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draft proposal for Caitrin
I have started writing the draft of the proposal for Caitrin which is
the photo gallery software I had mentioned a few weeks ago. As I was
writing the proposal it has become more clear to me that what I have
is code and not a community, although I believe a community can be
built around the project. There was also a mention on the Roller
mailing list a while ago with a suggestion to add this functionality
into Roller. However, I think that this type of application has
merit to stand on its own because it can be used so many places.
Should I continue down the road of writing the proposal, knowing I
have no community to offer, just code or should I join the Roller
community, contribute the code there and then try to spin off a
larger project later? I'd really appreciate some feedback from the
incubator community on this. The Caitrin proposal it at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/CaitrinProposal
Thanks,
Angie
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RE: draft proposal for Caitrin (Photo Gallery Software)
Posted by Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org>.
+1
I am completely willing to toss my code aside as things start moving
along (or even before). As for the name, I needed a name and found
one. But, Noel had a good idea for a different name. Still working
with it but I like it. :-)
Angie
At 10:21 PM 5/20/2008, you wrote:
>Luciano Resende wrote:
>
> > Wearing my more ametur photographer heat, I have interest on this
> > project, and would like to contribute to it.
>
>Cool. :-)
>
> > I've been planning to do a simple photo gallery application that would
> > demo the Tuscany/SCA Web 2.0 capabilities
>
>What do you have in mind? Angie is interested in the problem domain, not
>her current code or proposed name. I also have photo gallery code in
>production use that I'm willing to donate *and* toss aside as things evolve
>and/or synergize.
>
> --- Noel
>
>
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RE: draft proposal for Caitrin (Photo Gallery Software)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Luciano Resende wrote:
> Wearing my more ametur photographer heat, I have interest on this
> project, and would like to contribute to it.
Cool. :-)
> I've been planning to do a simple photo gallery application that would
> demo the Tuscany/SCA Web 2.0 capabilities
What do you have in mind? Angie is interested in the problem domain, not
her current code or proposed name. I also have photo gallery code in
production use that I'm willing to donate *and* toss aside as things evolve
and/or synergize.
--- Noel
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Re: draft proposal for Caitrin (Photo Gallery Software)
Posted by Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org>.
Luciano,
I would welcome the help and the interest is great. As this isn't
currently open source, I don't have a mail list to direct you
to. However, feel free to chime in on the Caitrin proposal on the
incubator wiki with additional features you would like to see. If
there are more people interested in contributing, I may set up a list
so that discussions don't get started too much on the general list.
Angie
At 01:04 PM 5/19/2008, you wrote:
>Wearing my more ametur photographer heat, I have interest on this
>project, and would like to contribute to it. In the past couple weeks,
>I've been planning to do a simple photo gallery application that would
>demo the Tuscany/SCA Web 2.0 capabilities, but looks like I could
>apply some of my ideas to Caitrin as well.
>
>On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Angela Cymbalak
><a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
> > Noel,
> >
> > Would you be willing to Champion the proposal? There is interest at Roller
> > to write a plugin for the software and I am working on writing the proposal
> > for that as well. I think that this software is best as its own project
> > though because it could get very big.
> >
> > Angie
> >
> > At 08:59 AM 5/19/2008, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> >>
> >> Roland Weber wrote:
> >>
> >> > I doubt that a podling without three committers would even be accepted.
> >>
> >> Sure it would, were there interest. And a photo gallery does happen to
> >> have
> >> my own interest, as I have written software for the same problem domain,
> >> as
> >> well as being an avid nature photographer and past President of the
> >> Carolinas Nature Photographers Association (www.cnpa.org).
> >>
> >> Any other photographers out there?
> >>
> >> --- Noel
> >>
> >>
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Re: draft proposal for Caitrin (Photo Gallery Software)
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
Wearing my more ametur photographer heat, I have interest on this
project, and would like to contribute to it. In the past couple weeks,
I've been planning to do a simple photo gallery application that would
demo the Tuscany/SCA Web 2.0 capabilities, but looks like I could
apply some of my ideas to Caitrin as well.
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 8:18 AM, Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org> wrote:
> Noel,
>
> Would you be willing to Champion the proposal? There is interest at Roller
> to write a plugin for the software and I am working on writing the proposal
> for that as well. I think that this software is best as its own project
> though because it could get very big.
>
> Angie
>
> At 08:59 AM 5/19/2008, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>>
>> Roland Weber wrote:
>>
>> > I doubt that a podling without three committers would even be accepted.
>>
>> Sure it would, were there interest. And a photo gallery does happen to
>> have
>> my own interest, as I have written software for the same problem domain,
>> as
>> well as being an avid nature photographer and past President of the
>> Carolinas Nature Photographers Association (www.cnpa.org).
>>
>> Any other photographers out there?
>>
>> --- Noel
>>
>>
>>
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RE: draft proposal for Caitrin (Photo Gallery Software)
Posted by Angela Cymbalak <a....@nechtan.org>.
Noel,
Would you be willing to Champion the proposal? There is interest at
Roller to write a plugin for the software and I am working on writing
the proposal for that as well. I think that this software is best as
its own project though because it could get very big.
Angie
At 08:59 AM 5/19/2008, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>Roland Weber wrote:
>
> > I doubt that a podling without three committers would even be accepted.
>
>Sure it would, were there interest. And a photo gallery does happen to have
>my own interest, as I have written software for the same problem domain, as
>well as being an avid nature photographer and past President of the
>Carolinas Nature Photographers Association (www.cnpa.org).
>
>Any other photographers out there?
>
> --- Noel
>
>
>
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Re: Single committer podlings (was Re: draft proposal for Caitrin)
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Noel J. Bergman <no...@devtech.com> wrote:
> Roland Weber wrote:
>> Fair enough. The Proposal Guide says "Apache is interested
>> only in communities." but that is not policy.
>
> The Incubator exists to build communities. :-)
guides offer guidance not policy
- robert
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re: Single committer podlings (was Re: draft proposal for Caitrin)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Roland Weber wrote:
> Fair enough. The Proposal Guide says "Apache is interested
> only in communities." but that is not policy.
The Incubator exists to build communities. :-)
--- Noel
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Re: draft proposal for Caitrin
Posted by Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net>.
Martijn Dashorst wrote:
> On 5/6/08, Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net> wrote:
>> I think the Roller option makes more sense. I doubt that
>> a podling without three committers would even be accepted.
>
> Not true, it is even one of the options on the table when starting a
> new project. Start without any committer, and grow the community
> through meritocracy. Everybody starts anew in this scenario.
Fair enough. The Proposal Guide says "Apache is interested
only in communities." but that is not policy.
> This
> scenario just doesn't work well for established open source projects
> joining the ASF as they typically already have folks with a lot of
> merit in their team.
>
> However, starting without committers is a really hard thing. You have
> to publicize the heck out of it.
And spend a lot of time learning about "The Apache Way".
Getting the podling up to speed is no small task for a
single person, even if mentors help with it.
>> Since there are interested people at Roller, you have a chance
>> to grow the community there.
>
> I think that one of the goals of the incubator is to grow podlings to
> the point that they can manage themselves.
I'm concerned about the starting point from which to grow.
Apache committers have the Labs to get started and attract
a few interested people before coming to the Incubator.
A non-committer coming to the Incubator directly faces a
really steep learning curve.
cheers,
Roland
> If the goal of this podling
> is to become a subproject of roller, then it can join the incubator,
> sponsored by the Roller PMC (if the Roller PMC is willing).
>
> Basically I see three options for becoming part of the ASF for this proposal:
> 1. become part of the Roller community directly (through the usual
> meritocratic process, i.e. help out in the Roller community, provide
> patches, etc) and attract more developers there
> 2. become a sub project of Roller, but grow the community here
> 3. become a top level project, and grow the community here
>
> For 1 you'll need to contact the Roller community and make them
> enthousiastic about your project so they'll accept the code (and
> yourself).
>
> For 2 and 3 you'll need to find a Sponsor and a Champion (the Sponsor
> is the Roller PMC in #2, and the Incubator PMC in #3), the Champion
> can be any Member of the ASF.
>
> Martijn
>
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Re: draft proposal for Caitrin
Posted by Martijn Dashorst <ma...@gmail.com>.
On 5/6/08, Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net> wrote:
> I think the Roller option makes more sense. I doubt that
> a podling without three committers would even be accepted.
Not true, it is even one of the options on the table when starting a
new project. Start without any committer, and grow the community
through meritocracy. Everybody starts anew in this scenario. This
scenario just doesn't work well for established open source projects
joining the ASF as they typically already have folks with a lot of
merit in their team.
However, starting without committers is a really hard thing. You have
to publicize the heck out of it.
> Since there are interested people at Roller, you have a chance
> to grow the community there.
I think that one of the goals of the incubator is to grow podlings to
the point that they can manage themselves. If the goal of this podling
is to become a subproject of roller, then it can join the incubator,
sponsored by the Roller PMC (if the Roller PMC is willing).
Basically I see three options for becoming part of the ASF for this proposal:
1. become part of the Roller community directly (through the usual
meritocratic process, i.e. help out in the Roller community, provide
patches, etc) and attract more developers there
2. become a sub project of Roller, but grow the community here
3. become a top level project, and grow the community here
For 1 you'll need to contact the Roller community and make them
enthousiastic about your project so they'll accept the code (and
yourself).
For 2 and 3 you'll need to find a Sponsor and a Champion (the Sponsor
is the Roller PMC in #2, and the Incubator PMC in #3), the Champion
can be any Member of the ASF.
Martijn
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RE: draft proposal for Caitrin (Photo Gallery Software)
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
Roland Weber wrote:
> I doubt that a podling without three committers would even be accepted.
Sure it would, were there interest. And a photo gallery does happen to have
my own interest, as I have written software for the same problem domain, as
well as being an avid nature photographer and past President of the
Carolinas Nature Photographers Association (www.cnpa.org).
Any other photographers out there?
--- Noel
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Re: draft proposal for Caitrin
Posted by Roland Weber <os...@dubioso.net>.
Hi Angie,
> Should I continue down the road of writing the proposal, knowing I have
> no community to offer, just code or should I join the Roller community,
> contribute the code there and then try to spin off a larger project
> later?
I think the Roller option makes more sense. I doubt that
a podling without three committers would even be accepted.
Since there are interested people at Roller, you have a chance
to grow the community there.
cheers,
Roland
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