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Posted to dev@ode.apache.org by "Eugene P. Kostin" <ek...@softech.ru> on 2006/12/22 15:59:59 UTC
RE: ODE clustering support
Hi Matthieu,
Thanks for quick response! We will evaluate possibility of us contributing
on clustering. We'd appreciate if you could point us to the places where
clustering support would need to be implemented, so that we could roughly
estimate the level of effort required. And also, do you have a timeline for
fixing most severe defects and have ODE to be in official release? We
started running BPEL processes with the current builds and immediately faced
showstopper problems like inability to call multiple services. If we commit
to adding clustering support we'd like to know how it synchronizes with the
official release plan and that we will have a stable version by the time we
need to deploy it.
Thanks,
Eugene
_____
From: Matthieu Riou [mailto:matthieu.riou@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:10 PM
To: Eugene P. Kostin
Cc: arkin@intalio.com; boisvert@intalio.com; davanum@gmail.com;
cory.harper@gmail.com; mbs@intalio.com; lance.waterman@gmail.com
Subject: Re: ODE clustering support
Hi Eugene,
The work that has been done was to make clustering development possible when
necessary but for now it wasn't a really high priority. So we've added
(great work of Maciej) callback interfaces in the process store to notify
the local engine of what's happening, what's being deployed, undeployed, ...
So the interfaces are there, right now the implementations are just local.
If you're interested in that feature, you're definitely welcome to
contribute to the project. Maciej or myself can point you to the right
places in the code. I think it would mostly be making the deployment
callback interfaces network aware, so that stores deployed on each node
would notify the others and in turn notify the local engine.
So let us know if that's something you would consider and then we can go on
with the logistic part of it (i.e. submit patches and all that stuff).
BTW would you mind continuing this discussion on the ode-dev mailing list?
Most committers are already in this list but discussions are usually done on
mailing-lists in the ASF.
Thanks!
Matthieu.
On 12/21/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
Hello:
We are the team trying to select an open source BPEL engine which would be
capable to work in a cluster. We are thinking of using ODE but as we
understand clustering support is in development. The timeframe for our
project is about 6 months. Could you please let us know when we could expect
ODE to be released with clustering support?
Alternatively, is there an option for our team to contribute? We have been
looking at PXE source code and have some thoughts on how to make it run in a
cluster, but would not really want to invest effort in the engine which is
phased out in favor of ODE.
Thank you in advance for any response. We need to be making the decision
about the workflow engine real soon.
Regards,
Eugene
----------------
Eugene P. Kostin
Account Manager
Software Technologies
Tel. +7(8634)315200 x107 /9am-8pm GMT+3/
Fax +7(8634)315300
ekostin@softech.ru
www.softech.ru
Re: ODE clustering support
Posted by Maciej Szefler <mb...@intalio.com>.
Eugene,
I see... this isn't really a core ODE problem; it is a bug in the
ODE-JBI integration. I take it you are planning a JBI deployment?
-maciej
On 12/26/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
> Maciej - I was talking about this particular problem:
>
> ODE-81
> "invoking more than one service causes in 90% a NPE"
> (http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ODE-81)
>
> Thanks,
> Eugene
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Maciej Szefler [mailto:mbs@intalio.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:26 PM
> To: Eugene P. Kostin
> Cc: matthieu.riou@gmail.com; arkin@intalio.com; boisvert@intalio.com;
> davanum@gmail.com; cory.harper@gmail.com; lance.waterman@gmail.com;
> ode-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: ODE clustering support
>
> Eugene,
>
> Can you please file JIRA issues for the problems you are seeing?
>
> Thanks,
> Maciej
>
> On 12/22/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Matthieu,
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for quick response! We will evaluate possibility of us
> contributing
> > on clustering. We'd appreciate if you could point us to the places
> where
> > clustering support would need to be implemented, so that we could
> roughly
> > estimate the level of effort required. And also, do you have a
> timeline for
> > fixing most severe defects and have ODE to be in official release?
> We
> > started running BPEL processes with the current builds and
> immediately faced
> > showstopper problems like inability to call multiple services. If we
> commit
> > to adding clustering support we'd like to know how it synchronizes
> with the
> > official release plan and that we will have a stable version by the
> time we
> > need to deploy it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Eugene
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> > From: Matthieu Riou [mailto:matthieu.riou@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:10 PM
> > To: Eugene P. Kostin
> > Cc: arkin@intalio.com; boisvert@intalio.com; davanum@gmail.com;
> > cory.harper@gmail.com; mbs@intalio.com; lance.waterman@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: ODE clustering support
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Eugene,
> >
> > The work that has been done was to make clustering development
> possible
> > when necessary but for now it wasn't a really high priority. So
> we've added
> > (great work of Maciej) callback interfaces in the process store to
> notify
> > the local engine of what's happening, what's being deployed,
> undeployed, ...
> > So the interfaces are there, right now the implementations are just
> local.
> >
> > If you're interested in that feature, you're definitely welcome to
> > contribute to the project. Maciej or myself can point you to the
> right
> > places in the code. I think it would mostly be making the deployment
> > callback interfaces network aware, so that stores deployed on each
> node
> > would notify the others and in turn notify the local engine.
> >
> > So let us know if that's something you would consider and then we
> can go on
> > with the logistic part of it (i.e. submit patches and all that
> stuff).
> >
> > BTW would you mind continuing this discussion on the ode-dev
> mailing list?
> > Most committers are already in this list but discussions are usually
> done on
> > mailing-lists in the ASF.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Matthieu.
> >
> >
> > On 12/21/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> >
> >
> > We are the team trying to select an open source BPEL engine which
> would be
> > capable to work in a cluster. We are thinking of using ODE but as we
> > understand clustering support is in development. The timeframe for
> our
> > project is about 6 months. Could you please let us know when we
> could expect
> > ODE to be released with clustering support?
> >
> >
> >
> > Alternatively, is there an option for our team to contribute? We
> have been
> > looking at PXE source code and have some thoughts on how to make it
> run in a
> > cluster, but would not really want to invest effort in the engine
> which is
> > phased out in favor of ODE.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you in advance for any response. We need to be making the
> decision
> > about the workflow engine real soon.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Eugene
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------
> > Eugene P. Kostin
> > Account Manager
> >
> > Software Technologies
> >
> > Tel. +7(8634)315200 x107 /9am-8pm GMT+3/
> >
> > Fax +7(8634)315300
> >
> > ekostin@softech.ru
> >
> > www.softech.ru
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
RE: ODE clustering support
Posted by "Eugene P. Kostin" <ek...@softech.ru>.
Maciej,
I think there is an existing entry for that problem, I'll check on
that. But please let us know the general time line for moving from beta to
release stage for the project.
Thanks,
Eugene
-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej Szefler [mailto:mbs@intalio.com]
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:26 PM
To: Eugene P. Kostin
Cc: matthieu.riou@gmail.com; arkin@intalio.com; boisvert@intalio.com;
davanum@gmail.com; cory.harper@gmail.com; lance.waterman@gmail.com;
ode-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ODE clustering support
Eugene,
Can you please file JIRA issues for the problems you are seeing?
Thanks,
Maciej
On 12/22/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Matthieu,
>
>
>
> Thanks for quick response! We will evaluate possibility of us
contributing
> on clustering. We'd appreciate if you could point us to the places
where
> clustering support would need to be implemented, so that we could
roughly
> estimate the level of effort required. And also, do you have a
timeline for
> fixing most severe defects and have ODE to be in official release?
We
> started running BPEL processes with the current builds and
immediately faced
> showstopper problems like inability to call multiple services. If we
commit
> to adding clustering support we'd like to know how it synchronizes
with the
> official release plan and that we will have a stable version by the
time we
> need to deploy it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eugene
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Matthieu Riou [mailto:matthieu.riou@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:10 PM
> To: Eugene P. Kostin
> Cc: arkin@intalio.com; boisvert@intalio.com; davanum@gmail.com;
> cory.harper@gmail.com; mbs@intalio.com; lance.waterman@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: ODE clustering support
>
>
>
>
> Hi Eugene,
>
> The work that has been done was to make clustering development
possible
> when necessary but for now it wasn't a really high priority. So
we've added
> (great work of Maciej) callback interfaces in the process store to
notify
> the local engine of what's happening, what's being deployed,
undeployed, ...
> So the interfaces are there, right now the implementations are just
local.
>
> If you're interested in that feature, you're definitely welcome to
> contribute to the project. Maciej or myself can point you to the
right
> places in the code. I think it would mostly be making the deployment
> callback interfaces network aware, so that stores deployed on each
node
> would notify the others and in turn notify the local engine.
>
> So let us know if that's something you would consider and then we
can go on
> with the logistic part of it (i.e. submit patches and all that
stuff).
>
> BTW would you mind continuing this discussion on the ode-dev
mailing list?
> Most committers are already in this list but discussions are usually
done on
> mailing-lists in the ASF.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matthieu.
>
>
> On 12/21/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello:
>
>
>
> We are the team trying to select an open source BPEL engine which
would be
> capable to work in a cluster. We are thinking of using ODE but as we
> understand clustering support is in development. The timeframe for
our
> project is about 6 months. Could you please let us know when we
could expect
> ODE to be released with clustering support?
>
>
>
> Alternatively, is there an option for our team to contribute? We
have been
> looking at PXE source code and have some thoughts on how to make it
run in a
> cluster, but would not really want to invest effort in the engine
which is
> phased out in favor of ODE.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance for any response. We need to be making the
decision
> about the workflow engine real soon.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Eugene
>
>
>
> ----------------
> Eugene P. Kostin
> Account Manager
>
> Software Technologies
>
> Tel. +7(8634)315200 x107 /9am-8pm GMT+3/
>
> Fax +7(8634)315300
>
> ekostin@softech.ru
>
> www.softech.ru
>
>
>
>
>
RE: ODE clustering support
Posted by "Eugene P. Kostin" <ek...@softech.ru>.
Maciej - I was talking about this particular problem:
ODE-81
"invoking more than one service causes in 90% a NPE"
(http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/ODE-81)
Thanks,
Eugene
-----Original Message-----
From: Maciej Szefler [mailto:mbs@intalio.com]
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2006 7:26 PM
To: Eugene P. Kostin
Cc: matthieu.riou@gmail.com; arkin@intalio.com; boisvert@intalio.com;
davanum@gmail.com; cory.harper@gmail.com; lance.waterman@gmail.com;
ode-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: ODE clustering support
Eugene,
Can you please file JIRA issues for the problems you are seeing?
Thanks,
Maciej
On 12/22/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Matthieu,
>
>
>
> Thanks for quick response! We will evaluate possibility of us
contributing
> on clustering. We'd appreciate if you could point us to the places
where
> clustering support would need to be implemented, so that we could
roughly
> estimate the level of effort required. And also, do you have a
timeline for
> fixing most severe defects and have ODE to be in official release?
We
> started running BPEL processes with the current builds and
immediately faced
> showstopper problems like inability to call multiple services. If we
commit
> to adding clustering support we'd like to know how it synchronizes
with the
> official release plan and that we will have a stable version by the
time we
> need to deploy it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eugene
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Matthieu Riou [mailto:matthieu.riou@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:10 PM
> To: Eugene P. Kostin
> Cc: arkin@intalio.com; boisvert@intalio.com; davanum@gmail.com;
> cory.harper@gmail.com; mbs@intalio.com; lance.waterman@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: ODE clustering support
>
>
>
>
> Hi Eugene,
>
> The work that has been done was to make clustering development
possible
> when necessary but for now it wasn't a really high priority. So
we've added
> (great work of Maciej) callback interfaces in the process store to
notify
> the local engine of what's happening, what's being deployed,
undeployed, ...
> So the interfaces are there, right now the implementations are just
local.
>
> If you're interested in that feature, you're definitely welcome to
> contribute to the project. Maciej or myself can point you to the
right
> places in the code. I think it would mostly be making the deployment
> callback interfaces network aware, so that stores deployed on each
node
> would notify the others and in turn notify the local engine.
>
> So let us know if that's something you would consider and then we
can go on
> with the logistic part of it (i.e. submit patches and all that
stuff).
>
> BTW would you mind continuing this discussion on the ode-dev
mailing list?
> Most committers are already in this list but discussions are usually
done on
> mailing-lists in the ASF.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matthieu.
>
>
> On 12/21/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello:
>
>
>
> We are the team trying to select an open source BPEL engine which
would be
> capable to work in a cluster. We are thinking of using ODE but as we
> understand clustering support is in development. The timeframe for
our
> project is about 6 months. Could you please let us know when we
could expect
> ODE to be released with clustering support?
>
>
>
> Alternatively, is there an option for our team to contribute? We
have been
> looking at PXE source code and have some thoughts on how to make it
run in a
> cluster, but would not really want to invest effort in the engine
which is
> phased out in favor of ODE.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance for any response. We need to be making the
decision
> about the workflow engine real soon.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Eugene
>
>
>
> ----------------
> Eugene P. Kostin
> Account Manager
>
> Software Technologies
>
> Tel. +7(8634)315200 x107 /9am-8pm GMT+3/
>
> Fax +7(8634)315300
>
> ekostin@softech.ru
>
> www.softech.ru
>
>
>
>
>
Re: ODE clustering support
Posted by Maciej Szefler <mb...@intalio.com>.
Eugene,
Can you please file JIRA issues for the problems you are seeing?
Thanks,
Maciej
On 12/22/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Hi Matthieu,
>
>
>
> Thanks for quick response! We will evaluate possibility of us contributing
> on clustering. We'd appreciate if you could point us to the places where
> clustering support would need to be implemented, so that we could roughly
> estimate the level of effort required. And also, do you have a timeline for
> fixing most severe defects and have ODE to be in official release? We
> started running BPEL processes with the current builds and immediately faced
> showstopper problems like inability to call multiple services. If we commit
> to adding clustering support we'd like to know how it synchronizes with the
> official release plan and that we will have a stable version by the time we
> need to deploy it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eugene
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: Matthieu Riou [mailto:matthieu.riou@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:10 PM
> To: Eugene P. Kostin
> Cc: arkin@intalio.com; boisvert@intalio.com; davanum@gmail.com;
> cory.harper@gmail.com; mbs@intalio.com; lance.waterman@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: ODE clustering support
>
>
>
>
> Hi Eugene,
>
> The work that has been done was to make clustering development possible
> when necessary but for now it wasn't a really high priority. So we've added
> (great work of Maciej) callback interfaces in the process store to notify
> the local engine of what's happening, what's being deployed, undeployed, ...
> So the interfaces are there, right now the implementations are just local.
>
> If you're interested in that feature, you're definitely welcome to
> contribute to the project. Maciej or myself can point you to the right
> places in the code. I think it would mostly be making the deployment
> callback interfaces network aware, so that stores deployed on each node
> would notify the others and in turn notify the local engine.
>
> So let us know if that's something you would consider and then we can go on
> with the logistic part of it (i.e. submit patches and all that stuff).
>
> BTW would you mind continuing this discussion on the ode-dev mailing list?
> Most committers are already in this list but discussions are usually done on
> mailing-lists in the ASF.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matthieu.
>
>
> On 12/21/06, Eugene P. Kostin <ek...@softech.ru> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello:
>
>
>
> We are the team trying to select an open source BPEL engine which would be
> capable to work in a cluster. We are thinking of using ODE but as we
> understand clustering support is in development. The timeframe for our
> project is about 6 months. Could you please let us know when we could expect
> ODE to be released with clustering support?
>
>
>
> Alternatively, is there an option for our team to contribute? We have been
> looking at PXE source code and have some thoughts on how to make it run in a
> cluster, but would not really want to invest effort in the engine which is
> phased out in favor of ODE.
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance for any response. We need to be making the decision
> about the workflow engine real soon.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Eugene
>
>
>
> ----------------
> Eugene P. Kostin
> Account Manager
>
> Software Technologies
>
> Tel. +7(8634)315200 x107 /9am-8pm GMT+3/
>
> Fax +7(8634)315300
>
> ekostin@softech.ru
>
> www.softech.ru
>
>
>
>
>