one general space.
Thanks for considering this idea!
Benjamin
--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
Re: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
Posted by Myrle Krantz <mk...@mifos.org>.
My 2 cents:
There is no solution to the extra traffic on this list. Access to
confluence or an extra list would still need to be granted to avoid spam,
and people who don't know where to ask are going to ask on the incubator
list no matter what you do. Making the process more complex or less
intuitive will probably actually increase the traffic on this list.
Still, I'm for moving future incubator reports to confluence. Editing in
confluence is easier and more appealing. I don't know what everyone else is
doing, but Fineract has generally prepared their report in confluence and
then copied it over. Copying over is obnoxious, because you have to redo
the formatting. If the target document were in confluence, the formatting
could be copied with the text.
The current situation is annoying but not the end of the world.
Greets from the Voreifel, Germany,
Myrle
*Myrle Krantz*
Solutions Architect
RɅĐɅЯ, The Mifos Initiative
mkrantz@mifos.org | Skype: mkrantz.mifos.org | http://mifos.org
<http://facebook.com/mifos> <http://www.twitter.com/mifos>
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 10:23 PM, Benjamin Young <by...@bigbluehat.com>
wrote:
> The `[wiki]` prefix would help from an email curation perspective, but it
> depends on who’s adding it. If it’s new users, that seems unlikely.
>
>
>
> Perhaps the wiki@incubator list is an option? It’s really a very narrow
> target audience that needs to / cares to know about the requests. However,
> the “new person” having to sign-up for a list, then post their request,
> then (likely) unsubscribe feels very fiddly…
>
>
>
> I might be wanting more than can be setup given the current setup. ;)
>
>
>
> Taking these initial rocks out of “new person” shoes and also streamlining
> the approval / setup flow for the IPMC seems (generally) like a Good Thing,
> but I do understand some things are easier to change than to leave as they
> are.
>
>
>
> /me goes back to his delete button. ;)
>
>
>
> --
> http://bigbluehat.com/
> http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>
>
>
> From: Bertrand Delacretaz<ma...@apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 12:46 PM
> To: Incubator General<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:35 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > ...Is the concern that its too much email?...
>
> If that's that, a [wiki] subject line tag should do.
>
> -Bertrand
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
RE: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
Posted by Benjamin Young <by...@bigbluehat.com>.
The `[wiki]` prefix would help from an email curation perspective, but it depends on who’s adding it. If it’s new users, that seems unlikely.
Perhaps the wiki@incubator list is an option? It’s really a very narrow target audience that needs to / cares to know about the requests. However, the “new person” having to sign-up for a list, then post their request, then (likely) unsubscribe feels very fiddly…
I might be wanting more than can be setup given the current setup. ;)
Taking these initial rocks out of “new person” shoes and also streamlining the approval / setup flow for the IPMC seems (generally) like a Good Thing, but I do understand some things are easier to change than to leave as they are.
/me goes back to his delete button. ;)
--
http://bigbluehat.com/
http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
From: Bertrand Delacretaz<ma...@apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 5, 2016 12:46 PM
To: Incubator General<ma...@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:35 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Is the concern that its too much email?...
If that's that, a [wiki] subject line tag should do.
-Bertrand
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 6:35 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...Is the concern that its too much email?...
If that's that, a [wiki] subject line tag should do.
-Bertrand
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@gmail.com>.
The requests to get edit access to the incubator's wiki is always higher
around the time of report submission. Is the concern that its too much
email?
John
On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 12:32 PM Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 05/10/2016 17:23, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
> > I think it's important that non-Apache folks have an easy way to edit
> > their proposal as there will typically be changes suggested after they
> > post it here; having the proposal editing "Apache only" would not be
> > too good for newcomers although the champion would always be able to
> > do it.
> >
> > But +1 for a move to Confluence which has its own registration system.
>
> That won't help. Individual users still need to be granted edit privs.
> If we grant edit to any registered user, the wiki gets spammed massively.
>
> Mark
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
Re: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
Posted by Mark Thomas <ma...@apache.org>.
On 05/10/2016 17:23, Stian Soiland-Reyes wrote:
> I think it's important that non-Apache folks have an easy way to edit
> their proposal as there will typically be changes suggested after they
> post it here; having the proposal editing "Apache only" would not be
> too good for newcomers although the champion would always be able to
> do it.
>
> But +1 for a move to Confluence which has its own registration system.
That won't help. Individual users still need to be granted edit privs.
If we grant edit to any registered user, the wiki gets spammed massively.
Mark
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
Posted by Stian Soiland-Reyes <st...@apache.org>.
I think it's important that non-Apache folks have an easy way to edit
their proposal as there will typically be changes suggested after they
post it here; having the proposal editing "Apache only" would not be
too good for newcomers although the champion would always be able to
do it.
But +1 for a move to Confluence which has its own registration system.
(If we could have Confluence also for the podling reports.. that would
be awesome!)
On 5 October 2016 at 16:35, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
> Are most requesters already committers, or no?
>
> If so, then *cough* whimsy tool *cough*. That's a place we can create
> simple AUTH'd request tools that channelize things; even as a front end,
> it would ensure the requests have a specific which-wiki, who is the
> username, etc. that you don't always get from emails.
>
> Just a crazy idea I can't help with yet. But agree: finding ways to
> reduce non-interesting threads here would help people follow the
> interesting discussions or votes.
>
> - Shane
>
> Benjamin Young wrote on 10/5/16 10:22 AM:
>> The incubator list is pretty popular. ;) Not less so these days with
>> the NetBeans discussions, etc.
>>
>> I’d like to propose (fwiw) that a mailing list be setup to ask for
>> wiki access (perhaps wiki@incubator.a.o) and that it be used
>> primarily for that purpose. If possible, the list could be setup to
>> receive emails from anyone (without prior subscription) to avoid the
>> need to “hang around” on that list if all you needed was to make an
>> edit somewhere.
>>
>> Alternatively, perhaps a web form could be setup to mail the IPMC
>> directly.
>>
>> Or, the much harder alternative, moving to Confluence, which I think
>> avoids this request need / has it’s own more automated way of
>> handling such things (maybe).
>>
>> The hope is just to reduce the signal to noise ratio here—which is
>> already quite high due to so many projects talking in one general
>> space.
>>
>> Thanks for considering this idea! Benjamin
>>
>> -- http://bigbluehat.com/ http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>>
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
--
Stian Soiland-Reyes
http://orcid.org/0000-0001-9842-9718
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
Re: [Proposal] Move Wiki Access Requests somewhere
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Are most requesters already committers, or no?
If so, then *cough* whimsy tool *cough*. That's a place we can create
simple AUTH'd request tools that channelize things; even as a front end,
it would ensure the requests have a specific which-wiki, who is the
username, etc. that you don't always get from emails.
Just a crazy idea I can't help with yet. But agree: finding ways to
reduce non-interesting threads here would help people follow the
interesting discussions or votes.
- Shane
Benjamin Young wrote on 10/5/16 10:22 AM:
> The incubator list is pretty popular. ;) Not less so these days with
> the NetBeans discussions, etc.
>
> I\u2019d like to propose (fwiw) that a mailing list be setup to ask for
> wiki access (perhaps wiki@incubator.a.o) and that it be used
> primarily for that purpose. If possible, the list could be setup to
> receive emails from anyone (without prior subscription) to avoid the
> need to \u201chang around\u201d on that list if all you needed was to make an
> edit somewhere.
>
> Alternatively, perhaps a web form could be setup to mail the IPMC
> directly.
>
> Or, the much harder alternative, moving to Confluence, which I think
> avoids this request need / has it\u2019s own more automated way of
> handling such things (maybe).
>
> The hope is just to reduce the signal to noise ratio here\u2014which is
> already quite high due to so many projects talking in one general
> space.
>
> Thanks for considering this idea! Benjamin
>
> -- http://bigbluehat.com/ http://linkedin.com/in/benjaminyoung
>
---------------------------------------------------------------------
To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org