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Posted to dev@myfaces.apache.org by Jonas Jacobi <jo...@oracle.com> on 2006/01/30 18:54:01 UTC
{ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
In case you wonder why I have been quite ;)
Today we released Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Studio production release -
you can download it from here with plenty of tutorials and other
goodies. There is also improved doc on ADF Faces.
http://otn.oracle.com/jdev
Thanks,
Jonas
--
*Author*: Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
<http://apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044>
*Blog*: http://www.orablogs.com/jjacobi
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Legolas Woodland <le...@gmail.com>.
Jonas Jacobi wrote:
> In case you wonder why I have been quite ;)
>
> Today we released Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Studio production release -
> you can download it from here with plenty of tutorials and other
> goodies. There is also improved doc on ADF Faces.
>
*Re post*
Hi , it is very good news
I will get the IDE asap , but when i get the EA1 version i find that its
editor is not as smart as Eclipse ones.
is there improvement for Editor ?
*more important item for me is JSF portlets , does Jdeveloper support
developing jsf portlet that are deployable inside JSR-168 portals like
Jetspeed 2 ?*
I will be happy to find answer to second question , right now i use
Creator studio to develop jsf portlet , i like to use ADF faces too .so
if JDEV can develop jsr portlet then i can go with Jdeveloper for next
portlet in this project.
Thank you
> http://otn.oracle.com/jdev
>
> Thanks,
> Jonas
> --
> *Author*: Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
> <http://apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044>
> *Blog*: http://www.orablogs.com/jjacobi
>
>
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Legolas Woodland <le...@gmail.com>.
Jonas Jacobi wrote:
> In case you wonder why I have been quite ;)
>
> Today we released Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Studio production release -
> you can download it from here with plenty of tutorials and other
> goodies. There is also improved doc on ADF Faces.
>
Hi , it is very good news
I will get the IDE asap , but when i get the EA1 version i find that its
editor is not as smart as Eclipse ones.
is there improvement for Editor ?
*more important item for me is JSF portlets , does Jdeveloper support
developing jsf portlet that are deployable inside JSR-168 portals like
Jetspeed 2 ?*
I will be happy to find answer to second question , right now i use
Creator studio to develop jsf portlet , i like to use ADF faces too .so
if JDEV can develop jsr portlet then i can go with Jdeveloper for next
portlet in this project.
Thank you
> http://otn.oracle.com/jdev
>
> Thanks,
> Jonas
> --
> *Author*: Pro JSF and Ajax: Building Rich Internet Components
> <http://apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=10044>
> *Blog*: http://www.orablogs.com/jjacobi
>
>
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Hendrik Neumann <th...@googlemail.com>.
*oopps* okay - now I see it too ;-)
2006/1/31, Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>:
> It's free ;)
>
> regards,
>
> Martin
>
> On 1/31/06, Hendrik Neumann <th...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Are there any kind of student-versions avaible?
> >
> > 2006/1/30, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>:
> > > Jonas Jacobi schrieb:
> > > > In case you wonder why I have been quite ;)
> > > >
> > > > Today we released Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Studio production release -
> > > > you can download it from here with plenty of tutorials and other
> > > > goodies. There is also improved doc on ADF Faces.
> > > >
> > > > http://otn.oracle.com/jdev
> > > >
> > > Whoopie it looks like it is raining tools currently, JDev has been the
> > > second tool I was looking for to become final...
> > > Thanks Jonas for the good news.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Greetings,
> > Hendrik Neumann; Ruhr-University of Bochum
> >
>
>
> --
>
> http://www.irian.at
>
> Your JSF powerhouse -
> JSF Consulting, Development and
> Courses in English and German
>
> Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
>
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Greetings,
Hendrik Neumann; Ruhr-University of Bochum
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
It's free ;)
regards,
Martin
On 1/31/06, Hendrik Neumann <th...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Are there any kind of student-versions avaible?
>
> 2006/1/30, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>:
> > Jonas Jacobi schrieb:
> > > In case you wonder why I have been quite ;)
> > >
> > > Today we released Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Studio production release -
> > > you can download it from here with plenty of tutorials and other
> > > goodies. There is also improved doc on ADF Faces.
> > >
> > > http://otn.oracle.com/jdev
> > >
> > Whoopie it looks like it is raining tools currently, JDev has been the
> > second tool I was looking for to become final...
> > Thanks Jonas for the good news.
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Greetings,
> Hendrik Neumann; Ruhr-University of Bochum
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Hendrik Neumann schrieb:
>> (Btw. just in case anyone is interested, JSC2 also came out recently,
>> and it also is free, both ides are amazing rad like tools, but
>> JDeveloper also has the J2EE backend stuff which JSC doesnt have, while
>> I like the JSC2 JSF part a tad more due to the excellent CSS positioning
>> handling)
>>
> Great - seems to be competition for MyEclipse and Exadel!
>
Ok here we go again status of the current low budget IDEs (Just in case
one needs an extensive summary)
MyEclipse currently is the best low cost bet you can get on the Eclipse
side of the fence.
Excellent: Spring support, you definitely will not see anything close to
what MyEclipse has to offer, you simply drag classes into the
spring-config.xml/applicationContext.xml voila a wizard pops up and you
can fill in the rest. Code preview on the spring xml works, and the
usualy Spring IDE stuff also (which means beans view etc...)
Hibernate support, now very good, with fine grained reverse engineering
where you can adjust the hibernate parameters before the reverse
engineering run on field level.
JSF support, still mediocre compared to the rest of the low cost tools,
but it is getting slowly better (you now can dump managed beans into the
xml, the visual and semi visual editor has been somewhat improved, but
the component palette is somewhat scarce and not extendible.
Application Server support probably the longest of the bunch with
literally any app server you can think of, however not very configurable
in deployment (those who have used it know what I mean, nothing has
changed there)
Case... looks good, argouml port to eclipse with some roundtripping and
sequence diags.
Stability, rock solid with only minor bugs....
Exadel:
They hiked the price 100% I am not sure if it is worth the price
howevery everyone has to decide him/herself.
I gave it a testrun yesterday, the WTP 1.0 makes a difference, it seems
to be finally really usable. It has the best html editor of all low cost
eclipse based offerings, not too much has changed except that it is now
hopefully relatively bugfree (only ran into one serious issue and that
one is wtp based, regression bug with slow deployments on tomcat which
will be fixed by the next wtp version)
Not too much has changed functionalitywise, it looks like a rather
recent version of the Hibernate IDE, Exadels own html/jsp editor,
added support for Shale (which saves a lot of time) added support for
the myfaces sandbox etc...
Nothing big, but since it seems to be usable, one note however, if you
do a heavy tomcat based deployment wait if the next version of the wtp
can be added.
But given the fact that MyEclipse currently is better in every other
area except Struts and JSF, well. I do not know if it is worth it (also
given the fact that JSC2 simply is close to being excellent)
JSC2: Netbeans based, the closest you can get on the Java side for a
Delphi for Webapps, I have not done anything extensive with it yet, but
it looks very good, however given the fact that the sun app server is
configured to 512MB (according to comments on the net) this thing is a
mem monster.
Good things: Real Visual development ala Delphi, good Shale like backend
framework, Excellent query tool (QBE probably the only one you can get
for all dev tools) overall a start and go package with an excellent
viusal editor.
Bad things: This thing is incomplete, you do not have any db admin
tools, you cannod define EJBs, you cannot handle anything webservice
related on the producer side, you only can act as a consumer. This is
one lesson Sun still has to learn (sorry Craig but that is just a
personal opinion, no offence) You have to deliver the full package not
only 80% of it. Delphi back then bundled a db server and admin tools to
do the basic db development and documentation. They got that right
almost 10 years ago, the main customer base for such tools does small to
medium sized apps where the implementor often is the same person
defining the db etc... Those people want an out of the box solution for
all layers not only wanting to act as a data consumer.
But besides that (you can fill the gap with other tools like
MyEclipse,and /or Netbeans5) excellent stuff.
The second really negative issue, no svn support, this is very important
already for many of us here having already moved away from CVS to
greener pastures.
Oracle JDev: I have not tried that extensively, but what struck me:
Full enterprise IDE, even more extensive than MyEclipse in the J2EE
coverage. Case which looked good, EJB2 JSF and EJB3.
That is one thing which struck me, if you need an EJB3 dev tool and
cannot wait until the whole JSR220 dali mess has cleaned up so that the
DALI/JSR220 people finally can deliver full db roundtripping this thing
seems to go a long way towards what is needed. I have not tested it
fully, but defining entity beans etc.. is very easy.
On the JSF side of things, there is a very good visual / semi visul
editor which rivals JSC (but uses a non CSS placement methaphor instead
of going pure CSS)
The supported component set currently is ADF faces and one thing which I
did not particulariy like was the heavy automation between the db layer
and the ADF components (probably due to lack of knowledge of the
underlying codebase)
I do not give any comments, here about JSF ide, Intellij etc... I do not
use them (well Intellij currently to my knowledge is moving their Visual
Fabrique codebase towards J2EE)
That sums it up probably ...
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Hendrik Neumann <th...@googlemail.com>.
> (Btw. just in case anyone is interested, JSC2 also came out recently,
> and it also is free, both ides are amazing rad like tools, but
> JDeveloper also has the J2EE backend stuff which JSC doesnt have, while
> I like the JSC2 JSF part a tad more due to the excellent CSS positioning
> handling)
>
Great - seems to be competition for MyEclipse and Exadel!
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Martin Marinschek <ma...@gmail.com>.
I'd really love to hear some feedback on someone using the ide for a
full-blown JSF project.
With tiles, custom components of MyFaces, etc. enabled ;)
regards,
Martin
On 2/1/06, Hendrik Neumann <th...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> I just played a little bit with both applications and... *wow*... I'm
> very impressed. I think I'll keep MyEclipse as my main-IDE and use
> Java Studio Creator and JDeveloper for the form-design-activities.
>
> 2006/2/1, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>:
> > Nicklas Karlsson schrieb:
> > > > Are there any kind of student-versions avaible?
> > > >
> > > yes, perfectly suited for a students budget, the full version.
> > > It is free...
> > >
> > >
> > > Of course the bad news is that the poor student will feel like he needs
> > > a new computer when he
> > > starts it up for the first time and starts clicking around in the
> > > wizards ;-)
> > Actually I personally think the UI of the oracle tool is quite fast, but
> > I have lots of ram (Which you need for server side dev anyway, due to
> > the juggling between ide, app server, db etc...)
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Greetings,
> Hendrik Neumann; Ruhr-University of Bochum
>
--
http://www.irian.at
Your JSF powerhouse -
JSF Consulting, Development and
Courses in English and German
Professional Support for Apache MyFaces
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Hendrik Neumann <th...@googlemail.com>.
I just played a little bit with both applications and... *wow*... I'm
very impressed. I think I'll keep MyEclipse as my main-IDE and use
Java Studio Creator and JDeveloper for the form-design-activities.
2006/2/1, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>:
> Nicklas Karlsson schrieb:
> > > Are there any kind of student-versions avaible?
> > >
> > yes, perfectly suited for a students budget, the full version.
> > It is free...
> >
> >
> > Of course the bad news is that the poor student will feel like he needs
> > a new computer when he
> > starts it up for the first time and starts clicking around in the
> > wizards ;-)
> Actually I personally think the UI of the oracle tool is quite fast, but
> I have lots of ram (Which you need for server side dev anyway, due to
> the juggling between ide, app server, db etc...)
>
>
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Greetings,
Hendrik Neumann; Ruhr-University of Bochum
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Nicklas Karlsson <ni...@gmail.com>.
>
> Actually I personally think the UI of the oracle tool is quite fast, but
> I have lots of ram (Which you need for server side dev anyway, due to
> the juggling between ide, app server, db etc...)
I think the 2Gb on my T42p should be enough. How much do you need!? ;-)
I mostly use Eclipse so it is hard to beat the responsiveness when testing
another IDE.
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Nicklas Karlsson schrieb:
> > Are there any kind of student-versions avaible?
> >
> yes, perfectly suited for a students budget, the full version.
> It is free...
>
>
> Of course the bad news is that the poor student will feel like he needs
> a new computer when he
> starts it up for the first time and starts clicking around in the
> wizards ;-)
Actually I personally think the UI of the oracle tool is quite fast, but
I have lots of ram (Which you need for server side dev anyway, due to
the juggling between ide, app server, db etc...)
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Nicklas Karlsson <ni...@gmail.com>.
>
> > Are there any kind of student-versions avaible?
> >
> yes, perfectly suited for a students budget, the full version.
> It is free...
>
Of course the bad news is that the poor student will feel like he needs a
new computer when he
starts it up for the first time and starts clicking around in the wizards
;-)
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Hendrik Neumann schrieb:
> Are there any kind of student-versions avaible?
>
yes, perfectly suited for a students budget, the full version.
It is free...
(Btw. just in case anyone is interested, JSC2 also came out recently,
and it also is free, both ides are amazing rad like tools, but
JDeveloper also has the J2EE backend stuff which JSC doesnt have, while
I like the JSC2 JSF part a tad more due to the excellent CSS positioning
handling)
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Hendrik Neumann <th...@googlemail.com>.
Are there any kind of student-versions avaible?
2006/1/30, Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>:
> Jonas Jacobi schrieb:
> > In case you wonder why I have been quite ;)
> >
> > Today we released Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Studio production release -
> > you can download it from here with plenty of tutorials and other
> > goodies. There is also improved doc on ADF Faces.
> >
> > http://otn.oracle.com/jdev
> >
> Whoopie it looks like it is raining tools currently, JDev has been the
> second tool I was looking for to become final...
> Thanks Jonas for the good news.
>
>
--
Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Greetings,
Hendrik Neumann; Ruhr-University of Bochum
Re: {ANN] Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Production Released
Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmx.at>.
Jonas Jacobi schrieb:
> In case you wonder why I have been quite ;)
>
> Today we released Oracle JDeveloper 10.1.3 Studio production release -
> you can download it from here with plenty of tutorials and other
> goodies. There is also improved doc on ADF Faces.
>
> http://otn.oracle.com/jdev
>
Whoopie it looks like it is raining tools currently, JDev has been the
second tool I was looking for to become final...
Thanks Jonas for the good news.