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Posted to user@tuscany.apache.org by haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> on 2008/04/02 08:05:39 UTC
Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Hi Stephane,
Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a component
to a sub project change its future development and focus?
Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that I
recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would be great
if you could provide more content about what is available and what version
of Tuscany it works with.
[1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
Haleh
On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I lead the
> > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project [1].
> > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the STP SCA *
> > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested party
> of
> > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on this
> issue.
> > So the discussion is open ;)
> >
> > Thanks very much.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Stéphane Drapeau
> > Obeo
> >
> >
> > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> >
>
> Hi Stephane,
>
> Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community to get
> involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
>
> Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an outline?
>
> Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> "interested parties" in such a proposal?
>
> Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> --
> Jean-Sebastien
>
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jean-Sebastien, all,
Thanks for your comments.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org>
wrote:
> The proposal looks pretty good to me. I have a few comments/questions:
>
> - Are you going to have tools to create SCA contributions,
> imports/exports, contribution dependencies etc?
Yes.
I haven't defined components for these tools because they don't seem "big"
enough to create specific components.
>
> - You mention validation rules in the EMF model. Will the tool create
> problems, warnings, tasks etc in the Eclipse problem view?
Yes.
I have already implemented some of these rules. Currently I don't have
enough resources to work more on this part.
>
> - Do you have any plans to provide hooks to Run/Debug SCA components from
> the tool?
>
> - Are you going to cover any of the SCA domain and deployment aspects,
> like deploying SCA contributions and composites to an SCA domain shared by a
> team for example?
These two last items will be covered by the SCA Integration component and
other components of STP like the SOA System component. I will discuss more
on this (in the coming weeks) with the leaders of the other STP components
that adress packaging, deployment, and policies to define better the role of
everyone.
>
>
> +1 from me to have Tuscany listed as an interested party.
>
> --
> Jean-Sebastien
>
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>
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jean-Sebastien, all,
Thanks for your comments.
On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org>
wrote:
> The proposal looks pretty good to me. I have a few comments/questions:
>
> - Are you going to have tools to create SCA contributions,
> imports/exports, contribution dependencies etc?
Yes.
I haven't defined components for these tools because they don't seem "big"
enough to create specific components.
>
> - You mention validation rules in the EMF model. Will the tool create
> problems, warnings, tasks etc in the Eclipse problem view?
Yes.
I have already implemented some of these rules. Currently I don't have
enough resources to work more on this part.
>
> - Do you have any plans to provide hooks to Run/Debug SCA components from
> the tool?
>
> - Are you going to cover any of the SCA domain and deployment aspects,
> like deploying SCA contributions and composites to an SCA domain shared by a
> team for example?
These two last items will be covered by the SCA Integration component and
other components of STP like the SOA System component. I will discuss more
on this (in the coming weeks) with the leaders of the other STP components
that adress packaging, deployment, and policies to define better the role of
everyone.
>
>
> +1 from me to have Tuscany listed as an interested party.
>
> --
> Jean-Sebastien
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>
>
Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org>.
Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I created an entry [0] in the Eclipse bugzilla with the proposal.
> Your comments are welcome.
>
> Best regards
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
> [0]: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=225956
>
The proposal looks pretty good to me. I have a few comments/questions:
- Are you going to have tools to create SCA contributions,
imports/exports, contribution dependencies etc?
- You mention validation rules in the EMF model. Will the tool create
problems, warnings, tasks etc in the Eclipse problem view?
- Do you have any plans to provide hooks to Run/Debug SCA components
from the tool?
- Are you going to cover any of the SCA domain and deployment aspects,
like deploying SCA contributions and composites to an SCA domain shared
by a team for example?
+1 from me to have Tuscany listed as an interested party.
--
Jean-Sebastien
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
+1, good for both projects. And to reply to a comment in the original email
- I'm not sure that we really need an explicit vote for this can just assume
from all the positive comments so far and lazy consensus that its fine
unless someone complains (which i'm sure they wont).
...ant
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Simon Nash <na...@apache.org> wrote:
> This proposal looks good to me. I'd be happy to see the
> Apache Tuscany project listed as an interested party.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I created an entry [0] in the Eclipse bugzilla with the proposal.
> > Your comments are welcome.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Stéphane Drapeau
> > Obeo
> >
> > [0]: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=225956
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Haleh, Raymond,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your answers.
> > >
> > > Haleh, you're right. I make no distinction between tools for SCA
> > > developers and tools for SCA users. The goal of the project is to
> > > develop
> > > tools to help users of the SCA technology. I will modify my sentence.
> > >
> > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > Obeo
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:21 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Stephan,
> > > >
> > > > This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more
> > > > focus :)
> > > > I have a question.
> > > >
> > > > You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set
> > > > of
> > > > tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
> > > >
> > > > What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this
> > > > context?
> > > >
> > > > Haleh
> > > >
> > > > On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of
> > > > > the
> > > > > proposed project.
> > > > >
> > > > > The outline is:
> > > > > 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the
> > > > > STP/SCA
> > > > > component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level
> > > > >
> > > > project
> > > >
> > > > > STP.
> > > > > 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing
> > > > >
> > > > STP/SCA
> > > >
> > > > > component.
> > > > > 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a
> > > > > set
> > > > >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > > > tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to
> > > > > link
> > > > >
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > > > sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy
> > > > >
> > > > Editor)
> > > >
> > > > > 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA
> > > > >
> > > > Composite
> > > >
> > > > > Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA
> > > > > Integration
> > > > > (integration with other STP components)
> > > > > 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M,
> > > > > ...
> > > > > 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top
> > > > > level
> > > > > project STP.
> > > > > 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
> > > > > 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the
> > > > >
> > > > initial
> > > >
> > > > > code.
> > > > > 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and
> > > > > communities
> > > > >
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > > > support the creation of the project. They don't take other
> > > > >
> > > > engagements.
> > > >
> > > > > 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we
> > > > >
> > > > develop
> > > >
> > > > > around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
> > > > > - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse
> > > > >
> > > > community
> > > >
> > > > > if we are identified as a sub-project.
> > > > > - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
> > > > > - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new
> > > > > features
> > > > > described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
> > > > > - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a
> > > > >
> > > > sub-project
> > > >
> > > > > leader.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the near future all STP components will become STP
> > > > > sub-projects. To
> > > > > summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
> > > > > I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
> > > > > If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA
> > > > > Composite
> > > > > Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA".
> > > > > You
> > > > >
> > > > can
> > > >
> > > > > add
> > > > > it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different
> > > > > information.
> > > > > My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also
> > > > >
> > > > introduce a
> > > >
> > > > > tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer
> > > > > and
> > > > > Tuscany
> > > > > 1.1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > > Obeo
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > component
> > > > > > to a sub project change its future development and focus?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of
> > > > > > that
> > > > > >
> > > > > I
> > > >
> > > > > recently added a website page [1] to collect more information
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It
> > > > > > would
> > > > > >
> > > > > be
> > > >
> > > > > great
> > > > > > if you could provide more content about what is available and
> > > > > > what
> > > > > >
> > > > > version
> > > > >
> > > > > > of Tuscany it works with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haleh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > lead
> > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1].
> > > >
> > > > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > STP
> > > >
> > > > > SCA
> > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > > > > > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as
> > > > > > > > interested
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > party
> > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > > > > > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > this
> > > >
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks very much.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > > > > > Obeo
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > to
> > > >
> > > > > get
> > > > >
> > > > > > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > outline?
> > > >
> > > > > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > > > > > > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jean-Sebastien
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
> > >
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
+1, good for both projects. And to reply to a comment in the original email
- I'm not sure that we really need an explicit vote for this can just assume
from all the positive comments so far and lazy consensus that its fine
unless someone complains (which i'm sure they wont).
...ant
On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Simon Nash <na...@apache.org> wrote:
> This proposal looks good to me. I'd be happy to see the
> Apache Tuscany project listed as an interested party.
>
> Simon
>
>
> Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I created an entry [0] in the Eclipse bugzilla with the proposal.
> > Your comments are welcome.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Stéphane Drapeau
> > Obeo
> >
> > [0]: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=225956
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Haleh, Raymond,
> > >
> > > Thank you for your answers.
> > >
> > > Haleh, you're right. I make no distinction between tools for SCA
> > > developers and tools for SCA users. The goal of the project is to
> > > develop
> > > tools to help users of the SCA technology. I will modify my sentence.
> > >
> > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > Obeo
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:21 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Stephan,
> > > >
> > > > This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more
> > > > focus :)
> > > > I have a question.
> > > >
> > > > You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set
> > > > of
> > > > tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
> > > >
> > > > What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this
> > > > context?
> > > >
> > > > Haleh
> > > >
> > > > On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
> > > > >
> > > > > The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of
> > > > > the
> > > > > proposed project.
> > > > >
> > > > > The outline is:
> > > > > 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the
> > > > > STP/SCA
> > > > > component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level
> > > > >
> > > > project
> > > >
> > > > > STP.
> > > > > 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing
> > > > >
> > > > STP/SCA
> > > >
> > > > > component.
> > > > > 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a
> > > > > set
> > > > >
> > > > of
> > > >
> > > > > tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to
> > > > > link
> > > > >
> > > > this
> > > >
> > > > > sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy
> > > > >
> > > > Editor)
> > > >
> > > > > 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA
> > > > >
> > > > Composite
> > > >
> > > > > Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA
> > > > > Integration
> > > > > (integration with other STP components)
> > > > > 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M,
> > > > > ...
> > > > > 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top
> > > > > level
> > > > > project STP.
> > > > > 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
> > > > > 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the
> > > > >
> > > > initial
> > > >
> > > > > code.
> > > > > 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and
> > > > > communities
> > > > >
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > > > support the creation of the project. They don't take other
> > > > >
> > > > engagements.
> > > >
> > > > > 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
> > > > >
> > > > > Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we
> > > > >
> > > > develop
> > > >
> > > > > around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
> > > > > - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse
> > > > >
> > > > community
> > > >
> > > > > if we are identified as a sub-project.
> > > > > - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
> > > > > - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new
> > > > > features
> > > > > described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
> > > > > - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a
> > > > >
> > > > sub-project
> > > >
> > > > > leader.
> > > > >
> > > > > In the near future all STP components will become STP
> > > > > sub-projects. To
> > > > > summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
> > > > > I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
> > > > > If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
> > > > >
> > > > > Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA
> > > > > Composite
> > > > > Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA".
> > > > > You
> > > > >
> > > > can
> > > >
> > > > > add
> > > > > it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different
> > > > > information.
> > > > > My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also
> > > > >
> > > > introduce a
> > > >
> > > > > tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer
> > > > > and
> > > > > Tuscany
> > > > > 1.1.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > > Obeo
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>
> > > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > component
> > > > > > to a sub project change its future development and focus?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of
> > > > > > that
> > > > > >
> > > > > I
> > > >
> > > > > recently added a website page [1] to collect more information
> > > > > > about
> > > > > > available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It
> > > > > > would
> > > > > >
> > > > > be
> > > >
> > > > > great
> > > > > > if you could provide more content about what is available and
> > > > > > what
> > > > > >
> > > > > version
> > > > >
> > > > > > of Tuscany it works with.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haleh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and
> > > > > > > > I
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > lead
> > > >
> > > > > the
> > > > >
> > > > > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1].
> > > >
> > > > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > STP
> > > >
> > > > > SCA
> > > > >
> > > > > > *
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > > > > > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as
> > > > > > > > interested
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > party
> > > > >
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > > > > > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > this
> > > >
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks very much.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > > > > > Obeo
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany
> > > > > > > community
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > to
> > > >
> > > > > get
> > > > >
> > > > > > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > outline?
> > > >
> > > > > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > > > > > > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jean-Sebastien
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > > >
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Simon Nash <na...@apache.org>.
This proposal looks good to me. I'd be happy to see the
Apache Tuscany project listed as an interested party.
Simon
Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I created an entry [0] in the Eclipse bugzilla with the proposal.
> Your comments are welcome.
>
> Best regards
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
> [0]: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=225956
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Haleh, Raymond,
>>
>> Thank you for your answers.
>>
>> Haleh, you're right. I make no distinction between tools for SCA
>> developers and tools for SCA users. The goal of the project is to develop
>> tools to help users of the SCA technology. I will modify my sentence.
>>
>> Stéphane Drapeau
>> Obeo
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:21 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephan,
>>>
>>> This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more focus :)
>>> I have a question.
>>>
>>> You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
>>> tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
>>>
>>> What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this
>>> context?
>>>
>>> Haleh
>>>
>>> On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
>>>>
>>>> The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
>>>> proposed project.
>>>>
>>>> The outline is:
>>>> 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
>>>> component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level
>>> project
>>>> STP.
>>>> 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing
>>> STP/SCA
>>>> component.
>>>> 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set
>>> of
>>>> tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link
>>> this
>>>> sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy
>>> Editor)
>>>> 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA
>>> Composite
>>>> Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
>>>> (integration with other STP components)
>>>> 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
>>>> 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
>>>> project STP.
>>>> 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
>>>> 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the
>>> initial
>>>> code.
>>>> 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities
>>> that
>>>> support the creation of the project. They don't take other
>>> engagements.
>>>> 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
>>>>
>>>> Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we
>>> develop
>>>> around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
>>>> - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse
>>> community
>>>> if we are identified as a sub-project.
>>>> - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
>>>> - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
>>>> described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
>>>> - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a
>>> sub-project
>>>> leader.
>>>>
>>>> In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
>>>> summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
>>>> I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
>>>> If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
>>>>
>>>> Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
>>>> Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You
>>> can
>>>> add
>>>> it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
>>>> My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also
>>> introduce a
>>>> tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and
>>>> Tuscany
>>>> 1.1.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane Drapeau
>>>> Obeo
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Stephane,
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
>>>>> component
>>>>> to a sub project change its future development and focus?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that
>>> I
>>>>> recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
>>>>> available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would
>>> be
>>>>> great
>>>>> if you could provide more content about what is available and what
>>>> version
>>>>> of Tuscany it works with.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Haleh
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I
>>> lead
>>>> the
>>>>>>> Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project
>>> [1].
>>>>>>> Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the
>>> STP
>>>> SCA
>>>>> *
>>>>>>> component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
>>>>>>> I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested
>>>> party
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> our proposal. It's purely administrative.
>>>>>>> Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on
>>> this
>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>> So the discussion is open ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stéphane Drapeau
>>>>>>> Obeo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Stephane,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community
>>> to
>>>> get
>>>>>> involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an
>>> outline?
>>>>>> Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
>>>>>> "interested parties" in such a proposal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Sebastien
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org>.
Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I created an entry [0] in the Eclipse bugzilla with the proposal.
> Your comments are welcome.
>
> Best regards
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
> [0]: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=225956
>
The proposal looks pretty good to me. I have a few comments/questions:
- Are you going to have tools to create SCA contributions,
imports/exports, contribution dependencies etc?
- You mention validation rules in the EMF model. Will the tool create
problems, warnings, tasks etc in the Eclipse problem view?
- Do you have any plans to provide hooks to Run/Debug SCA components
from the tool?
- Are you going to cover any of the SCA domain and deployment aspects,
like deploying SCA contributions and composites to an SCA domain shared
by a team for example?
+1 from me to have Tuscany listed as an interested party.
--
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Simon Nash <na...@apache.org>.
This proposal looks good to me. I'd be happy to see the
Apache Tuscany project listed as an interested party.
Simon
Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I created an entry [0] in the Eclipse bugzilla with the proposal.
> Your comments are welcome.
>
> Best regards
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
> [0]: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=225956
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Haleh, Raymond,
>>
>> Thank you for your answers.
>>
>> Haleh, you're right. I make no distinction between tools for SCA
>> developers and tools for SCA users. The goal of the project is to develop
>> tools to help users of the SCA technology. I will modify my sentence.
>>
>> Stéphane Drapeau
>> Obeo
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:21 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephan,
>>>
>>> This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more focus :)
>>> I have a question.
>>>
>>> You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
>>> tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
>>>
>>> What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this
>>> context?
>>>
>>> Haleh
>>>
>>> On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
>>>>
>>>> The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
>>>> proposed project.
>>>>
>>>> The outline is:
>>>> 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
>>>> component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level
>>> project
>>>> STP.
>>>> 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing
>>> STP/SCA
>>>> component.
>>>> 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set
>>> of
>>>> tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link
>>> this
>>>> sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy
>>> Editor)
>>>> 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA
>>> Composite
>>>> Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
>>>> (integration with other STP components)
>>>> 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
>>>> 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
>>>> project STP.
>>>> 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
>>>> 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the
>>> initial
>>>> code.
>>>> 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities
>>> that
>>>> support the creation of the project. They don't take other
>>> engagements.
>>>> 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
>>>>
>>>> Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we
>>> develop
>>>> around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
>>>> - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse
>>> community
>>>> if we are identified as a sub-project.
>>>> - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
>>>> - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
>>>> described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
>>>> - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a
>>> sub-project
>>>> leader.
>>>>
>>>> In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
>>>> summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
>>>> I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
>>>> If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
>>>>
>>>> Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
>>>> Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You
>>> can
>>>> add
>>>> it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
>>>> My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also
>>> introduce a
>>>> tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and
>>>> Tuscany
>>>> 1.1.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane Drapeau
>>>> Obeo
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Stephane,
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
>>>>> component
>>>>> to a sub project change its future development and focus?
>>>>>
>>>>> Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that
>>> I
>>>>> recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
>>>>> available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would
>>> be
>>>>> great
>>>>> if you could provide more content about what is available and what
>>>> version
>>>>> of Tuscany it works with.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Haleh
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I
>>> lead
>>>> the
>>>>>>> Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project
>>> [1].
>>>>>>> Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the
>>> STP
>>>> SCA
>>>>> *
>>>>>>> component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
>>>>>>> I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested
>>>> party
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> our proposal. It's purely administrative.
>>>>>>> Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on
>>> this
>>>>>> issue.
>>>>>>> So the discussion is open ;)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks very much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stéphane Drapeau
>>>>>>> Obeo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Stephane,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community
>>> to
>>>> get
>>>>>> involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an
>>> outline?
>>>>>> Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
>>>>>> "interested parties" in such a proposal?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jean-Sebastien
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I created an entry [0] in the Eclipse bugzilla with the proposal.
Your comments are welcome.
Best regards
Stéphane Drapeau
Obeo
[0]: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=225956
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Haleh, Raymond,
>
> Thank you for your answers.
>
> Haleh, you're right. I make no distinction between tools for SCA
> developers and tools for SCA users. The goal of the project is to develop
> tools to help users of the SCA technology. I will modify my sentence.
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:21 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Stephan,
> >
> > This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more focus :)
> > I have a question.
> >
> > You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
> > tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
> >
> > What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this
> > context?
> >
> > Haleh
> >
> > On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
> > >
> > > The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
> > > proposed project.
> > >
> > > The outline is:
> > > 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
> > > component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level
> > project
> > > STP.
> > > 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing
> > STP/SCA
> > > component.
> > > 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set
> > of
> > > tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link
> > this
> > > sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy
> > Editor)
> > > 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA
> > Composite
> > > Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
> > > (integration with other STP components)
> > > 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
> > > 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
> > > project STP.
> > > 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
> > > 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the
> > initial
> > > code.
> > > 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities
> > that
> > > support the creation of the project. They don't take other
> > engagements.
> > > 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
> > >
> > > Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we
> > develop
> > > around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
> > > - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse
> > community
> > > if we are identified as a sub-project.
> > > - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
> > > - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
> > > described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
> > > - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a
> > sub-project
> > > leader.
> > >
> > > In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
> > > summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
> > > I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
> > > If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
> > >
> > > Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
> > > Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You
> > can
> > > add
> > > it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
> > > My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also
> > introduce a
> > > tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and
> > > Tuscany
> > > 1.1.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > Obeo
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
> > > > component
> > > > to a sub project change its future development and focus?
> > > >
> > > > Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that
> > I
> > > > recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
> > > > available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would
> > be
> > > > great
> > > > if you could provide more content about what is available and what
> > > version
> > > > of Tuscany it works with.
> > > >
> > > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Haleh
> > > >
> > > > On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I
> > lead
> > > the
> > > > > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project
> > [1].
> > > > > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the
> > STP
> > > SCA
> > > > *
> > > > > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > > > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested
> > > party
> > > > > of
> > > > > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > > > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on
> > this
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks very much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > > > Obeo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community
> > to
> > > get
> > > > > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an
> > outline?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > > > > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jean-Sebastien
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I created an entry [0] in the Eclipse bugzilla with the proposal.
Your comments are welcome.
Best regards
Stéphane Drapeau
Obeo
[0]: https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=225956
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 11:10 AM, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Haleh, Raymond,
>
> Thank you for your answers.
>
> Haleh, you're right. I make no distinction between tools for SCA
> developers and tools for SCA users. The goal of the project is to develop
> tools to help users of the SCA technology. I will modify my sentence.
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:21 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Stephan,
> >
> > This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more focus :)
> > I have a question.
> >
> > You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
> > tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
> >
> > What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this
> > context?
> >
> > Haleh
> >
> > On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
> > >
> > > The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
> > > proposed project.
> > >
> > > The outline is:
> > > 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
> > > component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level
> > project
> > > STP.
> > > 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing
> > STP/SCA
> > > component.
> > > 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set
> > of
> > > tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link
> > this
> > > sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy
> > Editor)
> > > 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA
> > Composite
> > > Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
> > > (integration with other STP components)
> > > 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
> > > 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
> > > project STP.
> > > 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
> > > 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the
> > initial
> > > code.
> > > 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities
> > that
> > > support the creation of the project. They don't take other
> > engagements.
> > > 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
> > >
> > > Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we
> > develop
> > > around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
> > > - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse
> > community
> > > if we are identified as a sub-project.
> > > - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
> > > - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
> > > described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
> > > - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a
> > sub-project
> > > leader.
> > >
> > > In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
> > > summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
> > > I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
> > > If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
> > >
> > > Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
> > > Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You
> > can
> > > add
> > > it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
> > > My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also
> > introduce a
> > > tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and
> > > Tuscany
> > > 1.1.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > Obeo
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
> > > > component
> > > > to a sub project change its future development and focus?
> > > >
> > > > Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that
> > I
> > > > recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
> > > > available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would
> > be
> > > > great
> > > > if you could provide more content about what is available and what
> > > version
> > > > of Tuscany it works with.
> > > >
> > > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Haleh
> > > >
> > > > On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I
> > lead
> > > the
> > > > > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project
> > [1].
> > > > > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the
> > STP
> > > SCA
> > > > *
> > > > > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > > > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested
> > > party
> > > > > of
> > > > > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > > > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on
> > this
> > > > > issue.
> > > > > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks very much.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Best regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > > > Obeo
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community
> > to
> > > get
> > > > > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an
> > outline?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > > > > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jean-Sebastien
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>.
Haleh, Raymond,
Thank you for your answers.
Haleh, you're right. I make no distinction between tools for SCA developers
and tools for SCA users. The goal of the project is to develop tools to help
users of the SCA technology. I will modify my sentence.
Stéphane Drapeau
Obeo
On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 6:21 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Stephan,
>
> This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more focus :)
> I have a question.
>
> You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
> tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
>
> What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this context?
>
> Haleh
>
> On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
> >
> > The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
> > proposed project.
> >
> > The outline is:
> > 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
> > component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level project
> > STP.
> > 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing
> STP/SCA
> > component.
> > 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
> > tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link
> this
> > sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy
> Editor)
> > 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA Composite
> > Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
> > (integration with other STP components)
> > 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
> > 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
> > project STP.
> > 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
> > 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the initial
> > code.
> > 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities that
> > support the creation of the project. They don't take other engagements.
> > 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
> >
> > Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we develop
> > around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
> > - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse
> community
> > if we are identified as a sub-project.
> > - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
> > - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
> > described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
> > - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a
> sub-project
> > leader.
> >
> > In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
> > summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
> > I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
> > If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
> >
> > Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
> > Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You can
> > add
> > it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
> > My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also introduce
> a
> > tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and
> > Tuscany
> > 1.1.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Stéphane Drapeau
> > Obeo
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Stephane,
> > >
> > > Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
> > > component
> > > to a sub project change its future development and focus?
> > >
> > > Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that I
> > > recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
> > > available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would be
> > > great
> > > if you could provide more content about what is available and what
> > version
> > > of Tuscany it works with.
> > >
> > > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
> > >
> > >
> > > Haleh
> > >
> > > On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I lead
> > the
> > > > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project [1].
> > > > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the STP
> > SCA
> > > *
> > > > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested
> > party
> > > > of
> > > > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on
> this
> > > > issue.
> > > > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks very much.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > > Obeo
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Stephane,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community to
> > get
> > > > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> > > >
> > > > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an
> outline?
> > > >
> > > > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > > > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> > > >
> > > > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > > > --
> > > > Jean-Sebastien
> > > >
> > > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>.
Hi Stephan,
This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more focus :)
I have a question.
You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this context?
Haleh
On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
>
> The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
> proposed project.
>
> The outline is:
> 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
> component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level project
> STP.
> 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing STP/SCA
> component.
> 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
> tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link this
> sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy Editor)
> 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA Composite
> Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
> (integration with other STP components)
> 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
> 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
> project STP.
> 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
> 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the initial
> code.
> 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities that
> support the creation of the project. They don't take other engagements.
> 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
>
> Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we develop
> around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
> - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse community
> if we are identified as a sub-project.
> - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
> - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
> described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
> - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a sub-project
> leader.
>
> In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
> summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
> I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
> If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
>
> Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
> Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You can
> add
> it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
> My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also introduce a
> tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and
> Tuscany
> 1.1.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Stephane,
> >
> > Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
> > component
> > to a sub project change its future development and focus?
> >
> > Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that I
> > recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
> > available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would be
> > great
> > if you could provide more content about what is available and what
> version
> > of Tuscany it works with.
> >
> > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
> >
> >
> > Haleh
> >
> > On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I lead
> the
> > > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project [1].
> > > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the STP
> SCA
> > *
> > > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested
> party
> > > of
> > > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on this
> > > issue.
> > > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks very much.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > Obeo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Stephane,
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community to
> get
> > > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> > >
> > > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an outline?
> > >
> > > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> > >
> > > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > > --
> > > Jean-Sebastien
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com>.
Hi Stephan,
This looks good since it looks like tools for SCA will get more focus :)
I have a question.
You mention "the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
tools for SCA developers and SCA users".
What is the difference between SCA developer and SCA user in this context?
Haleh
On 4/2/08, Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
>
> The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
> proposed project.
>
> The outline is:
> 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
> component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level project
> STP.
> 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing STP/SCA
> component.
> 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
> tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link this
> sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy Editor)
> 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA Composite
> Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
> (integration with other STP components)
> 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
> 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
> project STP.
> 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
> 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the initial
> code.
> 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities that
> support the creation of the project. They don't take other engagements.
> 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
>
> Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we develop
> around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
> - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse community
> if we are identified as a sub-project.
> - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
> - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
> described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
> - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a sub-project
> leader.
>
> In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
> summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
> I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
> If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
>
> Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
> Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You can
> add
> it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
> My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also introduce a
> tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and
> Tuscany
> 1.1.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Stephane,
> >
> > Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
> > component
> > to a sub project change its future development and focus?
> >
> > Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that I
> > recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
> > available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would be
> > great
> > if you could provide more content about what is available and what
> version
> > of Tuscany it works with.
> >
> > [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
> >
> >
> > Haleh
> >
> > On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I lead
> the
> > > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project [1].
> > > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the STP
> SCA
> > *
> > > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested
> party
> > > of
> > > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on this
> > > issue.
> > > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks very much.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > > Obeo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hi Stephane,
> > >
> > > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community to
> get
> > > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> > >
> > > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an outline?
> > >
> > > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> > >
> > > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > > --
> > > Jean-Sebastien
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
The proposal looks good to me. IMO, having SCA tools as a sub-project under
STP will benefit the growing SCA community. I look forward to seeing an
smooth end-to-end development/deployment experience with better alignment
between the two projects.
Thanks,
Raymond
--------------------------------------------------
From: "Stéphane Drapeau" <st...@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 2:20 AM
To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
Cc: "Tuscany Users" <tu...@ws.apache.org>
Subject: Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
> Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
>
> The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
> proposed project.
>
> The outline is:
> 1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
> component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level project
> STP.
> 2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing STP/SCA
> component.
> 3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
> tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link this
> sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy Editor)
> 4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA Composite
> Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
> (integration with other STP components)
> 5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
> 6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
> project STP.
> 7. A list of proposed initial committers.
> 8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the initial
> code.
> 9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities that
> support the creation of the project. They don't take other engagements.
> 10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
>
> Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we develop
> around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
> - I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse community
> if we are identified as a sub-project.
> - From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
> - Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
> described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
> - It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a sub-project
> leader.
>
> In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
> summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
> I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
> If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
>
> Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
> Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You can
> add
> it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
> My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also introduce a
> tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and
> Tuscany
> 1.1.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Stéphane Drapeau
> Obeo
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephane,
>>
>> Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
>> component
>> to a sub project change its future development and focus?
>>
>> Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that I
>> recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
>> available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would be
>> great
>> if you could provide more content about what is available and what
>> version
>> of Tuscany it works with.
>>
>> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
>>
>>
>> Haleh
>>
>> On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I lead
>> > > the
>> > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project [1].
>> > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the STP SCA
>> *
>> > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
>> > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested
>> > > party
>> > of
>> > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
>> > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on this
>> > issue.
>> > > So the discussion is open ;)
>> > >
>> > > Thanks very much.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards
>> > >
>> > > Stéphane Drapeau
>> > > Obeo
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
>> > >
>> >
>> > Hi Stephane,
>> >
>> > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community to
>> > get
>> > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
>> >
>> > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an outline?
>> >
>> > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
>> > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
>> >
>> > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
>> > --
>> > Jean-Sebastien
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
proposed project.
The outline is:
1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level project
STP.
2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing STP/SCA
component.
3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link this
sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy Editor)
4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA Composite
Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
(integration with other STP components)
5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
project STP.
7. A list of proposed initial committers.
8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the initial
code.
9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities that
support the creation of the project. They don't take other engagements.
10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we develop
around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
- I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse community
if we are identified as a sub-project.
- From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
- Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
- It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a sub-project
leader.
In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You can add
it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also introduce a
tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and Tuscany
1.1.
Best regards,
Stéphane Drapeau
Obeo
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Stephane,
>
> Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
> component
> to a sub project change its future development and focus?
>
> Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that I
> recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
> available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would be
> great
> if you could provide more content about what is available and what version
> of Tuscany it works with.
>
> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
>
>
> Haleh
>
> On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I lead the
> > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project [1].
> > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the STP SCA
> *
> > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested party
> > of
> > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on this
> > issue.
> > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > >
> > > Thanks very much.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > Obeo
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > >
> >
> > Hi Stephane,
> >
> > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community to get
> > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> >
> > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an outline?
> >
> > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> >
> > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > --
> > Jean-Sebastien
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> >
> >
>
Re: STP SCA Component -> STP SCA Tools sub project
Posted by Stéphane Drapeau <st...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jean-Sebastien, Haleh, all,
The proposal is a 3 pages document describing the scope/intent of the
proposed project.
The outline is:
1. Introduction: the proposition of the transformation of the STP/SCA
component into a sub-project named SCA Tools under the top level project
STP.
2. Background: presentation of STP + presentation of the existing STP/SCA
component.
3. Description: the goals of the new sub-project are to develop a set of
tools for SCA developers and SCA users. Another goal is also to link this
sub-project with other components of STP (Service Creation, Policy Editor)
4. Proposed components: SCA Domain Model (SCA meta model), SCA Composite
Designer, SCA Composite Editors (tree, xml and form), SCA Integration
(integration with other STP components)
5. Relationship with Other Eclipse Projects: STP, EMF, GMF, M2M, ...
6. Organization: this sub-project will take place under the top level
project STP.
7. A list of proposed initial committers.
8. Code Contribution: the Eclipse STP/SCA component will be the initial
code.
9. Interested parties: this section lists companies and communities that
support the creation of the project. They don't take other engagements.
10. Tentative Plan for 2008 and 2009.
Our goal is to identify formally the scope of the tools that we develop
around SCA. The new status will provide some advantages.
- I think that the SCA tools will be more visible in the Eclipse community
if we are identified as a sub-project.
- From the users point of view, it will not change anything.
- Concerning us, we should be more formal: clear roadmap, new features
described/discussed first in bugzilla, ...
- It will also present some advantages for Obeo by becoming a sub-project
leader.
In the near future all STP components will become STP sub-projects. To
summarize, all of this is purely administrative.
I will send you the proposal document ASAP.
If you have any questions, don't hesitate.
Haleh, yesterday I sent you more information about the SCA Composite
Designer on the thread named "[Website] - Tooling for Java SCA". You can add
it on the web page. Tell me if you need more/different information.
My post describes what version of Tuscany can be used. I also introduce a
tutorial that I made. This tutorial is based on the SCA designer and Tuscany
1.1.
Best regards,
Stéphane Drapeau
Obeo
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 8:05 AM, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Stephane,
>
> Welcome to Tuscany. How will changing the status of STP SCA from a
> component
> to a sub project change its future development and focus?
>
> Tuscany community had asked about tools for SCA and because of that I
> recently added a website page [1] to collect more information about
> available open source tools. I added a link to STP there. It would be
> great
> if you could provide more content about what is available and what version
> of Tuscany it works with.
>
> [1]: http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/java-sca-tools.html
>
>
> Haleh
>
> On 4/1/08, Jean-Sebastien Delfino <js...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Stéphane Drapeau wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm Stéphane Drapeau from Obeo. I work on tools for SCA and I lead the
> > > Eclipse SCA component which is a component of the STP project [1].
> > > Currently, I'm writing a proposal to change the status of the STP SCA
> *
> > > component* to STP/SCA Tools *sub project*.
> > > I would like know if I can refer Tuscany community as interested party
> > of
> > > our proposal. It's purely administrative.
> > > Jean Sebastien told me that the Tuscany community must vote on this
> > issue.
> > > So the discussion is open ;)
> > >
> > > Thanks very much.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Stéphane Drapeau
> > > Obeo
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]: http://www.eclipse.org/stp/sca/index.php
> > >
> >
> > Hi Stephane,
> >
> > Thanks for posting here, it'll enable the whole Tuscany community to get
> > involved in the discussion around your SCA editor proposal.
> >
> > Can you tell us a bit more about the proposal? do you have an outline?
> >
> > Also can you help us understand what it means to be listed under
> > "interested parties" in such a proposal?
> >
> > Any questions or thoughts from others on the list?
> > --
> > Jean-Sebastien
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: tuscany-dev-unsubscribe@ws.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: tuscany-dev-help@ws.apache.org
> >
> >
>