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Posted to users@maven.apache.org by John Coleman <jo...@eurobase-international.com> on 2008/03/04 14:41:39 UTC

RE: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM

I can't see a way in Q4E to activate a profile in my settings.xml. Did
you find out how to do that?

My experience so far is that NetBeans mavenide seems to be streets ahead
of the various eclipse efforts I have tried. Since devzuz support Q4E I
am hoping it is better than what I have seen.

Regards,
John
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Lutz [mailto:mattom@gmx.at] 
> Sent: 25 February 2008 11:24
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM
> 
> Hi !
> 
> Though this doesn't answer your question regarding a comparison.. :-):
> 
> I use Q4E and am really happy with it. much better than 
> m2eclipse and mevenide, pom synchronization and classpath 
> integration works well. No webtools support in the version I 
> use, but that could have changed in the meantime...
> 
> Tom
> 
> VUB Stefan Seidel schrieb:
> > Hi Chris,
> >
> > we started with m2eclipse, too, and had troubles too. After 
> spending 
> > about a week in total fixing the worst things in it, it is quite 
> > usable. Unfortunately, almost none of my suggestions made 
> it into the 
> > mainstream code, and I've given up trying. I thought about 
> a fork but 
> > I don't have the time. Anyway, m2eclipse is based on some 
> good ideas, 
> > and when I last looked at Q4E, it wasn't usable due to its 
> early dev 
> > stage.
> > There is a eclipse plugin for maven that generated the 
> .project files 
> > and others, this one allows you to develop maven apps in 
> Eclipse, but 
> > it is no real "Eclipse integration".
> >
> > HTH,
> >
> > Stefan
> >
> > Chris wrote:
> >> I googled around to try to find a comparison between 
> Mevenide and the 
> >> alternatives, and didn't come up with much.
> >>
> >> Can someone tell me the differences?
> >>
> >> (I've spend some time with m2eclipse, and I'm *not* impressed).
> >>
> >>
> >> 
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Re: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM

Posted by Carlos Sanchez <ca...@apache.org>.
it's just a matter of priorities and time, there's only 28 hours in a day ;)

On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 7:47 AM, John Coleman
<jo...@eurobase-international.com> wrote:
> Not supporting -P is a show stopper for us. We use the build number
>  plugin, and insist that continumm builds have proper source-repo
>  synchronization.
>
>  Taking away these command line options is a big limitation. Expecting
>  people to change their projects to suit this limitation seems
>  unacceptable to me. I guess we'll have to use the command line in the
>  meantime.
>
>  Regards,
>  John
>
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Henri Gomez [mailto:henri.gomez@gmail.com]
>  > Sent: 04 March 2008 15:01
>  > To: Maven Users List
>  > Subject: Re: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM
>  >
>
>
> > I switched from m2eclipse to Q4E (still using the dev
>  > release, ie
>  > http://www.jroller.com/carlossg/entry/exist_global_acquires_devzuz).
>  >
>  > Even if Q4E is a new project and so less mature, it works
>  > great for me, ie I could use an eclipse project having both
>  > WTP and Q4E nature.
>  >
>  > Q4E is supported by Devzuz.org and as they are involved
>  > (indirectly via Exist) in Buckminster, it will be in a not
>  > too long future the 'official eclipse plugin' for maven support.
>  >
>  > I recommands Q4E (http://code.google.com/p/q4e/)
>  >
>  > Regards.
>  >
>  > >2008/3/4, Thomas Lutz <ma...@gmx.at>:
>  > > I don't use profiles very much, I've one box for office
>  > work, another
>  > >  for private stuff :-)...
>  > >
>  > >  found a post in the q4e users list:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > http://groups.google.com/group/q4e-users/browse_thread/thread/82ff5a7a
>  > > fd79ebcf
>  > >
>  > >  refering to an issue in q4e:
>  > >  http://code.google.com/p/q4e/issues/detail?id=5
>  > >
>  > >  sorry,
>  > >  tom
>  > >
>  > >  John Coleman schrieb:
>  > >
>  > > > I can't see a way in Q4E to activate a profile in my
>  > settings.xml.
>  > > > Did
>  > >  > you find out how to do that?
>  > >  >
>  > >  > My experience so far is that NetBeans mavenide seems to
>  > be streets
>  > > ahead  > of the various eclipse efforts I have tried. Since devzuz
>  > > support Q4E I  > am hoping it is better than what I have seen.
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Regards,
>  > >  > John
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  >
>  > >  >> -----Original Message-----
>  > >  >> From: Thomas Lutz [mailto:mattom@gmx.at]  >> Sent: 25 February
>  > > 2008 11:24  >> To: Maven Users List  >> Subject: Re: Mevenide vs.
>  > > M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM  >>  >> Hi !
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> Though this doesn't answer your question regarding a
>  > comparison.. :-):
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> I use Q4E and am really happy with it. much better than  >>
>  > > m2eclipse and mevenide, pom synchronization and classpath  >>
>  > > integration works well. No webtools support in the version
>  > I  >> use,
>  > > but that could have changed in the meantime...
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> Tom
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >> VUB Stefan Seidel schrieb:
>  > >  >>
>  > >  >>> Hi Chris,
>  > >  >>>
>  > >  >>> we started with m2eclipse, too, and had troubles too.
>  > After  >>>
>  > > >> spending  >>  >>> about a week in total fixing the worst
>  > things in
>  > > it, it is quite  >>> usable. Unfortunately, almost none of my
>  > > suggestions made  >>>  >> it into the  >>  >>> mainstream code, and
>  > > I've given up trying. I thought about  >>>  >> a fork but
>  > >>  >>> I
>  > > don't have the time. Anyway, m2eclipse is based on some
>  > >>>  >> good
>  > > ideas,  >>  >>> and when I last looked at Q4E, it wasn't
>  > usable due to
>  > > its  >>>  >> early dev  >>  >>> stage.
>  > >  >>> There is a eclipse plugin for maven that generated the
>  >  >>>  >>
>  > > .project files  >>  >>> and others, this one allows you to develop
>  > > maven apps in  >>>  >> Eclipse, but  >>  >>> it is no real "Eclipse
>  > > integration".
>  > >  >>>
>  > >  >>> HTH,
>  > >  >>>
>  > >  >>> Stefan
>  > >  >>>
>  > >  >>> Chris wrote:
>  > >  >>>
>  > >  >>>> I googled around to try to find a comparison between
>  > >>>>  >>
>  > > Mevenide and the  >>  >>>> alternatives, and didn't come up
>  > with much.
>  > >  >>>>
>  > >  >>>> Can someone tell me the differences?
>  > >  >>>>
>  > >  >>>> (I've spend some time with m2eclipse, and I'm *not*
>  > impressed).
>  > >  >>>>
>  > >  >>>>
>  > >  >>>>
>  > >  >>>>
>  > >  >>
>  > >
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RE: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM

Posted by John Coleman <jo...@eurobase-international.com>.
Not supporting -P is a show stopper for us. We use the build number
plugin, and insist that continumm builds have proper source-repo
synchronization.

Taking away these command line options is a big limitation. Expecting
people to change their projects to suit this limitation seems
unacceptable to me. I guess we'll have to use the command line in the
meantime.

Regards,
John
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Henri Gomez [mailto:henri.gomez@gmail.com] 
> Sent: 04 March 2008 15:01
> To: Maven Users List
> Subject: Re: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM
> 
> I switched from m2eclipse to Q4E (still using the dev 
> release, ie 
> http://www.jroller.com/carlossg/entry/exist_global_acquires_devzuz).
> 
> Even if Q4E is a new project and so less mature, it works 
> great for me, ie I could use an eclipse project having both 
> WTP and Q4E nature.
> 
> Q4E is supported by Devzuz.org and as they are involved 
> (indirectly via Exist) in Buckminster, it will be in a not 
> too long future the 'official eclipse plugin' for maven support.
> 
> I recommands Q4E (http://code.google.com/p/q4e/)
> 
> Regards.
> 
> >2008/3/4, Thomas Lutz <ma...@gmx.at>:
> > I don't use profiles very much, I've one box for office 
> work, another
> >  for private stuff :-)...
> >
> >  found a post in the q4e users list:
> >  
> > 
> http://groups.google.com/group/q4e-users/browse_thread/thread/82ff5a7a
> > fd79ebcf
> >
> >  refering to an issue in q4e:
> >  http://code.google.com/p/q4e/issues/detail?id=5
> >
> >  sorry,
> >  tom
> >
> >  John Coleman schrieb:
> >
> > > I can't see a way in Q4E to activate a profile in my 
> settings.xml. 
> > > Did
> >  > you find out how to do that?
> >  >
> >  > My experience so far is that NetBeans mavenide seems to 
> be streets 
> > ahead  > of the various eclipse efforts I have tried. Since devzuz 
> > support Q4E I  > am hoping it is better than what I have seen.
> >  >
> >  > Regards,
> >  > John
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >
> >  >> -----Original Message-----
> >  >> From: Thomas Lutz [mailto:mattom@gmx.at]  >> Sent: 25 February 
> > 2008 11:24  >> To: Maven Users List  >> Subject: Re: Mevenide vs. 
> > M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM  >>  >> Hi !
> >  >>
> >  >> Though this doesn't answer your question regarding a 
> comparison.. :-):
> >  >>
> >  >> I use Q4E and am really happy with it. much better than  >> 
> > m2eclipse and mevenide, pom synchronization and classpath  >> 
> > integration works well. No webtools support in the version 
> I  >> use, 
> > but that could have changed in the meantime...
> >  >>
> >  >> Tom
> >  >>
> >  >> VUB Stefan Seidel schrieb:
> >  >>
> >  >>> Hi Chris,
> >  >>>
> >  >>> we started with m2eclipse, too, and had troubles too. 
> After  >>>  
> > >> spending  >>  >>> about a week in total fixing the worst 
> things in 
> > it, it is quite  >>> usable. Unfortunately, almost none of my 
> > suggestions made  >>>  >> it into the  >>  >>> mainstream code, and 
> > I've given up trying. I thought about  >>>  >> a fork but  
> >>  >>> I 
> > don't have the time. Anyway, m2eclipse is based on some  
> >>>  >> good 
> > ideas,  >>  >>> and when I last looked at Q4E, it wasn't 
> usable due to 
> > its  >>>  >> early dev  >>  >>> stage.
> >  >>> There is a eclipse plugin for maven that generated the 
>  >>>  >> 
> > .project files  >>  >>> and others, this one allows you to develop 
> > maven apps in  >>>  >> Eclipse, but  >>  >>> it is no real "Eclipse 
> > integration".
> >  >>>
> >  >>> HTH,
> >  >>>
> >  >>> Stefan
> >  >>>
> >  >>> Chris wrote:
> >  >>>
> >  >>>> I googled around to try to find a comparison between  
> >>>>  >> 
> > Mevenide and the  >>  >>>> alternatives, and didn't come up 
> with much.
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> Can someone tell me the differences?
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>> (I've spend some time with m2eclipse, and I'm *not* 
> impressed).
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>>
> >  >>>>
> >  >> 
> > 
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Re: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM

Posted by Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com>.
I switched from m2eclipse to Q4E (still using the dev release, ie
http://www.jroller.com/carlossg/entry/exist_global_acquires_devzuz).

Even if Q4E is a new project and so less mature, it works great for
me, ie I could use an eclipse project having both WTP and Q4E nature.

Q4E is supported by Devzuz.org and as they are involved (indirectly
via Exist) in Buckminster, it will be in a not too long future the
'official eclipse plugin' for maven support.

I recommands Q4E (http://code.google.com/p/q4e/)

Regards.

>2008/3/4, Thomas Lutz <ma...@gmx.at>:
> I don't use profiles very much, I've one box for office work, another
>  for private stuff :-)...
>
>  found a post in the q4e users list:
>  http://groups.google.com/group/q4e-users/browse_thread/thread/82ff5a7afd79ebcf
>
>  refering to an issue in q4e:
>  http://code.google.com/p/q4e/issues/detail?id=5
>
>  sorry,
>  tom
>
>  John Coleman schrieb:
>
> > I can't see a way in Q4E to activate a profile in my settings.xml. Did
>  > you find out how to do that?
>  >
>  > My experience so far is that NetBeans mavenide seems to be streets ahead
>  > of the various eclipse efforts I have tried. Since devzuz support Q4E I
>  > am hoping it is better than what I have seen.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > John
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >> -----Original Message-----
>  >> From: Thomas Lutz [mailto:mattom@gmx.at]
>  >> Sent: 25 February 2008 11:24
>  >> To: Maven Users List
>  >> Subject: Re: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM
>  >>
>  >> Hi !
>  >>
>  >> Though this doesn't answer your question regarding a comparison.. :-):
>  >>
>  >> I use Q4E and am really happy with it. much better than
>  >> m2eclipse and mevenide, pom synchronization and classpath
>  >> integration works well. No webtools support in the version I
>  >> use, but that could have changed in the meantime...
>  >>
>  >> Tom
>  >>
>  >> VUB Stefan Seidel schrieb:
>  >>
>  >>> Hi Chris,
>  >>>
>  >>> we started with m2eclipse, too, and had troubles too. After
>  >>>
>  >> spending
>  >>
>  >>> about a week in total fixing the worst things in it, it is quite
>  >>> usable. Unfortunately, almost none of my suggestions made
>  >>>
>  >> it into the
>  >>
>  >>> mainstream code, and I've given up trying. I thought about
>  >>>
>  >> a fork but
>  >>
>  >>> I don't have the time. Anyway, m2eclipse is based on some
>  >>>
>  >> good ideas,
>  >>
>  >>> and when I last looked at Q4E, it wasn't usable due to its
>  >>>
>  >> early dev
>  >>
>  >>> stage.
>  >>> There is a eclipse plugin for maven that generated the
>  >>>
>  >> .project files
>  >>
>  >>> and others, this one allows you to develop maven apps in
>  >>>
>  >> Eclipse, but
>  >>
>  >>> it is no real "Eclipse integration".
>  >>>
>  >>> HTH,
>  >>>
>  >>> Stefan
>  >>>
>  >>> Chris wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> I googled around to try to find a comparison between
>  >>>>
>  >> Mevenide and the
>  >>
>  >>>> alternatives, and didn't come up with much.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> Can someone tell me the differences?
>  >>>>
>  >>>> (I've spend some time with m2eclipse, and I'm *not* impressed).
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
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Re: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM

Posted by Thomas Lutz <ma...@gmx.at>.
I don't use profiles very much, I've one box for office work, another 
for private stuff :-)...

found a post in the q4e users list:
http://groups.google.com/group/q4e-users/browse_thread/thread/82ff5a7afd79ebcf

refering to an issue in q4e:
http://code.google.com/p/q4e/issues/detail?id=5

sorry,
tom

John Coleman schrieb:
> I can't see a way in Q4E to activate a profile in my settings.xml. Did
> you find out how to do that?
>
> My experience so far is that NetBeans mavenide seems to be streets ahead
> of the various eclipse efforts I have tried. Since devzuz support Q4E I
> am hoping it is better than what I have seen.
>
> Regards,
> John
>  
>
>   
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Lutz [mailto:mattom@gmx.at] 
>> Sent: 25 February 2008 11:24
>> To: Maven Users List
>> Subject: Re: Mevenide vs. M2Eclipse, Q for Eclipse/IAM
>>
>> Hi !
>>
>> Though this doesn't answer your question regarding a comparison.. :-):
>>
>> I use Q4E and am really happy with it. much better than 
>> m2eclipse and mevenide, pom synchronization and classpath 
>> integration works well. No webtools support in the version I 
>> use, but that could have changed in the meantime...
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> VUB Stefan Seidel schrieb:
>>     
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> we started with m2eclipse, too, and had troubles too. After 
>>>       
>> spending 
>>     
>>> about a week in total fixing the worst things in it, it is quite 
>>> usable. Unfortunately, almost none of my suggestions made 
>>>       
>> it into the 
>>     
>>> mainstream code, and I've given up trying. I thought about 
>>>       
>> a fork but 
>>     
>>> I don't have the time. Anyway, m2eclipse is based on some 
>>>       
>> good ideas, 
>>     
>>> and when I last looked at Q4E, it wasn't usable due to its 
>>>       
>> early dev 
>>     
>>> stage.
>>> There is a eclipse plugin for maven that generated the 
>>>       
>> .project files 
>>     
>>> and others, this one allows you to develop maven apps in 
>>>       
>> Eclipse, but 
>>     
>>> it is no real "Eclipse integration".
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Stefan
>>>
>>> Chris wrote:
>>>       
>>>> I googled around to try to find a comparison between 
>>>>         
>> Mevenide and the 
>>     
>>>> alternatives, and didn't come up with much.
>>>>
>>>> Can someone tell me the differences?
>>>>
>>>> (I've spend some time with m2eclipse, and I'm *not* impressed).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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