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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Hi,
So, where I should start ?
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
2011/3/1 Stephen Colebourne <sc...@joda.org>:
> Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying
> to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users.
Yep, that's true
> The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for
> maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits
> with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask
> if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a
> bad thing).
A home, right now OGNL is homeless and ownerless. As I know, Struts 2
and Tapestry are both using it extensively.
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
@Stephen: OGNL is currently ownerless, as Lukasz reported, and he's
the only one maintainer on github. Original authors agreed on donating
the to the ASF, I suppose to provide OGNL community the
support/maintainance that deserves. Someone else didn't agree already
on taking in consideration yet another expression language, due to EL
and JEXL already on Commons, that's why we proposed BeanUtils/JEXL. I
would be the first happy on having it as a proper component.
@Paul: sounds reasonable IMHO, even if the OGNL project looks more
like a general purpose expression language, not strictly related to
Struts. Personally there are still good reason to propose OGNL here at
Commons, even if the Struts path would be acceptable
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org> wrote:
> Struts 2 is a big consumer of OGNL. The Struts community already consumed
> XWork's IP and now own it. Aren't both of those projects from OpenSymphony?
> If so, I would say it should go over to Struts.
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@joda.org>wrote:
>
>> Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying
>> to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users.
>>
>> The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for
>> maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits
>> with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask
>> if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a
>> bad thing).
>>
>> I'm certainly arguing against a straight push into BeanUtils or JEXL.
>>
>> Stephen
>>
>>
>> On 1 March 2011 17:48, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org> wrote:
>> > Hi Henri,
>> > it would be fine for me, I initially suggested BeanUtils because
>> > already support a similar feature[1], but JEXL2 would work as well.
>> > Thanks for your feedbacks, looking forward to collect enough thoughts
>> > to call for a vote :)
>> > Simo
>> >
>> > http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> > http://www.99soft.org/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:37 PM, henrib <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> Howdy;
>> >> I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up
>> using
>> >> JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very
>> powerful
>> >> and expressive.
>> >> What about trying to merge OGNL & JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm
>> pretty
>> >> sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor
>> calls,
>> >> arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in
>> the
>> >> upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs).
>> >> It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in
>> the
>> >> future rather than overlapping ones.
>> >> Thoughts ?
>> >> Henrib
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> View this message in context:
>> http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html
>> >> Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>> >>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
Struts 2 is a big consumer of OGNL. The Struts community already consumed
XWork's IP and now own it. Aren't both of those projects from OpenSymphony?
If so, I would say it should go over to Struts.
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Stephen Colebourne <sc...@joda.org>wrote:
> Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying
> to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users.
>
> The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for
> maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits
> with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask
> if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a
> bad thing).
>
> I'm certainly arguing against a straight push into BeanUtils or JEXL.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On 1 March 2011 17:48, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Hi Henri,
> > it would be fine for me, I initially suggested BeanUtils because
> > already support a similar feature[1], but JEXL2 would work as well.
> > Thanks for your feedbacks, looking forward to collect enough thoughts
> > to call for a vote :)
> > Simo
> >
> > http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> > http://www.99soft.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:37 PM, henrib <he...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> Howdy;
> >> I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up
> using
> >> JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very
> powerful
> >> and expressive.
> >> What about trying to merge OGNL & JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm
> pretty
> >> sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor
> calls,
> >> arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in
> the
> >> upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs).
> >> It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in
> the
> >> future rather than overlapping ones.
> >> Thoughts ?
> >> Henrib
> >>
> >> --
> >> View this message in context:
> http://apache-commons.680414.n4.nabble.com/OGNL-as-a-part-of-Commons-tp3085026p3330241.html
> >> Sent from the Commons - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
> >>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Nuwan Arambage <nu...@gmail.com>.
Sorry for the mistake.in last mail, he asked for one more. I thought I do
can reply for it. Thanks for your advice and I would be keeping it in mind
as a beginner.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:59 PM, Antonio Petrelli <antonio.petrelli@gmail.com
> wrote:
> Please do not hijack threads, start a new one.
>
> Antonio
>
> 2011/3/3 Nuwan Arambage <nu...@gmail.com>:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been touched with this mail trail.So frankly speaking I'm not a
> > hardcore programmer or apache comitter but I'm a software engineering
> > undergraduate having application development experience in terms of
> Struts 2
> > and Spring.I have subscribed this mailing list as I need to get a
> initiation
> > to become a apache commiter.I don't have any idea whether I'm fit for you
> > requirement.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Nuwan Arambage
> > On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Lukasz Lenart
> > <lu...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> One more :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> --
> >> Łukasz
> >> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> >> Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> From: Maurizio Cucchiara <ma...@gmail.com>
> >> Date: 2011/3/3
> >> Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
> >> To: Struts Developers List <de...@struts.apache.org>,
> >> lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> Lukasz,
> >> you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've
> >> already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator
> >> one too)
> >>
> >> On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting
> >> > OGNL and the whole incubation process ?
> >> >
> >> > There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about
> >> that.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Regards
> >> > --
> >> > Łukasz
> >> > + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> >> > Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >> > From: Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
> >> > Date: 2011/3/3
> >> > Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
> >> > To: Commons Developers List <de...@commons.apache.org>,
> >> lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
> >> > DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
> >> >> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
> >> >>> Anyone more? :)
> >> >>
> >> >> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
> >> >
> >> > I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
> >> > creating an incubation proposal.
> >> > I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
> >> > else is interested.
> >> >
> >> > Antonio
> >> >
> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Maurizio Cucchiara
> >>
> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fail again. Fail better
> >
> > With Regards ,
> > Nuwan Arambage
> >
>
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Fail again. Fail better
With Regards ,
Nuwan Arambage
Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>.
Please do not hijack threads, start a new one.
Antonio
2011/3/3 Nuwan Arambage <nu...@gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I have been touched with this mail trail.So frankly speaking I'm not a
> hardcore programmer or apache comitter but I'm a software engineering
> undergraduate having application development experience in terms of Struts 2
> and Spring.I have subscribed this mailing list as I need to get a initiation
> to become a apache commiter.I don't have any idea whether I'm fit for you
> requirement.
>
>
> Regards,
> Nuwan Arambage
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Lukasz Lenart
> <lu...@googlemail.com>wrote:
>
>> One more :-)
>>
>>
>> Regards
>> --
>> Łukasz
>> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
>> Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Maurizio Cucchiara <ma...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 2011/3/3
>> Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
>> To: Struts Developers List <de...@struts.apache.org>,
>> lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Lukasz,
>> you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've
>> already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator
>> one too)
>>
>> On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting
>> > OGNL and the whole incubation process ?
>> >
>> > There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about
>> that.
>> >
>> >
>> > Regards
>> > --
>> > Łukasz
>> > + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
>> > Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
>> >
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> > From: Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
>> > Date: 2011/3/3
>> > Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
>> > To: Commons Developers List <de...@commons.apache.org>,
>> lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
>> > DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
>> >
>> >
>> > 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
>> >> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>> >>> Anyone more? :)
>> >>
>> >> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
>> >
>> > I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
>> > creating an incubation proposal.
>> > I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
>> > else is interested.
>> >
>> > Antonio
>> >
>> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Maurizio Cucchiara
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@commons.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@commons.apache.org
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Fail again. Fail better
>
> With Regards ,
> Nuwan Arambage
>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Nuwan Arambage <nu...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
I have been touched with this mail trail.So frankly speaking I'm not a
hardcore programmer or apache comitter but I'm a software engineering
undergraduate having application development experience in terms of Struts 2
and Spring.I have subscribed this mailing list as I need to get a initiation
to become a apache commiter.I don't have any idea whether I'm fit for you
requirement.
Regards,
Nuwan Arambage
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Lukasz Lenart
<lu...@googlemail.com>wrote:
> One more :-)
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Łukasz
> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Maurizio Cucchiara <ma...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2011/3/3
> Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
> To: Struts Developers List <de...@struts.apache.org>,
> lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
>
>
> Lukasz,
> you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've
> already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator
> one too)
>
> On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting
> > OGNL and the whole incubation process ?
> >
> > There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about
> that.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > --
> > Łukasz
> > + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> > Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
> > Date: 2011/3/3
> > Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
> > To: Commons Developers List <de...@commons.apache.org>,
> lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
> > DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
> >> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
> >>> Anyone more? :)
> >>
> >> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
> >
> > I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
> > creating an incubation proposal.
> > I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
> > else is interested.
> >
> > Antonio
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@struts.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@struts.apache.org
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Maurizio Cucchiara
>
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>
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With Regards ,
Nuwan Arambage
Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
One more :-)
Regards
--
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Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Maurizio Cucchiara <ma...@gmail.com>
Date: 2011/3/3
Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
To: Struts Developers List <de...@struts.apache.org>, lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
Lukasz,
you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've
already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator
one too)
On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting
> OGNL and the whole incubation process ?
>
> There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about that.
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Łukasz
> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2011/3/3
> Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
> To: Commons Developers List <de...@commons.apache.org>, lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
> DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
>
>
> 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
>> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>>> Anyone more? :)
>>
>> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
>
> I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
> creating an incubation proposal.
> I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
> else is interested.
>
> Antonio
>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Maurizio Cucchiara <ma...@gmail.com>.
You're welcome
On 3 March 2011 12:47, Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 2011/3/3 Maurizio Cucchiara <ma...@gmail.com>:
>> Lukasz,
>> you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've
>> already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator
>> one too)
>
> Thanks Maurizio!
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Łukasz
> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
2011/3/3 Maurizio Cucchiara <ma...@gmail.com>:
> Lukasz,
> you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've
> already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator
> one too)
Thanks Maurizio!
Regards
--
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+ 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Maurizio Cucchiara <ma...@gmail.com>.
Lukasz,
you can count on me too, feel free to tell me how I can help you (I've
already subscribed on every apache commons mailing list and incubator
one too)
On 3 March 2011 12:04, Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting
> OGNL and the whole incubation process ?
>
> There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about that.
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Łukasz
> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2011/3/3
> Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
> To: Commons Developers List <de...@commons.apache.org>, lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
> DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
>
>
> 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
>> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>>> Anyone more? :)
>>
>> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
>
> I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
> creating an incubation proposal.
> I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
> else is interested.
>
> Antonio
>
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Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
FYI
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dave Newton <da...@gmail.com>
Date: 2011/3/3
Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
To: Struts Developers List <de...@struts.apache.org>, lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
It seems like it might be a good idea for the ASF to have a performant
(how I hate that word) EL, possible taking a look at how MVEL/etc.
does some things, etc. I kind of like OGNL and the power it provides,
just wish it was faster--I'd help with that as time allows.
Dave
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Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
FYI
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>
Date: 2011/3/3
Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
To: Struts Developers List <de...@struts.apache.org>
Count me in for backup. If someone gets tied up with day work and you need
an extra hand, I will help take over for that person the best I can.
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Paul Benedict <pb...@apache.org>.
Count me in for backup. If someone gets tied up with day work and you need
an extra hand, I will help take over for that person the best I can.
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 7:15 AM, Dave Newton <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It seems like it might be a good idea for the ASF to have a performant
> (how I hate that word) EL, possible taking a look at how MVEL/etc.
> does some things, etc. I kind of like OGNL and the power it provides,
> just wish it was faster--I'd help with that as time allows.
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Lukasz Lenart
> <lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting
> > OGNL and the whole incubation process ?
> >
> > There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about
> that.
> >
> >
> > Regards
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> > From: Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
> > Date: 2011/3/3
> > Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
> > To: Commons Developers List <de...@commons.apache.org>,
> lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
> > DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
> >
> >
> > 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
> >> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
> >>> Anyone more? :)
> >>
> >> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
> >
> > I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
> > creating an incubation proposal.
> > I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
> > else is interested.
> >
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Dave Newton <da...@gmail.com>.
It seems like it might be a good idea for the ASF to have a performant
(how I hate that word) EL, possible taking a look at how MVEL/etc.
does some things, etc. I kind of like OGNL and the power it provides,
just wish it was faster--I'd help with that as time allows.
Dave
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 6:04 AM, Lukasz Lenart
<lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting
> OGNL and the whole incubation process ?
>
> There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about that.
>
>
> Regards
> --
> Łukasz
> + 48 606 323 122 http://www.lenart.org.pl/
> Confitura 2011 http://confitura.pl
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
> Date: 2011/3/3
> Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
> To: Commons Developers List <de...@commons.apache.org>, lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
> DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
>
>
> 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
>> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>>> Anyone more? :)
>>
>> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
>
> I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
> creating an incubation proposal.
> I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
> else is interested.
>
> Antonio
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Fwd: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
Hi,
As Antonio suggested, is anybody else interested here in supporting
OGNL and the whole incubation process ?
There's a discussion going on on the dev@commons mailing list about that.
Regards
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From: Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>
Date: 2011/3/3
Subject: Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
To: Commons Developers List <de...@commons.apache.org>, lukasz.lenart@gmail.com
DW: Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>
2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>> Anyone more? :)
>
> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
creating an incubation proposal.
I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
else is interested.
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>.
2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>> Anyone more? :)
>
> You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
I know it :-) for incubation, being an Apache commiter is a plus when
creating an incubation proposal.
I think you should ask the Struts dev mailing list to see if anyone
else is interested.
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
> Anyone more? :)
You can count on me, but I'm a Struts Committer.
Regards
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
On 3/3/11 9:24 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
> That's an incredible idea Phil, thanks for your kind feedback!
> I already started preparing the proposal[1] and sill looking for
> Sponsor/Champions/Mentors, I like the idea of OGNL as Commons
> Component and we're waiting for feedbacks from Apache Struts, maybe
> they're interested too, the we will have to take a decision.
>
> In any case, I take in charge of calling the vote.
>
> Would you be interested on being Champion/Mentor? I know you're
> super-busy but I'd really like you involved given the fact how you
> leas people! :)
I would love to do this, but I am unfortunately over-subscribed
already. I will try to help encourage others to step up if necessary.
Thanks!
Phil
> Thanks to you, have a nice day!
> Simo
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 3/3/11 6:06 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
>>> Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :)
>>> Simo
>> It looks to me like if what you guys want to do is incubate OGNL for
>> eventual home in Commons, you have the support you need. The
>> non-Commons ASF committers interested can easily be voted in and
>> should count in the "rule of 3." If that is the plan, you should
>> kick off a VOTE here to confirm consensus among the Commons
>> community to sponsor the podling.
>>
>> Thanks for helping this along, Simo!
>>
>> Phil
>>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli
>>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>:
>>>>> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>>>>>> Looks like Antonio is interested and
>>>>>> it would be very nice if he joins.
>>>>> In fact I am
>>>> If it was not clear, I wish to join :-)
>>>>
>>>> Antonio
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
That's an incredible idea Phil, thanks for your kind feedback!
I already started preparing the proposal[1] and sill looking for
Sponsor/Champions/Mentors, I like the idea of OGNL as Commons
Component and we're waiting for feedbacks from Apache Struts, maybe
they're interested too, the we will have to take a decision.
In any case, I take in charge of calling the vote.
Would you be interested on being Champion/Mentor? I know you're
super-busy but I'd really like you involved given the fact how you
leas people! :)
Thanks to you, have a nice day!
Simo
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/OGNLProposal
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 3:16 PM, Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 3/3/11 6:06 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
>> Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :)
>> Simo
>
> It looks to me like if what you guys want to do is incubate OGNL for
> eventual home in Commons, you have the support you need. The
> non-Commons ASF committers interested can easily be voted in and
> should count in the "rule of 3." If that is the plan, you should
> kick off a VOTE here to confirm consensus among the Commons
> community to sponsor the podling.
>
> Thanks for helping this along, Simo!
>
> Phil
>> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
>> http://www.99soft.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli
>> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>:
>>>> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>>>>> Looks like Antonio is interested and
>>>>> it would be very nice if he joins.
>>>> In fact I am
>>> If it was not clear, I wish to join :-)
>>>
>>> Antonio
>>>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Phil Steitz <ph...@gmail.com>.
On 3/3/11 6:06 AM, Simone Tripodi wrote:
> Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :)
> Simo
It looks to me like if what you guys want to do is incubate OGNL for
eventual home in Commons, you have the support you need. The
non-Commons ASF committers interested can easily be voted in and
should count in the "rule of 3." If that is the plan, you should
kick off a VOTE here to confirm consensus among the Commons
community to sponsor the podling.
Thanks for helping this along, Simo!
Phil
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli
> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>:
>>> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>>>> Looks like Antonio is interested and
>>>> it would be very nice if he joins.
>>> In fact I am
>> If it was not clear, I wish to join :-)
>>
>> Antonio
>>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Thanks, it was :) I'm already on general@, I'll move the discussion there :)
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Antonio Petrelli
<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>:
>> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>>> Looks like Antonio is interested and
>>> it would be very nice if he joins.
>>
>> In fact I am
>
> If it was not clear, I wish to join :-)
>
> Antonio
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>.
2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>:
> 2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
>> Looks like Antonio is interested and
>> it would be very nice if he joins.
>
> In fact I am
If it was not clear, I wish to join :-)
Antonio
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>.
2011/3/3 Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>:
> Looks like Antonio is interested and
> it would be very nice if he joins.
In fact I am, Tiles also uses OGNL via a separate module.
Once I created a proposal for a subproject for Tiles but it failed:
https://cwiki.apache.org/TILES/dimensionsincubationproposal.html
However the "real" proposal was this:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/KaolinProposal
but it is currently down.
Feel free to start writing the proposal using these bases (or others),
count on me on fixing terms that may be incorrect.
Oh, and suscribe to general@incubator.a.o
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
I'm interested and would be more than glad on helping OGNL to join the
Incubator, count on me to prepare the proposal.
I know that this topic should maybe be discussed elsewhere, but before
putting an end to this thread I'd like to ask who's interested,
between Commons devs, on joining? Looks like Antonio is interested and
it would be very nice if he joins.
Anyone more? :)
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 11:12 AM, Stephen Colebourne
<sc...@joda.org> wrote:
> To be a TLP, you need a bare minimum of 3 active committers,
> preferably 6. And you'd need to go via the incubator. Commons is an
> easier fit as the committers can be shared with other commons
> components, but that still depends on existing commons committers
> saying that they'd be willing to help support it.
>
> Stephen
>
>
> On 3 March 2011 10:02, Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>> 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>:
>>> 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
>>>> Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by
>>>> the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-)
>>>
>>> Just a note FWIW. Spring WebFlow also uses OGNL.
>>
>> So, OGNL as a TPL project would be the best.
>>
>>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@joda.org>.
To be a TLP, you need a bare minimum of 3 active committers,
preferably 6. And you'd need to go via the incubator. Commons is an
easier fit as the committers can be shared with other commons
components, but that still depends on existing commons committers
saying that they'd be willing to help support it.
Stephen
On 3 March 2011 10:02, Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> 2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>:
>> 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
>>> Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by
>>> the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-)
>>
>> Just a note FWIW. Spring WebFlow also uses OGNL.
>
> So, OGNL as a TPL project would be the best.
>
>
> Regards
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Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
2011/3/3 Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>:
> 2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
>> Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by
>> the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-)
>
> Just a note FWIW. Spring WebFlow also uses OGNL.
So, OGNL as a TPL project would be the best.
Regards
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Antonio Petrelli <an...@gmail.com>.
2011/3/3 Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>:
> Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by
> the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-)
Just a note FWIW. Spring WebFlow also uses OGNL.
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Posted by Lukasz Lenart <lu...@googlemail.com>.
Moving OGNL to Struts 2 could have one pitfall - it can be driven by
the project's needs. But that can be good as well ;-)
Regards
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Jörg Schaible <jo...@scalaris.com>.
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying
> to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users.
>
> The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for
> maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits
> with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask
> if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a
> bad thing).
>
> I'm certainly arguing against a straight push into BeanUtils or JEXL.
+1
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Stephen Colebourne <sc...@joda.org>.
Based on what I know of OGNL, it is/was reasonably well used. Trying
to merge it into another project doesn't help those existing users.
The question is what are the author(s) of OGNL looking for? A home for
maintainance? The Apache brand? To reinvigorate it? The latter fits
with a merger into other projects. The former should make commons ask
if it wants to become a home for maintainance mode (not necessarily a
bad thing).
I'm certainly arguing against a straight push into BeanUtils or JEXL.
Stephen
On 1 March 2011 17:48, Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Henri,
> it would be fine for me, I initially suggested BeanUtils because
> already support a similar feature[1], but JEXL2 would work as well.
> Thanks for your feedbacks, looking forward to collect enough thoughts
> to call for a vote :)
> Simo
>
> http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
> http://www.99soft.org/
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:37 PM, henrib <he...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Howdy;
>> I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up using
>> JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very powerful
>> and expressive.
>> What about trying to merge OGNL & JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm pretty
>> sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor calls,
>> arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in the
>> upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs).
>> It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in the
>> future rather than overlapping ones.
>> Thoughts ?
>> Henrib
>>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi Henri,
it would be fine for me, I initially suggested BeanUtils because
already support a similar feature[1], but JEXL2 would work as well.
Thanks for your feedbacks, looking forward to collect enough thoughts
to call for a vote :)
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 6:37 PM, henrib <he...@apache.org> wrote:
> Howdy;
> I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up using
> JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very powerful
> and expressive.
> What about trying to merge OGNL & JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm pretty
> sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor calls,
> arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in the
> upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs).
> It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in the
> future rather than overlapping ones.
> Thoughts ?
> Henrib
>
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by henrib <he...@apache.org>.
Howdy;
I looked at OGNL a while ago and can't fully remember why I ended up using
JEXL (probably because it seemed simpler). Anyway, OGNL seems very powerful
and expressive.
What about trying to merge OGNL & JEXL2 (instead of BeanUtils)? I'm pretty
sure the core JEXL2 features (introspector - method /static / ctor calls,
arithmetic) could be leveraged easily. The main differences would be in the
upper parts I guess (syntax, constructs).
It probably could help define a better scripting engine and language in the
future rather than overlapping ones.
Thoughts ?
Henrib
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Re: OGNL as a part of Commons
Posted by Simone Tripodi <si...@apache.org>.
Hi all guys,
I personally like the proposal and think that OGNL is a nice piece of
software that Commons could only benefit if it will join.
As I previously expressed, IMHO OGNL could be merged to BeanUtils that
already supports the same features, but in a less sophisticated way;
BeanUtils could only than benefit from this merge.
Moreover the OGNL project is widely adopted in sever closed/oss
projects, I don't see any potential risk of failure. And it is already
licensed under ASL2.0.
What are your thoughts about it? I'm available on helping Lucasz for
the move and the OGNL community.
Looking forward to see your feedbacks, have a nice day,
Simo
http://people.apache.org/~simonetripodi/
http://www.99soft.org/
On Tue, Mar 1, 2011 at 12:41 PM, Lukasz Lenart
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> Hi,
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> So, where I should start ?
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> Kind regards
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