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Posted to npanday-dev@incubator.apache.org by Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org> on 2013/11/26 18:20:24 UTC
Resigning as mentor of NPanday and also from the IPMC
Hi all
I've been one of the mentors of the NPanday podling since it began
incubation. As time has passed I am now the only mentor left.
Unfortunately I no longer have the time to mentor NPanday, and haven't
had for the past 6-8 months. Better to step down and let in some new
blood. So I hereby resign as mentor for the NPanday podling.
Since this is my only involvement in the incubator I also resign from
the incubator PMC.
--
Dennis Lundberg
Re: Resigning as mentor of NPanday and also from the IPMC
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:18 AM, AKEHURST David
<Da...@uk.thalesgroup.com> wrote:
> Can one of us get on the IPMC and then be mentor for the project ?
That's not out of the question. It doesn't happen very often, but not because
the path is particularly arduous -- it's that the IPMC tends to take notice of
people who are helping out podlings other than their own or helping out in the
Incubator at large, and not many people seem to do that while their podlings
are still in incubation.
Now, you have got a ringer in there -- Brett Porter is a member of the IPMC
already. But Brett is also the current Chair of the ASF Board of Directors.
It's great that you have someone so experienced taking part as a contributor,
but Brett can't carry NPanday. We already have a pretty good idea about
Brett; what remains to be seen is what the rest of you are capable of.
To get NPanday towards graduation, several of its community members will have
to acquire sufficient expertise in the loose collection of knowledge we call
the "Apache Way". This is the same curriculum that IPMC members need to know,
just more thoroughly. Here's a post with some tips on picking it up:
<http://s.apache.org/A5K>.
This is a great opportunity for people to step in and become primary
maintainers for an Apache project -- which is excellent experience, both
practically and in terms of your professional reputation. Creating a useful
software product and getting it into the Incubator is no mean feat, and that's
all taken care of already.
Marvin Humphrey
Re: Resigning as mentor of NPanday and also from the IPMC
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 12:18 AM, AKEHURST David
<Da...@uk.thalesgroup.com> wrote:
> Can one of us get on the IPMC and then be mentor for the project ?
That's not out of the question. It doesn't happen very often, but not because
the path is particularly arduous -- it's that the IPMC tends to take notice of
people who are helping out podlings other than their own or helping out in the
Incubator at large, and not many people seem to do that while their podlings
are still in incubation.
Now, you have got a ringer in there -- Brett Porter is a member of the IPMC
already. But Brett is also the current Chair of the ASF Board of Directors.
It's great that you have someone so experienced taking part as a contributor,
but Brett can't carry NPanday. We already have a pretty good idea about
Brett; what remains to be seen is what the rest of you are capable of.
To get NPanday towards graduation, several of its community members will have
to acquire sufficient expertise in the loose collection of knowledge we call
the "Apache Way". This is the same curriculum that IPMC members need to know,
just more thoroughly. Here's a post with some tips on picking it up:
<http://s.apache.org/A5K>.
This is a great opportunity for people to step in and become primary
maintainers for an Apache project -- which is excellent experience, both
practically and in terms of your professional reputation. Creating a useful
software product and getting it into the Incubator is no mean feat, and that's
all taken care of already.
Marvin Humphrey
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RE: Resigning as mentor of NPanday and also from the IPMC
Posted by AKEHURST David <Da...@uk.thalesgroup.com>.
Can one of us get on the IPMC and then be mentor for the project ?
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From: Marvin Humphrey [mailto:marvin@rectangular.com]
Sent: 27 November 2013 01:36
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: npanday-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Resigning as mentor of NPanday and also from the IPMC
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've been one of the mentors of the NPanday podling since it began
> incubation. As time has passed I am now the only mentor left.
> Unfortunately I no longer have the time to mentor NPanday, and haven't
> had for the past 6-8 months. Better to step down and let in some new
> blood. So I hereby resign as mentor for the NPanday podling.
>
> Since this is my only involvement in the incubator I also resign from
> the incubator PMC.
Best wishes, Dennis. Thank you for your past contributions.
NPanday community,
I've been browsing through your list archives and there seem to be signs of
life, with participation from David Akehurst, Lars Corneliussen, Brett Porter,
and Christofer Dutz. We can't let a podling with no Mentors to oversee it
persist for very long, though -- someone from the IPMC needs to be persuaded
to sign up. The podling's best shot at recruiting someone is to demonstrate
through action that they are bound and determined to create a healthy Apache
community around their codebase. That's how VXQuery, another podling at a
crossroads six months ago, brought some people on board.
A good start would be to file a detailed status report next week. Ideally,
the report would tell us about your plan for the future the podling, but there
is probably not enough time to formulate such a plan between now and then.
Instead, please describe your options, what the decision making process will
be and who is taking part.
I see that the prospect of sending JIRA notifications to the dev list instead
of the commits list is under consideration. Though I dislike issue tracker
development much as Lars dislikes mailing lists ;) I think that's a good idea
in your case -- it's a common pattern around the ASF.
I also read that there's a fair amount of back-channel discussion happening
via Skype and so on. That's not uncommon[1], but let's be clear: if decisions
aren't being made on the dev list, you don't have open governance and you
don't have an Apache community. Furthermore, hiding your traffic hurts
participation and recruitment because it makes it seem like the project is
dead. Fixing that problem is very important.
Lastly, though I suspect you will reject it, I think you should evaluate
retirement as an option. Retirement is not what we plan for when a podling
enters incubation, but all software has a lifecycle and if the Incubator only
accepted projects guaranteed to graduate, Apache would be a less interesting
place. For what it's worth, two projects have voted to retire themselves
recently (Tashi, Provisionr), while another decided to redouble its efforts
(VXQuery). If nothing else, weighing retirement against a project reboot may
flush some more lurkers out of hiding or persuade one of the current
contributors to take the lead.
Marvin Humphrey
[1] Here's a message I sent to vxquery-dev about the same subject with many
links to other articles: http://s.apache.org/exA
Re: Resigning as mentor of NPanday and also from the IPMC
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've been one of the mentors of the NPanday podling since it began
> incubation. As time has passed I am now the only mentor left.
> Unfortunately I no longer have the time to mentor NPanday, and haven't
> had for the past 6-8 months. Better to step down and let in some new
> blood. So I hereby resign as mentor for the NPanday podling.
>
> Since this is my only involvement in the incubator I also resign from
> the incubator PMC.
Best wishes, Dennis. Thank you for your past contributions.
NPanday community,
I've been browsing through your list archives and there seem to be signs of
life, with participation from David Akehurst, Lars Corneliussen, Brett Porter,
and Christofer Dutz. We can't let a podling with no Mentors to oversee it
persist for very long, though -- someone from the IPMC needs to be persuaded
to sign up. The podling's best shot at recruiting someone is to demonstrate
through action that they are bound and determined to create a healthy Apache
community around their codebase. That's how VXQuery, another podling at a
crossroads six months ago, brought some people on board.
A good start would be to file a detailed status report next week. Ideally,
the report would tell us about your plan for the future the podling, but there
is probably not enough time to formulate such a plan between now and then.
Instead, please describe your options, what the decision making process will
be and who is taking part.
I see that the prospect of sending JIRA notifications to the dev list instead
of the commits list is under consideration. Though I dislike issue tracker
development much as Lars dislikes mailing lists ;) I think that's a good idea
in your case -- it's a common pattern around the ASF.
I also read that there's a fair amount of back-channel discussion happening
via Skype and so on. That's not uncommon[1], but let's be clear: if decisions
aren't being made on the dev list, you don't have open governance and you
don't have an Apache community. Furthermore, hiding your traffic hurts
participation and recruitment because it makes it seem like the project is
dead. Fixing that problem is very important.
Lastly, though I suspect you will reject it, I think you should evaluate
retirement as an option. Retirement is not what we plan for when a podling
enters incubation, but all software has a lifecycle and if the Incubator only
accepted projects guaranteed to graduate, Apache would be a less interesting
place. For what it's worth, two projects have voted to retire themselves
recently (Tashi, Provisionr), while another decided to redouble its efforts
(VXQuery). If nothing else, weighing retirement against a project reboot may
flush some more lurkers out of hiding or persuade one of the current
contributors to take the lead.
Marvin Humphrey
[1] Here's a message I sent to vxquery-dev about the same subject with many
links to other articles: http://s.apache.org/exA
Re: Resigning as mentor of NPanday and also from the IPMC
Posted by Raphael Bircher <r....@gmx.ch>.
Hi Dennis
Thanks for your work in the past, and good look for the future.
Hereby I offer my help as a Mentor. But I would realy be lucky to have a
other, more experianced Mentor at my side.
Greetings Raphael
Am 26.11.13 19:20, schrieb Dennis Lundberg:
> Hi all
>
> I've been one of the mentors of the NPanday podling since it began
> incubation. As time has passed I am now the only mentor left.
> Unfortunately I no longer have the time to mentor NPanday, and haven't
> had for the past 6-8 months. Better to step down and let in some new
> blood. So I hereby resign as mentor for the NPanday podling.
>
> Since this is my only involvement in the incubator I also resign from
> the incubator PMC.
>
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Re: Resigning as mentor of NPanday and also from the IPMC
Posted by Marvin Humphrey <ma...@rectangular.com>.
On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Lundberg <de...@apache.org> wrote:
> I've been one of the mentors of the NPanday podling since it began
> incubation. As time has passed I am now the only mentor left.
> Unfortunately I no longer have the time to mentor NPanday, and haven't
> had for the past 6-8 months. Better to step down and let in some new
> blood. So I hereby resign as mentor for the NPanday podling.
>
> Since this is my only involvement in the incubator I also resign from
> the incubator PMC.
Best wishes, Dennis. Thank you for your past contributions.
NPanday community,
I've been browsing through your list archives and there seem to be signs of
life, with participation from David Akehurst, Lars Corneliussen, Brett Porter,
and Christofer Dutz. We can't let a podling with no Mentors to oversee it
persist for very long, though -- someone from the IPMC needs to be persuaded
to sign up. The podling's best shot at recruiting someone is to demonstrate
through action that they are bound and determined to create a healthy Apache
community around their codebase. That's how VXQuery, another podling at a
crossroads six months ago, brought some people on board.
A good start would be to file a detailed status report next week. Ideally,
the report would tell us about your plan for the future the podling, but there
is probably not enough time to formulate such a plan between now and then.
Instead, please describe your options, what the decision making process will
be and who is taking part.
I see that the prospect of sending JIRA notifications to the dev list instead
of the commits list is under consideration. Though I dislike issue tracker
development much as Lars dislikes mailing lists ;) I think that's a good idea
in your case -- it's a common pattern around the ASF.
I also read that there's a fair amount of back-channel discussion happening
via Skype and so on. That's not uncommon[1], but let's be clear: if decisions
aren't being made on the dev list, you don't have open governance and you
don't have an Apache community. Furthermore, hiding your traffic hurts
participation and recruitment because it makes it seem like the project is
dead. Fixing that problem is very important.
Lastly, though I suspect you will reject it, I think you should evaluate
retirement as an option. Retirement is not what we plan for when a podling
enters incubation, but all software has a lifecycle and if the Incubator only
accepted projects guaranteed to graduate, Apache would be a less interesting
place. For what it's worth, two projects have voted to retire themselves
recently (Tashi, Provisionr), while another decided to redouble its efforts
(VXQuery). If nothing else, weighing retirement against a project reboot may
flush some more lurkers out of hiding or persuade one of the current
contributors to take the lead.
Marvin Humphrey
[1] Here's a message I sent to vxquery-dev about the same subject with many
links to other articles: http://s.apache.org/exA
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