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Posted to user@turbine.apache.org by Lomses <lo...@yahoo.com> on 2001/04/05 04:53:57 UTC
More reference document about TDK
The document of TDK on Jakarta website is too brief for development,where
could i get more detailed document?
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Re: More reference document about TDK
Posted by Daniel Rall <dl...@collab.net>.
"Ewan Makepeace" <ew...@yahoo.com> writes:
> Just my (no doubt irritating) 2cents, and to put my money where my mouth is
> I will try to crank out some sort of getting started document for you guys
> over the next week, just as soon as I have reverse engineered your app ;-)
I'm really looking forward to the enhanced documentation! If you're
serious, I'm even willing to hand merge changes to the plain-text
displayed by your web browser the first couple times.
Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>
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RE: More reference document about TDK
Posted by Ewan Makepeace <ew...@yahoo.com>.
Jon,
My unreserved apologies - I have been lurking on the Velocity list for some
months now and am well aware of the phenomenal effort being put in by the
active developers on that project (in particular you and geir). I guess a
project that is built on the unpaid and voluntary work of coders cannot be
too pushy about who has to do the tedious jobs? Maybe as a volunteer
documenter perhaps I am a rarity? ;-)
Will turn my ironic wit to the task at hand and stop irritating you guys,
Ewan
-----Original Message-----
From: Jon Stevens [mailto:jon@latchkey.com]
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:18 AM
To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: More reference document about TDK
on 4/5/01 7:32 PM, "Ewan Makepeace" <ew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just my (no doubt irritating) 2cents, and to put my money where my mouth
is
> I will try to crank out some sort of getting started document for you guys
> over the next week, just as soon as I have reverse engineered your app ;-)
>
> Ewan
It isn't irritating, it is rude. You are bashing the kindness of others and
that isn't cool.
We are not concerned with number of users, we are concerned with producing
cool software that works for us and anyone else who is willing to use it.
Yes, getting better documentation is a priority, but putting us down for not
having it yet is not fair either.
-jon
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Re: More reference document about TDK
Posted by Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>.
on 4/5/01 7:32 PM, "Ewan Makepeace" <ew...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Just my (no doubt irritating) 2cents, and to put my money where my mouth is
> I will try to crank out some sort of getting started document for you guys
> over the next week, just as soon as I have reverse engineered your app ;-)
>
> Ewan
It isn't irritating, it is rude. You are bashing the kindness of others and
that isn't cool.
We are not concerned with number of users, we are concerned with producing
cool software that works for us and anyone else who is willing to use it.
Yes, getting better documentation is a priority, but putting us down for not
having it yet is not fair either.
-jon
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RE: More reference document about TDK
Posted by Ewan Makepeace <ew...@yahoo.com>.
I'll say it again - doesn't it break your hearts to have such a huge (and
presumably excellent) body of code available, for free as Open Source, and
not have more users? Yet even the most basic getting started tasks require
'reverse engineering the initial app' and 'reading the javadocs'. OK good
code is self documenting but sheesh!
It wouldn't be so ironic if Turbine, (and especially Velocity) were not all
about empowering the intelligent display of information on the web - yet the
web sites for these projects are the worst sort of advertising... ;-)
(oops - sorry, don't take this too seriously, and I know Apache is not some
billionaire dot com either, but surely a bit more thought on the
presentation of the whole apache.org website would be worth while?
Just my (no doubt irritating) 2cents, and to put my money where my mouth is
I will try to crank out some sort of getting started document for you guys
over the next week, just as soon as I have reverse engineered your app ;-)
Ewan
-----Original Message-----
From: fil [mailto:fil]On Behalf Of Rafal Krzewski
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 6:28 PM
To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Re: More reference document about TDK
Ewan Makepeace wrote:
> Rather than complain all the time, I am willing to write some basic
getting
> started documentation if a) someone will advise where I should send/post
it
> and
This would be *much* appreciated! Please post it to the turbine-dev
mailing
list.
> b) if some of you can give me some pointers on how to proceed beyond the
> initial TDK app.
First, you need to learn to add your own screens and actions to the
application.
Reverse engineering the intial app and reading relevant javadocs/code of
Turbine
will get you going quickly.
Then you want to lear more about layouts and navigations, that you need
to
build a consistent UI for your applications.
You might also want to learn about "Pull model" that is an alternative
way
of desiging your application - Jon wrote an article about it, it's
included
int Turbine docs.
You need to learn about Peers and Torque, to create Database persistency
for
your business objects - it's Turbines lightweight alternative to EJBs.
You need
it for building the model of your applications.
Last, you should get to know various services present in Turbine and
pick the
ones that you find usefull for building your application.
Good luck,
Rafal
--
Rafal Krzewski
Senior Internet Developer
mailto:Rafal.Krzewski@e-point.pl
+48 22 8534830 http://e-point.pl
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Re: More reference document about TDK
Posted by Rafal Krzewski <Ra...@e-point.pl>.
Ewan Makepeace wrote:
> Rather than complain all the time, I am willing to write some basic getting
> started documentation if a) someone will advise where I should send/post it
> and
This would be *much* appreciated! Please post it to the turbine-dev
mailing
list.
> b) if some of you can give me some pointers on how to proceed beyond the
> initial TDK app.
First, you need to learn to add your own screens and actions to the
application.
Reverse engineering the intial app and reading relevant javadocs/code of
Turbine
will get you going quickly.
Then you want to lear more about layouts and navigations, that you need
to
build a consistent UI for your applications.
You might also want to learn about "Pull model" that is an alternative
way
of desiging your application - Jon wrote an article about it, it's
included
int Turbine docs.
You need to learn about Peers and Torque, to create Database persistency
for
your business objects - it's Turbines lightweight alternative to EJBs.
You need
it for building the model of your applications.
Last, you should get to know various services present in Turbine and
pick the
ones that you find usefull for building your application.
Good luck,
Rafal
--
Rafal Krzewski
Senior Internet Developer
mailto:Rafal.Krzewski@e-point.pl
+48 22 8534830 http://e-point.pl
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RE: More reference document about TDK
Posted by Ewan Makepeace <ew...@yahoo.com>.
I agree. I just downloaded the TDK and somehow managed to get it installed
and running (had to guess the username/password but eventually found it
tucked away on an unrelated webpage. Managed to pollute one of my existing
databases with a dozen turbine tables though...
All your hard work is going to waste because it is just TOO hard to evaluate
the turbine package. The web page entitled 'getting started' is not really
about that at all while the TDK help file hasn't been written.
Rather than complain all the time, I am willing to write some basic getting
started documentation if a) someone will advise where I should send/post it
and b) if some of you can give me some pointers on how to proceed beyond the
initial TDK app.
rgds
Ewan
-----Original Message-----
From: Lomses [mailto:lomses@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 9:54 AM
To: turbine-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: More reference document about TDK
The document of TDK on Jakarta website is too brief for development,where
could i get more detailed document?
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