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Posted to user@turbine.apache.org by Dave Smith <di...@dizzyd.com> on 2002/01/31 18:49:47 UTC
Version selection
Greetings..
Is there a version of turbine that is recommended for production use? I saw notes about there being a 2.2 release, but I can't seem to find that release -- has that been bypassed in lieu of a sooner 3.0 release?
Currently I'm using the 2.1 release that I stripped out of the TDK.
Thanks.
Diz
Re: Version selection
Posted by Scott Eade <se...@backstagetech.com.au>.
From: "Shaun Campbell" <sh...@virgin.net>
> Just a couple of questions. What's PI per month? Can't think what PI
stands
> for.
PI = Page Impressions
Cheers,
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Re: Version selection
Posted by Shaun Campbell <sh...@virgin.net>.
Gareth
Got the answers from your website.
PI = page impressions
Database = Oracle 8i
Timescale = 6 months
Regards
Shaun
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From: "Shaun Campbell" <sh...@virgin.net>
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Subject: Re: Version selection
> Gareth
>
> Just a couple of questions. What's PI per month? Can't think what PI
stands
> for.
>
> Secondly, what database are you using?
>
> Thirdly, how did you find Turbine and how long did the development take?
> I've tinkered with Turbine and also had a go with J2EE and JSP and I
really
> like Turbine and find the J2EE and JSP thing a complete nightmare. It
> appears that you would agree with that.
>
> Thanks
>
> Shaun
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gareth Coltman" <ga...@majorband.co.uk>
> To: "Turbine Users List" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:23 PM
> Subject: RE: Version selection
>
>
> > 12 netra X1's
> > foundry load balancer (sticky sessions)
> > serving 45 million PI per month
> > running Tomcat 3.2
> > Turbine 2.1
> >
> > Don't really want to say too much about it as this is a client system.
> >
> > check out www.rightmove.co.uk
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dave Hollar [mailto:dave-list@bizpiranha.com]
> > > Sent: 31 January 2002 18:12
> > > To: Turbine Users List
> > > Subject: Re: Version selection
> > >
> > >
> > > Gareth-
> > >
> > > How high is your volume? I'm getting away from the original topic but
> I'm
> > > curious about how people have deployed their apps in production as we
> are
> > > about to go into production and are looking at scalability.
> > > How many boxes do you have tomcat installed on and what are you using
to
> > > distribute the load?
> > >
> > > thanks-
> > > Dave
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gareth Coltman" <ga...@majorband.co.uk>
> > > To: "Turbine Users List" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:56 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Version selection
> > >
> > >
> > > > 2.1 is the current recommended release for production
> > > environments. We've
> > > > used it very successfully on high volume production sites.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Dave Smith [mailto:dizzyd@dizzyd.com]
> > > > > Sent: 31 January 2002 17:50
> > > > > To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > > > > Subject: Version selection
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Greetings..
> > > > >
> > > > > Is there a version of turbine that is recommended for production
> > > > > use? I saw notes about there being a 2.2 release, but I can't
> > > > > seem to find that release -- has that been bypassed in lieu of a
> > > > > sooner 3.0 release?
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently I'm using the 2.1 release that I stripped out of the
TDK.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Diz
> > > > >
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RE: Version selection
Posted by Gareth Coltman <ga...@majorband.co.uk>.
>
> Gareth
>
> Just a couple of questions. What's PI per month? Can't think what
> PI stands
> for.
Yep Page Impressions.
> Secondly, what database are you using?
Oracle 8i.
> Thirdly, how did you find Turbine and how long did the development take?
The length of any development is obviously effected by a lot more than just
the framework! But I will say that once developers had got the hang of
Turbine everyone said it was one of the easiest frameworks they had used,
and it certainly did speed up development.
> I've tinkered with Turbine and also had a go with J2EE and JSP
> and I really
> like Turbine and find the J2EE and JSP thing a complete nightmare. It
> appears that you would agree with that.
In my opinion there are a number of MAJOR problem with the J2EE 'standard'
model (EJB/JSP):
* Slow (new app servers are getting better)
* Steep learning curve for EJB's
* No clean seperation between layers (JSP's always end up full of code)
I looked at struts and it seems quite good, but I just don't get the point
of using JSP's if you are going to servlet controller as well. (I'm sure
I'll get flamed for this!)
Turbine has some problems too, but mainly they are just conceptual. The
problem is that too few companies have heard of it and so in typical style
they are scared! It's also difficult to get Turbine developers - but as I
said - it's easy to learn...
Gareth
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Re: Question about Turbine 2.2 and Fulcrum
Posted by Martin Poeschl <mp...@marmot.at>.
Gary Bisaga wrote:
>Hi, according to the Fulcrum web site:
>
> Fulcrum was developed as part of the Turbine Framework. It is now
>decoupled
> and can be used by itself. Starting with version 2.2 Turbine will use the
> decoupled Fulcrum.
>
>I just got Turbine from CVS and there are no references to
>org.apache.fulcrum. In a Turbine setup decoupled from Fulcrum I would expect
>there to be at least one (the place where you import the TurbineServices
>class, or perhaps in the TurbineServices class itself). Is it just that
>Turbine has been tested with the decoupled Fulcrum and the final switchover
>itself has not been made? Will it be made before final 2.2 is released?
>
turbine 2.2 will definitly use the decoupled torque and fulcrum ...
it's not finnished yet ...
just give us another 2 weeks ;-)
martin
>
>
>Thanks,
><>< gary
>
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Re: Question about Turbine 2.2 and Fulcrum
Posted by Eric Dobbs <er...@dobbse.net>.
On Friday, February 1, 2002, at 07:41 AM, Gary Bisaga wrote:
> I just got Turbine from CVS and there are no references to
> org.apache.fulcrum. In a Turbine setup decoupled from Fulcrum I would
> expect
> there to be at least one (the place where you import the TurbineServices
> class, or perhaps in the TurbineServices class itself). Is it just that
> Turbine has been tested with the decoupled Fulcrum and the final
> switchover
> itself has not been made? Will it be made before final 2.2 is released?
Yes and Yes.
-Eric
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Question about Turbine 2.2 and Fulcrum
Posted by Gary Bisaga <ga...@maximus.com>.
Hi, according to the Fulcrum web site:
Fulcrum was developed as part of the Turbine Framework. It is now
decoupled
and can be used by itself. Starting with version 2.2 Turbine will use the
decoupled Fulcrum.
I just got Turbine from CVS and there are no references to
org.apache.fulcrum. In a Turbine setup decoupled from Fulcrum I would expect
there to be at least one (the place where you import the TurbineServices
class, or perhaps in the TurbineServices class itself). Is it just that
Turbine has been tested with the decoupled Fulcrum and the final switchover
itself has not been made? Will it be made before final 2.2 is released?
Thanks,
<>< gary
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Re: Version selection
Posted by Shaun Campbell <sh...@virgin.net>.
Gareth
Just a couple of questions. What's PI per month? Can't think what PI stands
for.
Secondly, what database are you using?
Thirdly, how did you find Turbine and how long did the development take?
I've tinkered with Turbine and also had a go with J2EE and JSP and I really
like Turbine and find the J2EE and JSP thing a complete nightmare. It
appears that you would agree with that.
Thanks
Shaun
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gareth Coltman" <ga...@majorband.co.uk>
To: "Turbine Users List" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: Version selection
> 12 netra X1's
> foundry load balancer (sticky sessions)
> serving 45 million PI per month
> running Tomcat 3.2
> Turbine 2.1
>
> Don't really want to say too much about it as this is a client system.
>
> check out www.rightmove.co.uk
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Hollar [mailto:dave-list@bizpiranha.com]
> > Sent: 31 January 2002 18:12
> > To: Turbine Users List
> > Subject: Re: Version selection
> >
> >
> > Gareth-
> >
> > How high is your volume? I'm getting away from the original topic but
I'm
> > curious about how people have deployed their apps in production as we
are
> > about to go into production and are looking at scalability.
> > How many boxes do you have tomcat installed on and what are you using to
> > distribute the load?
> >
> > thanks-
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gareth Coltman" <ga...@majorband.co.uk>
> > To: "Turbine Users List" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: Version selection
> >
> >
> > > 2.1 is the current recommended release for production
> > environments. We've
> > > used it very successfully on high volume production sites.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dave Smith [mailto:dizzyd@dizzyd.com]
> > > > Sent: 31 January 2002 17:50
> > > > To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Version selection
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greetings..
> > > >
> > > > Is there a version of turbine that is recommended for production
> > > > use? I saw notes about there being a 2.2 release, but I can't
> > > > seem to find that release -- has that been bypassed in lieu of a
> > > > sooner 3.0 release?
> > > >
> > > > Currently I'm using the 2.1 release that I stripped out of the TDK.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Diz
> > > >
> > >
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Re: Version selection
Posted by Dave Hollar <da...@bizpiranha.com>.
thanks Gareth .. that's plenty to give me a rough idea
it's reassuring to see that volume being handled with turbine/tomcat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gareth Coltman" <ga...@majorband.co.uk>
To: "Turbine Users List" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:23 PM
Subject: RE: Version selection
> 12 netra X1's
> foundry load balancer (sticky sessions)
> serving 45 million PI per month
> running Tomcat 3.2
> Turbine 2.1
>
> Don't really want to say too much about it as this is a client system.
>
> check out www.rightmove.co.uk
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Hollar [mailto:dave-list@bizpiranha.com]
> > Sent: 31 January 2002 18:12
> > To: Turbine Users List
> > Subject: Re: Version selection
> >
> >
> > Gareth-
> >
> > How high is your volume? I'm getting away from the original topic but
I'm
> > curious about how people have deployed their apps in production as we
are
> > about to go into production and are looking at scalability.
> > How many boxes do you have tomcat installed on and what are you using to
> > distribute the load?
> >
> > thanks-
> > Dave
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gareth Coltman" <ga...@majorband.co.uk>
> > To: "Turbine Users List" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:56 PM
> > Subject: RE: Version selection
> >
> >
> > > 2.1 is the current recommended release for production
> > environments. We've
> > > used it very successfully on high volume production sites.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dave Smith [mailto:dizzyd@dizzyd.com]
> > > > Sent: 31 January 2002 17:50
> > > > To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > > > Subject: Version selection
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Greetings..
> > > >
> > > > Is there a version of turbine that is recommended for production
> > > > use? I saw notes about there being a 2.2 release, but I can't
> > > > seem to find that release -- has that been bypassed in lieu of a
> > > > sooner 3.0 release?
> > > >
> > > > Currently I'm using the 2.1 release that I stripped out of the TDK.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Diz
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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RE: Version selection
Posted by Gareth Coltman <ga...@majorband.co.uk>.
12 netra X1's
foundry load balancer (sticky sessions)
serving 45 million PI per month
running Tomcat 3.2
Turbine 2.1
Don't really want to say too much about it as this is a client system.
check out www.rightmove.co.uk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Hollar [mailto:dave-list@bizpiranha.com]
> Sent: 31 January 2002 18:12
> To: Turbine Users List
> Subject: Re: Version selection
>
>
> Gareth-
>
> How high is your volume? I'm getting away from the original topic but I'm
> curious about how people have deployed their apps in production as we are
> about to go into production and are looking at scalability.
> How many boxes do you have tomcat installed on and what are you using to
> distribute the load?
>
> thanks-
> Dave
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gareth Coltman" <ga...@majorband.co.uk>
> To: "Turbine Users List" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:56 PM
> Subject: RE: Version selection
>
>
> > 2.1 is the current recommended release for production
> environments. We've
> > used it very successfully on high volume production sites.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dave Smith [mailto:dizzyd@dizzyd.com]
> > > Sent: 31 January 2002 17:50
> > > To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > > Subject: Version selection
> > >
> > >
> > > Greetings..
> > >
> > > Is there a version of turbine that is recommended for production
> > > use? I saw notes about there being a 2.2 release, but I can't
> > > seem to find that release -- has that been bypassed in lieu of a
> > > sooner 3.0 release?
> > >
> > > Currently I'm using the 2.1 release that I stripped out of the TDK.
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Diz
> > >
> >
> >
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Re: Version selection
Posted by Dave Hollar <da...@bizpiranha.com>.
Gareth-
How high is your volume? I'm getting away from the original topic but I'm
curious about how people have deployed their apps in production as we are
about to go into production and are looking at scalability.
How many boxes do you have tomcat installed on and what are you using to
distribute the load?
thanks-
Dave
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From: "Gareth Coltman" <ga...@majorband.co.uk>
To: "Turbine Users List" <tu...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: Version selection
> 2.1 is the current recommended release for production environments. We've
> used it very successfully on high volume production sites.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dave Smith [mailto:dizzyd@dizzyd.com]
> > Sent: 31 January 2002 17:50
> > To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
> > Subject: Version selection
> >
> >
> > Greetings..
> >
> > Is there a version of turbine that is recommended for production
> > use? I saw notes about there being a 2.2 release, but I can't
> > seem to find that release -- has that been bypassed in lieu of a
> > sooner 3.0 release?
> >
> > Currently I'm using the 2.1 release that I stripped out of the TDK.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Diz
> >
>
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RE: Version selection
Posted by Gareth Coltman <ga...@majorband.co.uk>.
2.1 is the current recommended release for production environments. We've
used it very successfully on high volume production sites.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dave Smith [mailto:dizzyd@dizzyd.com]
> Sent: 31 January 2002 17:50
> To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
> Subject: Version selection
>
>
> Greetings..
>
> Is there a version of turbine that is recommended for production
> use? I saw notes about there being a 2.2 release, but I can't
> seem to find that release -- has that been bypassed in lieu of a
> sooner 3.0 release?
>
> Currently I'm using the 2.1 release that I stripped out of the TDK.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Diz
>
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