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Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
The vote is about unifying all avalon dev lists to a single avalon-dev list.
The avalon-user mailing list will remain.
This means that if the proposal passes, Avalon will have just three
mailing lists:
avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-user@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-cvs@jakarta.apache.org
All traffic from these lists:
avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
Currently these are the valid votes I've counted.
Thread : http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=103838337100002&r=1&w=2
2002-11-27
+1 nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, leosimons, mcconnell,
bloritsch, stefano, giacomo
+0 crafterm
-0
-1 hammant, leif
Since (my fault) the mail subject and content has got people confused,
and since it's possible that I have counted wrong, please check the
above partial results and if you still want, cast a vote or rectify.
If I have overlooked votes, please reply with a URL of the mailing list
archive so I can check the vote.
I'll leave another day for further votes, changes and clarifications.
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Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Mauro Talevi wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>> I would like to remind that only active committer votes are binding.
>
> sure - but it should also be clear if you are seeking only the
> committers' vote or generic list member opinions.
>
> Mine was the latter.
I appreciate you stating your opinion and your non-binding vote, my
clarification was not directed to you in particular.
Thank you.
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Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> I would like to remind that only active committer votes are binding.
sure - but it should also be clear if you are seeking only the
committers' vote
or generic list member opinions.
Mine was the latter.
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Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Mauro Talevi wrote:
> Peter Donald wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:56, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>>
>>
>>> +1 nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, leosimons, mcconnell,
>>> bloritsch, stefano, giacomo
>>> +0 crafterm
>>> -0
>>> -1 hammant, leif
>>>
>>
>>
>> -1 for same reasons as hammant, leif
>>
>>
>>
> -1 as above
I would like to remind that only active committer votes are binding.
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Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Mauro Talevi <ma...@aquilonia.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
>On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:56, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>
>>+1 nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, leosimons, mcconnell,
>> bloritsch, stefano, giacomo
>>+0 crafterm
>>-0
>>-1 hammant, leif
>>
>>
>
>-1 for same reasons as hammant, leif
>
>
>
-1 as above
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RE: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Carsten Ziegeler <cz...@s-und-n.de>.
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:56, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> > +1 nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, leosimons, mcconnell,
> > bloritsch, stefano, giacomo
> > +0 crafterm
> > -0
> > -1 hammant, leif
>
+0
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Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:56, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> +1 nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, leosimons, mcconnell,
> bloritsch, stefano, giacomo
> +0 crafterm
> -0
> -1 hammant, leif
-1 for same reasons as hammant, leif
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Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 10:56, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> The vote is about unifying all avalon dev lists to a single avalon-dev list.
> The avalon-user mailing list will remain.
>
<snip/>
>
> +1 nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, leosimons, mcconnell,
> bloritsch, stefano, giacomo
> +0 crafterm
> -0
> -1 hammant, leif
>
> Since (my fault) the mail subject and content has got people confused,
> and since it's possible that I have counted wrong, please check the
> above partial results and if you still want, cast a vote or rectify.
I stated:
"
-0 for complete merge
+1 for merging avalon-apps into avalon-phoenix-dev
"
so the rectified list is:
+1 nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, mcconnell,
bloritsch, stefano, giacomo
+0 crafterm
-0 leosimons
-1 hammant, leif
cheers,
- Leo
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:55, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Peter Donald wrote:
> > Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through
> > via a simple majority vote?
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/drafts/voting.html
>
> "Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of majority rule
> unless otherwise stated. That is, if there are more favourable votes
> than unfavourable ones, the issue is considered to have passed --
> regardless of the number of votes in each category. (If the number of
> votes seems too small to be representative of a community consensus, the
> issue is typically not pursued. However, see the description of lazy
> consensus for a modifying factor.)"
great. I have a bunch of votes to prepare then ;)
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:55, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Peter Donald wrote:
> > Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through
> > via a simple majority vote?
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/drafts/voting.html
>
> "Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of majority rule
> unless otherwise stated. That is, if there are more favourable votes
> than unfavourable ones, the issue is considered to have passed --
> regardless of the number of votes in each category. (If the number of
> votes seems too small to be representative of a community consensus, the
> issue is typically not pursued. However, see the description of lazy
> consensus for a modifying factor.)"
great. I have a bunch of votes to prepare then ;)
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Tue, 3 Dec 2002 20:55, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> Peter Donald wrote:
> > Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through
> > via a simple majority vote?
>
> http://incubator.apache.org/drafts/voting.html
>
> "Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of majority rule
> unless otherwise stated. That is, if there are more favourable votes
> than unfavourable ones, the issue is considered to have passed --
> regardless of the number of votes in each category. (If the number of
> votes seems too small to be representative of a community consensus, the
> issue is typically not pursued. However, see the description of lazy
> consensus for a modifying factor.)"
great. I have a bunch of votes to prepare then ;)
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
>Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
>simple majority vote?
>
>
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
> simple majority vote?
http://incubator.apache.org/drafts/voting.html
"Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of majority rule
unless otherwise stated. That is, if there are more favourable votes
than unfavourable ones, the issue is considered to have passed --
regardless of the number of votes in each category. (If the number of
votes seems too small to be representative of a community consensus, the
issue is typically not pursued. However, see the description of lazy
consensus for a modifying factor.)"
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
> simple majority vote?
http://incubator.apache.org/drafts/voting.html
"Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of majority rule
unless otherwise stated. That is, if there are more favourable votes
than unfavourable ones, the issue is considered to have passed --
regardless of the number of votes in each category. (If the number of
votes seems too small to be representative of a community consensus, the
issue is typically not pursued. However, see the description of lazy
consensus for a modifying factor.)"
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
> simple majority vote?
http://incubator.apache.org/drafts/voting.html
"Votes on procedural issues follow the common format of majority rule
unless otherwise stated. That is, if there are more favourable votes
than unfavourable ones, the issue is considered to have passed --
regardless of the number of votes in each category. (If the number of
votes seems too small to be representative of a community consensus, the
issue is typically not pursued. However, see the description of lazy
consensus for a modifying factor.)"
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
>Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
>simple majority vote?
>
>
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
>Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
>simple majority vote?
>
>
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
simple majority vote?
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
Does this mean that any change that is not code based can be got through via a
simple majority vote?
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Sam Ruby wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>>
>> All traffic from these lists:
>>
>> avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>> avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>>
>> will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
>> lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
>>
>> Please make it happen, thank you.
>
>
> Done. Note that anybody who used different ids to subscribe to the
> different mailing lists will now get multiple copies.
I've also changed the jakarta mail links to reflect this, they will be
picked up at the next site refresh.
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Sam Ruby wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>>
>> All traffic from these lists:
>>
>> avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>> avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>>
>> will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
>> lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
>>
>> Please make it happen, thank you.
>
>
> Done. Note that anybody who used different ids to subscribe to the
> different mailing lists will now get multiple copies.
I've also changed the jakarta mail links to reflect this, they will be
picked up at the next site refresh.
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Sam Ruby wrote:
> Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
>>
>> All traffic from these lists:
>>
>> avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>> avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>>
>> will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
>> lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
>>
>> Please make it happen, thank you.
>
>
> Done. Note that anybody who used different ids to subscribe to the
> different mailing lists will now get multiple copies.
I've also changed the jakarta mail links to reflect this, they will be
picked up at the next site refresh.
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> All traffic from these lists:
>
> avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>
> will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
> lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
>
> Please make it happen, thank you.
Done. Note that anybody who used different ids to subscribe to the
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> All traffic from these lists:
>
> avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>
> will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
> lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
>
> Please make it happen, thank you.
Done. Note that anybody who used different ids to subscribe to the
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Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
>
> All traffic from these lists:
>
> avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
> avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
>
> will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
> lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
>
> Please make it happen, thank you.
Done. Note that anybody who used different ids to subscribe to the
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[RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
We have decided
o Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list
(and avalon-user remains separate)
+1: nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, mcconnell, bloritsch,
stefano, giacomo
+0: crafterm, cziegeler
-0: leosimons
-1: hammant, leif, donaldp
about unifying all avalon dev lists to a single avalon-dev list.
The avalon-user mailing list will remain.
This means that if the proposal passes, Avalon will have just three
mailing lists:
avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-user@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-cvs@jakarta.apache.org
All traffic from these lists:
avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
Please make it happen, thank you.
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Re: [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user remains separate)
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Mon, 2 Dec 2002 20:56, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> +1 nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, leosimons, mcconnell,
> bloritsch, stefano, giacomo
> +0 crafterm
> -0
> -1 hammant, leif
-1 for same reasons as hammant, leif
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[RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
We have decided
o Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list
(and avalon-user remains separate)
+1: nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, mcconnell, bloritsch,
stefano, giacomo
+0: crafterm, cziegeler
-0: leosimons
-1: hammant, leif, donaldp
about unifying all avalon dev lists to a single avalon-dev list.
The avalon-user mailing list will remain.
This means that if the proposal passes, Avalon will have just three
mailing lists:
avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-user@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-cvs@jakarta.apache.org
All traffic from these lists:
avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
Please make it happen, thank you.
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[RESULT] [VOTE] Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list (and avalon-user
remains separate)
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
We have decided
o Use a unified avalon-dev mailing list
(and avalon-user remains separate)
+1: nicolaken, neeme, leosutic, mcconnell, bloritsch,
stefano, giacomo
+0: crafterm, cziegeler
-0: leosimons
-1: hammant, leif, donaldp
about unifying all avalon dev lists to a single avalon-dev list.
The avalon-user mailing list will remain.
This means that if the proposal passes, Avalon will have just three
mailing lists:
avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-user@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-cvs@jakarta.apache.org
All traffic from these lists:
avalon-phoenix-dev@jakarta.apache.org
avalon-apps-dev@jakarta.apache.org
will be routed to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org, and users from those
lists will be automatically moved to avalon-dev@jakarta.apache.org.
Please make it happen, thank you.
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