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Posted to dev@wink.apache.org by Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> on 2010/12/16 17:57:18 UTC
graduation?
I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
--kevan
Re: graduation?
Posted by Mike Rheinheimer <ro...@apache.org>.
Agree. +1
I'll be glad to drive this bus.
mike
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Bryant Luk <br...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think working towards graduation now is the next big step for the project and would like to help make it happen.
>
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1.
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Raymond Feng
>> rfeng@apache.org
>> Apache Tuscany PMC member and committer: tuscany.apache.org
>> Co-author of Tuscany SCA In Action book: www.tuscanyinaction.com
>> Personal Web Site: www.enjoyjava.com
>> ________________________________________________________________
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>>>
>>> --kevan
>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: graduation?
Posted by Bryant Luk <br...@gmail.com>.
I think working towards graduation now is the next big step for the project and would like to help make it happen.
On Dec 16, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1.
> ________________________________________________________________
> Raymond Feng
> rfeng@apache.org
> Apache Tuscany PMC member and committer: tuscany.apache.org
> Co-author of Tuscany SCA In Action book: www.tuscanyinaction.com
> Personal Web Site: www.enjoyjava.com
> ________________________________________________________________
>
> On Dec 16, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
>
>> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>>
>> --kevan
>>
>>
>
Re: graduation?
Posted by Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>.
+1.
________________________________________________________________
Raymond Feng
rfeng@apache.org
Apache Tuscany PMC member and committer: tuscany.apache.org
Co-author of Tuscany SCA In Action book: www.tuscanyinaction.com
Personal Web Site: www.enjoyjava.com
________________________________________________________________
On Dec 16, 2010, at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller wrote:
> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>
> --kevan
>
>
Re: graduation?
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 1:18 AM, ant elder <an...@apache.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:52 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --kevan
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I definitely want to see Wink graduate. As for concrete steps, I'd
>>>>> suggest that we start updating the project status page [1], which does
>>>>> not reflect the current releases, community updates, etc. Also, how
>>>>> diverse is the Wink community ? I know couple of independent
>>>>> committers were added recently, but AFAIK, for graduation, the IPMC
>>>>> really looks like for PPMC diversity.
>>>>>
>>>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Considering all the discussion around small but happy podlings and the
>>>> encouragement for these podlings to graduate, I have updated the Wink
>>>> project status page (at least a great part of it), and will be working
>>>> on the necessary steps towards getting the project ready for
>>>> Graduation.
>>>
>>> Those other small poddlings have so far at least had three active
>>> committers, thats not the case with Wink where its a bit of a stretch
>>> to describe the two who are about as "active". Maybe you could ask
>>> specifically about Wink and what to do on on general@ but having a bit
>>> more activity here would make the graduation decision easier.
>>>
>>> ...ant
>>
>> I tend to agree with you that Wink is more on the border line, but I'd
>> think more towards graduating then retiring. Also, looking at past six
>> months, there is actually at least three committers that have
>> contributed some code or helped users applying patches.
>>
>
> Active committers in the last six months shows just two:
> http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from=20110713&path=%2Fincubator%2Fwink
> (and one of those has only done a single commit), and there's no other
> active on the dev list that i could see, is there other activity
> somewhere I'm missing? I don't want to see Wink retired either but
> that doesn't look like enough activity to sustain a TLP.
>
Ok, it seems that I was looking at the commits archive and jumped back
to 2010, instead of 2011.
> Starting the JAX-RS 2.0 work seems like a good idea to try to attract
> new people, why not try that for a while?
>
> ...ant
Yes, I saw that Raymond posted a related suggestion to start working
on JAX-RS 2.0. Let's see how it goes.
[1] http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-wink-commits/
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: graduation?
Posted by ant elder <an...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:35 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:52 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>>>>>
>>>>> --kevan
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I definitely want to see Wink graduate. As for concrete steps, I'd
>>>> suggest that we start updating the project status page [1], which does
>>>> not reflect the current releases, community updates, etc. Also, how
>>>> diverse is the Wink community ? I know couple of independent
>>>> committers were added recently, but AFAIK, for graduation, the IPMC
>>>> really looks like for PPMC diversity.
>>>>
>>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Considering all the discussion around small but happy podlings and the
>>> encouragement for these podlings to graduate, I have updated the Wink
>>> project status page (at least a great part of it), and will be working
>>> on the necessary steps towards getting the project ready for
>>> Graduation.
>>
>> Those other small poddlings have so far at least had three active
>> committers, thats not the case with Wink where its a bit of a stretch
>> to describe the two who are about as "active". Maybe you could ask
>> specifically about Wink and what to do on on general@ but having a bit
>> more activity here would make the graduation decision easier.
>>
>> ...ant
>
> I tend to agree with you that Wink is more on the border line, but I'd
> think more towards graduating then retiring. Also, looking at past six
> months, there is actually at least three committers that have
> contributed some code or helped users applying patches.
>
Active committers in the last six months shows just two:
http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/ASF/search?from=20110713&path=%2Fincubator%2Fwink
(and one of those has only done a single commit), and there's no other
active on the dev list that i could see, is there other activity
somewhere I'm missing? I don't want to see Wink retired either but
that doesn't look like enough activity to sustain a TLP.
Starting the JAX-RS 2.0 work seems like a good idea to try to attract
new people, why not try that for a while?
...ant
Re: graduation?
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:52 AM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>>>>
>>>> --kevan
>>>>
>>>
>>> I definitely want to see Wink graduate. As for concrete steps, I'd
>>> suggest that we start updating the project status page [1], which does
>>> not reflect the current releases, community updates, etc. Also, how
>>> diverse is the Wink community ? I know couple of independent
>>> committers were added recently, but AFAIK, for graduation, the IPMC
>>> really looks like for PPMC diversity.
>>>
>>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Considering all the discussion around small but happy podlings and the
>> encouragement for these podlings to graduate, I have updated the Wink
>> project status page (at least a great part of it), and will be working
>> on the necessary steps towards getting the project ready for
>> Graduation.
>
> Those other small poddlings have so far at least had three active
> committers, thats not the case with Wink where its a bit of a stretch
> to describe the two who are about as "active". Maybe you could ask
> specifically about Wink and what to do on on general@ but having a bit
> more activity here would make the graduation decision easier.
>
> ...ant
I tend to agree with you that Wink is more on the border line, but I'd
think more towards graduating then retiring. Also, looking at past six
months, there is actually at least three committers that have
contributed some code or helped users applying patches.
[1] http://markmail.org/message/sp7doxbcozs6hv26
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: graduation?
Posted by ant elder <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 6:15 AM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>>>
>>> --kevan
>>>
>>
>> I definitely want to see Wink graduate. As for concrete steps, I'd
>> suggest that we start updating the project status page [1], which does
>> not reflect the current releases, community updates, etc. Also, how
>> diverse is the Wink community ? I know couple of independent
>> committers were added recently, but AFAIK, for graduation, the IPMC
>> really looks like for PPMC diversity.
>>
>> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html
>>
>>
>
> Considering all the discussion around small but happy podlings and the
> encouragement for these podlings to graduate, I have updated the Wink
> project status page (at least a great part of it), and will be working
> on the necessary steps towards getting the project ready for
> Graduation.
Those other small poddlings have so far at least had three active
committers, thats not the case with Wink where its a bit of a stretch
to describe the two who are about as "active". Maybe you could ask
specifically about Wink and what to do on on general@ but having a bit
more activity here would make the graduation decision easier.
...ant
Re: graduation?
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>>
>> --kevan
>>
>
> I definitely want to see Wink graduate. As for concrete steps, I'd
> suggest that we start updating the project status page [1], which does
> not reflect the current releases, community updates, etc. Also, how
> diverse is the Wink community ? I know couple of independent
> committers were added recently, but AFAIK, for graduation, the IPMC
> really looks like for PPMC diversity.
>
> [1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html
>
>
Considering all the discussion around small but happy podlings and the
encouragement for these podlings to graduate, I have updated the Wink
project status page (at least a great part of it), and will be working
on the necessary steps towards getting the project ready for
Graduation. I'll also work on a draft resolution for us to review, as
described on the Graduation steps in [2].
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/graduation.html#requirements
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/
Re: graduation?
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kevan Miller <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd be interested in hearing the community's views about graduation. I'd be prepared to support graduation, but will take work by the community to make this happen. So, I'd like to see some progress towards graduating.
>
> --kevan
>
I definitely want to see Wink graduate. As for concrete steps, I'd
suggest that we start updating the project status page [1], which does
not reflect the current releases, community updates, etc. Also, how
diverse is the Wink community ? I know couple of independent
committers were added recently, but AFAIK, for graduation, the IPMC
really looks like for PPMC diversity.
[1] http://incubator.apache.org/projects/wink.html
--
Luciano Resende
http://people.apache.org/~lresende
http://twitter.com/lresende1975
http://lresende.blogspot.com/