dynamic feed autodiscovery urls based on context

[Allen Gilliland <al...@sun.com>]

I am assuming this is the right way to do things, but I thought I'd make 
sure everyone agrees before I commit it.

I want to update the showAutodiscoveryLinks() macro so that it has 
conditional logic which produces the appropriate feed autodiscovery link 
dependent on the context of the page.  So ...

on page /weblog/tags/foo+bar, the AD feeds would be 
/weblog/feed/entries/XXX?tags=foo+bar

This seems like the best thing to do for a number of reasons, including 
that it makes sense that the "alternate" rel for a page is really a feed 
of the same content and it promotes the tag based feed urls more.

I would also do the same thing for category urls, so 
/weblog/category/MyCat points to the feed for that category.

everyone cool with that?

-- Allen

Re: dynamic feed autodiscovery urls based on context

[Dave <sn...@gmail.com>]

Yes. If I click on the orange subscribe button in the browser, it's
most likely that I want to subscribe to the blog itself. Being able to
subscribe to a tag specific feed is a nice option, but it shouldn't be
the only one and I think it should be secondary.

- Dave


On 12/7/06, Allen Gilliland <al...@sun.com> wrote:
> So you're saying you always want the main feeds for the weblog to be in
> the auto-discovery list?
>
>
> Dave wrote:
> > You can (and should) have multiple auto-disco links and in that case
> > you'd have three: one for entries tagged "foo+bar", one for all
> > blog-wide entries and one for blog-wide comments. Actually, you'd have
> > six since we promote both Atom and RSS versions of those feeds. As
> > long as the titles are descriptive, the user will be able to pick the
> > right one via FF2 or IE7.
> >
> > - Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > On 12/6/06, Allen Gilliland <al...@sun.com> wrote:
> >> I am assuming this is the right way to do things, but I thought I'd make
> >> sure everyone agrees before I commit it.
> >>
> >> I want to update the showAutodiscoveryLinks() macro so that it has
> >> conditional logic which produces the appropriate feed autodiscovery link
> >> dependent on the context of the page.  So ...
> >>
> >> on page /weblog/tags/foo+bar, the AD feeds would be
> >> /weblog/feed/entries/XXX?tags=foo+bar
> >>
> >> This seems like the best thing to do for a number of reasons, including
> >> that it makes sense that the "alternate" rel for a page is really a feed
> >> of the same content and it promotes the tag based feed urls more.
> >>
> >> I would also do the same thing for category urls, so
> >> /weblog/category/MyCat points to the feed for that category.
> >>
> >> everyone cool with that?
> >>
> >> -- Allen
> >>
>

Re: dynamic feed autodiscovery urls based on context

[Allen Gilliland <al...@sun.com>]

So you're saying you always want the main feeds for the weblog to be in 
the auto-discovery list?


Dave wrote:
> You can (and should) have multiple auto-disco links and in that case
> you'd have three: one for entries tagged "foo+bar", one for all
> blog-wide entries and one for blog-wide comments. Actually, you'd have
> six since we promote both Atom and RSS versions of those feeds. As
> long as the titles are descriptive, the user will be able to pick the
> right one via FF2 or IE7.
> 
> - Dave
> 
> 
> 
> On 12/6/06, Allen Gilliland <al...@sun.com> wrote:
>> I am assuming this is the right way to do things, but I thought I'd make
>> sure everyone agrees before I commit it.
>>
>> I want to update the showAutodiscoveryLinks() macro so that it has
>> conditional logic which produces the appropriate feed autodiscovery link
>> dependent on the context of the page.  So ...
>>
>> on page /weblog/tags/foo+bar, the AD feeds would be
>> /weblog/feed/entries/XXX?tags=foo+bar
>>
>> This seems like the best thing to do for a number of reasons, including
>> that it makes sense that the "alternate" rel for a page is really a feed
>> of the same content and it promotes the tag based feed urls more.
>>
>> I would also do the same thing for category urls, so
>> /weblog/category/MyCat points to the feed for that category.
>>
>> everyone cool with that?
>>
>> -- Allen
>>

Re: dynamic feed autodiscovery urls based on context

[Dave <sn...@gmail.com>]

You can (and should) have multiple auto-disco links and in that case
you'd have three: one for entries tagged "foo+bar", one for all
blog-wide entries and one for blog-wide comments. Actually, you'd have
six since we promote both Atom and RSS versions of those feeds. As
long as the titles are descriptive, the user will be able to pick the
right one via FF2 or IE7.

- Dave



On 12/6/06, Allen Gilliland <al...@sun.com> wrote:
> I am assuming this is the right way to do things, but I thought I'd make
> sure everyone agrees before I commit it.
>
> I want to update the showAutodiscoveryLinks() macro so that it has
> conditional logic which produces the appropriate feed autodiscovery link
> dependent on the context of the page.  So ...
>
> on page /weblog/tags/foo+bar, the AD feeds would be
> /weblog/feed/entries/XXX?tags=foo+bar
>
> This seems like the best thing to do for a number of reasons, including
> that it makes sense that the "alternate" rel for a page is really a feed
> of the same content and it promotes the tag based feed urls more.
>
> I would also do the same thing for category urls, so
> /weblog/category/MyCat points to the feed for that category.
>
> everyone cool with that?
>
> -- Allen
>

Re: dynamic feed autodiscovery urls based on context

[Allen Gilliland <al...@sun.com>]

Anil Gangolli wrote:
> 
> This message just reminded me.
> 
> Did we reach consensus on the spaces in tags issue?

I don't think we reached a consensus about that yet, but regardless of 
the decision I think it is too late in the release process to go back 
and change it for 3.1.  Things like this need to be done during 
development, not after the release has already had a couple of release 
candidates.


> 
> I think it impacts the syntax of the "join" (conjunction) operation on 
> the tag-based URLs.  The current use of '+', which coincides with a 
> possible URL-encoding of space would not be a good choice if we choose 
> to support spaces in tags.

If do do decide to do spaces in tags then I would be *highly* in favor 
of normalizing these tags somehow to make them into a single word for 
actual use.  There are various sites which already do this, such as 
flickr, and they allow users to enter tags like "black and white" and 
that display name is kept but the tag name used for urls is scrunched to 
become "blackandwhite".

I would not be opposed to doing something like this so that tag names 
are kept nice and readable for users, but the tags for urls are 
shortened and simplified to maintain the system we already have using 
single word tags joined by '+'.

And as I said above, I think this should be worked on as a post 3.1 
enhancement to tagging.

-- Allen


> 
> --a.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allen Gilliland" 
> <al...@sun.com>
> To: <ro...@incubator.apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:17 PM
> Subject: dynamic feed autodiscovery urls based on context
> 
> 
>> I am assuming this is the right way to do things, but I thought I'd 
>> make sure everyone agrees before I commit it.
>>
>> I want to update the showAutodiscoveryLinks() macro so that it has 
>> conditional logic which produces the appropriate feed autodiscovery 
>> link dependent on the context of the page.  So ...
>>
>> on page /weblog/tags/foo+bar, the AD feeds would be 
>> /weblog/feed/entries/XXX?tags=foo+bar
>>
>> This seems like the best thing to do for a number of reasons, 
>> including that it makes sense that the "alternate" rel for a page is 
>> really a feed of the same content and it promotes the tag based feed 
>> urls more.
>>
>> I would also do the same thing for category urls, so 
>> /weblog/category/MyCat points to the feed for that category.
>>
>> everyone cool with that?
>>
>> -- Allen
>>
> 

Re: dynamic feed autodiscovery urls based on context

[Anil Gangolli <an...@busybuddha.org>]

This message just reminded me.

Did we reach consensus on the spaces in tags issue?

I think it impacts the syntax of the "join" (conjunction) operation on the 
tag-based URLs.  The current use of '+', which coincides with a possible 
URL-encoding of space would not be a good choice if we choose to support 
spaces in tags.

--a.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Allen Gilliland" <al...@sun.com>
To: <ro...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 3:17 PM
Subject: dynamic feed autodiscovery urls based on context


>I am assuming this is the right way to do things, but I thought I'd make 
>sure everyone agrees before I commit it.
>
> I want to update the showAutodiscoveryLinks() macro so that it has 
> conditional logic which produces the appropriate feed autodiscovery link 
> dependent on the context of the page.  So ...
>
> on page /weblog/tags/foo+bar, the AD feeds would be 
> /weblog/feed/entries/XXX?tags=foo+bar
>
> This seems like the best thing to do for a number of reasons, including 
> that it makes sense that the "alternate" rel for a page is really a feed 
> of the same content and it promotes the tag based feed urls more.
>
> I would also do the same thing for category urls, so 
> /weblog/category/MyCat points to the feed for that category.
>
> everyone cool with that?
>
> -- Allen
>