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Word Counts
Hello List,
Can you help me with how the word counts are done? Not what makes
up a word or a word-boundary - the 'help' told me that. Footnotes
or endnotes. Are the words in footnotes counted? And does that
differ for the whole document when nothing is selected, or when a
block of text (including footnotes) is selected?
Jonathan
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Re: Word Counts
Posted by Jonathan Allen <jo...@barumtrading.co.uk>.
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 06:47:28PM +0000, toki wrote:
> > 2. from an academic point of view, if a word-count limit is set for
> > a document, would you expect a best-effort count in OO to be an
> > excuse for being a tad over in MS Word?
>
> What ruleset does that academic institution in question use, to
> determine the number of words in a document?
Well, I've now asked the question, so hope to find out soon. Perhaps
it is wrong to quibble over word-counts anyway in academic documents.
If you are having to shave words at that level of minutiae, then you
might have written too much.
> More pertinent to the original question, is how does the institution
> define "word"?
Probably as defined by the institution's preferred word processor or an
acceptable alternative.
Bit I have a suspicion we are starting (as many great threads do) to drift
away from OO ...
Jonathan
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Re: Word Counts
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On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 11:47 AM, toki <to...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 07/14/2015 04:50 PM, Jonathan Allen wrote:
>
> > 1. does LibreOffice work with the same rules?
>
> Yes, no, and maybe.
>
> The "Maybe" part is that how words are counted, depends upon what, and
> how LibreOffice has been configured to count words.
>
> The "Yes" part is that LibreOffice that can count words, using word
> boundaries.
>
> The "No" part, is that LibreOffice that can count words, ignoring word
> boundaries.
>
> > 2. from an academic point of view, if a word-count limit is set for
> > a document, would you expect a best-effort count in OO to be an
> > excuse for being a tad over in MS Word?
>
> What ruleset does that academic institution in question use, to
> determine the number of words in a document?
>
> More pertinent to the original question, is how does the institution
> define "word"?
>
> Historically, a word is either five successive characters (typing) or
> six successive characters (printing), with no consideration being given
> to word-boundaries.
>
> jonathon
>
>
Re: Word Counts
Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
On 07/14/2015 04:50 PM, Jonathan Allen wrote:
> 1. does LibreOffice work with the same rules?
Yes, no, and maybe.
The "Maybe" part is that how words are counted, depends upon what, and
how LibreOffice has been configured to count words.
The "Yes" part is that LibreOffice that can count words, using word
boundaries.
The "No" part, is that LibreOffice that can count words, ignoring word
boundaries.
> 2. from an academic point of view, if a word-count limit is set for
> a document, would you expect a best-effort count in OO to be an
> excuse for being a tad over in MS Word?
What ruleset does that academic institution in question use, to
determine the number of words in a document?
More pertinent to the original question, is how does the institution
define "word"?
Historically, a word is either five successive characters (typing) or
six successive characters (printing), with no consideration being given
to word-boundaries.
jonathon
Re: Word Counts
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:50:13 +0100
Jonathan Allen <jo...@barumtrading.co.uk> wrote:
> Rory,
>
> > When text is selected the footnotes for that block are not counted.
> > Otherwise they are, and their number in the footnote seems to be
> > counted as a word. But don't rely on the word count matching that
> > of MS Word.
>
> Thank you so much for that. It's a good start. Two follow on questions:
>
> 1. does LibreOffice work with the same rules?
>
> 2. from an academic point of view, if a word-count limit is set for
> a document, would you expect a best-effort count in OO to be an
> excuse for being a tad over in MS Word?
>
> Jonathan
>
I think LibreOffice (which I don't use) should work with the same rules, but they do tweak things, so the only sure way to know is to query this on a LibreOffice list.
My understanding is that most academic standards allow +/-10% in word count. Unless the academic standards committee defines the exact word count process to be used, one word counter is as good as another.
In any event I personally would object to any academic institution insisting on the use of proprietary software and proprietary formats - this is as restrictive as insisting that one should write one's submissions in purple ink on a green paper.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
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Re: Word Counts
Posted by Jonathan Allen <jo...@barumtrading.co.uk>.
Rory,
> When text is selected the footnotes for that block are not counted.
> Otherwise they are, and their number in the footnote seems to be
> counted as a word. But don't rely on the word count matching that
> of MS Word.
Thank you so much for that. It's a good start. Two follow on questions:
1. does LibreOffice work with the same rules?
2. from an academic point of view, if a word-count limit is set for
a document, would you expect a best-effort count in OO to be an
excuse for being a tad over in MS Word?
Jonathan
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Re: Word Counts
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 17:17:10 +0100
Jonathan Allen <jo...@barumtrading.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello List,
>
> Can you help me with how the word counts are done? Not what makes
> up a word or a word-boundary - the 'help' told me that. Footnotes
> or endnotes. Are the words in footnotes counted? And does that
> differ for the whole document when nothing is selected, or when a
> block of text (including footnotes) is selected?
>
> Jonathan
When text is selected the footnotes for that block are not counted. Otherwise they are, and their number in the footnote seems to be counted as a word. But don't rely on the word count matching that of MS Word.
--
Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>
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