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Posted to dev@cloudstack.apache.org by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> on 2015/03/26 16:28:02 UTC
CentOS Cloud SIG effort
A while back I mentioned to some folks (I think it was this list, but it
may have been a subset) that the CentOS community is working on a Cloud
SIG (Special Interest Group) effort. You can read a little about it at
http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
The idea is to ensure that cloud infrastructure software, like
CloudStack, OpenStack, Open Nebula, and Eucalyptus, works solidly on
CentOS, has all of the prerequisite packages available, gets CI on the
CentOS platform, and so on.
At the moment, this is *only* OpenStack, with the other projects
unrepresented.
If you are interested in adoption of CloudStack on CentOS (and, by side
effect, on Red Hat Enterprise Linux), we'd love to have your
participation in this effort.
The best way to find out how to get involved is:
* Attend our weekly meeting, 15:00 UTC, on #centos-devel, on the
Freenode IRC network
* Join the centos-devel mailing list -
http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
Also, several of the CentoOS guys are likely to be at Apachecon, since
several of them are based in Austin, so that's also a good time to find
out more.
--Rich
--
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Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Paul Angus <pa...@shapeblue.com>.
I'll try to attend too.
Regards
Paul Angus
Cloud Architect
ShapeBlue Ltd
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paul.angus@shapeblue.com
-------- Original message --------
From: Nux!
Date:02/04/2015 10:09 (GMT+01:00)
To: sebgoa
Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org,Paul Angus
Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Sure, I'll do my best to attend.
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Nux!
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, "Paul Angus" <pa...@shapeblue.com>, "Nux!" <nu...@li.nux.ro>
> Sent: Thursday, 2 April, 2015 07:54:13
> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
> All, and specially Paul and Nux,
>
> Any chance you can join this meeting, and see what we need to do on the CentOS
> front ?
>
> On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 03/27/2015 04:41 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>>>> >On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rich Bowen<rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >A while back I mentioned to some folks (I think it was this list, but it may
>>>> >have been a subset) that the CentOS community is working on a Cloud SIG
>>>> >(Special Interest Group) effort. You can read a little about it
>>>> >athttp://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
>>>> >
>>>> >The idea is to ensure that cloud infrastructure software, like CloudStack,
>>>> >OpenStack, Open Nebula, and Eucalyptus, works solidly on CentOS, has all of the
>>>> >prerequisite packages available, gets CI on the CentOS platform, and so on.
>>>> >
>>>> >At the moment, this is*only* OpenStack, with the other projects unrepresented.
>>>> >
>>>> >If you are interested in adoption of CloudStack on CentOS (and, by side effect,
>>>> >on Red Hat Enterprise Linux), we'd love to have your participation in this
>>>> >effort.
>>>> >
>>> Hi Rich, thanks for the ping again.
>>>
>>> We have been in touch with KB (Nux! and I mostly) and submitted our scripts for
>>> building a cloudstack centOS templates upstream. It works and was merged at
>>> some point, but it got pulled back because we stick some scripts in there.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is that I feel we need to work further upstream in cloud-init to
>>> improve cloudstack support there, once that’s done, we can come back to the
>>> CentOS builds for cloudstack.
>>>
>>> fwiw, our install base is probably ~70% centOS and we already have centOS7
>>> support.
>>
>> In the OpenStack world, we see CentOS as a great way to get the message out
>> about OpenStack. Wearing my ASF hat, I'd really like to see the same vehicle be
>> used to get the word out about CloudStack. CentOS goes to a lot of events, and
>> many of them are ones that CloudStack isn't at. I'd love to see the Cloud SIG
>> be a way to get the word about CloudStack into audiences that typically only
>> ever hear about OpenStack. (Yes, I have split loyalties here, and that's fine.)
>>
>> Anyways, a reminder that we will be having this meeting on #centos-devel at
>> 15:00 UTC *tomorrow*, and it would be awesome to at least have some
>> representation from the CloudStack community there to ask the right questions
>> and see what we can do, on the CentOS side, to fix these cloud-init problems
>> and bring CloudStack some more of the CentOS spotlight. Or even just show up so
>> that folks can meet you and we can figure out if there's anything we can do to
>> help one another.
>>
>> --Rich
>>
>>
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Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Adrian,
You're not too old-fashioned, in fact you have a good point that may not appear so obvious to others on this list.
I personally resigned to the idea that to do "cloud" you really, _really_ need to know what you're doing, otherwise it will end in tears.
I experienced this first hand, but perhaps there is a way to make this easier the others.
Let's keep at this and perhaps we can come up with something to tease the hobbyists and the SMB admins.
Lucian
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Adrian Lewis" <ad...@alsiconsulting.co.uk>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>, "Paul Angus" <pa...@shapeblue.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 2 April, 2015 14:46:09
> Subject: RE: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
> Hi Lucian,
>
> This is still a very devops/developer centric approach which in my opinion
> is rife within the ACS community (understandably) and which is inadvertently
> hostile/elitist to many who might otherwise be interested. I think that many
> regular sys admins who perhaps don't want to get involved with docker,
> github, compiling stuff, running 3rd party provisioning scripts etc and just
> want to run up a quick POC would end up being alienated by this - they don’t
> have the time to learn these sorts of technologies if they would never use
> them otherwise. Obviously to most of the audience in this list that's not
> the case but I really think that there are a lot of potential (albeit likely
> small) deployments out there where the admins run a mile if getting
> something to work involves the word 'git' or even 'mailing-list'. These
> people just go out and buy vCloud Director instead or do without. Citrix
> would probably get more customers for CloudPlatform as well if it were very
> simple to try out ACS.
>
> ACS needs hobbyists and sys admins in SMBs as well in my opinion, not just
> devops people in large corporations or service providers. More people
> playing with it and in turn talking/blogging about it and raising its
> profile will help immensely. These people need to be convinced that
> #Cloudstackworks.
>
> Get packages into Debian/Ubuntu and there's an even greater audience. Grab
> the long tail and the rest of the beast comes with it.
>
> Just my opinion btw - perhaps I'm too old-fashioned and need to learn more.
>
> Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nux! [mailto:nux@li.nux.ro]
> Sent: 02 April 2015 13:01
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: sebgoa; Paul Angus
> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
>
> Hi Adrian
>
>> Pretty sure that if getting the management server up and running was
>> as simple as...
>> 1. Install CentOS
>> 2. yum install cloudstack
>> 3. setup-cloudstack-all-in-one.sh
>> ...we'd see many more people at least trying it out.
>>
>> Some might see the current installation options as easy enough but if
>> someone could get it up and running without even looking at the docs,
>> I reckon they'd be more likely to do it and then consult the docs when
>> they got stuck.
>
> This reminds me of https://github.com/thehyperadvisor/cldstk-deploy , though
> there could certainly more/better ideas on how to ease things up, at least
> for a PoC.
> I'm sure Sebastien will quickly propose docker. :)
>
>>
>> If the packages could be put into the centos-extras repo that would do
>> the trick. I'm sure there's more to it than my simplistic idea but
>> could we discuss the viability of this?
>
> I think this will be difficult to achieve, though I am short on proper
> details, I believe the way we (in cloudstack) ship some stuff - particularly
> java stuff - is not exactly kosher from a RedHat packaging point of view.
> They have their own routine, practices and so on. Furthermore, let's say we
> get that right, keeping it up to date in their repo will also be quite an
> effort.
> I think the idea is good and in an ideal world it's how we'd do it, but
> right now with the release cadence of Cloudstack and our few resources, it's
> something that - simply - it's not worth doing.
>
>> We could do with a one-stop script that does everything for the user
>> including installing the mysql/mariadb server aspect & even setting up
>> NFS shares on the same box (leaving the other more granular setup
>> scripts for 'advanced' users. If centos-extras is not feasible, how
>> about EPEL? Might even get some Fedora people interested as well (if
>> it works on Fedora).
>
> See the ansible link I gave above.
> Re EPEL and Fedora, they're having trouble maintaining their own stuff, i.e.
> they removed openstack from there and are maintaining separate repositories
> at https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/
>
>>
>> Pretty sure that this particular CentOS SIG is about running the
>> management/infrastructure side of things as opposed to running centos
>> as a guest in case anyone is unsure. Although clearly related, earlier
>> comments about cloud-init are surely more related to another CentOS
>> SIG (Cloud
>> Instance) aren't they?
>
> Yep, CentOS Cloud Instance SIG is a different project meant to get CentOS
> running on all major cloud platforms. This one is somehow successful in that
> their official image will boot in Cloudstack and get a ssh key if one is
> set, even execute user data, but there are many bugs and other problems. Far
> from ideal; it would be great if someone with python skills would take up
> polishing the cloud-init Cloudstack source a bit, perhaps as part of GSoC.
>
> My stance on all this is, bother less with packaging or inclusion in CentOS
> official repos and focus more on getting it to work as smoothly as possible.
>
> Also, attending the CentOS events with presentations on Cloudstack is a
> great idea to raise some awareness.
>
> /imho
>
> Lucian
Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
> On Apr 2, 2015, at 3:46 PM, Adrian Lewis <ad...@alsiconsulting.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi Lucian,
>
> This is still a very devops/developer centric approach which in my opinion
> is rife within the ACS community (understandably) and which is inadvertently
> hostile/elitist to many who might otherwise be interested. I think that many
> regular sys admins who perhaps don't want to get involved with docker,
> github, compiling stuff, running 3rd party provisioning scripts etc and just
> want to run up a quick POC would end up being alienated by this - they don’t
> have the time to learn these sorts of technologies if they would never use
> them otherwise. Obviously to most of the audience in this list that's not
> the case but I really think that there are a lot of potential (albeit likely
> small) deployments out there where the admins run a mile if getting
> something to work involves the word 'git' or even 'mailing-list’.
So technically you don’t need git or mailing list to get this done. but you do need to read the docs.
I don’t want to find excuses here, but openstack is not easier to try. Installing the mgt server and the agent is not the tough part.
To me the tough part is to understand your datacenter and how you are gong to configure your network. That part is tough to simplify.
so bottom line I agree with you, and would love to see some patches to get this done.
> These
> people just go out and buy vCloud Director instead or do without. Citrix
> would probably get more customers for CloudPlatform as well if it were very
> simple to try out ACS
>
> ACS needs hobbyists and sys admins in SMBs as well in my opinion, not just
> devops people in large corporations or service providers. More people
> playing with it and in turn talking/blogging about it and raising its
> profile will help immensely. These people need to be convinced that
> #Cloudstackworks.
>
> Get packages into Debian/Ubuntu and there's an even greater audience. Grab
> the long tail and the rest of the beast comes with it.
>
We have made some progress there with a “re-factoring” of our debian packages.
But there is still work to be done
> Just my opinion btw - perhaps I'm too old-fashioned and need to learn more.
>
> Adrian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nux! [mailto:nux@li.nux.ro]
> Sent: 02 April 2015 13:01
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
> Cc: sebgoa; Paul Angus
> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
>
> Hi Adrian
>
>> Pretty sure that if getting the management server up and running was
>> as simple as...
>> 1. Install CentOS
>> 2. yum install cloudstack
>> 3. setup-cloudstack-all-in-one.sh
>> ...we'd see many more people at least trying it out.
>>
>> Some might see the current installation options as easy enough but if
>> someone could get it up and running without even looking at the docs,
>> I reckon they'd be more likely to do it and then consult the docs when
>> they got stuck.
>
> This reminds me of https://github.com/thehyperadvisor/cldstk-deploy , though
> there could certainly more/better ideas on how to ease things up, at least
> for a PoC.
> I'm sure Sebastien will quickly propose docker. :)
>
>>
>> If the packages could be put into the centos-extras repo that would do
>> the trick. I'm sure there's more to it than my simplistic idea but
>> could we discuss the viability of this?
>
> I think this will be difficult to achieve, though I am short on proper
> details, I believe the way we (in cloudstack) ship some stuff - particularly
> java stuff - is not exactly kosher from a RedHat packaging point of view.
> They have their own routine, practices and so on. Furthermore, let's say we
> get that right, keeping it up to date in their repo will also be quite an
> effort.
> I think the idea is good and in an ideal world it's how we'd do it, but
> right now with the release cadence of Cloudstack and our few resources, it's
> something that - simply - it's not worth doing.
>
>> We could do with a one-stop script that does everything for the user
>> including installing the mysql/mariadb server aspect & even setting up
>> NFS shares on the same box (leaving the other more granular setup
>> scripts for 'advanced' users. If centos-extras is not feasible, how
>> about EPEL? Might even get some Fedora people interested as well (if
>> it works on Fedora).
>
> See the ansible link I gave above.
> Re EPEL and Fedora, they're having trouble maintaining their own stuff, i.e.
> they removed openstack from there and are maintaining separate repositories
> at https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/
>
>>
>> Pretty sure that this particular CentOS SIG is about running the
>> management/infrastructure side of things as opposed to running centos
>> as a guest in case anyone is unsure. Although clearly related, earlier
>> comments about cloud-init are surely more related to another CentOS
>> SIG (Cloud
>> Instance) aren't they?
>
> Yep, CentOS Cloud Instance SIG is a different project meant to get CentOS
> running on all major cloud platforms. This one is somehow successful in that
> their official image will boot in Cloudstack and get a ssh key if one is
> set, even execute user data, but there are many bugs and other problems. Far
> from ideal; it would be great if someone with python skills would take up
> polishing the cloud-init Cloudstack source a bit, perhaps as part of GSoC.
>
> My stance on all this is, bother less with packaging or inclusion in CentOS
> official repos and focus more on getting it to work as smoothly as possible.
>
> Also, attending the CentOS events with presentations on Cloudstack is a
> great idea to raise some awareness.
>
> /imho
>
> Lucian
RE: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Adrian Lewis <ad...@alsiconsulting.co.uk>.
Hi Lucian,
This is still a very devops/developer centric approach which in my opinion
is rife within the ACS community (understandably) and which is inadvertently
hostile/elitist to many who might otherwise be interested. I think that many
regular sys admins who perhaps don't want to get involved with docker,
github, compiling stuff, running 3rd party provisioning scripts etc and just
want to run up a quick POC would end up being alienated by this - they don’t
have the time to learn these sorts of technologies if they would never use
them otherwise. Obviously to most of the audience in this list that's not
the case but I really think that there are a lot of potential (albeit likely
small) deployments out there where the admins run a mile if getting
something to work involves the word 'git' or even 'mailing-list'. These
people just go out and buy vCloud Director instead or do without. Citrix
would probably get more customers for CloudPlatform as well if it were very
simple to try out ACS.
ACS needs hobbyists and sys admins in SMBs as well in my opinion, not just
devops people in large corporations or service providers. More people
playing with it and in turn talking/blogging about it and raising its
profile will help immensely. These people need to be convinced that
#Cloudstackworks.
Get packages into Debian/Ubuntu and there's an even greater audience. Grab
the long tail and the rest of the beast comes with it.
Just my opinion btw - perhaps I'm too old-fashioned and need to learn more.
Adrian
-----Original Message-----
From: Nux! [mailto:nux@li.nux.ro]
Sent: 02 April 2015 13:01
To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org
Cc: sebgoa; Paul Angus
Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Hi Adrian
> Pretty sure that if getting the management server up and running was
> as simple as...
> 1. Install CentOS
> 2. yum install cloudstack
> 3. setup-cloudstack-all-in-one.sh
> ...we'd see many more people at least trying it out.
>
> Some might see the current installation options as easy enough but if
> someone could get it up and running without even looking at the docs,
> I reckon they'd be more likely to do it and then consult the docs when
> they got stuck.
This reminds me of https://github.com/thehyperadvisor/cldstk-deploy , though
there could certainly more/better ideas on how to ease things up, at least
for a PoC.
I'm sure Sebastien will quickly propose docker. :)
>
> If the packages could be put into the centos-extras repo that would do
> the trick. I'm sure there's more to it than my simplistic idea but
> could we discuss the viability of this?
I think this will be difficult to achieve, though I am short on proper
details, I believe the way we (in cloudstack) ship some stuff - particularly
java stuff - is not exactly kosher from a RedHat packaging point of view.
They have their own routine, practices and so on. Furthermore, let's say we
get that right, keeping it up to date in their repo will also be quite an
effort.
I think the idea is good and in an ideal world it's how we'd do it, but
right now with the release cadence of Cloudstack and our few resources, it's
something that - simply - it's not worth doing.
> We could do with a one-stop script that does everything for the user
> including installing the mysql/mariadb server aspect & even setting up
> NFS shares on the same box (leaving the other more granular setup
> scripts for 'advanced' users. If centos-extras is not feasible, how
> about EPEL? Might even get some Fedora people interested as well (if
> it works on Fedora).
See the ansible link I gave above.
Re EPEL and Fedora, they're having trouble maintaining their own stuff, i.e.
they removed openstack from there and are maintaining separate repositories
at https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/
>
> Pretty sure that this particular CentOS SIG is about running the
> management/infrastructure side of things as opposed to running centos
> as a guest in case anyone is unsure. Although clearly related, earlier
> comments about cloud-init are surely more related to another CentOS
> SIG (Cloud
> Instance) aren't they?
Yep, CentOS Cloud Instance SIG is a different project meant to get CentOS
running on all major cloud platforms. This one is somehow successful in that
their official image will boot in Cloudstack and get a ssh key if one is
set, even execute user data, but there are many bugs and other problems. Far
from ideal; it would be great if someone with python skills would take up
polishing the cloud-init Cloudstack source a bit, perhaps as part of GSoC.
My stance on all this is, bother less with packaging or inclusion in CentOS
official repos and focus more on getting it to work as smoothly as possible.
Also, attending the CentOS events with presentations on Cloudstack is a
great idea to raise some awareness.
/imho
Lucian
Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Hi Adrian
> Pretty sure that if getting the management server up and running was as
> simple as...
> 1. Install CentOS
> 2. yum install cloudstack
> 3. setup-cloudstack-all-in-one.sh
> ...we'd see many more people at least trying it out.
>
> Some might see the current installation options as easy enough but if
> someone could get it up and running without even looking at the docs, I
> reckon they'd be more likely to do it and then consult the docs when they
> got stuck.
This reminds me of https://github.com/thehyperadvisor/cldstk-deploy , though there could certainly more/better ideas on how to ease things up, at least for a PoC.
I'm sure Sebastien will quickly propose docker. :)
>
> If the packages could be put into the centos-extras repo that would do the
> trick. I'm sure there's more to it than my simplistic idea but could we
> discuss the viability of this?
I think this will be difficult to achieve, though I am short on proper details, I believe the way we (in cloudstack) ship some stuff - particularly java stuff - is not exactly kosher from a RedHat packaging point of view.
They have their own routine, practices and so on. Furthermore, let's say we get that right, keeping it up to date in their repo will also be quite an effort.
I think the idea is good and in an ideal world it's how we'd do it, but right now with the release cadence of Cloudstack and our few resources, it's something that - simply - it's not worth doing.
> We could do with a one-stop script that does
> everything for the user including installing the mysql/mariadb server aspect
> & even setting up NFS shares on the same box (leaving the other more
> granular setup scripts for 'advanced' users. If centos-extras is not
> feasible, how about EPEL? Might even get some Fedora people interested as
> well (if it works on Fedora).
See the ansible link I gave above.
Re EPEL and Fedora, they're having trouble maintaining their own stuff, i.e. they removed openstack from there and are maintaining separate repositories at
https://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/openstack/
>
> Pretty sure that this particular CentOS SIG is about running the
> management/infrastructure side of things as opposed to running centos as a
> guest in case anyone is unsure. Although clearly related, earlier comments
> about cloud-init are surely more related to another CentOS SIG (Cloud
> Instance) aren't they?
Yep, CentOS Cloud Instance SIG is a different project meant to get CentOS running on all major cloud platforms. This one is somehow successful in that their official image will boot in Cloudstack and get a ssh key if one is set, even execute user data, but there are many bugs and other problems. Far from ideal; it would be great if someone with python skills would take up polishing the cloud-init Cloudstack source a bit, perhaps as part of GSoC.
My stance on all this is, bother less with packaging or inclusion in CentOS official repos and focus more on getting it to work as smoothly as possible.
Also, attending the CentOS events with presentations on Cloudstack is a great idea to raise some awareness.
/imho
Lucian
RE: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Adrian Lewis <ad...@alsiconsulting.co.uk>.
Pretty sure that if getting the management server up and running was as
simple as...
1. Install CentOS
2. yum install cloudstack
3. setup-cloudstack-all-in-one.sh
...we'd see many more people at least trying it out.
Some might see the current installation options as easy enough but if
someone could get it up and running without even looking at the docs, I
reckon they'd be more likely to do it and then consult the docs when they
got stuck.
If the packages could be put into the centos-extras repo that would do the
trick. I'm sure there's more to it than my simplistic idea but could we
discuss the viability of this? We could do with a one-stop script that does
everything for the user including installing the mysql/mariadb server aspect
& even setting up NFS shares on the same box (leaving the other more
granular setup scripts for 'advanced' users. If centos-extras is not
feasible, how about EPEL? Might even get some Fedora people interested as
well (if it works on Fedora).
Pretty sure that this particular CentOS SIG is about running the
management/infrastructure side of things as opposed to running centos as a
guest in case anyone is unsure. Although clearly related, earlier comments
about cloud-init are surely more related to another CentOS SIG (Cloud
Instance) aren't they?
Adrian
-----Original Message-----
From: Nux! [mailto:nux@li.nux.ro]
Sent: 02 April 2015 09:20
To: sebgoa
Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org; Paul Angus
Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
BTW, if anyone has some concrete ideas/questions re Cloudstack and CentOS,
please come forth so we can mention them during the meeting.
Lucian
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Nux!
www.nux.ro
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nux!" <nu...@li.nux.ro>
> To: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>
> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, "Paul Angus" <pa...@shapeblue.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 2 April, 2015 09:08:57
> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
> Sure, I'll do my best to attend.
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, "Paul Angus" <pa...@shapeblue.com>,
>> "Nux!"
>> <nu...@li.nux.ro>
>> Sent: Thursday, 2 April, 2015 07:54:13
>> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
>
>> All, and specially Paul and Nux,
>>
>> Any chance you can join this meeting, and see what we need to do on
>> the CentOS front ?
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/27/2015 04:41 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>>>>> >On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rich Bowen<rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >A while back I mentioned to some folks (I think it was this list,
>>>>> >but it may have been a subset) that the CentOS community is
>>>>> >working on a Cloud SIG (Special Interest Group) effort. You can
>>>>> >read a little about it
>>>>> >athttp://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The idea is to ensure that cloud infrastructure software, like
>>>>> >CloudStack, OpenStack, Open Nebula, and Eucalyptus, works solidly
>>>>> >on CentOS, has all of the prerequisite packages available, gets CI on
>>>>> >the CentOS platform, and so on.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >At the moment, this is*only* OpenStack, with the other projects
>>>>> >unrepresented.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >If you are interested in adoption of CloudStack on CentOS (and,
>>>>> >by side effect, on Red Hat Enterprise Linux), we'd love to have
>>>>> >your participation in this effort.
>>>>> >
>>>> Hi Rich, thanks for the ping again.
>>>>
>>>> We have been in touch with KB (Nux! and I mostly) and submitted our
>>>> scripts for building a cloudstack centOS templates upstream. It
>>>> works and was merged at some point, but it got pulled back because we
>>>> stick some scripts in there.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line is that I feel we need to work further upstream in
>>>> cloud-init to improve cloudstack support there, once that’s done,
>>>> we can come back to the CentOS builds for cloudstack.
>>>>
>>>> fwiw, our install base is probably ~70% centOS and we already have
>>>> centOS7 support.
>>>
>>> In the OpenStack world, we see CentOS as a great way to get the
>>> message out about OpenStack. Wearing my ASF hat, I'd really like to
>>> see the same vehicle be used to get the word out about CloudStack.
>>> CentOS goes to a lot of events, and many of them are ones that
>>> CloudStack isn't at. I'd love to see the Cloud SIG be a way to get
>>> the word about CloudStack into audiences that typically only ever
>>> hear about OpenStack. (Yes, I have split loyalties here, and that's
>>> fine.)
>>>
>>> Anyways, a reminder that we will be having this meeting on
>>> #centos-devel at
>>> 15:00 UTC *tomorrow*, and it would be awesome to at least have some
>>> representation from the CloudStack community there to ask the right
>>> questions and see what we can do, on the CentOS side, to fix these
>>> cloud-init problems and bring CloudStack some more of the CentOS
>>> spotlight. Or even just show up so that folks can meet you and we
>>> can figure out if there's anything we can do to help one another.
>>>
>>> --Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> > > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
BTW, if anyone has some concrete ideas/questions re Cloudstack and CentOS, please come forth so we can mention them during the meeting.
Lucian
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----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nux!" <nu...@li.nux.ro>
> To: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>
> Cc: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, "Paul Angus" <pa...@shapeblue.com>
> Sent: Thursday, 2 April, 2015 09:08:57
> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
> Sure, I'll do my best to attend.
>
> --
> Sent from the Delta quadrant using Borg technology!
>
> Nux!
> www.nux.ro
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>
>> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, "Paul Angus" <pa...@shapeblue.com>, "Nux!"
>> <nu...@li.nux.ro>
>> Sent: Thursday, 2 April, 2015 07:54:13
>> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
>
>> All, and specially Paul and Nux,
>>
>> Any chance you can join this meeting, and see what we need to do on the CentOS
>> front ?
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/27/2015 04:41 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>>>>> >On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rich Bowen<rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >A while back I mentioned to some folks (I think it was this list, but it may
>>>>> >have been a subset) that the CentOS community is working on a Cloud SIG
>>>>> >(Special Interest Group) effort. You can read a little about it
>>>>> >athttp://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
>>>>> >
>>>>> >The idea is to ensure that cloud infrastructure software, like CloudStack,
>>>>> >OpenStack, Open Nebula, and Eucalyptus, works solidly on CentOS, has all of the
>>>>> >prerequisite packages available, gets CI on the CentOS platform, and so on.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >At the moment, this is*only* OpenStack, with the other projects unrepresented.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >If you are interested in adoption of CloudStack on CentOS (and, by side effect,
>>>>> >on Red Hat Enterprise Linux), we'd love to have your participation in this
>>>>> >effort.
>>>>> >
>>>> Hi Rich, thanks for the ping again.
>>>>
>>>> We have been in touch with KB (Nux! and I mostly) and submitted our scripts for
>>>> building a cloudstack centOS templates upstream. It works and was merged at
>>>> some point, but it got pulled back because we stick some scripts in there.
>>>>
>>>> Bottom line is that I feel we need to work further upstream in cloud-init to
>>>> improve cloudstack support there, once that’s done, we can come back to the
>>>> CentOS builds for cloudstack.
>>>>
>>>> fwiw, our install base is probably ~70% centOS and we already have centOS7
>>>> support.
>>>
>>> In the OpenStack world, we see CentOS as a great way to get the message out
>>> about OpenStack. Wearing my ASF hat, I'd really like to see the same vehicle be
>>> used to get the word out about CloudStack. CentOS goes to a lot of events, and
>>> many of them are ones that CloudStack isn't at. I'd love to see the Cloud SIG
>>> be a way to get the word about CloudStack into audiences that typically only
>>> ever hear about OpenStack. (Yes, I have split loyalties here, and that's fine.)
>>>
>>> Anyways, a reminder that we will be having this meeting on #centos-devel at
>>> 15:00 UTC *tomorrow*, and it would be awesome to at least have some
>>> representation from the CloudStack community there to ask the right questions
>>> and see what we can do, on the CentOS side, to fix these cloud-init problems
>>> and bring CloudStack some more of the CentOS spotlight. Or even just show up so
>>> that folks can meet you and we can figure out if there's anything we can do to
>>> help one another.
>>>
>>> --Rich
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> > > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Nux! <nu...@li.nux.ro>.
Sure, I'll do my best to attend.
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Nux!
www.nux.ro
----- Original Message -----
> From: "sebgoa" <ru...@gmail.com>
> To: dev@cloudstack.apache.org, "Paul Angus" <pa...@shapeblue.com>, "Nux!" <nu...@li.nux.ro>
> Sent: Thursday, 2 April, 2015 07:54:13
> Subject: Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
> All, and specially Paul and Nux,
>
> Any chance you can join this meeting, and see what we need to do on the CentOS
> front ?
>
> On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 03/27/2015 04:41 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>>>> >On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rich Bowen<rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >A while back I mentioned to some folks (I think it was this list, but it may
>>>> >have been a subset) that the CentOS community is working on a Cloud SIG
>>>> >(Special Interest Group) effort. You can read a little about it
>>>> >athttp://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
>>>> >
>>>> >The idea is to ensure that cloud infrastructure software, like CloudStack,
>>>> >OpenStack, Open Nebula, and Eucalyptus, works solidly on CentOS, has all of the
>>>> >prerequisite packages available, gets CI on the CentOS platform, and so on.
>>>> >
>>>> >At the moment, this is*only* OpenStack, with the other projects unrepresented.
>>>> >
>>>> >If you are interested in adoption of CloudStack on CentOS (and, by side effect,
>>>> >on Red Hat Enterprise Linux), we'd love to have your participation in this
>>>> >effort.
>>>> >
>>> Hi Rich, thanks for the ping again.
>>>
>>> We have been in touch with KB (Nux! and I mostly) and submitted our scripts for
>>> building a cloudstack centOS templates upstream. It works and was merged at
>>> some point, but it got pulled back because we stick some scripts in there.
>>>
>>> Bottom line is that I feel we need to work further upstream in cloud-init to
>>> improve cloudstack support there, once that’s done, we can come back to the
>>> CentOS builds for cloudstack.
>>>
>>> fwiw, our install base is probably ~70% centOS and we already have centOS7
>>> support.
>>
>> In the OpenStack world, we see CentOS as a great way to get the message out
>> about OpenStack. Wearing my ASF hat, I'd really like to see the same vehicle be
>> used to get the word out about CloudStack. CentOS goes to a lot of events, and
>> many of them are ones that CloudStack isn't at. I'd love to see the Cloud SIG
>> be a way to get the word about CloudStack into audiences that typically only
>> ever hear about OpenStack. (Yes, I have split loyalties here, and that's fine.)
>>
>> Anyways, a reminder that we will be having this meeting on #centos-devel at
>> 15:00 UTC *tomorrow*, and it would be awesome to at least have some
>> representation from the CloudStack community there to ask the right questions
>> and see what we can do, on the CentOS side, to fix these cloud-init problems
>> and bring CloudStack some more of the CentOS spotlight. Or even just show up so
>> that folks can meet you and we can figure out if there's anything we can do to
>> help one another.
>>
>> --Rich
>>
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> > http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by sebgoa <ru...@gmail.com>.
All, and specially Paul and Nux,
Any chance you can join this meeting, and see what we need to do on the CentOS front ?
On Apr 1, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 03/27/2015 04:41 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>>> >On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rich Bowen<rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >A while back I mentioned to some folks (I think it was this list, but it may have been a subset) that the CentOS community is working on a Cloud SIG (Special Interest Group) effort. You can read a little about it athttp://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
>>> >
>>> >The idea is to ensure that cloud infrastructure software, like CloudStack, OpenStack, Open Nebula, and Eucalyptus, works solidly on CentOS, has all of the prerequisite packages available, gets CI on the CentOS platform, and so on.
>>> >
>>> >At the moment, this is*only* OpenStack, with the other projects unrepresented.
>>> >
>>> >If you are interested in adoption of CloudStack on CentOS (and, by side effect, on Red Hat Enterprise Linux), we'd love to have your participation in this effort.
>>> >
>> Hi Rich, thanks for the ping again.
>>
>> We have been in touch with KB (Nux! and I mostly) and submitted our scripts for building a cloudstack centOS templates upstream. It works and was merged at some point, but it got pulled back because we stick some scripts in there.
>>
>> Bottom line is that I feel we need to work further upstream in cloud-init to improve cloudstack support there, once that’s done, we can come back to the CentOS builds for cloudstack.
>>
>> fwiw, our install base is probably ~70% centOS and we already have centOS7 support.
>
> In the OpenStack world, we see CentOS as a great way to get the message out about OpenStack. Wearing my ASF hat, I'd really like to see the same vehicle be used to get the word out about CloudStack. CentOS goes to a lot of events, and many of them are ones that CloudStack isn't at. I'd love to see the Cloud SIG be a way to get the word about CloudStack into audiences that typically only ever hear about OpenStack. (Yes, I have split loyalties here, and that's fine.)
>
> Anyways, a reminder that we will be having this meeting on #centos-devel at 15:00 UTC *tomorrow*, and it would be awesome to at least have some representation from the CloudStack community there to ask the right questions and see what we can do, on the CentOS side, to fix these cloud-init problems and bring CloudStack some more of the CentOS spotlight. Or even just show up so that folks can meet you and we can figure out if there's anything we can do to help one another.
>
> --Rich
>
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com>.
On 03/27/2015 04:41 AM, Sebastien Goasguen wrote:
>> >On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rich Bowen<rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >A while back I mentioned to some folks (I think it was this list, but it may have been a subset) that the CentOS community is working on a Cloud SIG (Special Interest Group) effort. You can read a little about it athttp://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
>> >
>> >The idea is to ensure that cloud infrastructure software, like CloudStack, OpenStack, Open Nebula, and Eucalyptus, works solidly on CentOS, has all of the prerequisite packages available, gets CI on the CentOS platform, and so on.
>> >
>> >At the moment, this is*only* OpenStack, with the other projects unrepresented.
>> >
>> >If you are interested in adoption of CloudStack on CentOS (and, by side effect, on Red Hat Enterprise Linux), we'd love to have your participation in this effort.
>> >
> Hi Rich, thanks for the ping again.
>
> We have been in touch with KB (Nux! and I mostly) and submitted our scripts for building a cloudstack centOS templates upstream. It works and was merged at some point, but it got pulled back because we stick some scripts in there.
>
> Bottom line is that I feel we need to work further upstream in cloud-init to improve cloudstack support there, once that’s done, we can come back to the CentOS builds for cloudstack.
>
> fwiw, our install base is probably ~70% centOS and we already have centOS7 support.
In the OpenStack world, we see CentOS as a great way to get the message
out about OpenStack. Wearing my ASF hat, I'd really like to see the same
vehicle be used to get the word out about CloudStack. CentOS goes to a
lot of events, and many of them are ones that CloudStack isn't at. I'd
love to see the Cloud SIG be a way to get the word about CloudStack into
audiences that typically only ever hear about OpenStack. (Yes, I have
split loyalties here, and that's fine.)
Anyways, a reminder that we will be having this meeting on #centos-devel
at 15:00 UTC *tomorrow*, and it would be awesome to at least have some
representation from the CloudStack community there to ask the right
questions and see what we can do, on the CentOS side, to fix these
cloud-init problems and bring CloudStack some more of the CentOS
spotlight. Or even just show up so that folks can meet you and we can
figure out if there's anything we can do to help one another.
--Rich
--
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
Re: CentOS Cloud SIG effort
Posted by Sebastien Goasguen <ru...@gmail.com>.
> On Mar 26, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>
> A while back I mentioned to some folks (I think it was this list, but it may have been a subset) that the CentOS community is working on a Cloud SIG (Special Interest Group) effort. You can read a little about it at http://wiki.centos.org/SpecialInterestGroup/Cloud
>
> The idea is to ensure that cloud infrastructure software, like CloudStack, OpenStack, Open Nebula, and Eucalyptus, works solidly on CentOS, has all of the prerequisite packages available, gets CI on the CentOS platform, and so on.
>
> At the moment, this is *only* OpenStack, with the other projects unrepresented.
>
> If you are interested in adoption of CloudStack on CentOS (and, by side effect, on Red Hat Enterprise Linux), we'd love to have your participation in this effort.
>
Hi Rich, thanks for the ping again.
We have been in touch with KB (Nux! and I mostly) and submitted our scripts for building a cloudstack centOS templates upstream. It works and was merged at some point, but it got pulled back because we stick some scripts in there.
Bottom line is that I feel we need to work further upstream in cloud-init to improve cloudstack support there, once that’s done, we can come back to the CentOS builds for cloudstack.
fwiw, our install base is probably ~70% centOS and we already have centOS7 support.
-sebastien
> The best way to find out how to get involved is:
>
> * Attend our weekly meeting, 15:00 UTC, on #centos-devel, on the Freenode IRC network
>
> * Join the centos-devel mailing list - http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos-devel
>
> Also, several of the CentoOS guys are likely to be at Apachecon, since several of them are based in Austin, so that's also a good time to find out more.
>
> --Rich
>
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon