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Posted to dev@any23.apache.org by Giovanni Tummarello <gi...@deri.org> on 2012/06/30 19:26:53 UTC
Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Dear all,
my apologizes if this isnt maybe the right venue, but i think you guys
are a great group to give me suggestions on what to do so here i ask:
we have released today the first version of a Sindice Sparql query editor.
SparQLed is data and context driven and we believe it could be a
notable step forward in usability of SPARQL and RDF in general
.. if .. we develop it further to "its full potential".
As you know any23 is a donation of the Sindice project too and i have
been overwhelmed with the results.
I mean.. it makes so much sense to develop this collaboratively.
so here i ask to kindly take a look at sparqled and.. we look forward
on feedback on how to make it a great community just like any23.
e.g. would you be interested in committing given an appropriate apache licence?
thanks in advance for any feedback.
Gio
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 01/07/12 10:09, Simone Tripodi wrote:
...
> Don't know if it is SparQLed related, but years ago Michele and I,
> with the great help of Jürgen Pfundt, developed an ANTLR SparQL
> grammar[4] which is 100% compliant with sparql specification.
Looks like it is tracking SPARQL 1.1, query and update, as well which is
great. There is going to be a third last call with a few grammar
changes "soon".
There is also a javacc grammar, which is used to generate the spec text
- that's used in the Apache-hosted sparql.org and it's SPARQL validator.
Andy
>
> HTH, have a nice weekend,
> -Simo
>
> [1] http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html
> [3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/lists.html
> [4] http://code.google.com/p/sparkle-g/
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
> http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
> http://www.99soft.org/
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Good morning Giovanni,
we have IMHO two options:
* IF SparQLed is an Any23-related technology, Sindice can donate it
simply by submitting a SoftwareGrant[1] then we'll import the codebase
in Any23 repo as sub-project/component
otherwise (maybe more appropriate)
* the best place to setup a new community - and bring new original
committers - is making a new proposal[2] and discuss (then submit) it
to the Incubator general@ mailing list[3], like we did at the Any23
early days.
Don't know if it is SparQLed related, but years ago Michele and I,
with the great help of Jürgen Pfundt, developed an ANTLR SparQL
grammar[4] which is 100% compliant with sparql specification.
HTH, have a nice weekend,
-Simo
[1] http://www.apache.org/licenses/software-grant.txt
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html
[3] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/lists.html
[4] http://code.google.com/p/sparkle-g/
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://simonetripodi.livejournal.com/
http://twitter.com/simonetripodi
http://www.99soft.org/
On Sat, Jun 30, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Giovanni Tummarello
<gi...@deri.org> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> my apologizes if this isnt maybe the right venue, but i think you guys
> are a great group to give me suggestions on what to do so here i ask:
>
> we have released today the first version of a Sindice Sparql query editor.
>
> SparQLed is data and context driven and we believe it could be a
> notable step forward in usability of SPARQL and RDF in general
>
> .. if .. we develop it further to "its full potential".
>
> As you know any23 is a donation of the Sindice project too and i have
> been overwhelmed with the results.
> I mean.. it makes so much sense to develop this collaboratively.
>
> so here i ask to kindly take a look at sparqled and.. we look forward
> on feedback on how to make it a great community just like any23.
>
> e.g. would you be interested in committing given an appropriate apache licence?
>
> thanks in advance for any feedback.
>
> Gio
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Giovanni Tummarello <
giovanni.tummarello@deri.org> wrote:
> Hi Reto :) want to drive? i could even sponsor you somehow (we should
> be able tofind a way)
> you get fame, money and all
>
Sounds good :) I would be happy to share (the fame), who's with me for
something like this:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ZhuguProposal
If the SparqlEd code (or relevant parts of it) can be donated as described
I would like to broaden the discussion with the Stanbol, Jena and Clerezza
communities.
Cheers,
Reto
> Gio
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > There are a couple of activities for client side linked data applications
> > (vie, create.js, rdfquery), I think it would be great to have an apache
> > community building backend independent rdf aware client. With the
> > maven-javascript-plugin and maven central the application can very easily
> > be integrated in the different Apache Semantic Web Applications. A
> > decoupled SparQLed client could be the basis of such a project.
> >
> > Reto
> >
> > On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Giovanni,
> >>
> >> The issue isn't so much which project but establishing a community
> around
> >> the codebase; after that it's just "details" and that isn't dependent on
> >> being an Apache project, sub-project or in incubation first.
> >>
> >> So do email Jena as a means to the end of getting some people involved
> in
> >> in interested sparqled - the Jena user list is probably the better
> place
> >> as you reach more people.
> >>
> >> Andy
> >>
> >>
> >> On 01/07/12 23:48, Giovanni Tummarello wrote:
> >>
> >>> thanks Andy for these comments. The thing about AGPL3 queries, wow
> >>> never thought of that :)
> >>>
> >>> we'll clarify these aspects for the next version.
> >>>
> >>> WRT to making it into an apache project, well most definitely i dont
> >>> see it as sufficiently related to any23 to make it part of it.
> >>>
> >>> This could be much moreof interest to Apache Jena? maybe i should ask
> >>> on that list?
> >>>
> >>> i feel such a newbie at successfully getting a project our as
> opensource.
> >>> :)
> >>> i mean we have released several things before, but this one i really
> >>> care for it to be picked up.
> >>> Gio
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Giovanni,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> IANAL but one comment on SparQLed - you should probably state what
> the
> >>>>> license situation for any generated query in the same way that parser
> >>>>> generators or compilers do. They usually say "the output is not
> >>>>> licensed". I think that unless you do this, the output of the
> editor is
> >>>>> under the license of editor itself, which is currently AGPL3.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Other than that, I agree with Simone. If there is connection to
> Any23,
> >>>>> then the project can accept a software grant; if there isn't a
> separate
> >>>>> incubator proposal is cleaner.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You've said you are going to license under the Apache license - you
> >>>>> don't need to submit to Apache to do that. You can use the license
> now
> >>>>> - the details are given in the appendix to the ASL 2.0 license.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Andy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Giovanni,
> >>>>
> >>>> I took a quick look at the github, and saw a JeniT tweet.
> >>>>
> >>>> I see that "This software contains code from the Flint SPARQL Editor
> >>>> project. " (IIRC that is an MIT license).
> >>>>
> >>>> Other bits say: "This software is copyright Aduna" which is 3-cluase
> >>>> BSD-type.
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, "works supported by the European FP7 project LOD2 (257943)." --
> >>>> presumably DERI have copyright but is it exclusive to DERI?
> >>>>
> >>>> Whichever route is taken, this will need to be clarified and it's
> easier
> >>>> sooner rather than later.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't immediately see any blockers. The third party copyright
> involved
> >>>> needs handling correctly but the two I see are "Category A", and an
> >>>> Apache
> >>>> project can include source code with the necessary text in NOTICE and
> >>>> LICENSE files.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andy
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
> >>
>
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Giovanni Tummarello <gi...@deri.org>.
Hi Reto :) want to drive? i could even sponsor you somehow (we should
be able tofind a way)
you get fame, money and all
Gio
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> There are a couple of activities for client side linked data applications
> (vie, create.js, rdfquery), I think it would be great to have an apache
> community building backend independent rdf aware client. With the
> maven-javascript-plugin and maven central the application can very easily
> be integrated in the different Apache Semantic Web Applications. A
> decoupled SparQLed client could be the basis of such a project.
>
> Reto
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Giovanni,
>>
>> The issue isn't so much which project but establishing a community around
>> the codebase; after that it's just "details" and that isn't dependent on
>> being an Apache project, sub-project or in incubation first.
>>
>> So do email Jena as a means to the end of getting some people involved in
>> in interested sparqled - the Jena user list is probably the better place
>> as you reach more people.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On 01/07/12 23:48, Giovanni Tummarello wrote:
>>
>>> thanks Andy for these comments. The thing about AGPL3 queries, wow
>>> never thought of that :)
>>>
>>> we'll clarify these aspects for the next version.
>>>
>>> WRT to making it into an apache project, well most definitely i dont
>>> see it as sufficiently related to any23 to make it part of it.
>>>
>>> This could be much moreof interest to Apache Jena? maybe i should ask
>>> on that list?
>>>
>>> i feel such a newbie at successfully getting a project our as opensource.
>>> :)
>>> i mean we have released several things before, but this one i really
>>> care for it to be picked up.
>>> Gio
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Giovanni,
>>>>>
>>>>> IANAL but one comment on SparQLed - you should probably state what the
>>>>> license situation for any generated query in the same way that parser
>>>>> generators or compilers do. They usually say "the output is not
>>>>> licensed". I think that unless you do this, the output of the editor is
>>>>> under the license of editor itself, which is currently AGPL3.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than that, I agree with Simone. If there is connection to Any23,
>>>>> then the project can accept a software grant; if there isn't a separate
>>>>> incubator proposal is cleaner.
>>>>>
>>>>> You've said you are going to license under the Apache license - you
>>>>> don't need to submit to Apache to do that. You can use the license now
>>>>> - the details are given in the appendix to the ASL 2.0 license.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Giovanni,
>>>>
>>>> I took a quick look at the github, and saw a JeniT tweet.
>>>>
>>>> I see that "This software contains code from the Flint SPARQL Editor
>>>> project. " (IIRC that is an MIT license).
>>>>
>>>> Other bits say: "This software is copyright Aduna" which is 3-cluase
>>>> BSD-type.
>>>>
>>>> Also, "works supported by the European FP7 project LOD2 (257943)." --
>>>> presumably DERI have copyright but is it exclusive to DERI?
>>>>
>>>> Whichever route is taken, this will need to be clarified and it's easier
>>>> sooner rather than later.
>>>>
>>>> I don't immediately see any blockers. The third party copyright involved
>>>> needs handling correctly but the two I see are "Category A", and an
>>>> Apache
>>>> project can include source code with the necessary text in NOTICE and
>>>> LICENSE files.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Reto Bachmann-Gmür <re...@apache.org>.
There are a couple of activities for client side linked data applications
(vie, create.js, rdfquery), I think it would be great to have an apache
community building backend independent rdf aware client. With the
maven-javascript-plugin and maven central the application can very easily
be integrated in the different Apache Semantic Web Applications. A
decoupled SparQLed client could be the basis of such a project.
Reto
On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> Giovanni,
>
> The issue isn't so much which project but establishing a community around
> the codebase; after that it's just "details" and that isn't dependent on
> being an Apache project, sub-project or in incubation first.
>
> So do email Jena as a means to the end of getting some people involved in
> in interested sparqled - the Jena user list is probably the better place
> as you reach more people.
>
> Andy
>
>
> On 01/07/12 23:48, Giovanni Tummarello wrote:
>
>> thanks Andy for these comments. The thing about AGPL3 queries, wow
>> never thought of that :)
>>
>> we'll clarify these aspects for the next version.
>>
>> WRT to making it into an apache project, well most definitely i dont
>> see it as sufficiently related to any23 to make it part of it.
>>
>> This could be much moreof interest to Apache Jena? maybe i should ask
>> on that list?
>>
>> i feel such a newbie at successfully getting a project our as opensource.
>> :)
>> i mean we have released several things before, but this one i really
>> care for it to be picked up.
>> Gio
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Giovanni,
>>>>
>>>> IANAL but one comment on SparQLed - you should probably state what the
>>>> license situation for any generated query in the same way that parser
>>>> generators or compilers do. They usually say "the output is not
>>>> licensed". I think that unless you do this, the output of the editor is
>>>> under the license of editor itself, which is currently AGPL3.
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, I agree with Simone. If there is connection to Any23,
>>>> then the project can accept a software grant; if there isn't a separate
>>>> incubator proposal is cleaner.
>>>>
>>>> You've said you are going to license under the Apache license - you
>>>> don't need to submit to Apache to do that. You can use the license now
>>>> - the details are given in the appendix to the ASL 2.0 license.
>>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Giovanni,
>>>
>>> I took a quick look at the github, and saw a JeniT tweet.
>>>
>>> I see that "This software contains code from the Flint SPARQL Editor
>>> project. " (IIRC that is an MIT license).
>>>
>>> Other bits say: "This software is copyright Aduna" which is 3-cluase
>>> BSD-type.
>>>
>>> Also, "works supported by the European FP7 project LOD2 (257943)." --
>>> presumably DERI have copyright but is it exclusive to DERI?
>>>
>>> Whichever route is taken, this will need to be clarified and it's easier
>>> sooner rather than later.
>>>
>>> I don't immediately see any blockers. The third party copyright involved
>>> needs handling correctly but the two I see are "Category A", and an
>>> Apache
>>> project can include source code with the necessary text in NOTICE and
>>> LICENSE files.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>>
>
>
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
Giovanni,
The issue isn't so much which project but establishing a community
around the codebase; after that it's just "details" and that isn't
dependent on being an Apache project, sub-project or in incubation first.
So do email Jena as a means to the end of getting some people involved
in in interested sparqled - the Jena user list is probably the better
place as you reach more people.
Andy
On 01/07/12 23:48, Giovanni Tummarello wrote:
> thanks Andy for these comments. The thing about AGPL3 queries, wow
> never thought of that :)
>
> we'll clarify these aspects for the next version.
>
> WRT to making it into an apache project, well most definitely i dont
> see it as sufficiently related to any23 to make it part of it.
>
> This could be much moreof interest to Apache Jena? maybe i should ask
> on that list?
>
> i feel such a newbie at successfully getting a project our as opensource. :)
> i mean we have released several things before, but this one i really
> care for it to be picked up.
> Gio
>
> On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Giovanni,
>>>
>>> IANAL but one comment on SparQLed - you should probably state what the
>>> license situation for any generated query in the same way that parser
>>> generators or compilers do. They usually say "the output is not
>>> licensed". I think that unless you do this, the output of the editor is
>>> under the license of editor itself, which is currently AGPL3.
>>>
>>> Other than that, I agree with Simone. If there is connection to Any23,
>>> then the project can accept a software grant; if there isn't a separate
>>> incubator proposal is cleaner.
>>>
>>> You've said you are going to license under the Apache license - you
>>> don't need to submit to Apache to do that. You can use the license now
>>> - the details are given in the appendix to the ASL 2.0 license.
>>>
>>> Andy
>>>
>>
>>
>> Giovanni,
>>
>> I took a quick look at the github, and saw a JeniT tweet.
>>
>> I see that "This software contains code from the Flint SPARQL Editor
>> project. " (IIRC that is an MIT license).
>>
>> Other bits say: "This software is copyright Aduna" which is 3-cluase
>> BSD-type.
>>
>> Also, "works supported by the European FP7 project LOD2 (257943)." --
>> presumably DERI have copyright but is it exclusive to DERI?
>>
>> Whichever route is taken, this will need to be clarified and it's easier
>> sooner rather than later.
>>
>> I don't immediately see any blockers. The third party copyright involved
>> needs handling correctly but the two I see are "Category A", and an Apache
>> project can include source code with the necessary text in NOTICE and
>> LICENSE files.
>>
>> Andy
>>
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Peter Ansell <an...@gmail.com>.
Hi Giovanni,
You could also email the sesame-developers list to get some discussion
about the sparql parser extensions that are currently being
maintained, as they may be interested in help maintaining the sparql
parser, particularly given the number of changes that the spec has
been going through during the extended sparql-1.1 last call period.
Cheers,
Peter
On 2 July 2012 08:48, Giovanni Tummarello <gi...@deri.org> wrote:
> thanks Andy for these comments. The thing about AGPL3 queries, wow
> never thought of that :)
>
> we'll clarify these aspects for the next version.
>
> WRT to making it into an apache project, well most definitely i dont
> see it as sufficiently related to any23 to make it part of it.
>
> This could be much moreof interest to Apache Jena? maybe i should ask
> on that list?
>
> i feel such a newbie at successfully getting a project our as opensource. :)
> i mean we have released several things before, but this one i really
> care for it to be picked up.
> Gio
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Giovanni Tummarello <gi...@deri.org>.
thanks Andy for these comments. The thing about AGPL3 queries, wow
never thought of that :)
we'll clarify these aspects for the next version.
WRT to making it into an apache project, well most definitely i dont
see it as sufficiently related to any23 to make it part of it.
This could be much moreof interest to Apache Jena? maybe i should ask
on that list?
i feel such a newbie at successfully getting a project our as opensource. :)
i mean we have released several things before, but this one i really
care for it to be picked up.
Gio
On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 6:55 PM, Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Giovanni,
>>
>> IANAL but one comment on SparQLed - you should probably state what the
>> license situation for any generated query in the same way that parser
>> generators or compilers do. They usually say "the output is not
>> licensed". I think that unless you do this, the output of the editor is
>> under the license of editor itself, which is currently AGPL3.
>>
>> Other than that, I agree with Simone. If there is connection to Any23,
>> then the project can accept a software grant; if there isn't a separate
>> incubator proposal is cleaner.
>>
>> You've said you are going to license under the Apache license - you
>> don't need to submit to Apache to do that. You can use the license now
>> - the details are given in the appendix to the ASL 2.0 license.
>>
>> Andy
>>
>
>
> Giovanni,
>
> I took a quick look at the github, and saw a JeniT tweet.
>
> I see that "This software contains code from the Flint SPARQL Editor
> project. " (IIRC that is an MIT license).
>
> Other bits say: "This software is copyright Aduna" which is 3-cluase
> BSD-type.
>
> Also, "works supported by the European FP7 project LOD2 (257943)." --
> presumably DERI have copyright but is it exclusive to DERI?
>
> Whichever route is taken, this will need to be clarified and it's easier
> sooner rather than later.
>
> I don't immediately see any blockers. The third party copyright involved
> needs handling correctly but the two I see are "Category A", and an Apache
> project can include source code with the necessary text in NOTICE and
> LICENSE files.
>
> Andy
>
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
> Giovanni,
>
> IANAL but one comment on SparQLed - you should probably state what the
> license situation for any generated query in the same way that parser
> generators or compilers do. They usually say "the output is not
> licensed". I think that unless you do this, the output of the editor is
> under the license of editor itself, which is currently AGPL3.
>
> Other than that, I agree with Simone. If there is connection to Any23,
> then the project can accept a software grant; if there isn't a separate
> incubator proposal is cleaner.
>
> You've said you are going to license under the Apache license - you
> don't need to submit to Apache to do that. You can use the license now
> - the details are given in the appendix to the ASL 2.0 license.
>
> Andy
>
Giovanni,
I took a quick look at the github, and saw a JeniT tweet.
I see that "This software contains code from the Flint SPARQL Editor
project. " (IIRC that is an MIT license).
Other bits say: "This software is copyright Aduna" which is 3-cluase
BSD-type.
Also, "works supported by the European FP7 project LOD2 (257943)." --
presumably DERI have copyright but is it exclusive to DERI?
Whichever route is taken, this will need to be clarified and it's easier
sooner rather than later.
I don't immediately see any blockers. The third party copyright
involved needs handling correctly but the two I see are "Category A",
and an Apache project can include source code with the necessary text in
NOTICE and LICENSE files.
Andy
Re: Assisted SPARQL editor as apache project?
Posted by Andy Seaborne <an...@apache.org>.
On 30/06/12 18:26, Giovanni Tummarello wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> my apologizes if this isnt maybe the right venue, but i think you guys
> are a great group to give me suggestions on what to do so here i ask:
>
> we have released today the first version of a Sindice Sparql query editor.
>
> SparQLed is data and context driven and we believe it could be a
> notable step forward in usability of SPARQL and RDF in general
>
> .. if .. we develop it further to "its full potential".
>
> As you know any23 is a donation of the Sindice project too and i have
> been overwhelmed with the results.
> I mean.. it makes so much sense to develop this collaboratively.
>
> so here i ask to kindly take a look at sparqled and.. we look forward
> on feedback on how to make it a great community just like any23.
>
> e.g. would you be interested in committing given an appropriate apache licence?
>
> thanks in advance for any feedback.
>
> Gio
>
Giovanni,
IANAL but one comment on SparQLed - you should probably state what the
license situation for any generated query in the same way that parser
generators or compilers do. They usually say "the output is not
licensed". I think that unless you do this, the output of the editor is
under the license of editor itself, which is currently AGPL3.
Other than that, I agree with Simone. If there is connection to Any23,
then the project can accept a software grant; if there isn't a separate
incubator proposal is cleaner.
You've said you are going to license under the Apache license - you
don't need to submit to Apache to do that. You can use the license now
- the details are given in the appendix to the ASL 2.0 license.
Andy