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Posted to women@apache.org by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@apache.org> on 2006/07/23 23:33:01 UTC
Re: become a full project?
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 16:50:06 -0400, Shane Curcuru wrote:
> Personally I don't see women@ becoming a TLP [1] - not having software
> deliverables, indeed! Also, public participation here (which in some
> ways is an important measure of community health at the ASF) doesn't
> feel high enough to support that much process.
...
> Getting an ASF wiki springs to mind; easy to setup and administer. The
> only real issue is ensuring proper oversight. The ASF has a
> responsibility to ensure some formal group is keeping an eye on public
> pages and software we produce - would sending wikidiffs [2] to women@
> qualify as appropriate oversight, or would women@ need to get one of the
> existing PMCs to provide oversight? (If so, approaching PRC [3] is one
> potential idea).
A wiki has been set up (thanks, Noirin!) and folks may have noticed
wikidiffs going to this list.
I think it would valuable for women@ to be under a tlp, and the PRC
seems ideal to me.
Do people agree? disagree?
If I hear no disagreement, I'll email prc@a.o.
-jean
> - Shane
>
> [1] Top Level Project
> [2] wikidiffs: whenever a wiki page is changed, email is sent to <some
> mailing list>. That way, people reading the list can know if the wiki
> content is appropriate, or is being spammed, etc.
> [3] Public Relations Committee - PR, Press, Fundraising, etc. activities
> at the ASF - see prc@
>
>
>
Re: become a full project?
Posted by Noirin Plunkett <no...@apache.org>.
On Sun, Jul 23, 2006 at 08:26:19PM -0700, Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
> Here are a few more details to provide discussion points... I'm
> interested in pursuing this for the following reasons:
>
> 1) women@ needs a stable web site with content controlled by committers
> who are granted karma to a women svn repo. Others, including other
> Apache committers, are welcome to submit patches, which would be
> committed after review.
Definitely +1
> 2) The wiki is good to have, but it should be a secondary source of
> information, not the primary.
Also +1
> 3) women@ needs a private list to ensure that any sensitive issues have
> a place to be handled.
+1 in theory. However, I'm not quite clear on how issues /can/ be
handled, or what can be done about them.
> Every project needs volunteers who commit to manage it:
>
> I'll volunteer. Who else would like to volunteer?
>
Count me in
Noirin
Re: become a full project?
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@apache.org>.
Justin Erenkrantz wrote:
> On 7/23/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>> The PRC is actually not a TLP, but a board subcommittee tasked with
>> management of the PR issues for the foundation.
>
> Agreed. (It's a 'Board Committee', but same thing.)
I know. I wrote it that way first, but then got enchanted in the
literary sense with the parallel of a subcommittee of a subcommittee.
Lost my head there, I suspect :)
geir
Re: become a full project?
Posted by Justin Erenkrantz <ju...@erenkrantz.com>.
On 7/23/06, Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
> The PRC is actually not a TLP, but a board subcommittee tasked with
> management of the PR issues for the foundation.
Agreed. (It's a 'Board Committee', but same thing.)
> I think it would be "mechanically" difficult for a board subcommittee to
> have a subcommittee itself, unless one could make a convincing argument
> that this is a PR function (which I don't believe it is - it's broader
> than that...)
Yes. I think placing women@ under the PRC does a disservice to the
goals of this list: this has much more to do than publicity or
fundraising...
As I have mentioned to Jean over IRC, I think that after identifying
who is interested in participating from this list, the group can
approach the Board about determining the best structure for the group
(be it a Board Committee, President's Committee, or even a PMC). I
wouldn't worry too much about how we structure the group per se right
now - trust that we'll create something that is appropriate and
empowers the group. =)
BTW, hi everyone! (I just subscribed.) -- justin
Re: become a full project?
Posted by Geir Magnusson Jr <ge...@apache.org>.
The PRC is actually not a TLP, but a board subcommittee tasked with
management of the PR issues for the foundation.
I think it would be "mechanically" difficult for a board subcommittee to
have a subcommittee itself, unless one could make a convincing argument
that this is a PR function (which I don't believe it is - it's broader
than that...)
geir
Kathey Marsden wrote:
> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
>> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>> ...
>>
>>
>>> I think it would valuable for women@ to be under a tlp, and the PRC
>>> seems ideal to me.
>>>
>>>
> After a google search I found that this is the Public Relations
> Committee which sounds like a great fit, but I could not find a prc
> website at http://prc.apache.org/ desribing their charter. Is there one?
>
> Kathey
>
>
>
Re: become a full project?
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sa...@yahoo.com>.
Hello Kathey,
The PRC has yet to develop a dedicated site or section
of apache.org that details its charter and processes.
However, there are several team members who are
endeavoring to do so ... as the saying goes, watch
this space.
Cheers,
Sally
--- Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>
> >Jean T. Anderson wrote:
> >...
> >
> >
> >>I think it would valuable for women@ to be under a
> tlp, and the PRC
> >>seems ideal to me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> After a google search I found that this is the
> Public Relations
> Committee which sounds like a great fit, but I could
> not find a prc
> website at http://prc.apache.org/ desribing their
> charter. Is there one?
>
> Kathey
>
>
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Re: become a full project?
Posted by Kathey Marsden <km...@sbcglobal.net>.
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>Jean T. Anderson wrote:
>...
>
>
>>I think it would valuable for women@ to be under a tlp, and the PRC
>>seems ideal to me.
>>
>>
>>
After a google search I found that this is the Public Relations
Committee which sounds like a great fit, but I could not find a prc
website at http://prc.apache.org/ desribing their charter. Is there one?
Kathey
Re: become a full project?
Posted by "Jean T. Anderson" <jt...@bristowhill.com>.
Jean T. Anderson wrote:
...
> I think it would valuable for women@ to be under a tlp, and the PRC
> seems ideal to me.
>
> Do people agree? disagree?
>
> If I hear no disagreement, I'll email prc@a.o.
Here are a few more details to provide discussion points... I'm
interested in pursuing this for the following reasons:
1) women@ needs a stable web site with content controlled by committers
who are granted karma to a women svn repo. Others, including other
Apache committers, are welcome to submit patches, which would be
committed after review.
2) The wiki is good to have, but it should be a secondary source of
information, not the primary.
3) women@ needs a private list to ensure that any sensitive issues have
a place to be handled.
Every project needs volunteers who commit to manage it:
- update the web site
- review and commit patches submitted by others
- respond to questions posted to the list
- vote in more committers to the project
- provide periodic status reports
I'll volunteer. Who else would like to volunteer?
-jean