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Posted to dev@cordova.apache.org by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> on 2012/03/23 19:18:50 UTC
Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
According to https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
days...
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
not sure if we have acces to it but the imei would be 'the mobile thing todo'.
but I like app package name === guid
has symmetry
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Bryce Curtis <cu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
> it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
> around somewhere.
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>
>> like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
>>
>> really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
>> > use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
>> > folder names.
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
>> >> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>> >>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
>> that
>> >>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
>> all
>> >>> we can do, really.
>> >>>
>> >>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>> >>>>persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>> >>>>re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>> >>>>installation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Cheers,
>> >>>> Jesse
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Sent from my iPhone5
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>> >>>>wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Darn.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>> >>>>> homebrewed API.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> [1]
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>> >>>>>uid
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> According to
>> >>>>>>https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>> >>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>> >>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>> >>>>>> days...
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>
>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>.
Yeah Bada 1.2 uses IMEI as uuid and Bada 2.0 will too. It sucks that Apple
locks that down but your guid+appid suggestion are the only option for now
I think.
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Jesse MacFadyen <pu...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Imei is not avail for the same reason as uuid isn't. At least on ios.
> I would expect any method of uniquely identifying a device to be
> locked down soon, even if it isn't yet.
> I wish apple would just hash the uuid and the appid, the only threat
> is really from ad provider sdks because they presumably get a deeper
> view of the device across multiple apps. uuid+appid would solve this,
> assuming a one way hash.
>
> I believe cordova Bada uses imei already. Anis?
>
> On WP7, an app will have the same virtual path regardless of what
> device it is on. Security sandbox prevents querying the real path,
> although you can see it when debugging in vs, it is not accessible to
> code.
>
> Cheers,
> Jesse
>
> Sent from my iPhone5
>
> On 2012-03-23, at 1:44 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>
> > can you get access to the pkg name ala ios/android?
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
> > <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
> >> on iPhone.
> >>
> >> Same for nic and any other device specific value.
> >>
> >> Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
> >> deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
> >>
> >> File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed
> wpapp://
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jesse
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone5
> >>
> >> On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <cu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or
> MD5 of
> >>> it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
> >>> around somewhere.
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
> >>>>
> >>>> really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
> >>>>> use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs
> for
> >>>>> folder names.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is
> implementation
> >>>>>> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now.
> Back
> >>>> that
> >>>>>>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think
> that's
> >>>> all
> >>>>>>> we can do, really.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
> >>>>>>>> persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not
> survive a
> >>>>>>>> re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
> >>>>>>>> installation.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Jesse
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone5
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <
> michael@michaelbrooks.ca>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Darn.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a
> PhoneGap
> >>>>>>>>> homebrewed API.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>
> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
> >>>>>>>>> uid
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> According to
> >>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
> >>>>>>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate
> this:
> >>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue.
> Apple is
> >>>>>>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
> >>>>>>>>>> days...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Jesse MacFadyen <pu...@gmail.com>.
Imei is not avail for the same reason as uuid isn't. At least on ios.
I would expect any method of uniquely identifying a device to be
locked down soon, even if it isn't yet.
I wish apple would just hash the uuid and the appid, the only threat
is really from ad provider sdks because they presumably get a deeper
view of the device across multiple apps. uuid+appid would solve this,
assuming a one way hash.
I believe cordova Bada uses imei already. Anis?
On WP7, an app will have the same virtual path regardless of what
device it is on. Security sandbox prevents querying the real path,
although you can see it when debugging in vs, it is not accessible to
code.
Cheers,
Jesse
Sent from my iPhone5
On 2012-03-23, at 1:44 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> can you get access to the pkg name ala ios/android?
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
> <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
>> on iPhone.
>>
>> Same for nic and any other device specific value.
>>
>> Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
>> deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
>>
>> File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed wpapp://
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jesse
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone5
>>
>> On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <cu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
>>> it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
>>> around somewhere.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>>>
>>>> like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
>>>>
>>>> really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
>>>>> use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
>>>>> folder names.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
>>>>>> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
>>>> that
>>>>>>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
>>>> all
>>>>>>> we can do, really.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>>>>>>>> persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>>>>>>>> re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>>>>>>>> installation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Jesse
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone5
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Darn.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>>>>>>>>> homebrewed API.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>>>>>>>>> uid
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> According to
>>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>>>>>>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>>>>>>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>>>>>>>>>> days...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
can you get access to the pkg name ala ios/android?
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
<pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
> on iPhone.
>
> Same for nic and any other device specific value.
>
> Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
> deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
>
> File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed wpapp://
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jesse
>
> Sent from my iPhone5
>
> On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <cu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
>> it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
>> around somewhere.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>>
>>> like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
>>>
>>> really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
>>>> use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
>>>> folder names.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
>>>>> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
>>> that
>>>>>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
>>> all
>>>>>> we can do, really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>>>>>>> persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>>>>>>> re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>>>>>>> installation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Jesse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Darn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>>>>>>>> homebrewed API.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>>>>>>>> uid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> According to
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>>>>>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>>>>>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>>>>>>>>> days...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Josh Marinacci <jo...@marinacci.org>.
BTW, this is true for other devices besides Apple. webOS devices were the same. The device ID would not survive beyond a full reset.
--
Josh Marinacci
joshondesign.com
On Friday, March 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Josh Marinacci wrote:
> Apple doesn't want you to have a way of uniquely permanently identifying a device. Any method you find to do this will eventually be closed. It probably isn't what you want anyway. What are you really trying to track? The user or the device? For example, what happens if the user's phone is destroyed and they reinstall the app on a new device. It's the same user and same app and same data, but a different device. Or what if they have two devices running the same app (iPhone and iPad). Instead you should create and save some sort of unique identifier the first time the app is installed. Reference this to uniquely identify this *particular* install of the *app* on this *particular* device. If you need something that survives across app installs and devices then you should create a server based user account and let the user identify themselves upon reinstall (ex: Facebook, twitter, etc.)
>
> --
> Josh Marinacci
> joshondesign.com (http://joshondesign.com)
>
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Shazron wrote:
>
> > Actually - we could get the nic address on iOS through some BSD API
> > (legitimately). Until Apple bans it of course - which I figure they
> > would if people start using this as the UUID now - so the risk is high
> > if we use the mac address.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
> > <purplecabbage@gmail.com (mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
> > > on iPhone.
> > >
> > > Same for nic and any other device specific value.
> > >
> > > Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
> > > deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
> > >
> > > File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed wpapp://
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Jesse
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone5
> > >
> > > On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <curtis.bryce@gmail.com (mailto:curtis.bryce@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
> > > > it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
> > > > around somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io (mailto:b@brian.io)> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
> > > > >
> > > > > really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
> > > > > > use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
> > > > > > folder names.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
> > > > > > > details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com (mailto:fil@adobe.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > > we can do, really.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <purplecabbage@gmail.com (mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com)>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
> > > > > > > > > persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
> > > > > > > > > re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
> > > > > > > > > installation.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > > Jesse
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone5
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <michael@michaelbrooks.ca (mailto:michael@michaelbrooks.ca)>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Darn.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
> > > > > > > > > > homebrewed API.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
> > > > > > > > > > uid
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > According to
> > > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
> > > > > > > > > > > Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
> > > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
> > > > > > > > > > > sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
> > > > > > > > > > > days...
> > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Anis KADRI <an...@gmail.com>.
Yes, those are the only two options: unique device ID or user account.
Problem is most users don't want to create user accounts for every app.
Device ID is more transparent to the user.
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Josh - that's what I've been warning people about in the Google
> Groups. We are just filling in functionality that we promised in the
> API for device.uuid going forward. Obviously the doc description for
> the property and expectations will change. Devs will have to adjust.
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Josh Marinacci <jo...@marinacci.org>
> wrote:
> > Apple doesn't want you to have a way of uniquely permanently identifying
> a device. Any method you find to do this will eventually be closed. It
> probably isn't what you want anyway. What are you really trying to track?
> The user or the device? For example, what happens if the user's phone is
> destroyed and they reinstall the app on a new device. It's the same user
> and same app and same data, but a different device. Or what if they have
> two devices running the same app (iPhone and iPad). Instead you should
> create and save some sort of unique identifier the first time the app is
> installed. Reference this to uniquely identify this *particular* install of
> the *app* on this *particular* device. If you need something that survives
> across app installs and devices then you should create a server based user
> account and let the user identify themselves upon reinstall (ex: Facebook,
> twitter, etc.)
> >
> > --
> > Josh Marinacci
> > joshondesign.com
> >
> >
> > On Friday, March 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Shazron wrote:
> >
> >> Actually - we could get the nic address on iOS through some BSD API
> >> (legitimately). Until Apple bans it of course - which I figure they
> >> would if people start using this as the UUID now - so the risk is high
> >> if we use the mac address.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
> >> <purplecabbage@gmail.com (mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >> > iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
> >> > on iPhone.
> >> >
> >> > Same for nic and any other device specific value.
> >> >
> >> > Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
> >> > deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
> >> >
> >> > File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed
> wpapp://
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Jesse
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my iPhone5
> >> >
> >> > On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <curtis.bryce@gmail.com(mailto:
> curtis.bryce@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or
> MD5 of
> >> > > it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then
> stash it
> >> > > around somewhere.
> >> > >
> >> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io (mailto:
> b@brian.io)> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
> >> > > >
> >> > > > really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com(mailto:
> shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >> > > > > Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could
> just
> >> > > > > use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use
> GUIDs for
> >> > > > > folder names.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com(mailto:
> shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >> > > > > > Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is
> implementation
> >> > > > > > details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com(mailto:
> fil@adobe.com)> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for
> now. Back
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > > > up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I
> think that's
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > all
> >> > > > > > > we can do, really.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <
> purplecabbage@gmail.com (mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com)>
> >> > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available.
> Guid is
> >> > > > > > > > persistent and is only generated on first run. This will
> not survive a
> >> > > > > > > > re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
> >> > > > > > > > installation.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> >> > > > > > > > Jesse
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone5
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <
> michael@michaelbrooks.ca (mailto:michael@michaelbrooks.ca)>
> >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Darn.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1]
> It's a PhoneGap
> >> > > > > > > > > homebrewed API.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > [1]
> >> > > >
> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
> >> > > > > > > > > uid
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <
> shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > According to
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
> >> > > > > > > > > > Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will
> accelerate this:
> >> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big
> issue. Apple is
> >> > > > > > > > > > sure keeping me busy working around their policies /
> bugs these
> >> > > > > > > > > > days...
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Josh - that's what I've been warning people about in the Google
Groups. We are just filling in functionality that we promised in the
API for device.uuid going forward. Obviously the doc description for
the property and expectations will change. Devs will have to adjust.
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Josh Marinacci <jo...@marinacci.org> wrote:
> Apple doesn't want you to have a way of uniquely permanently identifying a device. Any method you find to do this will eventually be closed. It probably isn't what you want anyway. What are you really trying to track? The user or the device? For example, what happens if the user's phone is destroyed and they reinstall the app on a new device. It's the same user and same app and same data, but a different device. Or what if they have two devices running the same app (iPhone and iPad). Instead you should create and save some sort of unique identifier the first time the app is installed. Reference this to uniquely identify this *particular* install of the *app* on this *particular* device. If you need something that survives across app installs and devices then you should create a server based user account and let the user identify themselves upon reinstall (ex: Facebook, twitter, etc.)
>
> --
> Josh Marinacci
> joshondesign.com
>
>
> On Friday, March 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Shazron wrote:
>
>> Actually - we could get the nic address on iOS through some BSD API
>> (legitimately). Until Apple bans it of course - which I figure they
>> would if people start using this as the UUID now - so the risk is high
>> if we use the mac address.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
>> <purplecabbage@gmail.com (mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
>> > on iPhone.
>> >
>> > Same for nic and any other device specific value.
>> >
>> > Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
>> > deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
>> >
>> > File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed wpapp://
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Jesse
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone5
>> >
>> > On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <curtis.bryce@gmail.com (mailto:curtis.bryce@gmail.com)> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
>> > > it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
>> > > around somewhere.
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io (mailto:b@brian.io)> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
>> > > >
>> > > > really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
>> > > >
>> > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > > > > Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
>> > > > > use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
>> > > > > folder names.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > > > > > Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
>> > > > > > details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com (mailto:fil@adobe.com)> wrote:
>> > > > > > > Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > that
>> > > > > > > up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > all
>> > > > > > > we can do, really.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <purplecabbage@gmail.com (mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com)>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>> > > > > > > > persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>> > > > > > > > re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>> > > > > > > > installation.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > > > > > Jesse
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone5
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <michael@michaelbrooks.ca (mailto:michael@michaelbrooks.ca)>
>> > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Darn.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>> > > > > > > > > homebrewed API.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > [1]
>> > > > http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>> > > > > > > > > uid
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > According to
>> > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>> > > > > > > > > > Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>> > > > > > > > > > sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>> > > > > > > > > > days...
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>>
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>
>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Josh Marinacci <jo...@marinacci.org>.
Apple doesn't want you to have a way of uniquely permanently identifying a device. Any method you find to do this will eventually be closed. It probably isn't what you want anyway. What are you really trying to track? The user or the device? For example, what happens if the user's phone is destroyed and they reinstall the app on a new device. It's the same user and same app and same data, but a different device. Or what if they have two devices running the same app (iPhone and iPad). Instead you should create and save some sort of unique identifier the first time the app is installed. Reference this to uniquely identify this *particular* install of the *app* on this *particular* device. If you need something that survives across app installs and devices then you should create a server based user account and let the user identify themselves upon reinstall (ex: Facebook, twitter, etc.)
--
Josh Marinacci
joshondesign.com
On Friday, March 23, 2012 at 3:09 PM, Shazron wrote:
> Actually - we could get the nic address on iOS through some BSD API
> (legitimately). Until Apple bans it of course - which I figure they
> would if people start using this as the UUID now - so the risk is high
> if we use the mac address.
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
> <purplecabbage@gmail.com (mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
> > on iPhone.
> >
> > Same for nic and any other device specific value.
> >
> > Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
> > deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
> >
> > File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed wpapp://
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Jesse
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone5
> >
> > On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <curtis.bryce@gmail.com (mailto:curtis.bryce@gmail.com)> wrote:
> >
> > > Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
> > > it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
> > > around somewhere.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b@brian.io (mailto:b@brian.io)> wrote:
> > >
> > > > like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
> > > >
> > > > really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
> > > > > use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
> > > > > folder names.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
> > > > > > details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fil@adobe.com (mailto:fil@adobe.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > that
> > > > > > > up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > all
> > > > > > > we can do, really.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <purplecabbage@gmail.com (mailto:purplecabbage@gmail.com)>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
> > > > > > > > persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
> > > > > > > > re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
> > > > > > > > installation.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Cheers,
> > > > > > > > Jesse
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone5
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <michael@michaelbrooks.ca (mailto:michael@michaelbrooks.ca)>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Darn.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
> > > > > > > > > homebrewed API.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
> > > > > > > > > uid
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <shazron@gmail.com (mailto:shazron@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > According to
> > > > > > > > > > https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
> > > > > > > > > > Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
> > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
> > > > > > > > > > sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
> > > > > > > > > > days...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Actually - we could get the nic address on iOS through some BSD API
(legitimately). Until Apple bans it of course - which I figure they
would if people start using this as the UUID now - so the risk is high
if we use the mac address.
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Jesse MacFadyen
<pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
> on iPhone.
>
> Same for nic and any other device specific value.
>
> Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
> deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
>
> File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed wpapp://
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Jesse
>
> Sent from my iPhone5
>
> On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <cu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
>> it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
>> around somewhere.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>>
>>> like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
>>>
>>> really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
>>>> use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
>>>> folder names.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
>>>>> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
>>> that
>>>>>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
>>> all
>>>>>> we can do, really.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>>>>>>> persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>>>>>>> re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>>>>>>> installation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Jesse
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone5
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Darn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>>>>>>>> homebrewed API.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>>>>>>>> uid
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> According to
>>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>>>>>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>>>>>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>>>>>>>>> days...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Jesse MacFadyen <pu...@gmail.com>.
iPads and iPods don't have phone numbers and there is no API to get it
on iPhone.
Same for nic and any other device specific value.
Re: file path, is the guid per install, or is it really just a hash of
deviceId and appId? Does it survive app updates? resync's?
File path is not a guid on WP7, in fact it is unknown. Sandboxed wpapp://
Cheers,
Jesse
Sent from my iPhone5
On 2012-03-23, at 1:23 PM, Bryce Curtis <cu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
> it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
> around somewhere.
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
>
>> like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
>>
>> really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
>>> use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
>>> folder names.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
>>>> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>>>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
>> that
>>>>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
>> all
>>>>> we can do, really.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>>>>>> persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>>>>>> re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>>>>>> installation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Jesse
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone5
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Darn.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>>>>>>> homebrewed API.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>>>>>>> uid
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to
>>>>>>>> https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>>>>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>>>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>>>>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>>>>>>>> days...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Bryce Curtis <cu...@gmail.com>.
Just an idea, but is there something else, like the phone number or MD5 of
it, that could be used - so you don't have to gen one and then stash it
around somewhere.
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io> wrote:
> like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
>
> really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
> > use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
> > folder names.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
> >> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back
> that
> >>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's
> all
> >>> we can do, really.
> >>>
> >>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
> >>>>persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
> >>>>re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
> >>>>installation.
> >>>>
> >>>>Cheers,
> >>>> Jesse
> >>>>
> >>>>Sent from my iPhone5
> >>>>
> >>>>On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
> >>>>wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Darn.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
> >>>>> homebrewed API.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
> >>>>>uid
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> According to
> >>>>>>https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
> >>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
> >>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
> >>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
> >>>>>> days...
> >>>>>>
> >>>
>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Brian LeRoux <b...@brian.io>.
like that idea shaz --- good symmetry
really, the same could be said for all apps/platforms
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
> use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
> folder names.
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
>> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back that
>>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's all
>>> we can do, really.
>>>
>>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>>>>persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>>>>re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>>>>installation.
>>>>
>>>>Cheers,
>>>> Jesse
>>>>
>>>>Sent from my iPhone5
>>>>
>>>>On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Darn.
>>>>>
>>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>>>>> homebrewed API.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>>
>>>>>http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>>>>>uid
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> According to
>>>>>>https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>>>>>> days...
>>>>>>
>>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Here's an idea - since the app folder name is a GUID, we could just
use that? This will only "break" if Apple decides to not use GUIDs for
folder names.
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
> details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
>> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back that
>> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's all
>> we can do, really.
>>
>> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>>>persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>>>re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>>>installation.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>> Jesse
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone5
>>>
>>>On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Darn.
>>>>
>>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>>>> homebrewed API.
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>>
>>>>http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>>>>uid
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> According to
>>>>>https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>>>>
>>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>>>>> days...
>>>>>
>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
Yup - that is the only approach really. All the rest is implementation
details (keychain or iCloud or some doohickey)
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:44 AM, Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com> wrote:
> Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back that
> up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's all
> we can do, really.
>
> On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>>persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>>re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>>installation.
>>
>>Cheers,
>> Jesse
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone5
>>
>>On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Darn.
>>>
>>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>>> homebrewed API.
>>>
>>> [1]
>>>
>>>http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>>>uid
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> According to
>>>>https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>>>
>>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>>>> days...
>>>>
>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Filip Maj <fi...@adobe.com>.
Sounds like the WP7/GUID approach is the best we can do for now. Back that
up with a new Quirk in the Device API documentation and I think that's all
we can do, really.
On 3/23/12 11:42 AM, "Jesse MacFadyen" <pu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
>persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
>re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
>installation.
>
>Cheers,
> Jesse
>
>Sent from my iPhone5
>
>On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>
>wrote:
>
>> Darn.
>>
>> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
>> homebrewed API.
>>
>> [1]
>>
>>http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.u
>>uid
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> According to
>>>https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>>
>>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>>> days...
>>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Jesse MacFadyen <pu...@gmail.com>.
WP7 generates a guid if the device I'd is not available. Guid is
persistent and is only generated on first run. This will not survive a
re-install of the app, but does identify a particular app
installation.
Cheers,
Jesse
Sent from my iPhone5
On 2012-03-23, at 11:31 AM, Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
> Darn.
>
> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
> homebrewed API.
>
> [1]
> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.uuid
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> According to https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>
>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>> days...
>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Shazron <sh...@gmail.com>.
You won't need to change your javascript code. The change will be
transparent to you (it's an Obj-C change).
This is tricky however, since generating this uuid only works if the
storage we use is persistent. I can use the iOS keychain, but if a
user deletes their app / or never backs it up, we'll have to generate
a new one, which may screw with your app logic. Which brings me to the
point - don't depend on this being truly unique anymore.
iCloud key-value storage might be a solution but I really don't want
to add another dependency, and your users might not want to use
iCloud.
It might sound like a trivial fix, but the best thing is, to modify
your code to NOT depend on the uuid anymore, since it might change
(for all the reasons mentioned above).
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Michael Brooks
<mi...@michaelbrooks.ca> wrote:
> Darn.
>
> Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
> homebrewed API.
>
> [1]
> http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.uuid
>
> On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> According to https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
>> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>>
>> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
>> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
>> days...
>>
Re: Apple rejecting apps that access the device's UUID
Posted by Michael Brooks <mi...@michaelbrooks.ca>.
Darn.
Any idea what we should do about `device.uuid`? [1] It's a PhoneGap
homebrewed API.
[1]
http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.5.0/phonegap_device_device.md.html#device.uuid
On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Shazron <sh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> According to https://twitter.com/#!/TheKevinDent/status/182540197769134080
> Prob because of the Path AddressBook fiasco. Will accelerate this:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/CB-49
>
> Will get it into 1.6.0 since this is will be an big issue. Apple is
> sure keeping me busy working around their policies / bugs these
> days...
>