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[PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Hi there,
after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever you prefer.
WDYT ?
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Eric MacAdie <er...@MacAdie.net>.
My web app project uses JSF and Hibernate to manage a James instance
via the database. It can add users, delete users, get stats on how many
messages are waiting to be read, and delete messages in the deadletter
table. It uses the current James schema. I don't know if the schema will
change in James 3. It is intended to be pretty small and usable by the
"retail" user; I am running James on a VPS account. I really don't have
access to large enterprise servers.
If people want to modify it to use the James 3 schema or JMX, that is
fine with me.
http://github.com/emacadie/James-Admin-Web-App
Regards,
Eric MacAdie
On 10/23/2010 10:17 PM, Dhrubo wrote:
> I have written to Eric, who is writing a web admin project on github. I will
> wait for few days to see what he has to say.
>
> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
>>
>> Bye,
>> Norman
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo<dh...@gmail.com>:
>>> No i am trying to contact eric of web admin project on github
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Eric Charles<er...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...of course, if you prefer start from scratch a web management from
>>>> scratch with your favorite mvc framework, go ahead :)
>>>>
>>>> As far as I understand, the goal of HUPA is to provide a web interface
>>>> client-side, not management-side, but I'm not the right person to talk
>> about
>>>> that and may miss some hupa goals.
>>>>
>>>> Extensions to zimbra-like functions are not on the today diary.
>>>>
>>>> Tks,
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23/10/2010 17:12, Dhrubo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Appreciated Eric.
>>>>> I am investigating.
>>>>> Also do not see much into project HUPA?
>>>>> Also I am interested in seeing a Zimbra desktop like tool for James.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eric Charles<er...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Dhrubo,
>>>>>> For doc purposes, I took screenshots of jmanage accessing James' jmx.
>>>>>> This gives basic functionalites, but there is plenty of room to give a
>>>>>> better web application management.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's already an initiative to develop a web management interface
>> (not
>>>>>> via jmx, it was not available at that time).
>>>>>> http://markmail.org/thread/g4soq47nlbmom2ee
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe you can contact that project and see how it can evolve.
>>>>>> (Would be good no to have tons of web management interfaces).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/10/2010 16:49, Dhrubo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can start this from Monday.
>>>>>>> Do you want me to create a JIRA ISSUE?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> from webapp etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bye,
>>>>>>>> Norman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo<dh...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>>>>> Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James
>> post
>>>>>>>>> installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do
>>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> think we should do away with the remote manager.
>>>>>>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for
>> JAMES
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
>>>>>>>>>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
>>>>>>>>>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
>>>>>>>>>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> prefer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WDYT ?
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>.
I have written to Eric, who is writing a web admin project on github. I will
wait for few days to see what he has to say.
Kind Regards... Dhrubo
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
>
> Bye,
> Norman
>
>
> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>:
> > No i am trying to contact eric of web admin project on github
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards... Dhrubo
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Eric Charles <er...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> ...of course, if you prefer start from scratch a web management from
> >> scratch with your favorite mvc framework, go ahead :)
> >>
> >> As far as I understand, the goal of HUPA is to provide a web interface
> >> client-side, not management-side, but I'm not the right person to talk
> about
> >> that and may miss some hupa goals.
> >>
> >> Extensions to zimbra-like functions are not on the today diary.
> >>
> >> Tks,
> >>
> >> Eric
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 23/10/2010 17:12, Dhrubo wrote:
> >>
> >>> Appreciated Eric.
> >>> I am investigating.
> >>> Also do not see much into project HUPA?
> >>> Also I am interested in seeing a Zimbra desktop like tool for James.
> >>>
> >>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eric Charles<er...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Dhrubo,
> >>>>
> >>>> For doc purposes, I took screenshots of jmanage accessing James' jmx.
> >>>> This gives basic functionalites, but there is plenty of room to give a
> >>>> better web application management.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's already an initiative to develop a web management interface
> (not
> >>>> via jmx, it was not available at that time).
> >>>> http://markmail.org/thread/g4soq47nlbmom2ee
> >>>>
> >>>> Maybe you can contact that project and see how it can evolve.
> >>>> (Would be good no to have tons of web management interfaces).
> >>>>
> >>>> Tks,
> >>>>
> >>>> Eric
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 23/10/2010 16:49, Dhrubo wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I can start this from Monday.
> >>>>> Do you want me to create a JIRA ISSUE?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> from webapp etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bye,
> >>>>>> Norman
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo<dh...@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Norman,
> >>>>>>> Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James
> post
> >>>>>>> installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do
> >>>>>>> this?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> think we should do away with the remote manager.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi there,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for
> JAMES
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
> >>>>>>>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
> >>>>>>>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
> >>>>>>>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever
> >>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>> prefer.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> WDYT ?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Yes that's why I was working on JMX. With JMX we can expose management
functions via a standard and if someone want to write a management
frontend he can just use them.
Anyway I think ship a command line client with JAMES makes sense .
Bye
Norman
2010/10/24, Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>:
> 2010/10/24 Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>:
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
>>
>> IIRC RemoteManager has issues which prevent the rest of james moving
>> forward. though i find RemoteManager useful and had some plans, i
>> think removing it from trunk would be the best strategy.
>>
>> i would prefer an independent management product for james (whether
>> using JMX transport or not) to an integrated one. if anyone is
>> interested then coding up something based on whatever's useful in
>> RemoteManager in a sandbox then that'd work for me much better than
>> trying to work within james.
>
> +1
>
> Stefano
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Stefano Bagnara <ap...@bago.org>.
2010/10/24 Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
>
> IIRC RemoteManager has issues which prevent the rest of james moving
> forward. though i find RemoteManager useful and had some plans, i
> think removing it from trunk would be the best strategy.
>
> i would prefer an independent management product for james (whether
> using JMX transport or not) to an integrated one. if anyone is
> interested then coding up something based on whatever's useful in
> RemoteManager in a sandbox then that'd work for me much better than
> trying to work within james.
+1
Stefano
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
As others seems to agree I will target it for after M1.
Thx,
Norman
2010/10/24 Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>:
> Exactly... Like JMX.
>
> Bye
> Norman
>
> 2010/10/24, Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>:
>> Robert,
>> Not sure if I have got you right. Independent management product -
>> you mean say an web app deployed on tomcat using some kind of remoting to
>> manage james?
>>
>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
>> robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> > Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
>>>
>>> IIRC RemoteManager has issues which prevent the rest of james moving
>>> forward. though i find RemoteManager useful and had some plans, i
>>> think removing it from trunk would be the best strategy.
>>>
>>> i would prefer an independent management product for james (whether
>>> using JMX transport or not) to an integrated one. if anyone is
>>> interested then coding up something based on whatever's useful in
>>> RemoteManager in a sandbox then that'd work for me much better than
>>> trying to work within james.
>>>
>>> - robert
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Exactly... Like JMX.
Bye
Norman
2010/10/24, Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>:
> Robert,
> Not sure if I have got you right. Independent management product -
> you mean say an web app deployed on tomcat using some kind of remoting to
> manage james?
>
> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
> robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
>>
>> IIRC RemoteManager has issues which prevent the rest of james moving
>> forward. though i find RemoteManager useful and had some plans, i
>> think removing it from trunk would be the best strategy.
>>
>> i would prefer an independent management product for james (whether
>> using JMX transport or not) to an integrated one. if anyone is
>> interested then coding up something based on whatever's useful in
>> RemoteManager in a sandbox then that'd work for me much better than
>> trying to work within james.
>>
>> - robert
>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>.
Robert,
Not sure if I have got you right. Independent management product -
you mean say an web app deployed on tomcat using some kind of remoting to
manage james?
Kind Regards... Dhrubo
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <
robertburrelldonkin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
>
> IIRC RemoteManager has issues which prevent the rest of james moving
> forward. though i find RemoteManager useful and had some plans, i
> think removing it from trunk would be the best strategy.
>
> i would prefer an independent management product for james (whether
> using JMX transport or not) to an integrated one. if anyone is
> interested then coding up something based on whatever's useful in
> RemoteManager in a sandbox then that'd work for me much better than
> trying to work within james.
>
> - robert
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <ro...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
IIRC RemoteManager has issues which prevent the rest of james moving
forward. though i find RemoteManager useful and had some plans, i
think removing it from trunk would be the best strategy.
i would prefer an independent management product for james (whether
using JMX transport or not) to an integrated one. if anyone is
interested then coding up something based on whatever's useful in
RemoteManager in a sandbox then that'd work for me much better than
trying to work within james.
- robert
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
Sounds good :) I think using JMX calls would be preferable ..
Bye,
Norman
2010/10/23 Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>:
> No i am trying to contact eric of web admin project on github
>
>
> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Eric Charles <er...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> ...of course, if you prefer start from scratch a web management from
>> scratch with your favorite mvc framework, go ahead :)
>>
>> As far as I understand, the goal of HUPA is to provide a web interface
>> client-side, not management-side, but I'm not the right person to talk about
>> that and may miss some hupa goals.
>>
>> Extensions to zimbra-like functions are not on the today diary.
>>
>> Tks,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23/10/2010 17:12, Dhrubo wrote:
>>
>>> Appreciated Eric.
>>> I am investigating.
>>> Also do not see much into project HUPA?
>>> Also I am interested in seeing a Zimbra desktop like tool for James.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eric Charles<er...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Dhrubo,
>>>>
>>>> For doc purposes, I took screenshots of jmanage accessing James' jmx.
>>>> This gives basic functionalites, but there is plenty of room to give a
>>>> better web application management.
>>>>
>>>> There's already an initiative to develop a web management interface (not
>>>> via jmx, it was not available at that time).
>>>> http://markmail.org/thread/g4soq47nlbmom2ee
>>>>
>>>> Maybe you can contact that project and see how it can evolve.
>>>> (Would be good no to have tons of web management interfaces).
>>>>
>>>> Tks,
>>>>
>>>> Eric
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23/10/2010 16:49, Dhrubo wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I can start this from Monday.
>>>>> Do you want me to create a JIRA ISSUE?
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
>>>>>
>>>>>> from webapp etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bye,
>>>>>> Norman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo<dh...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>>> Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James post
>>>>>>> installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do
>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>
>>>>>> think we should do away with the remote manager.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
>>>>>>>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
>>>>>>>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
>>>>>>>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> prefer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>.
No i am trying to contact eric of web admin project on github
Kind Regards... Dhrubo
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:59 PM, Eric Charles <er...@apache.org> wrote:
> ...of course, if you prefer start from scratch a web management from
> scratch with your favorite mvc framework, go ahead :)
>
> As far as I understand, the goal of HUPA is to provide a web interface
> client-side, not management-side, but I'm not the right person to talk about
> that and may miss some hupa goals.
>
> Extensions to zimbra-like functions are not on the today diary.
>
> Tks,
>
> Eric
>
>
>
> On 23/10/2010 17:12, Dhrubo wrote:
>
>> Appreciated Eric.
>> I am investigating.
>> Also do not see much into project HUPA?
>> Also I am interested in seeing a Zimbra desktop like tool for James.
>>
>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eric Charles<er...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dhrubo,
>>>
>>> For doc purposes, I took screenshots of jmanage accessing James' jmx.
>>> This gives basic functionalites, but there is plenty of room to give a
>>> better web application management.
>>>
>>> There's already an initiative to develop a web management interface (not
>>> via jmx, it was not available at that time).
>>> http://markmail.org/thread/g4soq47nlbmom2ee
>>>
>>> Maybe you can contact that project and see how it can evolve.
>>> (Would be good no to have tons of web management interfaces).
>>>
>>> Tks,
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/10/2010 16:49, Dhrubo wrote:
>>>
>>> I can start this from Monday.
>>>> Do you want me to create a JIRA ISSUE?
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
>>>>
>>>>> from webapp etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bye,
>>>>> Norman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo<dh...@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Norman,
>>>>>> Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James post
>>>>>> installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do
>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I
>>>>>
>>>>> think we should do away with the remote manager.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
>>>>>>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
>>>>>>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
>>>>>>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> prefer.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>.
...of course, if you prefer start from scratch a web management from
scratch with your favorite mvc framework, go ahead :)
As far as I understand, the goal of HUPA is to provide a web interface
client-side, not management-side, but I'm not the right person to talk
about that and may miss some hupa goals.
Extensions to zimbra-like functions are not on the today diary.
Tks,
Eric
On 23/10/2010 17:12, Dhrubo wrote:
> Appreciated Eric.
> I am investigating.
> Also do not see much into project HUPA?
> Also I am interested in seeing a Zimbra desktop like tool for James.
>
> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eric Charles<er...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dhrubo,
>>
>> For doc purposes, I took screenshots of jmanage accessing James' jmx.
>> This gives basic functionalites, but there is plenty of room to give a
>> better web application management.
>>
>> There's already an initiative to develop a web management interface (not
>> via jmx, it was not available at that time).
>> http://markmail.org/thread/g4soq47nlbmom2ee
>>
>> Maybe you can contact that project and see how it can evolve.
>> (Would be good no to have tons of web management interfaces).
>>
>> Tks,
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On 23/10/2010 16:49, Dhrubo wrote:
>>
>>> I can start this from Monday.
>>> Do you want me to create a JIRA ISSUE?
>>>
>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
>>>> from webapp etc.
>>>>
>>>> Bye,
>>>> Norman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo<dh...@gmail.com>:
>>>>
>>>>> Norman,
>>>>> Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James post
>>>>> installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do
>>>>> this?
>>>>>
>>>> I
>>>>
>>>>> think we should do away with the remote manager.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
>>>>>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
>>>>>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
>>>>>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
>>>>>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever you
>>>>>> prefer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>.
Appreciated Eric.
I am investigating.
Also do not see much into project HUPA?
Also I am interested in seeing a Zimbra desktop like tool for James.
Kind Regards... Dhrubo
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Eric Charles <er...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Dhrubo,
>
> For doc purposes, I took screenshots of jmanage accessing James' jmx.
> This gives basic functionalites, but there is plenty of room to give a
> better web application management.
>
> There's already an initiative to develop a web management interface (not
> via jmx, it was not available at that time).
> http://markmail.org/thread/g4soq47nlbmom2ee
>
> Maybe you can contact that project and see how it can evolve.
> (Would be good no to have tons of web management interfaces).
>
> Tks,
>
> Eric
>
>
> On 23/10/2010 16:49, Dhrubo wrote:
>
>> I can start this from Monday.
>> Do you want me to create a JIRA ISSUE?
>>
>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
>>> from webapp etc.
>>>
>>> Bye,
>>> Norman
>>>
>>>
>>> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo<dh...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Norman,
>>>> Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James post
>>>> installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>> I
>>>
>>>> think we should do away with the remote manager.
>>>>
>>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
>>>>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
>>>>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
>>>>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
>>>>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever you
>>>>> prefer.
>>>>>
>>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>.
Hi Dhrubo,
For doc purposes, I took screenshots of jmanage accessing James' jmx.
This gives basic functionalites, but there is plenty of room to give a
better web application management.
There's already an initiative to develop a web management interface (not
via jmx, it was not available at that time).
http://markmail.org/thread/g4soq47nlbmom2ee
Maybe you can contact that project and see how it can evolve.
(Would be good no to have tons of web management interfaces).
Tks,
Eric
On 23/10/2010 16:49, Dhrubo wrote:
> I can start this from Monday.
> Do you want me to create a JIRA ISSUE?
>
> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
>> from webapp etc.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Norman
>>
>>
>> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo<dh...@gmail.com>:
>>> Norman,
>>> Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James post
>>> installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do this?
>> I
>>> think we should do away with the remote manager.
>>>
>>> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer<no...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>>> Hi there,
>>>>
>>>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
>>>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
>>>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
>>>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
>>>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>>>>
>>>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever you
>>>> prefer.
>>>>
>>>> WDYT ?
>>>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>.
I can start this from Monday.
Do you want me to create a JIRA ISSUE?
Kind Regards... Dhrubo
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
> from webapp etc.
>
> Bye,
> Norman
>
>
> 2010/10/23 Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>:
> > Norman,
> > Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James post
> > installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do this?
> I
> > think we should do away with the remote manager.
> >
> > Kind Regards... Dhrubo
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi there,
> >>
> >> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
> >> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
> >> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
> >> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
> >> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
> >>
> >> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever you
> >> prefer.
> >>
> >> WDYT ?
> >>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org>.
If there is willing to contribute to it, sure.. Just call JMX stuff
from webapp etc.
Bye,
Norman
2010/10/23 Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>:
> Norman,
> Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James post
> installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do this? I
> think we should do away with the remote manager.
>
> Kind Regards... Dhrubo
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>>
>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever you
>> prefer.
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Dhrubo <dh...@gmail.com>.
Norman,
Can we consider a web UI based admin console for James post
installation? I am ready to put 4 hrs of my time if we intend to do this? I
think we should do away with the remote manager.
Kind Regards... Dhrubo
On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:08 PM, Norman Maurer <no...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>
> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever you
> prefer.
>
> WDYT ?
>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>.
Oops, it would be M2 (because it's "after M1")
Eric
On 23/10/2010 17:04, Eric Charles wrote:
> Hi Norman,
> Yes, I really like the idea.
> M1 or M2 ?
> Eric
>
> On 23/10/2010 16:38, Norman Maurer wrote:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
>> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
>> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
>> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
>> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>>
>> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever
>> you prefer.
>>
>> WDYT ?
>>
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Re: [PROPOSAL] Remove RemoteManager after M1
Posted by Eric Charles <er...@apache.org>.
Hi Norman,
Yes, I really like the idea.
M1 or M2 ?
Eric
On 23/10/2010 16:38, Norman Maurer wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> after spend some time on implementing JMX management stuff for JAMES I
> think we should get rid of RemoteManager and just use JMX for
> management. To make it more easy to use for "normal" users I would
> like to create a command line interface which use JMX calls to add
> users etc. Something like cassandra does with its nodetool.
>
> So you can easily do management from command line or JMX. Whatever you prefer.
>
> WDYT ?
>
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