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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> on 2012/10/01 21:02:10 UTC
Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
I'd ready to take the consultants directory forward. The main
remaining tasks are:
1) Confirm that the current data schema is adequate.
2) Write up submissions requirements for consultants, to get their
listings added
3) Get initial listings added
These three are closely-related and it will probably require an
iterative approach to get these right. So it would be of great help
to me if a few (3-4) consultants on the ooo-dev list would be willing
to work with me to get their listings added now. This may require
some back-and-forth as we adjust the schema or uncover additional
policy nuances. But better to find this out early.
If you are interested, please sent me an XML fragment like this, with
your information in it:
<consultant>
<name>Joe Bloggs, LLC</name>
<country>DE</country>
<country>CH</country>
<country>AT</country>
<practice>Deployment</practice>
<practice>Migration</practice>
<description>Joe Bloggs, LLC provides custom deployment and
migration servives for small and medium business moving to OpenOffice.
We work with the client from initial
evaluation and piloting, through deployment and beyond.
References and whitepaper are available on our website.</description>
<website>http://www/jbloggsllc.com/openoffice.html</website>
<email>joe@jbloggsllc.com</email>
<phone>123-456-7890</phone>
</consultant>
name == name of your entity, could be your personal name or name of your company
country == one or more ISO country codes that you do business in. If
you do business everywhere you can say "Global"
practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
specifically?
description == plain text, no HTML, description, limit of 300
characters. It should be factual, not an advertisement.
website == URL of your website
email (optional) == contact email address
phone number (optional) == contact phone number
Are these fields reasonable? Any others we should have?
And again, getting some real, specific, non-fake data added will help
validate the design.
Thanks,
-Rob
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
Do you want to throw in language as a datum? Someone might reasonably
list themselves as "Global" but be limited to, say, the
english-speaking world.
Don
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> So I'm wondering... are there other kinds of certification of
>>> >> interest, beyond user certification? Does anyone currently (or do we
>>> >> anticipate) something like a "Certified OpenOffice Developer"? If so
>>> >> we might want to reserve categories for "User Certification" and
>>> >> "Developer Certification". (Admin certification as well?)
>>> >
>>> > Certification can be wide. How can we have certification for users,
>>> > consultants, developers, I believe this could have shed, or maybe just
>>> > for users and developers.
>>> >
>>> > It will depend on where the project wants to reach, but I think having
>>> > to Users, Consultants and Developers.
>>> >
>>> > Because consultants and User: User who want to teach, increases your
>>> > resume. Consultants who wish to migrate to companies etc.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> OK. Let me restate this in another way:
>>>
>>> If we have a fixed schema (a fixed taxonomy or list of "areas of
>>> practice") then this allows us to generate an UI that categories by
>>> this value. So we could have a table of contents or navigation error
>>> that takes you to a list of only "Migration" experts or only
>>> "Certification" experts. For this to work well we need a pre-defined
>>> list, of maybe 5-12 categories that we can fit everyone into. But if
>>> every listing has its own unique category, then this is not very
>>> useful. It doesn't help the consultant or the site visitor.
>>>
>>> But I don't want to do anything unnatural either. If the real world
>>> doesn't fit neatly into 5-12 categories, we could abandon that kind of
>>> categorization and just have it be a free entry field with no special
>>> navigation. Or even eliminate it altogether in favor of the
>>> unstructured "description" field.
>>>
>>> If we think we'll have many listings (more than a page) then having a
>>> categorization would be helpful to the user, I think, to help them
>>> find what they are looking for more easily.
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case thanks to Ian for the listing data. Can anyone else offer
>>> a listing? Alexandro, perhaps?
>>>
>>
>> Our taxonomy only expanded to 3 'tags', Developer, Training, Consultant.
>> Consulting would cover migration services.
>> Development would cover VARs and ISV.
>> Training will cover certification, book publishers, freelance trainers etc.
>>
>> It was common for companies to have two or three categories.
>>
>
> I'm looking at the legacy OOo consultants.ods file, which used to be
> on the website. It was structured like this:
>
> - 404 entities listed
>
> - grouped by country
>
> - sorted by country and local region, e.g. state or province
>
> - no description field, only the entity's name and URL
>
> - one or more categories from this list:
>
> Training (or training materials) - T
> Light customization (macros, templates, ...) - L
> Installation (support, pre-installation or distribution) - I
> Help desk services, general support – H
> Software programming (on demand / custom) - S
> Custom programming (plug-ins, addons, etc) – P
>
> Of course, we don't need to do exactly the same thing, but that is one
> example view of the world.
>
> -Rob
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> > Albino
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On 10/3/12, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Hi.
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> So I'm wondering... are there other kinds of certification of
>>> >> interest, beyond user certification? Does anyone currently (or do we
>>> >> anticipate) something like a "Certified OpenOffice Developer"? If so
>>> >> we might want to reserve categories for "User Certification" and
>>> >> "Developer Certification". (Admin certification as well?)
>>> >
>>> > Certification can be wide. How can we have certification for users,
>>> > consultants, developers, I believe this could have shed, or maybe just
>>> > for users and developers.
>>> >
>>> > It will depend on where the project wants to reach, but I think having
>>> > to Users, Consultants and Developers.
>>> >
>>> > Because consultants and User: User who want to teach, increases your
>>> > resume. Consultants who wish to migrate to companies etc.
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> OK. Let me restate this in another way:
>>>
>>> If we have a fixed schema (a fixed taxonomy or list of "areas of
>>> practice") then this allows us to generate an UI that categories by
>>> this value. So we could have a table of contents or navigation error
>>> that takes you to a list of only "Migration" experts or only
>>> "Certification" experts. For this to work well we need a pre-defined
>>> list, of maybe 5-12 categories that we can fit everyone into. But if
>>> every listing has its own unique category, then this is not very
>>> useful. It doesn't help the consultant or the site visitor.
>>>
>>> But I don't want to do anything unnatural either. If the real world
>>> doesn't fit neatly into 5-12 categories, we could abandon that kind of
>>> categorization and just have it be a free entry field with no special
>>> navigation. Or even eliminate it altogether in favor of the
>>> unstructured "description" field.
>>>
>>> If we think we'll have many listings (more than a page) then having a
>>> categorization would be helpful to the user, I think, to help them
>>> find what they are looking for more easily.
>>>
>>>
>>> In any case thanks to Ian for the listing data. Can anyone else offer
>>> a listing? Alexandro, perhaps?
>>>
>>
>> Our taxonomy only expanded to 3 'tags', Developer, Training, Consultant.
>> Consulting would cover migration services.
>> Development would cover VARs and ISV.
>> Training will cover certification, book publishers, freelance trainers
>> etc.
>>
>> It was common for companies to have two or three categories.
>>
>
> I'm looking at the legacy OOo consultants.ods file, which used to be
> on the website. It was structured like this:
>
> - 404 entities listed
>
> - grouped by country
>
> - sorted by country and local region, e.g. state or province
>
> - no description field, only the entity's name and URL
>
> - one or more categories from this list:
>
> Training (or training materials) - T
> Light customization (macros, templates, ...) - L
> Installation (support, pre-installation or distribution) - I
> Help desk services, general support – H
> Software programming (on demand / custom) - S
> Custom programming (plug-ins, addons, etc) – P
>
> Of course, we don't need to do exactly the same thing, but that is one
> example view of the world.
In my experience the differentiation between Installation, Custom
programming, and even Custom programming was rarely a differentiator.
Since you are working on that spreadsheet try to look for categories
that are always listed together. That might let you decide if the
differentiation between was a necessity.
>
> -Rob
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> -Rob
>>>
>>>
>>> > Albino
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Alexandro Colorado
>> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
>> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> So I'm wondering... are there other kinds of certification of
>> >> interest, beyond user certification? Does anyone currently (or do we
>> >> anticipate) something like a "Certified OpenOffice Developer"? If so
>> >> we might want to reserve categories for "User Certification" and
>> >> "Developer Certification". (Admin certification as well?)
>> >
>> > Certification can be wide. How can we have certification for users,
>> > consultants, developers, I believe this could have shed, or maybe just
>> > for users and developers.
>> >
>> > It will depend on where the project wants to reach, but I think having
>> > to Users, Consultants and Developers.
>> >
>> > Because consultants and User: User who want to teach, increases your
>> > resume. Consultants who wish to migrate to companies etc.
>> >
>>
>>
>> OK. Let me restate this in another way:
>>
>> If we have a fixed schema (a fixed taxonomy or list of "areas of
>> practice") then this allows us to generate an UI that categories by
>> this value. So we could have a table of contents or navigation error
>> that takes you to a list of only "Migration" experts or only
>> "Certification" experts. For this to work well we need a pre-defined
>> list, of maybe 5-12 categories that we can fit everyone into. But if
>> every listing has its own unique category, then this is not very
>> useful. It doesn't help the consultant or the site visitor.
>>
>> But I don't want to do anything unnatural either. If the real world
>> doesn't fit neatly into 5-12 categories, we could abandon that kind of
>> categorization and just have it be a free entry field with no special
>> navigation. Or even eliminate it altogether in favor of the
>> unstructured "description" field.
>>
>> If we think we'll have many listings (more than a page) then having a
>> categorization would be helpful to the user, I think, to help them
>> find what they are looking for more easily.
>>
>>
>> In any case thanks to Ian for the listing data. Can anyone else offer
>> a listing? Alexandro, perhaps?
>>
>
> Our taxonomy only expanded to 3 'tags', Developer, Training, Consultant.
> Consulting would cover migration services.
> Development would cover VARs and ISV.
> Training will cover certification, book publishers, freelance trainers etc.
>
> It was common for companies to have two or three categories.
>
I'm looking at the legacy OOo consultants.ods file, which used to be
on the website. It was structured like this:
- 404 entities listed
- grouped by country
- sorted by country and local region, e.g. state or province
- no description field, only the entity's name and URL
- one or more categories from this list:
Training (or training materials) - T
Light customization (macros, templates, ...) - L
Installation (support, pre-installation or distribution) - I
Help desk services, general support – H
Software programming (on demand / custom) - S
Custom programming (plug-ins, addons, etc) – P
Of course, we don't need to do exactly the same thing, but that is one
example view of the world.
-Rob
>
>
>>
>> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > Albino
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Roberto Galoppini <rg...@geek.net>.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3 October 2012 17:59, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> 2012/10/3 Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>
>>
>> >
>> > The one issue that arises here is that the term certification could mean
>> > certificated to be an authorised developer, trainer or consultant as well
>> > as certificated as a competent user of say Writer. This certainly seems
>> to
>> > have caused confusion in the past and across at LibreO. However, unless
>> AOO
>> > provides some sort of certification of companies authorised to act under
>> > its Logo (which seems counter to ASF policy) I doubt certification of
>> > companies will be relevant whereas qualifications for individuals are
>> > traditionally delivered by third parties so that is more likely to be the
>> > take up.
>> >
>>
>> I'm not sure to have good understood all this discussion, but these
>> questions of certification could have some importance for companies.
>> By my former employer, we had a quality system (GLP) and all our studies
>> had to be made following the rules of this quality sytem to can be
>> internationally recognized. For instance, we had to validate all the
>> spreasheeds used to calculate the results of our studies and our
>> developments. This long administrativ process had to be registered and
>> repeated if we changed the version of the soft for a new one. Moreover,
>> all the technicians involved in the studies had to prove they have been
>> trained with the soft. So, the certification of trainings is a question
>> that we can't perhaps ignore in the future. It has perhaps not the same
>> importance for the end users but it's another question for companies which
>> have to prove that their employees have been teached to fit the
>> requirements of their quality system.
>> Only my opinion and my apologizes for the noise if I haven't completely
>> understood the sense of this thread.
>>
>> A+
>
>
>
> Hi Guy,
>
> It all depends on whether there is market demand and someone in a position
> to meet that demand. We don't really want a lot of items that never get any
> interest but we do want to be able to include as many as possible. Probably
> needs a different thread for detailed discussion of certification. The main
> objective in this thread is to work out the scope for the taxonomy Rob is
> developing for consultants in general. I'm thinking keeping things simple
> within what we know from the previous methods with OOo is best. Rob's
> clear, clean start looks good to me.
Agree, Rob did an excellent job, and keep it simple seems key to me.
Certification is a delicate subject, it has been discussed few times
in the past - at least in the Italian community - and consensus maybe
challenging. Let's see what we can do.
Roberto
>
> --
> Ian
>
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>
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Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
On 3 October 2012 17:59, Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> 2012/10/3 Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>
>
> >
> > The one issue that arises here is that the term certification could mean
> > certificated to be an authorised developer, trainer or consultant as well
> > as certificated as a competent user of say Writer. This certainly seems
> to
> > have caused confusion in the past and across at LibreO. However, unless
> AOO
> > provides some sort of certification of companies authorised to act under
> > its Logo (which seems counter to ASF policy) I doubt certification of
> > companies will be relevant whereas qualifications for individuals are
> > traditionally delivered by third parties so that is more likely to be the
> > take up.
> >
>
> I'm not sure to have good understood all this discussion, but these
> questions of certification could have some importance for companies.
> By my former employer, we had a quality system (GLP) and all our studies
> had to be made following the rules of this quality sytem to can be
> internationally recognized. For instance, we had to validate all the
> spreasheeds used to calculate the results of our studies and our
> developments. This long administrativ process had to be registered and
> repeated if we changed the version of the soft for a new one. Moreover,
> all the technicians involved in the studies had to prove they have been
> trained with the soft. So, the certification of trainings is a question
> that we can't perhaps ignore in the future. It has perhaps not the same
> importance for the end users but it's another question for companies which
> have to prove that their employees have been teached to fit the
> requirements of their quality system.
> Only my opinion and my apologizes for the noise if I haven't completely
> understood the sense of this thread.
>
> A+
Hi Guy,
It all depends on whether there is market demand and someone in a position
to meet that demand. We don't really want a lot of items that never get any
interest but we do want to be able to include as many as possible. Probably
needs a different thread for detailed discussion of certification. The main
objective in this thread is to work out the scope for the taxonomy Rob is
developing for consultants in general. I'm thinking keeping things simple
within what we know from the previous methods with OOo is best. Rob's
clear, clean start looks good to me.
--
Ian
Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
2012/10/3 Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>
>
> The one issue that arises here is that the term certification could mean
> certificated to be an authorised developer, trainer or consultant as well
> as certificated as a competent user of say Writer. This certainly seems to
> have caused confusion in the past and across at LibreO. However, unless AOO
> provides some sort of certification of companies authorised to act under
> its Logo (which seems counter to ASF policy) I doubt certification of
> companies will be relevant whereas qualifications for individuals are
> traditionally delivered by third parties so that is more likely to be the
> take up.
>
I'm not sure to have good understood all this discussion, but these
questions of certification could have some importance for companies.
By my former employer, we had a quality system (GLP) and all our studies
had to be made following the rules of this quality sytem to can be
internationally recognized. For instance, we had to validate all the
spreasheeds used to calculate the results of our studies and our
developments. This long administrativ process had to be registered and
repeated if we changed the version of the soft for a new one. Moreover,
all the technicians involved in the studies had to prove they have been
trained with the soft. So, the certification of trainings is a question
that we can't perhaps ignore in the future. It has perhaps not the same
importance for the end users but it's another question for companies which
have to prove that their employees have been teached to fit the
requirements of their quality system.
Only my opinion and my apologizes for the noise if I haven't completely
understood the sense of this thread.
A+
--
gw
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
On 3 October 2012 02:36, Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
> > > Hi.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > >> So I'm wondering... are there other kinds of certification of
> > >> interest, beyond user certification? Does anyone currently (or do we
> > >> anticipate) something like a "Certified OpenOffice Developer"? If so
> > >> we might want to reserve categories for "User Certification" and
> > >> "Developer Certification". (Admin certification as well?)
> > >
> > > Certification can be wide. How can we have certification for users,
> > > consultants, developers, I believe this could have shed, or maybe just
> > > for users and developers.
> > >
> > > It will depend on where the project wants to reach, but I think having
> > > to Users, Consultants and Developers.
> > >
> > > Because consultants and User: User who want to teach, increases your
> > > resume. Consultants who wish to migrate to companies etc.
> > >
> >
> >
> > OK. Let me restate this in another way:
> >
> > If we have a fixed schema (a fixed taxonomy or list of "areas of
> > practice") then this allows us to generate an UI that categories by
> > this value. So we could have a table of contents or navigation error
> > that takes you to a list of only "Migration" experts or only
> > "Certification" experts. For this to work well we need a pre-defined
> > list, of maybe 5-12 categories that we can fit everyone into. But if
> > every listing has its own unique category, then this is not very
> > useful. It doesn't help the consultant or the site visitor.
> >
> > But I don't want to do anything unnatural either. If the real world
> > doesn't fit neatly into 5-12 categories, we could abandon that kind of
> > categorization and just have it be a free entry field with no special
> > navigation. Or even eliminate it altogether in favor of the
> > unstructured "description" field.
> >
> > If we think we'll have many listings (more than a page) then having a
> > categorization would be helpful to the user, I think, to help them
> > find what they are looking for more easily.
> >
> >
> > In any case thanks to Ian for the listing data. Can anyone else offer
> > a listing? Alexandro, perhaps?
> >
>
> Our taxonomy only expanded to 3 'tags', Developer, Training, Consultant.
> Consulting would cover migration services.
> Development would cover VARs and ISV.
> Training will cover certification, book publishers, freelance trainers etc.
>
> It was common for companies to have two or three categories.
>
The one issue that arises here is that the term certification could mean
certificated to be an authorised developer, trainer or consultant as well
as certificated as a competent user of say Writer. This certainly seems to
have caused confusion in the past and across at LibreO. However, unless AOO
provides some sort of certification of companies authorised to act under
its Logo (which seems counter to ASF policy) I doubt certification of
companies will be relevant whereas qualifications for individuals are
traditionally delivered by third parties so that is more likely to be the
take up.
>
>
>
> >
> > -Rob
> >
> >
> > > Albino
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Alexandro Colorado
> PPMC Apache OpenOffice
> http://es.openoffice.org
>
--
Ian
Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@oooes.org>.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> So I'm wondering... are there other kinds of certification of
> >> interest, beyond user certification? Does anyone currently (or do we
> >> anticipate) something like a "Certified OpenOffice Developer"? If so
> >> we might want to reserve categories for "User Certification" and
> >> "Developer Certification". (Admin certification as well?)
> >
> > Certification can be wide. How can we have certification for users,
> > consultants, developers, I believe this could have shed, or maybe just
> > for users and developers.
> >
> > It will depend on where the project wants to reach, but I think having
> > to Users, Consultants and Developers.
> >
> > Because consultants and User: User who want to teach, increases your
> > resume. Consultants who wish to migrate to companies etc.
> >
>
>
> OK. Let me restate this in another way:
>
> If we have a fixed schema (a fixed taxonomy or list of "areas of
> practice") then this allows us to generate an UI that categories by
> this value. So we could have a table of contents or navigation error
> that takes you to a list of only "Migration" experts or only
> "Certification" experts. For this to work well we need a pre-defined
> list, of maybe 5-12 categories that we can fit everyone into. But if
> every listing has its own unique category, then this is not very
> useful. It doesn't help the consultant or the site visitor.
>
> But I don't want to do anything unnatural either. If the real world
> doesn't fit neatly into 5-12 categories, we could abandon that kind of
> categorization and just have it be a free entry field with no special
> navigation. Or even eliminate it altogether in favor of the
> unstructured "description" field.
>
> If we think we'll have many listings (more than a page) then having a
> categorization would be helpful to the user, I think, to help them
> find what they are looking for more easily.
>
>
> In any case thanks to Ian for the listing data. Can anyone else offer
> a listing? Alexandro, perhaps?
>
Our taxonomy only expanded to 3 'tags', Developer, Training, Consultant.
Consulting would cover migration services.
Development would cover VARs and ISV.
Training will cover certification, book publishers, freelance trainers etc.
It was common for companies to have two or three categories.
>
> -Rob
>
>
> > Albino
>
--
Alexandro Colorado
PPMC Apache OpenOffice
http://es.openoffice.org
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>.
Hi
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> If we think we'll have many listings (more than a page) then having a
> categorization would be helpful to the user, I think, to help them
> find what they are looking for more easily.
I agree, but simple and easy for the user better.
The idea of have to certification Dev and Consultants, would be viable.
Because there will be (or has) various consultants around the world in
their particular subject: migration, support, etc..
Developers can say in particular: bugs, beta testing, apis, etc...
Albino
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> So I'm wondering... are there other kinds of certification of
>> interest, beyond user certification? Does anyone currently (or do we
>> anticipate) something like a "Certified OpenOffice Developer"? If so
>> we might want to reserve categories for "User Certification" and
>> "Developer Certification". (Admin certification as well?)
>
> Certification can be wide. How can we have certification for users,
> consultants, developers, I believe this could have shed, or maybe just
> for users and developers.
>
> It will depend on where the project wants to reach, but I think having
> to Users, Consultants and Developers.
>
> Because consultants and User: User who want to teach, increases your
> resume. Consultants who wish to migrate to companies etc.
>
OK. Let me restate this in another way:
If we have a fixed schema (a fixed taxonomy or list of "areas of
practice") then this allows us to generate an UI that categories by
this value. So we could have a table of contents or navigation error
that takes you to a list of only "Migration" experts or only
"Certification" experts. For this to work well we need a pre-defined
list, of maybe 5-12 categories that we can fit everyone into. But if
every listing has its own unique category, then this is not very
useful. It doesn't help the consultant or the site visitor.
But I don't want to do anything unnatural either. If the real world
doesn't fit neatly into 5-12 categories, we could abandon that kind of
categorization and just have it be a free entry field with no special
navigation. Or even eliminate it altogether in favor of the
unstructured "description" field.
If we think we'll have many listings (more than a page) then having a
categorization would be helpful to the user, I think, to help them
find what they are looking for more easily.
In any case thanks to Ian for the listing data. Can anyone else offer
a listing? Alexandro, perhaps?
-Rob
> Albino
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>.
Hi.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 8:22 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> So I'm wondering... are there other kinds of certification of
> interest, beyond user certification? Does anyone currently (or do we
> anticipate) something like a "Certified OpenOffice Developer"? If so
> we might want to reserve categories for "User Certification" and
> "Developer Certification". (Admin certification as well?)
Certification can be wide. How can we have certification for users,
consultants, developers, I believe this could have shed, or maybe just
for users and developers.
It will depend on where the project wants to reach, but I think having
to Users, Consultants and Developers.
Because consultants and User: User who want to teach, increases your
resume. Consultants who wish to migrate to companies etc.
Albino
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:32 AM, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 October 2012 21:46, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 1 October 2012 20:25, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi.
>> >>
>> >> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> > These three are closely-related and it will probably require an
>> >> > iterative approach to get these right. So it would be of great help
>> >> > to me if a few (3-4) consultants on the ooo-dev list would be willing
>> >> > to work with me to get their listings added now. This may require
>> >> > some back-and-forth as we adjust the schema or uncover additional
>> >> > policy nuances. But better to find this out early.
>> >>
>> >> +1. Me (Portuguese - Brazil).
>> >>
>> >> > practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
>> >> > categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
>> >> > proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
>> >> > Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
>> >> > specifically?
>> >>
>> >> No.
>> >>
>> >> > Are these fields reasonable? Any others we should have?
>> >>
>> >> No.
>> >>
>> >> > And again, getting some real, specific, non-fake data added will help
>> >> > validate the design.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Here is some real data.
>> >
>> > <consultant>
>> > <name>The Learning Machine, Ltd</name>
>> > <country>Global</country>
>> > <practice>Certification</practice>
>> > <practice>User Skills</practice>
>> > <description>The Learning Machine, Ltd provides certification of
>> IT
>> > user skills in the context of Apache Open Office, accredited by the UK
>> > national Regulators and referenced to the European Qualifications
>> > Framework. We work through organisations such as schools, colleges and
>> > adult education providers.</description>
>> > <website>https://theingots.org/community/CertOOo</website>
>> > <email>ian.lynch@theingots.org</email>
>> > <phone>+44 (0) 1827305940</phone>
>> > </consultant>
>> >
>> >
>> > name == name of your entity, could be your personal name or name of your
>> > company
>> >
>> > country == one or more ISO country codes that you do business in. If
>> > you do business everywhere you can say "Global"
>> >
>> > practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
>> > categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
>> > proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
>> > Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
>> > specifically?
>> >
>> > I'm saying certification rather than training because others provide the
>> > training we simply provide certification of the outcomes of the training
>> > for users rather than developers.
>> >
>>
>> OK. I will add "Certification".
>>
>> How do you distinguish a practice in "User Skills" from "Training"?
>> Or is this something else entirely?
>>
>
> Training supports development of user skills, certification confirms they
> have been acquired. Separating the training from the certification reduces
> the risk of conflicts of interest. User skills are for people that use the
> software as opposed to professional IT people like developers, sys admins
> etc. We can certificate those too but so far the market seems more likely
> to be viable in the user space. One way of classifying things could be
> Training at the top level and Certification as a sub-category without
> necessarily separating out the target audience for the certification. I
> doubt there will be a lot of certification consultants so it might be
> better to do it that way, it's simply that it can also be confusing when we
> don't actually offer training ourselves, schools and colleges do that and
> we QA the outcomes independently.
>
> Not sure if that helps but I can go along with whichever way you think
> works best overall.
>
Since this is intended to be a taxonomy that would apply to everyone,
I want to make sure it is clear both to other consultants as well as
to visitors to the website. "Certification" is a good one, and we
can describe it in a way that makes it clear that it is different than
"Training". But it sounds like "User Skills" is a qualifier of
"Certification", i.e., "User Skills Certification". IMHO, delivering
"User Skills" itself sounds like a training offering.
So I'm wondering... are there other kinds of certification of
interest, beyond user certification? Does anyone currently (or do we
anticipate) something like a "Certified OpenOffice Developer"? If so
we might want to reserve categories for "User Certification" and
"Developer Certification". (Admin certification as well?)
-Rob
> -Rob
>>
>>
>> > description == plain text, no HTML, description, limit of 300
>> > characters. It should be factual, not an advertisement.
>> >
>> > website == URL of your website
>> >
>> > email (optional) == contact email address
>> >
>> > phone number (optional) == contact phone number
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Ian
>> >
>> > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
>> >
>> > www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
>> >
>> > The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
>> > Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
>> > Wales.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Ian
>
> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
>
> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
>
> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
> Wales.
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
On 1 October 2012 21:46, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1 October 2012 20:25, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> > These three are closely-related and it will probably require an
> >> > iterative approach to get these right. So it would be of great help
> >> > to me if a few (3-4) consultants on the ooo-dev list would be willing
> >> > to work with me to get their listings added now. This may require
> >> > some back-and-forth as we adjust the schema or uncover additional
> >> > policy nuances. But better to find this out early.
> >>
> >> +1. Me (Portuguese - Brazil).
> >>
> >> > practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
> >> > categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
> >> > proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
> >> > Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
> >> > specifically?
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> > Are these fields reasonable? Any others we should have?
> >>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> > And again, getting some real, specific, non-fake data added will help
> >> > validate the design.
> >>
> >
> > Here is some real data.
> >
> > <consultant>
> > <name>The Learning Machine, Ltd</name>
> > <country>Global</country>
> > <practice>Certification</practice>
> > <practice>User Skills</practice>
> > <description>The Learning Machine, Ltd provides certification of
> IT
> > user skills in the context of Apache Open Office, accredited by the UK
> > national Regulators and referenced to the European Qualifications
> > Framework. We work through organisations such as schools, colleges and
> > adult education providers.</description>
> > <website>https://theingots.org/community/CertOOo</website>
> > <email>ian.lynch@theingots.org</email>
> > <phone>+44 (0) 1827305940</phone>
> > </consultant>
> >
> >
> > name == name of your entity, could be your personal name or name of your
> > company
> >
> > country == one or more ISO country codes that you do business in. If
> > you do business everywhere you can say "Global"
> >
> > practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
> > categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
> > proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
> > Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
> > specifically?
> >
> > I'm saying certification rather than training because others provide the
> > training we simply provide certification of the outcomes of the training
> > for users rather than developers.
> >
>
> OK. I will add "Certification".
>
> How do you distinguish a practice in "User Skills" from "Training"?
> Or is this something else entirely?
>
Training supports development of user skills, certification confirms they
have been acquired. Separating the training from the certification reduces
the risk of conflicts of interest. User skills are for people that use the
software as opposed to professional IT people like developers, sys admins
etc. We can certificate those too but so far the market seems more likely
to be viable in the user space. One way of classifying things could be
Training at the top level and Certification as a sub-category without
necessarily separating out the target audience for the certification. I
doubt there will be a lot of certification consultants so it might be
better to do it that way, it's simply that it can also be confusing when we
don't actually offer training ourselves, schools and colleges do that and
we QA the outcomes independently.
Not sure if that helps but I can go along with whichever way you think
works best overall.
-Rob
>
>
> > description == plain text, no HTML, description, limit of 300
> > characters. It should be factual, not an advertisement.
> >
> > website == URL of your website
> >
> > email (optional) == contact email address
> >
> > phone number (optional) == contact phone number
> >
> >
> > --
> > Ian
> >
> > Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
> >
> > www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
> >
> > The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
> > Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
> > Wales.
>
--
Ian
Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 October 2012 20:25, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > These three are closely-related and it will probably require an
>> > iterative approach to get these right. So it would be of great help
>> > to me if a few (3-4) consultants on the ooo-dev list would be willing
>> > to work with me to get their listings added now. This may require
>> > some back-and-forth as we adjust the schema or uncover additional
>> > policy nuances. But better to find this out early.
>>
>> +1. Me (Portuguese - Brazil).
>>
>> > practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
>> > categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
>> > proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
>> > Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
>> > specifically?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> > Are these fields reasonable? Any others we should have?
>>
>> No.
>>
>> > And again, getting some real, specific, non-fake data added will help
>> > validate the design.
>>
>
> Here is some real data.
>
> <consultant>
> <name>The Learning Machine, Ltd</name>
> <country>Global</country>
> <practice>Certification</practice>
> <practice>User Skills</practice>
> <description>The Learning Machine, Ltd provides certification of IT
> user skills in the context of Apache Open Office, accredited by the UK
> national Regulators and referenced to the European Qualifications
> Framework. We work through organisations such as schools, colleges and
> adult education providers.</description>
> <website>https://theingots.org/community/CertOOo</website>
> <email>ian.lynch@theingots.org</email>
> <phone>+44 (0) 1827305940</phone>
> </consultant>
>
>
> name == name of your entity, could be your personal name or name of your
> company
>
> country == one or more ISO country codes that you do business in. If
> you do business everywhere you can say "Global"
>
> practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
> categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
> proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
> Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
> specifically?
>
> I'm saying certification rather than training because others provide the
> training we simply provide certification of the outcomes of the training
> for users rather than developers.
>
OK. I will add "Certification".
How do you distinguish a practice in "User Skills" from "Training"?
Or is this something else entirely?
-Rob
> description == plain text, no HTML, description, limit of 300
> characters. It should be factual, not an advertisement.
>
> website == URL of your website
>
> email (optional) == contact email address
>
> phone number (optional) == contact phone number
>
>
> --
> Ian
>
> Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
>
> www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
>
> The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
> Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
> Wales.
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Ian Lynch <ia...@gmail.com>.
On 1 October 2012 20:25, Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi.
>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> > These three are closely-related and it will probably require an
> > iterative approach to get these right. So it would be of great help
> > to me if a few (3-4) consultants on the ooo-dev list would be willing
> > to work with me to get their listings added now. This may require
> > some back-and-forth as we adjust the schema or uncover additional
> > policy nuances. But better to find this out early.
>
> +1. Me (Portuguese - Brazil).
>
> > practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
> > categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
> > proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
> > Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
> > specifically?
>
> No.
>
> > Are these fields reasonable? Any others we should have?
>
> No.
>
> > And again, getting some real, specific, non-fake data added will help
> > validate the design.
>
Here is some real data.
<consultant>
<name>The Learning Machine, Ltd</name>
<country>Global</country>
<practice>Certification</practice>
<practice>User Skills</practice>
<description>The Learning Machine, Ltd provides certification of IT
user skills in the context of Apache Open Office, accredited by the UK
national Regulators and referenced to the European Qualifications
Framework. We work through organisations such as schools, colleges and
adult education providers.</description>
<website>https://theingots.org/community/CertOOo</website>
<email>ian.lynch@theingots.org</email>
<phone>+44 (0) 1827305940</phone>
</consultant>
name == name of your entity, could be your personal name or name of your
company
country == one or more ISO country codes that you do business in. If
you do business everywhere you can say "Global"
practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
specifically?
I'm saying certification rather than training because others provide the
training we simply provide certification of the outcomes of the training
for users rather than developers.
description == plain text, no HTML, description, limit of 300
characters. It should be factual, not an advertisement.
website == URL of your website
email (optional) == contact email address
phone number (optional) == contact phone number
--
Ian
Ofqual Accredited IT Qualifications (The Schools ITQ)
www.theINGOTs.org +44 (0)1827 305940
The Learning Machine Limited, Reg Office, 36 Ashby Road, Tamworth,
Staffordshire, B79 8AQ. Reg No: 05560797, Registered in England and
Wales.
Re: Seeking OpenOffice consultants -- help us validate our new
consultants listings
Posted by Albino B Neto <bi...@apache.org>.
Hi.
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> These three are closely-related and it will probably require an
> iterative approach to get these right. So it would be of great help
> to me if a few (3-4) consultants on the ooo-dev list would be willing
> to work with me to get their listings added now. This may require
> some back-and-forth as we adjust the schema or uncover additional
> policy nuances. But better to find this out early.
+1. Me (Portuguese - Brazil).
> practice == one or more areas of practice. I'd like to use this for
> categorization, so it will be a fixed list of options. Currently I'm
> proposing: Deployment, Migration, Extensions, Training,
> Customization. Other. Are there any other areas we should mention
> specifically?
No.
> Are these fields reasonable? Any others we should have?
No.
> And again, getting some real, specific, non-fake data added will help
> validate the design.
Yes.
Albino