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Posted to dev@harmony.apache.org by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org> on 2005/06/14 00:38:04 UTC
Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
I took the liberty of throwing together a simple site for Harmony.
http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
I based it on the simple ant + velocity style using simple xdoc
documentation. I chose this because it's *very* simple and
lightweight. We want this to be as accessible as possible to people.
To get it :
svn co http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/harmony/standard/site
and then to build, you need ant installed, (http://ant.apache.org/)
and just type "ant"
The docs are in xdoccs, the result to docs, and that's it. The nav
is defined in xdocs/stylesheets/project.xml
If people don't like this, we'll throw it away and do something else,
but my objective was simple, lightweight, fast and easy to get
started with.
What it needs :
1) We need a small graphic of the style of
http://geronimo.apache.org/images/geronimo-logo.png
but with "Apache Harmony" obviously, and the incubator website above.
2) More content everywhere. I was very skimpy on stuff, just trying
to get it up there, and am happy to take any patches someone wants to
do.
-0-
You may notice that the harmony SVN is now divided into "harmony/
standard" and "harmony/enchanced", the first for "standard" ASF IP
oversight rules and the latter for the still-to-be-worked-out
enhanced rules that we started discussing last week.
I'll put out a note on this later, but the upshot is that we can
start working in harmony/standard w/ our standard ICLA, for things
like the website, docs, and projects people want to start working
on. All of this code will be considered "tainted", but it doesn't
matter for things like the website, and things we want to start
working on can be here as well while we work out the enhanced IP rules.
geir
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Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: JSR277 (Modules)
Posted by J Aaron Farr <ja...@gmail.com>.
On 6/15/05, Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've been wanting this since 1998 when we started the Avalon project...
> if I knew I should have waited 10 years, probably I would have written
> my own language ;-)
Some of it actually materialized in Avalon before its meltdown. That
work (the 'repository' API) is now in DPML's Transit project [1] and
is worth a look.
--
jaaron
[1] http://www.dpml.net/transit/latest/index.html
Re: JSR277 (Modules)
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Jun 15, 2005, at 10:08 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
> On Jun 15, 2005, at 7:58 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>
>>
>> well, "you" because "we" have nobody in the EG yet ;-)
>>
>
> I'm on the EG.
Um, check that. Was pre-coffee, and I thought you meant something else.
I've applied to have the ASF as a member of the EG. let me know if
you are interested in participating. I've already heard from Brett
from Maven, so we'll have more than one project at the ASF interested
in this, which is good.
geir
>
> geir
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>> But yes, versioning support is in the proposal.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> cool, this is very much needed.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> how does this impact service frameworks like OSGi and friends?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> The idea is to learn from OSGi etc to put together something
>>> better (but as compatible as reasonably possible) that can
>>> benefit from
>>> JVM and language support.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> nice.
>>
>> I've been wanting this since 1998 when we started the Avalon
>> project...
>> if I knew I should have waited 10 years, probably I would have
>> written
>> my own language ;-)
>>
>> --
>> Stefano.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: JSR277 (Modules)
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Jun 15, 2005, at 7:58 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
> Doug Lea wrote:
>
>> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>>
>>
>>> do you plan to add support for class versioning?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Wrong question! :-) "do WE plan..." Harmony is an Apache
>> project. Apache is a JCP member, and ought to have a rep
>> on this EG.
>>
>
> well, "you" because "we" have nobody in the EG yet ;-)
I'm on the EG.
geir
>
>
>> But yes, versioning support is in the proposal.
>>
>
> cool, this is very much needed.
>
>
>>> how does this impact service frameworks like OSGi and friends?
>>>
>>
>> The idea is to learn from OSGi etc to put together something
>> better (but as compatible as reasonably possible) that can benefit
>> from
>> JVM and language support.
>>
>
> nice.
>
> I've been wanting this since 1998 when we started the Avalon
> project...
> if I knew I should have waited 10 years, probably I would have written
> my own language ;-)
>
> --
> Stefano.
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: JSR277 (Modules)
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Doug Lea wrote:
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>> do you plan to add support for class versioning?
>
>
> Wrong question! :-) "do WE plan..." Harmony is an Apache
> project. Apache is a JCP member, and ought to have a rep
> on this EG.
well, "you" because "we" have nobody in the EG yet ;-)
> But yes, versioning support is in the proposal.
cool, this is very much needed.
>> how does this impact service frameworks like OSGi and friends?
>
> The idea is to learn from OSGi etc to put together something
> better (but as compatible as reasonably possible) that can benefit from
> JVM and language support.
nice.
I've been wanting this since 1998 when we started the Avalon project...
if I knew I should have waited 10 years, probably I would have written
my own language ;-)
--
Stefano.
Re: JSR277 (Modules)
Posted by Doug Lea <dl...@cs.oswego.edu>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>
> do you plan to add support for class versioning?
Wrong question! :-) "do WE plan..." Harmony is an Apache
project. Apache is a JCP member, and ought to have a rep
on this EG.
But yes, versioning support is in the proposal.
>
> how does this impact service frameworks like OSGi and friends?
>
The idea is to learn from OSGi etc to put together something
better (but as compatible as reasonably possible) that can benefit from
JVM and language support.
-Doug
Re: JSR277 (Modules and the OSGi)
Posted by "Richard S. Hall" <he...@ungoverned.org>.
Enrico Migliore wrote:
> All new releases of the OSGi framework are, by design, back
> compatible with
> the previous versions. Therefore, as far as the OSGi framework is
> concerned,
> the adoption or not of the JSR277 by Sun will be a problem of the
> OSGi consortium.
Well, it could be somewhat of a problem if Sun defines something that is
in some way intrinsically incompatible with OSGi or, perhaps worse, just
defines the same thing but does it differently. In either case, two
incompatible module systems for Java will exist and will compete with
each other.
If JSR 277 is built into Java 7, well, I would assume that it will be
the one that gets used...certainly by any future Harmony.
Of course, some projects like Eclipse, might feel a little irked after
adopting OSGi as a module system, since there was no alternative and
OSGi already exists and works.
Regardless, it is too early to know how this will all play out.
-> richard
Re: JSR277 (Modules and the OSGi)
Posted by Enrico Migliore <en...@fatti.com>.
Richard S. Hall wrote:
> Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>
>> do you plan to add support for class versioning?
>>
>> how does this impact service frameworks like OSGi and friends?
>>
>>
>
> That is a good question. So far, the JSR does not comment on OSGi R4,
> which basically addresses all of the issues raised. Perhaps it is not
> mentioned because it is not publicly released yet, but Sun is a member
> of OSGi, so they know what is coming.
>
> It is a very interesting development to say the least.
>
> -> richard
>
>
Hi,
All new releases of the OSGi framework are, by design, back
compatible with
the previous versions. Therefore, as far as the OSGi framework is
concerned,
the adoption or not of the JSR277 by Sun will be a problem of the
OSGi consortium.
Enrico
Re: JSR277 (Modules)
Posted by "Richard S. Hall" <he...@ungoverned.org>.
Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
>do you plan to add support for class versioning?
>
>how does this impact service frameworks like OSGi and friends?
>
>
That is a good question. So far, the JSR does not comment on OSGi R4,
which basically addresses all of the issues raised. Perhaps it is not
mentioned because it is not publicly released yet, but Sun is a member
of OSGi, so they know what is coming.
It is a very interesting development to say the least.
-> richard
Re: JSR277 (Modules)
Posted by Stefano Mazzocchi <st...@apache.org>.
Doug Lea wrote:
> The module system JSR was just posted on JCP
> http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=277
>
> This is targeted for J2SE7.
>
> At least someone working on Harmony should be involved.
>
> The JSR proposal doesn't get into mechanics or
> the solution space much, but notice the line:
>
> We also expect the Java Module System to expose the public J2SE APIs
> as a virtual module in order to prevent unwanted usage of the private
> APIs in the implementation.
>
> which will by necessity entail new VM support (and, I strongly
> suspect, some syntactic language support.)
do you plan to add support for class versioning?
how does this impact service frameworks like OSGi and friends?
--
Stefano.
JSR277 (Modules)
Posted by Doug Lea <dl...@cs.oswego.edu>.
The module system JSR was just posted on JCP
http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=277
This is targeted for J2SE7.
At least someone working on Harmony should be involved.
The JSR proposal doesn't get into mechanics or
the solution space much, but notice the line:
We also expect the Java Module System to expose the public J2SE APIs
as a virtual module in order to prevent unwanted usage of the private
APIs in the implementation.
which will by necessity entail new VM support (and, I strongly
suspect, some syntactic language support.)
-Doug
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by Ahmed Saad <my...@gmail.com>.
isn't JIRA enough?
On 6/17/05, Mark Wielaard <ma...@klomp.org> wrote:
>
>
> We have bugzilla for Harmony now (thanks dims):
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Harmony
>
>
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
Why? It's like banging rocks together compared to JIRA....
On Jun 18, 2005, at 4:27 PM, Davanum Srinivas wrote:
> Can we please keep the bugzilla one?
>
> thanks,
> dims
>
> On 6/18/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:18 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Would you mind submitting the harmony logo, and the incubator
>>>> logo in
>>>> JIRA so we can use them?
>>>>
>>>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY
>>>>
>>>> (It's down at the moment, but will be working soon...)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> We have bugzilla for Harmony now (thanks dims):
>>> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Harmony
>>>
>>
>> We don't need both.
>>
>> geir
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
>> geirm@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Davanum Srinivas -http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by Davanum Srinivas <da...@gmail.com>.
Can we please keep the bugzilla one?
thanks,
dims
On 6/18/05, Geir Magnusson Jr. <ge...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Jun 17, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:18 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> >
> >> Would you mind submitting the harmony logo, and the incubator logo in
> >> JIRA so we can use them?
> >>
> >> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY
> >>
> >> (It's down at the moment, but will be working soon...)
> >>
> >
> > We have bugzilla for Harmony now (thanks dims):
> > http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Harmony
>
> We don't need both.
>
> geir
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Mark
> >
>
> --
> Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
> geirm@apache.org
>
>
>
--
Davanum Srinivas -http://blogs.cocoondev.org/dims/
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Jun 17, 2005, at 11:45 AM, Mark Wielaard wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:18 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
>
>> Would you mind submitting the harmony logo, and the incubator logo in
>> JIRA so we can use them?
>>
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY
>>
>> (It's down at the moment, but will be working soon...)
>>
>
> We have bugzilla for Harmony now (thanks dims):
> http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Harmony
We don't need both.
geir
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by Mark Wielaard <ma...@klomp.org>.
On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 10:18 -0400, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Would you mind submitting the harmony logo, and the incubator logo in
> JIRA so we can use them?
>
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY
>
> (It's down at the moment, but will be working soon...)
We have bugzilla for Harmony now (thanks dims):
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Harmony
Cheers,
Mark
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by theUser BL <th...@hotmail.com>.
>I'll help you through it. Because the image is your creation, I'd like to
>see you submit as a contribution via JIRA.
Thanks for it. :-)
I will doing it later.
I have already tried it out now. But on this computer I have not the right
to save my images on disk. So that I can not load it on JIRA up now.
But I will doing it later.
Thanks again for your describtion.
Greatings
theuserbl
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
On Jun 18, 2005, at 12:34 PM, theUser BL wrote:
>> Would you mind submitting the harmony logo, and the incubator logo
>> in JIRA so we can use them?
>>
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY
>>
>
>
> Hmmm... I have me now registered there. But I don't know, how to do
> it.
> Do you mean to write a comment there like "uploading these
> images: ..." or what?
>
> I have no expereince with it. Neither with Jira nor with Bugzilla.
>
> So I would be happy, if anybody other would doing it.
I'll help you through it. Because the image is your creation, I'd
like to see you submit as a contribution via JIRA.
1) Go to the JIRA
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY
2) Log in
3) Click on "Create New Issue"
4) Make sure Project is "Harmony and choose issue type
"Improvement". Click "Next"
5) Put in summary : "Contribution of image for website" or something
like that. skip the rest and add a description if you want
6) Click "Create" at the bottom. That will create the issue.
7) Then, when the page redraws, click "Attach file" (under
Operations on the left side...)
8) Click "Choose file" to find the file and then choose one of the
two options for attachment. Adda comment if you wish and then click
"Attach"
That's all!
Thanks!
geir
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by theUser BL <th...@hotmail.com>.
>Would you mind submitting the harmony logo, and the incubator logo in JIRA
>so we can use them?
>
>http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY
Hmmm... I have me now registered there. But I don't know, how to do it.
Do you mean to write a comment there like "uploading these images: ..." or
what?
I have no expereince with it. Neither with Jira nor with Bugzilla.
So I would be happy, if anybody other would doing it.
Greatings
theuserbl
Re: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by "Geir Magnusson Jr." <ge...@apache.org>.
Hey, this is really great!
Would you mind submitting the harmony logo, and the incubator logo in
JIRA so we can use them?
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/HARMONY
(It's down at the moment, but will be working soon...)
Thanks!
geir
On Jun 16, 2005, at 4:01 PM, theUser BL wrote:
>> What it needs :
>>
>> 1) We need a small graphic of the style of
>>
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/images/geronimo-logo.png
>>
>> but with "Apache Harmony" obviously, and the incubator website above.
>>
>
> Have now created it.
> Have a look at http://www.theuserbl.ag.vu/hpics.html
>
> But what do you mean with "small"? The width of all logos are
> considerable.
> If you want smaller one, I can create in any time some. But at the
> moment I have mostly payed attention, that it looks like the
> geronimo logo.
>
>
> Greatings
> theuserbl
>
>
>
--
Geir Magnusson Jr +1-203-665-6437
geirm@apache.org
RE: Harmony site now up http://incubator.apache.org/harmony/
Posted by theUser BL <th...@hotmail.com>.
>What it needs :
>
>1) We need a small graphic of the style of
>
> http://geronimo.apache.org/images/geronimo-logo.png
>
>but with "Apache Harmony" obviously, and the incubator website above.
Have now created it.
Have a look at http://www.theuserbl.ag.vu/hpics.html
But what do you mean with "small"? The width of all logos are considerable.
If you want smaller one, I can create in any time some. But at the moment I
have mostly payed attention, that it looks like the geronimo logo.
Greatings
theuserbl