Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>]

Hey all,

I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my office
next week.

Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and help
unblocking you.

Greez from Jakarta

Markus

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:

> Hi Markus,
>
> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case you
> missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this fix
> after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can get
> the surveys stored on the back-end.
>
> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin America,
> it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects - our
> interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the surveys
> work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile self-service
> app can't add this functionality.
>
> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>
> Ed
>
> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>
>> Markus,
>>
>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all of the
>> community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and a
>> paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as a
>> reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>
>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made to the
>> 100M Project in 2015
>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and we've yet to
>> provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>
>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak (and
>> ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once and for
>> all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together will be
>> the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable work
>> you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the means
>> to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software from
>> others.
>>
>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the android
>> and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we must get
>> removed.
>>
>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>
>> *Nathan's Request*
>> ------------------------
>>
>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI scorecards
>> along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>
>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the DB so he
>> can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of
>> each client over time.
>>
>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>> Something like
>> Client Lincoln X
>> Date        PPI 1
>> Date       PPI 2
>> Date       PPI 3
>>
>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>
>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a little
>> hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able to
>> create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>
>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>
>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the lookup
>> table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no confirmation
>> that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view the recorded
>> responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh not having
>> used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is functionality that has
>> not been implemented yet.
>>
>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>
>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has changed
>> since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are update to
>> reflect this change.
>>
>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends the data.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>> Any update?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey creation.
>>>>> We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the tracking of
>>>>> key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the responses for
>>>>> now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get through it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also I would
>>>>> love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average and see
>>>>> the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over time.
>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>> Something like
>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI scorecard
>>>>>
>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool on your
>>>>> instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs. This
>>>>> should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>
>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out at
>>>>> https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to any client,
>>>>> clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the survey from
>>>>> the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that needs to be
>>>>> done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the scorecards and
>>>>> scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>
>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something you
>>>>> could take up?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group functionality:
>>>>> https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+and+PPI
>>>>> and
>>>>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-add-a-question-group/
>>>>>
>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given country and
>>>>> then create a survey instance of this (ideally this could be done at
>>>>> different entities - client, loan)
>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above I wanted
>>>>> to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the client level I now
>>>>> need a button within the client record to record survey and then
>>>>> display the scorecard
>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded, I need
>>>>> to be able to view that recorded survey from the client record and
>>>>> see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all recorded in
>>>>> background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of the
>>>>> surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables. Is the
>>>>> surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like PPI, IRIS,
>>>>> MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "surveys".
>>>>>
>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys framework.
>>>>> If the latter, should the surveys framework be used to define a
>>>>> question bank (of multiple question types - free-form, text, multi-select,
>>>>> etc.) and then from this question bank, create a survey (i.e. give it
>>>>> a title, select questions) and then save as a survey). If this is all
>>>>> possible, I want to work with volunteers to finalize the wireframes Nayan
>>>>> worked on and implement this survey wizard to create surveys powered
>>>>> by the Surveys Framework.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>
>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work with a
>>>>> volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite it any
>>>>> further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>
>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>
>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys
>>>>>  framework.
>>>>>
>>>>> ============
>>>>>
>>>>> Reply from Markus: The SPM framework was built to create any type of
>>>>> survey/questionnaire. PPI is just a sample use of it. I was testing
>>>>> it with MPAT, adn even homebrewn surveys.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> Any update on this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Nathan,
>>>>>
>>>>> We're still driving on this. Apart from Samrat working on the
>>>>> requirements, I now have a volunteer developer, Maulik (cc'd) who's
>>>>> interested in taking up work on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Markus/Nayan - could you please reply to my outstanding questions on
>>>>> the previous email? I'll also forward it to the fineract dev list so all
>>>>> can participate in the discussion. I'll let you respond there.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
Markus Geiss
Chief Technology Officer, Kuelap, Inc. <http://kuelap.io/>
+49 1522 9505306

Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>]

Markus,

Were you able to look into this. Our Mifos interns are now getting to the
point in their projects where they're ready to integrate with the surveys
framework.

Thanks,

Ed

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 6:04 AM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:

> Glad that you're back online. Please look at the email from May 12 at the
> top of this thread. I attempted to summarize the conversations and issues
> stating back to February.
>
> Ed
>
> On Jun 22, 2017 03:42, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:
>
>> OK ... I'm back online (;
>>
>> Can somebody please explain me what the issues are, so I can start fixing
>> them?
>>
>> Thanks & Cheers
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:56 PM Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> ha ha ... it is even worth ... looks like the income landline is broken
>>> somewhere at the last few inches ...
>>>
>>> a technician will come tomorrow and do some tests ... maybe then it is
>>> solved ...
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Markus
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:54 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> That is really unfortunate - it's like in Nepal where the fiber-optic
>>>> cable got stolen as soon as it got installed!
>>>>
>>>> Please let us know when you get an alternate connection and are ready
>>>> to look at the code and identify a fix. The interns are standing by and i
>>>> have another volunteer who is ready to work on the front-end too.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey,
>>>>>
>>>>> sadly my internet is not working ... looks like a line is broken ...
>>>>> and I can't tell how long this will take.
>>>>>
>>>>> As long as I don't have a decent internet connection it is nearly
>>>>> impossible to do some work.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll keep you all posted on the progress.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry & Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Markus
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Welcome back from from Indonesia! Have you had a chance to look into
>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will dedicate early next week to unblock you ... right now I'm
>>>>>>> trying to keep up with work leftover from the past two week when I was on a
>>>>>>> business travel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:18 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to
>>>>>>>> hearing how the trip went.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Safe travels!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my
>>>>>>>>> office next week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and
>>>>>>>>> help unblocking you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greez from Jakarta
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Markus,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case
>>>>>>>>>> you missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this
>>>>>>>>>> fix after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can
>>>>>>>>>> get the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>>>>>>>>>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>>>>>>>>>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>>>>>>>>>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>>>>>>>>>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but
>>>>>>>>>>> all of the community resources who have been looking into this are blocked
>>>>>>>>>>> and a paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly
>>>>>>>>>>> served as a reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past
>>>>>>>>>>> year has patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a
>>>>>>>>>>> year now.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made
>>>>>>>>>>> to the 100M Project in 2015
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and
>>>>>>>>>>> we've yet to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak
>>>>>>>>>>> (and ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once
>>>>>>>>>>> and for all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together
>>>>>>>>>>> will be the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable
>>>>>>>>>>> work you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the
>>>>>>>>>>> means to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software
>>>>>>>>>>> from others.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the
>>>>>>>>>>> android and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we
>>>>>>>>>>> must get removed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>>>>>>>>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI
>>>>>>>>>>> scorecards along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the
>>>>>>>>>>> DB so he can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients
>>>>>>>>>>> and of each client over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a
>>>>>>>>>>> little hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able
>>>>>>>>>>> to create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>>>>>>>>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to
>>>>>>>>>>> the lookup table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no
>>>>>>>>>>> confirmation that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view
>>>>>>>>>>> the recorded responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh
>>>>>>>>>>> not having used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is
>>>>>>>>>>> functionality that has not been implemented yet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos
>>>>>>>>>>> has changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>>>>>>>>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends
>>>>>>>>>>> the data.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any update?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sett.raunak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation. We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tracking of key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses for now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also I would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sett.raunak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you could take up?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality: https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MIFOS/Question+Groups+and+PPI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-add
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -a-question-group/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country and then create a survey instance of this (ideally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this could be done at different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> client level I now need a button within the client record to record
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey and then display the scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> recorded, I need to be able to view that recorded survey from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the client record and see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all recorded in background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like PPI, IRIS, MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surveys".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey) should I do this via a Data Table or should I use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your surveys framework. If the latter, should the surveys framework
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used to define a question bank (of multiple question types - free-form,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> text, multi-select, etc.) and then from this question bank, create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey (i.e. give it a title, select questions) and then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> save as a survey). If this is all possible, I want to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with volunteers to finalize the wireframes Nayan worked on and implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this survey wizard to create surveys powered by the Surveys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Framework.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it any further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>
>


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Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>]

Glad that you're back online. Please look at the email from May 12 at the
top of this thread. I attempted to summarize the conversations and issues
stating back to February.

Ed

On Jun 22, 2017 03:42, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:

> OK ... I'm back online (;
>
> Can somebody please explain me what the issues are, so I can start fixing
> them?
>
> Thanks & Cheers
>
> Markus
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:56 PM Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
> wrote:
>
>> ha ha ... it is even worth ... looks like the income landline is broken
>> somewhere at the last few inches ...
>>
>> a technician will come tomorrow and do some tests ... maybe then it is
>> solved ...
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:54 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>
>>> That is really unfortunate - it's like in Nepal where the fiber-optic
>>> cable got stolen as soon as it got installed!
>>>
>>> Please let us know when you get an alternate connection and are ready to
>>> look at the code and identify a fix. The interns are standing by and i have
>>> another volunteer who is ready to work on the front-end too.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey,
>>>>
>>>> sadly my internet is not working ... looks like a line is broken ...
>>>> and I can't tell how long this will take.
>>>>
>>>> As long as I don't have a decent internet connection it is nearly
>>>> impossible to do some work.
>>>>
>>>> I'll keep you all posted on the progress.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry & Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Markus
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>
>>>>> Welcome back from from Indonesia! Have you had a chance to look into
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will dedicate early next week to unblock you ... right now I'm
>>>>>> trying to keep up with work leftover from the past two week when I was on a
>>>>>> business travel.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:18 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to
>>>>>>> hearing how the trip went.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Safe travels!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my
>>>>>>>> office next week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and
>>>>>>>> help unblocking you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greez from Jakarta
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Markus,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case
>>>>>>>>> you missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this
>>>>>>>>> fix after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can
>>>>>>>>> get the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>>>>>>>>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>>>>>>>>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>>>>>>>>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>>>>>>>>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all
>>>>>>>>>> of the community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and
>>>>>>>>>> a paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as
>>>>>>>>>> a reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>>>>>>>>>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made
>>>>>>>>>> to the 100M Project in 2015
>>>>>>>>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and
>>>>>>>>>> we've yet to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak
>>>>>>>>>> (and ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once
>>>>>>>>>> and for all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together
>>>>>>>>>> will be the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable
>>>>>>>>>> work you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the
>>>>>>>>>> means to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software
>>>>>>>>>> from others.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the
>>>>>>>>>> android and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we
>>>>>>>>>> must get removed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>>>>>>>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI
>>>>>>>>>> scorecards along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the
>>>>>>>>>> DB so he can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients
>>>>>>>>>> and of each client over time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a
>>>>>>>>>> little hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able
>>>>>>>>>> to create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>>>>>>>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the
>>>>>>>>>> lookup table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no
>>>>>>>>>> confirmation that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view
>>>>>>>>>> the recorded responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh
>>>>>>>>>> not having used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is
>>>>>>>>>> functionality that has not been implemented yet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has
>>>>>>>>>> changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>>>>>>>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends
>>>>>>>>>> the data.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>> Any update?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sett.raunak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey
>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation. We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tracking of key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> responses for now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sett.raunak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>>>>>>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on your instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you could take up?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group
>>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality: https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+and+PPI
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> add-a-question-group/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given
>>>>>>>>>>>>> country and then create a survey instance of this (ideally
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this could be done at different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> client level I now need a button within the client record to record
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey and then display the scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to be able to view that recorded survey from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> client record and see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> recorded in background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PPI, IRIS, MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "
>>>>>>>>>>>>> surveys".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey) should I do this via a Data Table or should I use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your surveys framework. If the latter, should the surveys framework
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be used to define a question bank (of multiple question types - free-form,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> text, multi-select, etc.) and then from this question bank, create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey (i.e. give it a title, select questions) and then save
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a survey). If this is all possible, I want to work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to finalize the wireframes Nayan worked on and implement this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> survey wizard to create surveys powered by the Surveys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Framework.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it any further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ...

Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>]

OK ... I'm back online (;

Can somebody please explain me what the issues are, so I can start fixing
them?

Thanks & Cheers

Markus

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:56 PM Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:

> ha ha ... it is even worth ... looks like the income landline is broken
> somewhere at the last few inches ...
>
> a technician will come tomorrow and do some tests ... maybe then it is
> solved ...
>
> Cheers
>
> Markus
>
> On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:54 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>
>> That is really unfortunate - it's like in Nepal where the fiber-optic
>> cable got stolen as soon as it got installed!
>>
>> Please let us know when you get an alternate connection and are ready to
>> look at the code and identify a fix. The interns are standing by and i have
>> another volunteer who is ready to work on the front-end too.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> sadly my internet is not working ... looks like a line is broken ... and
>>> I can't tell how long this will take.
>>>
>>> As long as I don't have a decent internet connection it is nearly
>>> impossible to do some work.
>>>
>>> I'll keep you all posted on the progress.
>>>
>>> Sorry & Cheers
>>>
>>> Markus
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Markus,
>>>>
>>>> Welcome back from from Indonesia! Have you had a chance to look into
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will dedicate early next week to unblock you ... right now I'm
>>>>> trying to keep up with work leftover from the past two week when I was on a
>>>>> business travel.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Markus
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:18 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to
>>>>>> hearing how the trip went.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Safe travels!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my
>>>>>>> office next week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and
>>>>>>> help unblocking you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greez from Jakarta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Markus,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case
>>>>>>>> you missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this
>>>>>>>> fix after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can
>>>>>>>> get the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>>>>>>>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>>>>>>>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>>>>>>>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>>>>>>>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all
>>>>>>>>> of the community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and
>>>>>>>>> a paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as
>>>>>>>>> a reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>>>>>>>>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made
>>>>>>>>> to the 100M Project in 2015
>>>>>>>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and we've
>>>>>>>>> yet to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak (and
>>>>>>>>> ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once and for
>>>>>>>>> all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together will be
>>>>>>>>> the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable work
>>>>>>>>> you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the means
>>>>>>>>> to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software from
>>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the
>>>>>>>>> android and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we
>>>>>>>>> must get removed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>>>>>>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI
>>>>>>>>> scorecards along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the DB
>>>>>>>>> so he can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and
>>>>>>>>> of each client over time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a
>>>>>>>>> little hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able
>>>>>>>>> to create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>>>>>>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the
>>>>>>>>> lookup table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no
>>>>>>>>> confirmation that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view
>>>>>>>>> the recorded responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh
>>>>>>>>> not having used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is
>>>>>>>>> functionality that has not been implemented yet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has
>>>>>>>>> changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>>>>>>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends the
>>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>> Any update?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <
>>>>>>>>>>> sett.raunak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey
>>>>>>>>>>>> creation. We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the
>>>>>>>>>>>> tracking of key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the
>>>>>>>>>>>> responses for now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get
>>>>>>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average
>>>>>>>>>>>> and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over
>>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <
>>>>>>>>>>>> sett.raunak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>>>>>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>>>>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI
>>>>>>>>>>>> scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool on
>>>>>>>>>>>> your instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>>>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>>>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out at
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to any
>>>>>>>>>>>> client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something
>>>>>>>>>>>> you could take up?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group
>>>>>>>>>>>> functionality:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+and+PPI
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-add-a-question-group/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given country
>>>>>>>>>>>> and then create a survey instance of this (ideally this could
>>>>>>>>>>>> be done at different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above I
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the client
>>>>>>>>>>>> level I now need a button within the client record to record
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey and then display the scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I need to be able to view that recorded survey from the client
>>>>>>>>>>>> record and see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all
>>>>>>>>>>>> recorded in background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Is the surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like
>>>>>>>>>>>> PPI, IRIS, MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "
>>>>>>>>>>>> surveys".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey) should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your
>>>>>>>>>>>> surveys framework. If the latter, should the surveys framework
>>>>>>>>>>>> be used to define a question bank (of multiple question types - free-form,
>>>>>>>>>>>> text, multi-select, etc.) and then from this question bank, create a
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey (i.e. give it a title, select questions) and then save
>>>>>>>>>>>> as a survey). If this is all possible, I want to work with
>>>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to finalize the wireframes Nayan worked on and implement this
>>>>>>>>>>>> survey wizard to create surveys powered by the Surveys
>>>>>>>>>>>>  Framework.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>>>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work
>>>>>>>>>>>> with a volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite
>>>>>>>>>>>> it any further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
Markus Geiss
Chief Technology Officer, Kuelap, Inc. <http://kuelap.io/>
+49 1522 9505306

Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>]

ha ha ... it is even worth ... looks like the income landline is broken
somewhere at the last few inches ...

a technician will come tomorrow and do some tests ... maybe then it is
solved ...

Cheers

Markus

On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 6:54 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:

> That is really unfortunate - it's like in Nepal where the fiber-optic
> cable got stolen as soon as it got installed!
>
> Please let us know when you get an alternate connection and are ready to
> look at the code and identify a fix. The interns are standing by and i have
> another volunteer who is ready to work on the front-end too.
>
> Ed
>
> On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> sadly my internet is not working ... looks like a line is broken ... and
>> I can't tell how long this will take.
>>
>> As long as I don't have a decent internet connection it is nearly
>> impossible to do some work.
>>
>> I'll keep you all posted on the progress.
>>
>> Sorry & Cheers
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Markus,
>>>
>>> Welcome back from from Indonesia! Have you had a chance to look into
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> I will dedicate early next week to unblock you ... right now I'm trying
>>>> to keep up with work leftover from the past two week when I was on a
>>>> business travel.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Markus
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:18 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to
>>>>> hearing how the trip went.
>>>>>
>>>>> Safe travels!
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my
>>>>>> office next week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and help
>>>>>> unblocking you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greez from Jakarta
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Markus
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Markus,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case
>>>>>>> you missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this
>>>>>>> fix after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can
>>>>>>> get the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>>>>>>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>>>>>>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>>>>>>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>>>>>>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all
>>>>>>>> of the community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and
>>>>>>>> a paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as
>>>>>>>> a reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>>>>>>>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made to
>>>>>>>> the 100M Project in 2015
>>>>>>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and we've
>>>>>>>> yet to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak (and
>>>>>>>> ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once and for
>>>>>>>> all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together will be
>>>>>>>> the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable work
>>>>>>>> you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the means
>>>>>>>> to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software from
>>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the
>>>>>>>> android and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we
>>>>>>>> must get removed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>>>>>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI
>>>>>>>> scorecards along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the DB
>>>>>>>> so he can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and
>>>>>>>> of each client over time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a
>>>>>>>> little hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able
>>>>>>>> to create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>>>>>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the
>>>>>>>> lookup table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no
>>>>>>>> confirmation that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view
>>>>>>>> the recorded responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh
>>>>>>>> not having used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is
>>>>>>>> functionality that has not been implemented yet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has
>>>>>>>> changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>>>>>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends the
>>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>> Any update?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey
>>>>>>>>>>> creation. We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the
>>>>>>>>>>> tracking of key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the
>>>>>>>>>>> responses for now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get
>>>>>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also I
>>>>>>>>>>> would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average
>>>>>>>>>>> and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over
>>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <
>>>>>>>>>>> sett.raunak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>>>>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>>>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI
>>>>>>>>>>> scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool on
>>>>>>>>>>> your instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs.
>>>>>>>>>>> This should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out at
>>>>>>>>>>> https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to any
>>>>>>>>>>> client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something
>>>>>>>>>>> you could take up?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group
>>>>>>>>>>> functionality:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+and+PPI
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-add-a-question-group/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given country
>>>>>>>>>>> and then create a survey instance of this (ideally this could
>>>>>>>>>>> be done at different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above I
>>>>>>>>>>> wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the client
>>>>>>>>>>> level I now need a button within the client record to record
>>>>>>>>>>> survey and then display the scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded, I
>>>>>>>>>>> need to be able to view that recorded survey from the client
>>>>>>>>>>> record and see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all
>>>>>>>>>>> recorded in background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of the
>>>>>>>>>>> surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables. Is the
>>>>>>>>>>> surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like PPI,
>>>>>>>>>>> IRIS, MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "
>>>>>>>>>>> surveys".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan
>>>>>>>>>>> survey) should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your
>>>>>>>>>>> surveys framework. If the latter, should the surveys framework
>>>>>>>>>>> be used to define a question bank (of multiple question types - free-form,
>>>>>>>>>>> text, multi-select, etc.) and then from this question bank, create a
>>>>>>>>>>> survey (i.e. give it a title, select questions) and then save
>>>>>>>>>>> as a survey). If this is all possible, I want to work with
>>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to finalize the wireframes Nayan worked on and implement this
>>>>>>>>>>> survey wizard to create surveys powered by the Surveys
>>>>>>>>>>>  Framework.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work
>>>>>>>>>>> with a volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite
>>>>>>>>>>> it any further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan
>>>>>>>>>>> survey) should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
Markus Geiss
Chief Technology Officer, Kuelap, Inc. <http://kuelap.io/>
+49 1522 9505306

Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>]

That is really unfortunate - it's like in Nepal where the fiber-optic cable
got stolen as soon as it got installed!

Please let us know when you get an alternate connection and are ready to
look at the code and identify a fix. The interns are standing by and i have
another volunteer who is ready to work on the front-end too.

Ed

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 7:06 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
wrote:

> Hey,
>
> sadly my internet is not working ... looks like a line is broken ... and I
> can't tell how long this will take.
>
> As long as I don't have a decent internet connection it is nearly
> impossible to do some work.
>
> I'll keep you all posted on the progress.
>
> Sorry & Cheers
>
> Markus
>
> On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>
>> Markus,
>>
>> Welcome back from from Indonesia! Have you had a chance to look into this?
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I will dedicate early next week to unblock you ... right now I'm trying
>>> to keep up with work leftover from the past two week when I was on a
>>> business travel.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Markus
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:18 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to hearing
>>>> how the trip went.
>>>>
>>>> Safe travels!
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my
>>>>> office next week.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and help
>>>>> unblocking you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greez from Jakarta
>>>>>
>>>>> Markus
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Markus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case you
>>>>>> missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this fix
>>>>>> after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can get
>>>>>> the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>>>>>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>>>>>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>>>>>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>>>>>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all of
>>>>>>> the community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and a
>>>>>>> paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as a
>>>>>>> reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>>>>>>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made to
>>>>>>> the 100M Project in 2015
>>>>>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and we've
>>>>>>> yet to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak (and
>>>>>>> ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once and for
>>>>>>> all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together will be
>>>>>>> the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable work
>>>>>>> you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the means
>>>>>>> to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software from
>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the
>>>>>>> android and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we
>>>>>>> must get removed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>>>>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI scorecards
>>>>>>> along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the DB
>>>>>>> so he can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and
>>>>>>> of each client over time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a
>>>>>>> little hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able
>>>>>>> to create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>>>>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the
>>>>>>> lookup table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no
>>>>>>> confirmation that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view
>>>>>>> the recorded responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh
>>>>>>> not having used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is
>>>>>>> functionality that has not been implemented yet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has
>>>>>>> changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>>>>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends the
>>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>> Any update?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey
>>>>>>>>>> creation. We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the
>>>>>>>>>> tracking of key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the
>>>>>>>>>> responses for now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get
>>>>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also I
>>>>>>>>>> would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average
>>>>>>>>>> and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over
>>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <
>>>>>>>>>> sett.raunak@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>>>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI
>>>>>>>>>> scorecard
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool on
>>>>>>>>>> your instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs.
>>>>>>>>>> This should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out at
>>>>>>>>>> https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to any
>>>>>>>>>> client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something you
>>>>>>>>>> could take up?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group
>>>>>>>>>> functionality: https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/
>>>>>>>>>> display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+and+PPI
>>>>>>>>>> and http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-
>>>>>>>>>> add-a-question-group/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given country
>>>>>>>>>> and then create a survey instance of this (ideally this could be
>>>>>>>>>> done at different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above I
>>>>>>>>>> wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the client
>>>>>>>>>> level I now need a button within the client record to record
>>>>>>>>>> survey and then display the scorecard
>>>>>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded, I
>>>>>>>>>> need to be able to view that recorded survey from the client
>>>>>>>>>> record and see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all
>>>>>>>>>> recorded in background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of the
>>>>>>>>>> surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables. Is the
>>>>>>>>>> surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like PPI,
>>>>>>>>>> IRIS, MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "
>>>>>>>>>> surveys".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan
>>>>>>>>>> survey) should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your
>>>>>>>>>> surveys framework. If the latter, should the surveys framework
>>>>>>>>>> be used to define a question bank (of multiple question types - free-form,
>>>>>>>>>> text, multi-select, etc.) and then from this question bank, create a
>>>>>>>>>> survey (i.e. give it a title, select questions) and then save as
>>>>>>>>>> a survey). If this is all possible, I want to work with
>>>>>>>>>> volunteers to finalize the wireframes Nayan worked on and implement this
>>>>>>>>>> survey wizard to create surveys powered by the Surveys Framework.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work with
>>>>>>>>>> a volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite it
>>>>>>>>>> any further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan
>>>>>>>>>> survey) should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your
>>>>>>>>>> surveys framework.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
> Markus Geiss
> Chief Technology Officer, Kuelap, Inc. <http://kuelap.io/>
> +49 1522 9505306 <+49%201522%209505306>
>



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Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>]

Hey,

sadly my internet is not working ... looks like a line is broken ... and I
can't tell how long this will take.

As long as I don't have a decent internet connection it is nearly
impossible to do some work.

I'll keep you all posted on the progress.

Sorry & Cheers

Markus

On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 5:52 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:

> Markus,
>
> Welcome back from from Indonesia! Have you had a chance to look into this?
>
> Ed
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I will dedicate early next week to unblock you ... right now I'm trying
>> to keep up with work leftover from the past two week when I was on a
>> business travel.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:18 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to hearing
>>> how the trip went.
>>>
>>> Safe travels!
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>>
>>>> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my
>>>> office next week.
>>>>
>>>> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and help
>>>> unblocking you.
>>>>
>>>> Greez from Jakarta
>>>>
>>>> Markus
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Markus,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case you
>>>>> missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this fix
>>>>> after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can get
>>>>> the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>>>>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>>>>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>>>>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>>>>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all of
>>>>>> the community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and a
>>>>>> paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as a
>>>>>> reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>>>>>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made to
>>>>>> the 100M Project in 2015
>>>>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and we've
>>>>>> yet to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak (and
>>>>>> ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once and for
>>>>>> all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together will be
>>>>>> the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable work
>>>>>> you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the means
>>>>>> to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software from
>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the
>>>>>> android and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we
>>>>>> must get removed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>>>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI scorecards
>>>>>> along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the DB so
>>>>>> he can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of
>>>>>> each client over time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a
>>>>>> little hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able
>>>>>> to create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>>>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the
>>>>>> lookup table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no
>>>>>> confirmation that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view
>>>>>> the recorded responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh
>>>>>> not having used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is
>>>>>> functionality that has not been implemented yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has
>>>>>> changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>>>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends the
>>>>>> data.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> Any update?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey
>>>>>>>>> creation. We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the
>>>>>>>>> tracking of key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the
>>>>>>>>> responses for now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get
>>>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also I
>>>>>>>>> would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average
>>>>>>>>> and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over
>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI
>>>>>>>>> scorecard
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool on
>>>>>>>>> your instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs.
>>>>>>>>> This should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out at
>>>>>>>>> https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to any
>>>>>>>>> client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something you
>>>>>>>>> could take up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group functionality:
>>>>>>>>> https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+and+PPI
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-add-a-question-group/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given country
>>>>>>>>> and then create a survey instance of this (ideally this could be
>>>>>>>>> done at different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above I
>>>>>>>>> wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the client
>>>>>>>>> level I now need a button within the client record to record
>>>>>>>>> survey and then display the scorecard
>>>>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded, I
>>>>>>>>> need to be able to view that recorded survey from the client
>>>>>>>>> record and see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all
>>>>>>>>> recorded in background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of the
>>>>>>>>> surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables. Is the
>>>>>>>>> surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like PPI, IRIS,
>>>>>>>>> MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "surveys".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys framework.
>>>>>>>>> If the latter, should the surveys framework be used to define a
>>>>>>>>> question bank (of multiple question types - free-form, text, multi-select,
>>>>>>>>> etc.) and then from this question bank, create a survey (i.e.
>>>>>>>>> give it a title, select questions) and then save as a survey). If
>>>>>>>>> this is all possible, I want to work with volunteers to finalize the
>>>>>>>>> wireframes Nayan worked on and implement this survey wizard to
>>>>>>>>> create surveys powered by the Surveys Framework.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work with
>>>>>>>>> a volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite it
>>>>>>>>> any further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys
>>>>>>>>>  framework.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
Markus Geiss
Chief Technology Officer, Kuelap, Inc. <http://kuelap.io/>
+49 1522 9505306

Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>]

Markus,

Welcome back from from Indonesia! Have you had a chance to look into this?

Ed

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:30 AM, Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I will dedicate early next week to unblock you ... right now I'm trying to
> keep up with work leftover from the past two week when I was on a business
> travel.
>
> Cheers
>
> Markus
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:18 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to hearing
>> how the trip went.
>>
>> Safe travels!
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my office
>>> next week.
>>>
>>> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and help
>>> unblocking you.
>>>
>>> Greez from Jakarta
>>>
>>> Markus
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Markus,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case you
>>>> missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this fix
>>>> after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can get
>>>> the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>>>
>>>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>>>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>>>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>>>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>>>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Markus,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all of
>>>>> the community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and a
>>>>> paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as a
>>>>> reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>>>>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>>>>
>>>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made to
>>>>> the 100M Project in 2015
>>>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and we've yet
>>>>> to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak (and
>>>>> ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once and for
>>>>> all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together will be
>>>>> the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable work
>>>>> you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the means
>>>>> to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software from
>>>>> others.
>>>>>
>>>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the
>>>>> android and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we
>>>>> must get removed.
>>>>>
>>>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>>>> ------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI scorecards
>>>>> along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the DB so
>>>>> he can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of
>>>>> each client over time.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>> Something like
>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>
>>>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a little
>>>>> hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able to
>>>>> create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>>>
>>>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>>>
>>>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the
>>>>> lookup table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no
>>>>> confirmation that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view
>>>>> the recorded responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh
>>>>> not having used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is
>>>>> functionality that has not been implemented yet.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>>>
>>>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has
>>>>> changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends the
>>>>> data.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> Any update?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey
>>>>>>>> creation. We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the
>>>>>>>> tracking of key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the
>>>>>>>> responses for now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get
>>>>>>>> through it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also I
>>>>>>>> would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average
>>>>>>>> and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI
>>>>>>>> scorecard
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool on
>>>>>>>> your instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs.
>>>>>>>> This should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out at
>>>>>>>> https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to any
>>>>>>>> client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something you
>>>>>>>> could take up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group functionality:
>>>>>>>> https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+
>>>>>>>> and+PPI
>>>>>>>> and http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-
>>>>>>>> add-a-question-group/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given country and
>>>>>>>> then create a survey instance of this (ideally this could be done
>>>>>>>> at different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above I
>>>>>>>> wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the client
>>>>>>>> level I now need a button within the client record to record survey and
>>>>>>>> then display the scorecard
>>>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded, I
>>>>>>>> need to be able to view that recorded survey from the client
>>>>>>>> record and see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all
>>>>>>>> recorded in background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of the
>>>>>>>> surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables. Is the
>>>>>>>> surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like PPI, IRIS,
>>>>>>>> MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "surveys".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys framework.
>>>>>>>> If the latter, should the surveys framework be used to define a
>>>>>>>> question bank (of multiple question types - free-form, text, multi-select,
>>>>>>>> etc.) and then from this question bank, create a survey (i.e. give
>>>>>>>> it a title, select questions) and then save as a survey). If this
>>>>>>>> is all possible, I want to work with volunteers to finalize the wireframes
>>>>>>>> Nayan worked on and implement this survey wizard to create surveys powered
>>>>>>>> by the Surveys Framework.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work with a
>>>>>>>> volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite it any
>>>>>>>> further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys
>>>>>>>>  framework.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reply from Markus: The SPM framework was built to create any type
>>>>>>>> of survey/questionnaire. PPI is just a sample use of it. I was
>>>>>>>> testing it with MPAT, adn even homebrewn surveys.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>> Any update on this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
> Markus Geiss
> Chief Technology Officer, Kuelap, Inc. <http://kuelap.io/>
> +49 1522 9505306 <+49%201522%209505306>
>



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Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Markus Geiss <ma...@kuelap.io>]

Hey all,

I will dedicate early next week to unblock you ... right now I'm trying to
keep up with work leftover from the past two week when I was on a business
travel.

Cheers

Markus

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:18 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:

> Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to hearing
> how the trip went.
>
> Safe travels!
>
> Ed
>
> On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my office
>> next week.
>>
>> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and help
>> unblocking you.
>>
>> Greez from Jakarta
>>
>> Markus
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Markus,
>>>
>>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case you
>>> missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this fix
>>> after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can get
>>> the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>>
>>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>>
>>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Markus,
>>>>
>>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all of
>>>> the community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and a
>>>> paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as a
>>>> reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>>>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>>>
>>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made to the
>>>> 100M Project in 2015
>>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and we've yet
>>>> to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>>
>>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak (and
>>>> ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once and for
>>>> all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together will be
>>>> the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable work
>>>> you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the means
>>>> to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software from
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the android
>>>> and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we must get
>>>> removed.
>>>>
>>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>>
>>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>>> ------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI scorecards
>>>> along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>>
>>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the DB so
>>>> he can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of
>>>> each client over time.
>>>>
>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>> Something like
>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>
>>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>>
>>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a little
>>>> hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able to
>>>> create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>>
>>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>>
>>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the
>>>> lookup table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no
>>>> confirmation that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view
>>>> the recorded responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh
>>>> not having used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is
>>>> functionality that has not been implemented yet.
>>>>
>>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>>
>>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has
>>>> changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>>
>>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends the data.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ed
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> Any update?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey creation.
>>>>>>> We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the tracking of
>>>>>>> key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the responses for
>>>>>>> now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get through it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also I
>>>>>>> would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average
>>>>>>> and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI scorecard
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool on your
>>>>>>> instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs. This
>>>>>>> should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out at
>>>>>>> https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to any
>>>>>>> client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something you
>>>>>>> could take up?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group functionality:
>>>>>>> https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+and+PPI
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-add-a-question-group/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given country and
>>>>>>> then create a survey instance of this (ideally this could be done
>>>>>>> at different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above I
>>>>>>> wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the client
>>>>>>> level I now need a button within the client record to record survey and
>>>>>>> then display the scorecard
>>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded, I
>>>>>>> need to be able to view that recorded survey from the client record
>>>>>>> and see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all recorded in
>>>>>>> background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of the
>>>>>>> surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables. Is the
>>>>>>> surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like PPI, IRIS,
>>>>>>> MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "surveys".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys framework.
>>>>>>> If the latter, should the surveys framework be used to define a
>>>>>>> question bank (of multiple question types - free-form, text, multi-select,
>>>>>>> etc.) and then from this question bank, create a survey (i.e. give
>>>>>>> it a title, select questions) and then save as a survey). If this
>>>>>>> is all possible, I want to work with volunteers to finalize the wireframes
>>>>>>> Nayan worked on and implement this survey wizard to create surveys powered
>>>>>>> by the Surveys Framework.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work with a
>>>>>>> volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite it any
>>>>>>> further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys
>>>>>>>  framework.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reply from Markus: The SPM framework was built to create any type
>>>>>>> of survey/questionnaire. PPI is just a sample use of it. I was
>>>>>>> testing it with MPAT, adn even homebrewn surveys.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> Any update on this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
Markus Geiss
Chief Technology Officer, Kuelap, Inc. <http://kuelap.io/>
+49 1522 9505306

Re: Resolving blocker with storing PPI responses WAS [Re: PPI Json tables]

[Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org>]

Thanks Markus. I hope dojo is going well and looking forward to hearing how
the trip went.

Safe travels!

Ed

On May 31, 2017 21:09, "Markus Geiss" <ma...@kuelap.io> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I'm still on a business trip in Indonesia, but I'll be back to my office
> next week.
>
> Once I'm settle I'll reach out to you to sort out the issues and help
> unblocking you.
>
> Greez from Jakarta
>
> Markus
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:00 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Markus,
>>
>> I wanted to resurface this email to the top of your inbox in case you
>> missed the last one I sent out. Nathan is still patiently awaiting this fix
>> after nearly a year. Raunak is eager to complete the work once we can get
>> the surveys stored on the back-end.
>>
>> Not only is it inhibiting one of our important customers in Latin
>> America, it's now a blocker for two of our Google Summer of Code projects -
>> our interns working on the mobile field officer app can't complete the
>> surveys work that Nasim started and our intern working on the mobile
>> self-service app can't add this functionality.
>>
>> Thank you for taking the time to help address this.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 2:49 PM, Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Markus,
>>>
>>> I know that you are busy with the pilots at Generation 3, but all of the
>>> community resources who have been looking into this are blocked and a
>>> paying Mifos customer, Mentors International, who has willingly served as a
>>> reference for our Latin American outreach efforts over the past year has
>>> patiently been awaiting the ability to capture PPI for nearly a year now.
>>>
>>> This was also (just a small part) of the PPI commitment we made to the
>>> 100M Project in 2015
>>> <http://mifos.org/blog/100-million-project-commitment/> and we've yet
>>> to provide a workable solution for users to capture PPIs in Mifos.
>>>
>>> Can you please make yourself available for a call with Raunak (and
>>> ideally Maulik and Nazeer) to help him get the through blocker once and for
>>> all. I know the fix is simple but working through the fix together will be
>>> the best usage of effort in the community to complete the valuable work
>>> you've started for the SPM framework in Apache Fineract - SPM and the means
>>> to properly collect these metrics really helps set apart our software from
>>> others.
>>>
>>> We are also going to have survey collection as part of both the android
>>> and web self-service apps so this is a critical blocker that we must get
>>> removed.
>>>
>>> The full thread is down below and I've tried to bring some other
>>> conversations from five other separate email threads.
>>>
>>> *Nathan's Request*
>>> ------------------------
>>>
>>> *As a user, I must have ability to view the completed PPI scorecards
>>> along with its calculated score in the web app.*
>>>
>>> Nathan would also love to know where the score is stored in the DB so he
>>> can do an average and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of
>>> each client over time.
>>>
>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>> Something like
>>> Client Lincoln X
>>> Date        PPI 1
>>> Date       PPI 2
>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>
>>> *Raunak's blocker:*
>>>
>>> I'm a little stuck on retrieving responses. Its proving to be a little
>>> hurdle for me. I tried it maybe I'm doing something wrong. I am able to
>>> create surveys but I am unable to retrieve responses for any of the new
>>> surveys or even the ppi for philliphines
>>>
>>> *Santosh's issue:*
>>>
>>> However upon submission, responses don't seem to be linked to the lookup
>>> table as they don't get scored and tabulated and there is no confirmation
>>> that the responses have been captured nor an ability to view the recorded
>>> responses. I wanted to identify 1) what is caused by Santosh not having
>>> used the uploader 2) which are bugs and 3) which is functionality that has
>>> not been implemented yet.
>>>
>>> *Markus' reply on March 23*
>>>
>>> The main issue with the uploader is because the URL for mifos has
>>> changed since incubating at Apache, and not all surrounding tools are
>>> update to reflect this change.
>>>
>>> Everything else seems to be an issue with how the client sends the data.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> Any update?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 4:38 PM Nathan McClellan <
>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the update!
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017 at 1:24 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, we are working on it. We are done with the new survey creation.
>>>>>> We should be done with creation of lookup tables also for the tracking of
>>>>>> key metrics within the next week. I am stuck on showing the responses for
>>>>>> now. Its a little blocker for me. But I'm sure we'll get through it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 7, 2017, 4:02 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all!
>>>>>> Any progress?
>>>>>> I'm not a developer but anything I can do to help?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes that sounds great.
>>>>>> On #3 please make sure it gives the score in the results. Also I
>>>>>> would love to know where this is stored in the DB so we can do an average
>>>>>> and see the PPI results for a group of clients and of each client over
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>> If the interface could show that too it would be great.
>>>>>> Something like
>>>>>> Client Lincoln X
>>>>>> Date        PPI 1
>>>>>> Date       PPI 2
>>>>>> Date       PPI 3
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:22 PM Raunak Sett <se...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> @Ed Yes I'll be working on this. I am starting with the survey
>>>>>> creation from the community app first after that I'll be working on this
>>>>>> ASAP.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 4:43 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nathan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just to clarify you need the following (1, 2, 3), correct?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) Build out the UI for creating survey from available PPI scorecard
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now we should simply have to run the PPI-uploader tool on your
>>>>>> instance and it will upload the PPIs that have been added as XMLs. This
>>>>>> should work fine right now (apart from having to make some slight
>>>>>> modifications to the PPI-uploader based on the recent changes to resources
>>>>>> with switch to fineract from mifos x.
>>>>>> 2) Capture/record surveys from a given entity in the web app
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is currently available from the UI (you can test it out at
>>>>>> https://demo.openmf.org (mifos/password) by navigating to any
>>>>>> client, clicking more dropdown and then survey. You can then select the
>>>>>> survey from the dropdown and enter responses. We do have some work that
>>>>>> needs to be done to ensure the lookup tables are being linked to the
>>>>>> scorecards and scores are being properly tabulated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3) View recorded surveys from the web app
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This still needs to be built out. @Raunak - is this something you
>>>>>> could take up?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4) Interface to create new surveys from scratch via the UI
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Out of scope for what you need.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Additional Context from Another Email
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These are the legacy docs on the old question group functionality:
>>>>>> https://mifosforge.jira.com/wiki/display/MIFOS/Question+Groups+
>>>>>> and+PPI
>>>>>> and http://www.flossmanuals.net/mifos-user-manual/how-to-
>>>>>> add-a-question-group/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So for the UI, we need:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) UI to select an available PPI scorecard for a given country and
>>>>>> then create a survey instance of this (ideally this could be done at
>>>>>> different entities - client, loan)
>>>>>> 2) UI to record the instance. For example if in step 1 above I
>>>>>> wanted to create a survey instance of the PH PPI at the client level
>>>>>> I now need a button within the client record to record survey and
>>>>>> then display the scorecard
>>>>>> 3) UI to view recorded survey. Now that a survey is recorded, I need
>>>>>> to be able to view that recorded survey from the client record and
>>>>>> see the date/time stamp/version. Is the date/version all recorded in
>>>>>> background able to to be displayed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now I have some other questions regarding the flexibility of the
>>>>>> surveys/SPM framework and how it relates to data tables. Is the
>>>>>> surveys framework only for pre-defined scorecards like PPI, IRIS,
>>>>>> MPAT, UN SDGs, etc? Or is it also to create brand new "surveys".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys framework.
>>>>>> If the latter, should the surveys framework be used to define a
>>>>>> question bank (of multiple question types - free-form, text, multi-select,
>>>>>> etc.) and then from this question bank, create a survey (i.e. give
>>>>>> it a title, select questions) and then save as a survey). If this is
>>>>>> all possible, I want to work with volunteers to finalize the wireframes
>>>>>> Nayan worked on and implement this survey wizard to create surveys powered
>>>>>> by the Surveys Framework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:58 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for the update.
>>>>>> How many programing hours do you think are left?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 4:55 PM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HI Nathan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize for the delays on this. I'm still trying to work with a
>>>>>> volunteer to get this work finished up. Sorry that I can't expedite it any
>>>>>> further. I'm in touch with Maulik along with Raunak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Markus replied separately regarding the query I had before:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My first question would be this. If I want to create a survey from
>>>>>> scratch (i.e. a completely unique 15-question business plan survey)
>>>>>> should I do this via a Data Table or should I use your surveys
>>>>>>  framework.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ============
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reply from Markus: The SPM framework was built to create any type of
>>>>>> survey/questionnaire. PPI is just a sample use of it. I was testing
>>>>>> it with MPAT, adn even homebrewn surveys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:21 PM, Nathan McClellan <
>>>>>> nathan@mentorsinternational.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>> Any update on this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 10:52 AM Ed Cable <ed...@mifos.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...