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Posted to general@incubator.apache.org by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com> on 2003/07/31 23:30:01 UTC
request to accept new project: wsrp4j
ibm has a codebase that they want to open through the asf. the
detailed proposal has already been posted on the apache wiki at
http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?CharonProposal
by sam, several months ago.
they are ready to dot the eyes and cross the teas; they are
assembling the clas, will be executing the software grant
as soon as i get it to them, they have a community of developers,
they have a sponsoring asf project (web services) which is
eager for it, and they have a mentor to help them through the
process (sam ruby). Davinum Srinivas <di...@apache.org> from
the web services project (cc'd) should be able to answer any
questions from that end.
the codebase is dependent upon another which is *not* yet open,
but which will be licensed appropriately and which is intended
to follow the first one as a donation. for internal ibm reasons
to which i'm not privy, this must be a rear-drive cart. however,
since the horse will have safe licensing, i don't anticipate a
problem.
also, for whatever reason, they would like to get this moving as
fast as possible. since it appears to meet all of our (albeit
somewhat vague) criteria for incubation eligibility, i think this
is a no-brainer and we should pretty much just say 'yes.'
please reply asap if you have objections; if i don't see any by
monday, i'll assume a lazy consensus and get the ball rolling.
also speak up if you object to my doing so. :-)
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 05:52:17AM -0700, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> #1 - "-1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived"". Where EXACTLY is this process
> documented???????? ("how/when should someone send a note to incubator about a project to get the
> ball rolling")
I was referring to the fact that it arrived with a note saying the WS PMC
had accepted the project, when they hadn't even heard of the thing.
Cheers,
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 05:52:17AM -0700, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> #1 - "-1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived"". Where EXACTLY is this process
> documented???????? ("how/when should someone send a note to incubator about a project to get the
> ball rolling")
I was referring to the fact that it arrived with a note saying the WS PMC
had accepted the project, when they hadn't even heard of the thing.
Cheers,
-g
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:55:13AM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>...
> > I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> > Incubator.
>
> miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that
> everything was done and the actual incubation inception was become
> the bottleneck. sam and davinum can respond, and i'll ask richard
> jacob (from the wsrp4j team) to join the list here.
>
> i don't know about anyone else, but *i'm* certainly trying to have
> this be as open as possible, and move as swiftly as possible. the
> former is more important than the latter, though.
Excellent! Thanks, Ken. Yes, I figured there was miscommunication somewhere,
but for it to miss *two* PMC discussions was a bit more than I could
swallow... :-)
Thanks for the clarification. Looks like we'll hear back from the WS PMC
shortly, so we're all cool.
Cheers,
-g
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Fri, Aug 01, 2003 at 11:55:13AM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>...
> > I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> > Incubator.
>
> miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that
> everything was done and the actual incubation inception was become
> the bottleneck. sam and davinum can respond, and i'll ask richard
> jacob (from the wsrp4j team) to join the list here.
>
> i don't know about anyone else, but *i'm* certainly trying to have
> this be as open as possible, and move as swiftly as possible. the
> former is more important than the latter, though.
Excellent! Thanks, Ken. Yes, I figured there was miscommunication somewhere,
but for it to miss *two* PMC discussions was a bit more than I could
swallow... :-)
Thanks for the clarification. Looks like we'll hear back from the WS PMC
shortly, so we're all cool.
Cheers,
-g
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Status update:
- Started the VOTE on WS-PMC. Will report back the results.
- There's Portlet API jar (named pluto.jar) that is required by both Charon and Jetspeed-2. The
Jetspeed-2 folks are working on it
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jetspeed-dev&m=105949774325419&w=2).
Questions:
- Is availability of pluto.jar file a Show Stopper for Charon?
- If it is a show-stopper, how come it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this dependency?
- What else is required before Charon can be accepted for incubation?
Thanks,
dims
--- Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com> wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
> >
> > So how exactly was this projected "accepted"? I see zero discussion before
> > Ken's post to general@incubator. That seems *very* inappropriate.
>
> it hasn't been accepted, at least not by the incubator. oh,
> you mean the sponsoring project. all i can say is what i was told
> by sam, which i've already done.
>
> > Fair enough, but Sam isn't the decision maker on whether something gets
> > accepted, and not necessarily on where it goes. Especially when there has
> > been zero discussion.
>
> greg, i'm on neither of those lists. i took sam at his word.
> and he is apparently offline for a few days and unable to respond.
> he told me davinum ex officio web services was ready for it to
> come to ws; not being on that list, i had to accept that, too --
> but i also cc'd sam and davinum on the mail to clarify anything
> i screwed up.
>
> > I'm not too concerned about having the dependent code *at* the ASF, since we
> > usually have dependencies on external things. However, I *do* think a
> > necessary precondition is that it becomes available with an ASL-compatible
> > license before the incubation is accepted.
>
> it will be. that's what i meant by 'safe licensing'.
>
> > My binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After
> > that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing
> > post-incubation.
>
> fair enough.
>
> > I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> > Incubator.
>
> miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that
> everything was done and the actual incubation inception was become
> the bottleneck. sam and davinum can respond, and i'll ask richard
> jacob (from the wsrp4j team) to join the list here.
>
> i don't know about anyone else, but *i'm* certainly trying to have
> this be as open as possible, and move as swiftly as possible. the
> former is more important than the latter, though.
> --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Richard Jacob <ri...@de.ibm.com>.
Ted Leung wrote:
> What is the exact licensing of pluto.jar?
It's not a *single* pluto.jar. The JARs pluto
generates are the portlet API JAR and the
reference impl. container JARs.
We are currently working on the licence.
In general we want to provide it royalty-free,
as-is, redistributable, etc. Since the JSR168 is
still in the public review we need to charectarize
the JARs as being non-final technology, for
evaluation only.
The code for these JARs will be open sourced anyway
some weeks later.
Richard.
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.
On 8/1/2003 10:09 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>Status update:
>- Started the VOTE on WS-PMC. Will report back the results.
>- There's Portlet API jar (named pluto.jar) that is required by both Charon and Jetspeed-2. The
>Jetspeed-2 folks are working on it
>(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jetspeed-dev&m=105949774325419&w=2).
>
>Questions:
>- Is availability of pluto.jar file a Show Stopper for Charon?
>
What is the exact licensing of pluto.jar?
>- If it is a show-stopper, how come it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this dependency?
>
It's not clear to me that it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this
dependency. You'll recall that we had to go back through and remove non
ASL compliant jars from CVS. It seems that this one was missed.
Ted
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Richard Jacob <ri...@de.ibm.com>.
Steven Noels wrote:
> Out of curiosity: what's the specific problem with pluto.jar? Who is
> still discussing stuff with lawyers (IIUC)?
That's me. The problem is that wsrp4j usese pluto *JARs*
which contain the portlet API classes and the JSR168 reference
impl. container. The code for these is not Open Source yet but will
be some weeks later anyway. For now we have to find a licence statement
that satisfies IBM, Apache and jcp.org.
Richard
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On 1/08/2003 19:09 Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> - There's Portlet API jar (named pluto.jar) that is required by both Charon and Jetspeed-2. The
> Jetspeed-2 folks are working on it
> (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jetspeed-dev&m=105949774325419&w=2).
>
> Questions:
> - Is availability of pluto.jar file a Show Stopper for Charon?
> - If it is a show-stopper, how come it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this dependency?
Out of curiosity: what's the specific problem with pluto.jar? Who is
still discussing stuff with lawyers (IIUC)?
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.
On 8/1/2003 10:09 AM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>Status update:
>- Started the VOTE on WS-PMC. Will report back the results.
>- There's Portlet API jar (named pluto.jar) that is required by both Charon and Jetspeed-2. The
>Jetspeed-2 folks are working on it
>(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jetspeed-dev&m=105949774325419&w=2).
>
>Questions:
>- Is availability of pluto.jar file a Show Stopper for Charon?
>
What is the exact licensing of pluto.jar?
>- If it is a show-stopper, how come it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this dependency?
>
It's not clear to me that it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this
dependency. You'll recall that we had to go back through and remove non
ASL compliant jars from CVS. It seems that this one was missed.
Ted
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Steven Noels <st...@outerthought.org>.
On 1/08/2003 19:09 Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> - There's Portlet API jar (named pluto.jar) that is required by both Charon and Jetspeed-2. The
> Jetspeed-2 folks are working on it
> (http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jetspeed-dev&m=105949774325419&w=2).
>
> Questions:
> - Is availability of pluto.jar file a Show Stopper for Charon?
> - If it is a show-stopper, how come it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this dependency?
Out of curiosity: what's the specific problem with pluto.jar? Who is
still discussing stuff with lawyers (IIUC)?
</Steven>
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Status update:
- Started the VOTE on WS-PMC. Will report back the results.
- There's Portlet API jar (named pluto.jar) that is required by both Charon and Jetspeed-2. The
Jetspeed-2 folks are working on it
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jetspeed-dev&m=105949774325419&w=2).
Questions:
- Is availability of pluto.jar file a Show Stopper for Charon?
- If it is a show-stopper, how come it is ok for jetspeed-2 to have this dependency?
- What else is required before Charon can be accepted for incubation?
Thanks,
dims
--- Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com> wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
> >
> > So how exactly was this projected "accepted"? I see zero discussion before
> > Ken's post to general@incubator. That seems *very* inappropriate.
>
> it hasn't been accepted, at least not by the incubator. oh,
> you mean the sponsoring project. all i can say is what i was told
> by sam, which i've already done.
>
> > Fair enough, but Sam isn't the decision maker on whether something gets
> > accepted, and not necessarily on where it goes. Especially when there has
> > been zero discussion.
>
> greg, i'm on neither of those lists. i took sam at his word.
> and he is apparently offline for a few days and unable to respond.
> he told me davinum ex officio web services was ready for it to
> come to ws; not being on that list, i had to accept that, too --
> but i also cc'd sam and davinum on the mail to clarify anything
> i screwed up.
>
> > I'm not too concerned about having the dependent code *at* the ASF, since we
> > usually have dependencies on external things. However, I *do* think a
> > necessary precondition is that it becomes available with an ASL-compatible
> > license before the incubation is accepted.
>
> it will be. that's what i meant by 'safe licensing'.
>
> > My binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After
> > that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing
> > post-incubation.
>
> fair enough.
>
> > I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> > Incubator.
>
> miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that
> everything was done and the actual incubation inception was become
> the bottleneck. sam and davinum can respond, and i'll ask richard
> jacob (from the wsrp4j team) to join the list here.
>
> i don't know about anyone else, but *i'm* certainly trying to have
> this be as open as possible, and move as swiftly as possible. the
> former is more important than the latter, though.
> --
> #ken P-)}
>
> Ken Coar, Sanagendamgagwedweinini http://Golux.Com/coar/
> Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
>
> "Millennium hand and shrimp!"
>
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Greg Stein wrote:
>
> So how exactly was this projected "accepted"? I see zero discussion before
> Ken's post to general@incubator. That seems *very* inappropriate.
it hasn't been accepted, at least not by the incubator. oh,
you mean the sponsoring project. all i can say is what i was told
by sam, which i've already done.
> Fair enough, but Sam isn't the decision maker on whether something gets
> accepted, and not necessarily on where it goes. Especially when there has
> been zero discussion.
greg, i'm on neither of those lists. i took sam at his word.
and he is apparently offline for a few days and unable to respond.
he told me davinum ex officio web services was ready for it to
come to ws; not being on that list, i had to accept that, too --
but i also cc'd sam and davinum on the mail to clarify anything
i screwed up.
> I'm not too concerned about having the dependent code *at* the ASF, since we
> usually have dependencies on external things. However, I *do* think a
> necessary precondition is that it becomes available with an ASL-compatible
> license before the incubation is accepted.
it will be. that's what i meant by 'safe licensing'.
> My binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After
> that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing
> post-incubation.
fair enough.
> I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> Incubator.
miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that
everything was done and the actual incubation inception was become
the bottleneck. sam and davinum can respond, and i'll ask richard
jacob (from the wsrp4j team) to join the list here.
i don't know about anyone else, but *i'm* certainly trying to have
this be as open as possible, and move as swiftly as possible. the
former is more important than the latter, though.
--
#ken P-)}
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Greg Stein wrote:
>
> So how exactly was this projected "accepted"? I see zero discussion before
> Ken's post to general@incubator. That seems *very* inappropriate.
it hasn't been accepted, at least not by the incubator. oh,
you mean the sponsoring project. all i can say is what i was told
by sam, which i've already done.
> Fair enough, but Sam isn't the decision maker on whether something gets
> accepted, and not necessarily on where it goes. Especially when there has
> been zero discussion.
greg, i'm on neither of those lists. i took sam at his word.
and he is apparently offline for a few days and unable to respond.
he told me davinum ex officio web services was ready for it to
come to ws; not being on that list, i had to accept that, too --
but i also cc'd sam and davinum on the mail to clarify anything
i screwed up.
> I'm not too concerned about having the dependent code *at* the ASF, since we
> usually have dependencies on external things. However, I *do* think a
> necessary precondition is that it becomes available with an ASL-compatible
> license before the incubation is accepted.
it will be. that's what i meant by 'safe licensing'.
> My binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After
> that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing
> post-incubation.
fair enough.
> I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> Incubator.
miscommunication, is all. i assumed from what i was told that
everything was done and the actual incubation inception was become
the bottleneck. sam and davinum can respond, and i'll ask richard
jacob (from the wsrp4j team) to join the list here.
i don't know about anyone else, but *i'm* certainly trying to have
this be as open as possible, and move as swiftly as possible. the
former is more important than the latter, though.
--
#ken P-)}
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Author, developer, opinionist http://Apache-Server.Com/
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
#1 - "-1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived"". Where EXACTLY is this process
documented???????? ("how/when should someone send a note to incubator about a project to get the
ball rolling")
#2 - I was a bit surprised that this note about Charon to incubator did not come from either me or
sam.
#3 - jetspeed-2 is where to pluto jar(s) will reside. See note from David Sean Taylor
("http://www.mail-archive.com/jetspeed-user@jakarta.apache.org/msg09175.html"). We already have an
Apache project dependent on it.
Thanks,
dims
--- Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 07:06:13PM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> > Ted Leung wrote:
> > > I'm unclear as to the project destination here. Your message says its
> > > WS and the proposal
> > > says Jakarta. I just looked and couldn't find it. I also couldn't find
> > > it in general@jakarta.
>
> And I don't recall seeing it on pmc@jakarta.apache.org.
>
> Hunh. I just searched the pmc@jakarta archives for "wsrp4j" (case
> insensitive). I found ZERO references to wsrp4j in the May/June/July
> timeframe.
>
> Also searched the pmc@ws.apache.org archive since it was started, and I
> found ZERO references.
>
> So how exactly was this projected "accepted"? I see zero discussion before
> Ken's post to general@incubator. That seems *very* inappropriate.
>
> > > As long has voted to accept it, I've no problem. It's just that I'm on
> > > the WS PMC and I can't
> > > remember the vote for this.
> >
> > sam, davinum? in the conference with sam and richard jacob
> > yesterday, ws was clearly identified, and sam commented that
> > although jakarta had been the original destination it had
> > been decided that ws was much more appropriate. i guess no-one
> > updated the wiki.
>
> Fair enough, but Sam isn't the decision maker on whether something gets
> accepted, and not necessarily on where it goes. Especially when there has
> been zero discussion.
>
> > >>the codebase is dependent upon another which is *not* yet open,
> > >>but which will be licensed appropriately and which is intended
> > >>to follow the first one as a donation. for internal ibm reasons
> > >>to which i'm not privy, this must be a rear-drive cart. however,
> > >>since the horse will have safe licensing, i don't anticipate a
> > >>problem.
> > >
> > > I object to this. I would prefer to see both donated together,
> > > especially if one cannot work
> > > without the other.
> >
> > can't be done. has to be this way. not our choice.
>
> I'm not too concerned about having the dependent code *at* the ASF, since we
> usually have dependencies on external things. However, I *do* think a
> necessary precondition is that it becomes available with an ASL-compatible
> license before the incubation is accepted.
>
> > >>please reply asap if you have objections; if i don't see any by
> > >>monday, i'll assume a lazy consensus and get the ball rolling.
> >
> > btw, this is primarily for the pmc, since it's the pmc's vote/decision
> > about acceptance that determines it. non-pmc opinions are
> > eagerly solicited, but non-binding and advisory..
>
> My binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After
> that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing
> post-incubation.
>
> I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> Incubator.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> #2 - I was a bit surprised that this note about Charon to incubator did not
> come from either me or sam.
sam asked me.
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
#1 - "-1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived"". Where EXACTLY is this process
documented???????? ("how/when should someone send a note to incubator about a project to get the
ball rolling")
#2 - I was a bit surprised that this note about Charon to incubator did not come from either me or
sam.
#3 - jetspeed-2 is where to pluto jar(s) will reside. See note from David Sean Taylor
("http://www.mail-archive.com/jetspeed-user@jakarta.apache.org/msg09175.html"). We already have an
Apache project dependent on it.
Thanks,
dims
--- Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 07:06:13PM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> > Ted Leung wrote:
> > > I'm unclear as to the project destination here. Your message says its
> > > WS and the proposal
> > > says Jakarta. I just looked and couldn't find it. I also couldn't find
> > > it in general@jakarta.
>
> And I don't recall seeing it on pmc@jakarta.apache.org.
>
> Hunh. I just searched the pmc@jakarta archives for "wsrp4j" (case
> insensitive). I found ZERO references to wsrp4j in the May/June/July
> timeframe.
>
> Also searched the pmc@ws.apache.org archive since it was started, and I
> found ZERO references.
>
> So how exactly was this projected "accepted"? I see zero discussion before
> Ken's post to general@incubator. That seems *very* inappropriate.
>
> > > As long has voted to accept it, I've no problem. It's just that I'm on
> > > the WS PMC and I can't
> > > remember the vote for this.
> >
> > sam, davinum? in the conference with sam and richard jacob
> > yesterday, ws was clearly identified, and sam commented that
> > although jakarta had been the original destination it had
> > been decided that ws was much more appropriate. i guess no-one
> > updated the wiki.
>
> Fair enough, but Sam isn't the decision maker on whether something gets
> accepted, and not necessarily on where it goes. Especially when there has
> been zero discussion.
>
> > >>the codebase is dependent upon another which is *not* yet open,
> > >>but which will be licensed appropriately and which is intended
> > >>to follow the first one as a donation. for internal ibm reasons
> > >>to which i'm not privy, this must be a rear-drive cart. however,
> > >>since the horse will have safe licensing, i don't anticipate a
> > >>problem.
> > >
> > > I object to this. I would prefer to see both donated together,
> > > especially if one cannot work
> > > without the other.
> >
> > can't be done. has to be this way. not our choice.
>
> I'm not too concerned about having the dependent code *at* the ASF, since we
> usually have dependencies on external things. However, I *do* think a
> necessary precondition is that it becomes available with an ASL-compatible
> license before the incubation is accepted.
>
> > >>please reply asap if you have objections; if i don't see any by
> > >>monday, i'll assume a lazy consensus and get the ball rolling.
> >
> > btw, this is primarily for the pmc, since it's the pmc's vote/decision
> > about acceptance that determines it. non-pmc opinions are
> > eagerly solicited, but non-binding and advisory..
>
> My binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After
> that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing
> post-incubation.
>
> I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
> Incubator.
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
> --
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Thu, Jul 31, 2003 at 07:06:13PM -0400, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
> Ted Leung wrote:
> > I'm unclear as to the project destination here. Your message says its
> > WS and the proposal
> > says Jakarta. I just looked and couldn't find it. I also couldn't find
> > it in general@jakarta.
And I don't recall seeing it on pmc@jakarta.apache.org.
Hunh. I just searched the pmc@jakarta archives for "wsrp4j" (case
insensitive). I found ZERO references to wsrp4j in the May/June/July
timeframe.
Also searched the pmc@ws.apache.org archive since it was started, and I
found ZERO references.
So how exactly was this projected "accepted"? I see zero discussion before
Ken's post to general@incubator. That seems *very* inappropriate.
> > As long has voted to accept it, I've no problem. It's just that I'm on
> > the WS PMC and I can't
> > remember the vote for this.
>
> sam, davinum? in the conference with sam and richard jacob
> yesterday, ws was clearly identified, and sam commented that
> although jakarta had been the original destination it had
> been decided that ws was much more appropriate. i guess no-one
> updated the wiki.
Fair enough, but Sam isn't the decision maker on whether something gets
accepted, and not necessarily on where it goes. Especially when there has
been zero discussion.
> >>the codebase is dependent upon another which is *not* yet open,
> >>but which will be licensed appropriately and which is intended
> >>to follow the first one as a donation. for internal ibm reasons
> >>to which i'm not privy, this must be a rear-drive cart. however,
> >>since the horse will have safe licensing, i don't anticipate a
> >>problem.
> >
> > I object to this. I would prefer to see both donated together,
> > especially if one cannot work
> > without the other.
>
> can't be done. has to be this way. not our choice.
I'm not too concerned about having the dependent code *at* the ASF, since we
usually have dependencies on external things. However, I *do* think a
necessary precondition is that it becomes available with an ASL-compatible
license before the incubation is accepted.
> >>please reply asap if you have objections; if i don't see any by
> >>monday, i'll assume a lazy consensus and get the ball rolling.
>
> btw, this is primarily for the pmc, since it's the pmc's vote/decision
> about acceptance that determines it. non-pmc opinions are
> eagerly solicited, but non-binding and advisory..
My binding vote is -1 until we see the dependency made available. After
that, +1 assuming that the WS PMC votes to actually accept the thing
post-incubation.
I'm also a -1 on the apparent process on how this "arrived" at the
Incubator.
Cheers,
-g
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com>.
Ted Leung wrote:
>
> I'm unclear as to the project destination here. Your message says its
> WS and the proposal
> says Jakarta. I just looked and couldn't find it. I also couldn't find
> it in general@jakarta.
> As long has voted to accept it, I've no problem. It's just that I'm on
> the WS PMC and I can't
> remember the vote for this.
sam, davinum? in the conference with sam and richard jacob
yesterday, ws was clearly identified, and sam commented that
although jakarta had been the original destination it had
been decided that ws was much more appropriate. i guess no-one
updated the wiki.
>>the codebase is dependent upon another which is *not* yet open,
>>but which will be licensed appropriately and which is intended
>>to follow the first one as a donation. for internal ibm reasons
>>to which i'm not privy, this must be a rear-drive cart. however,
>>since the horse will have safe licensing, i don't anticipate a
>>problem.
>>
>>
> I object to this. I would prefer to see both donated together,
> especially if one cannot work
> without the other.
can't be done. has to be this way. not our choice.
>>please reply asap if you have objections; if i don't see any by
>>monday, i'll assume a lazy consensus and get the ball rolling.
btw, this is primarily for the pmc, since it's the pmc's vote/decision
about acceptance that determines it. non-pmc opinions are
eagerly solicited, but non-binding and advisory..
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
Ted, Ken,
The dependent project was the JSR168 Impl which is Jetspeed2 (already in our CVS). There's no
other dependencies that i know of.
Ted,
Yes, we've not voted on it yet in the WS-PMC. I will start the VOTE and get the results back to
incubator folks.
Thanks,
dims
--- Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com> wrote:
> On 7/31/2003 2:30 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>
> >they are ready to dot the eyes and cross the teas; they are
> >assembling the clas, will be executing the software grant
> >as soon as i get it to them, they have a community of developers,
> >they have a sponsoring asf project (web services) which is
> >eager for it, and they have a mentor to help them through the
> >process (sam ruby). Davinum Srinivas <di...@apache.org> from
> >the web services project (cc'd) should be able to answer any
> >questions from that end.
> >
> >
> I'm unclear as to the project destination here. Your message says its
> WS and the proposal
> says Jakarta. I just looked and couldn't find it. I also couldn't find
> it in general@jakarta.
> As long has voted to accept it, I've no problem. It's just that I'm on
> the WS PMC and I can't
> remember the vote for this.
>
> >the codebase is dependent upon another which is *not* yet open,
> >but which will be licensed appropriately and which is intended
> >to follow the first one as a donation. for internal ibm reasons
> >to which i'm not privy, this must be a rear-drive cart. however,
> >since the horse will have safe licensing, i don't anticipate a
> >problem.
> >
> >
> I object to this. I would prefer to see both donated together,
> especially if one cannot work
> without the other.
>
> >please reply asap if you have objections; if i don't see any by
> >monday, i'll assume a lazy consensus and get the ball rolling.
> >also speak up if you object to my doing so. :-)
> >
> See above.
>
> Ted
>
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Ted Leung <tw...@sauria.com>.
On 7/31/2003 2:30 PM, Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
>they are ready to dot the eyes and cross the teas; they are
>assembling the clas, will be executing the software grant
>as soon as i get it to them, they have a community of developers,
>they have a sponsoring asf project (web services) which is
>eager for it, and they have a mentor to help them through the
>process (sam ruby). Davinum Srinivas <di...@apache.org> from
>the web services project (cc'd) should be able to answer any
>questions from that end.
>
>
I'm unclear as to the project destination here. Your message says its
WS and the proposal
says Jakarta. I just looked and couldn't find it. I also couldn't find
it in general@jakarta.
As long has voted to accept it, I've no problem. It's just that I'm on
the WS PMC and I can't
remember the vote for this.
>the codebase is dependent upon another which is *not* yet open,
>but which will be licensed appropriately and which is intended
>to follow the first one as a donation. for internal ibm reasons
>to which i'm not privy, this must be a rear-drive cart. however,
>since the horse will have safe licensing, i don't anticipate a
>problem.
>
>
I object to this. I would prefer to see both donated together,
especially if one cannot work
without the other.
>please reply asap if you have objections; if i don't see any by
>monday, i'll assume a lazy consensus and get the ball rolling.
>also speak up if you object to my doing so. :-)
>
See above.
Ted
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RE: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> FYI, AFAIK Charon depends on JSR168 Impl - jetspeed2 (code
> checked in just a few days ago -
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-jetspeed-2/). So we should
> not have a problem.
>
I thought the JSR 168 Impl is the Pluto proposal
(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?PlutoProposal)?
Has this plan changed?
Carsten
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RE: request to accept new project: wsrp4j:K@N@!:
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
>
> FYI, AFAIK Charon depends on JSR168 Impl - jetspeed2 (code
> checked in just a few days ago -
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-jetspeed-2/). So we should
> not have a problem.
>
I thought the JSR 168 Impl is the Pluto proposal
(http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?PlutoProposal)?
Has this plan changed?
Carsten
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Re: request to accept new project: wsrp4j
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <di...@yahoo.com>.
FYI, AFAIK Charon depends on JSR168 Impl - jetspeed2 (code checked in just a few days ago -
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-jetspeed-2/). So we should not have a problem.
Thanks,
dims
--- Rodent of Unusual Size <Ke...@Golux.Com> wrote:
> ibm has a codebase that they want to open through the asf. the
> detailed proposal has already been posted on the apache wiki at
> http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?CharonProposal
> by sam, several months ago.
>
> they are ready to dot the eyes and cross the teas; they are
> assembling the clas, will be executing the software grant
> as soon as i get it to them, they have a community of developers,
> they have a sponsoring asf project (web services) which is
> eager for it, and they have a mentor to help them through the
> process (sam ruby). Davinum Srinivas <di...@apache.org> from
> the web services project (cc'd) should be able to answer any
> questions from that end.
>
> the codebase is dependent upon another which is *not* yet open,
> but which will be licensed appropriately and which is intended
> to follow the first one as a donation. for internal ibm reasons
> to which i'm not privy, this must be a rear-drive cart. however,
> since the horse will have safe licensing, i don't anticipate a
> problem.
>
> also, for whatever reason, they would like to get this moving as
> fast as possible. since it appears to meet all of our (albeit
> somewhat vague) criteria for incubation eligibility, i think this
> is a no-brainer and we should pretty much just say 'yes.'
>
> please reply asap if you have objections; if i don't see any by
> monday, i'll assume a lazy consensus and get the ball rolling.
> also speak up if you object to my doing so. :-)
> --
> #ken P-)}
>
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