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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de> on 2016/08/26 08:27:21 UTC
[FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
Hi,
I am currently working on my FlexJS Talks slides and as part of that I am discussing the History of ECMAScript. While digging up the changes in ECMAScript, I noticed that version 6 introduced typed arrays. It sounds to me as if this would be great to start working on AMF support in FlexJS.
Think this could be a nice excercise for me during the autumn and winter months ;-)
Do we have the ability to provide functionality based on the capabilities of the browser?
Chris
Re: AW: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
Posted by Fréderic Cox <co...@gmail.com>.
That would be massive! I use AMFPHP extensively and love it as it is so
fast and easy. For me this is a very important part of the Flex ecosystem.
Would like to help where I can
On Mon, Aug 29, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Greg Dove <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Chris, fyi the BinaryData class is now almost the same as as3 ByteArray
> except for the amf part missing: writeObject/readObject and amf0/amf3
> objectEncoding iirc. I think the only other difference is multibyte text
> methods missing as well. So it could be a good candidate for adding the
> missing amf support to....or perhaps a subclass because I know Alex
> mentioned the need to keep lighter options available for 'pay as you go'
> approach.
>
> -Greg
> [sent from my phone]
>
> On 29/08/2016 8:19 PM, "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>
> wrote:
>
> I did write a J2ME serializer for AMF a while ago and I'm very familiar
> with the protocol.
>
> Eventually this would be a good thing for me to start writing some
> Cross-Compilable ActionScript ;-)
>
>
> As I see it the COMPILE:SWF part would be trivial ...
>
>
> Currently I'm sort of got my plate full with the upcomming conferences, but
> after that ...
>
>
> Chris
>
> ________________________________
> Von: carlos.rovira@gmail.com <ca...@gmail.com> im Auftrag von
> Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
> Gesendet: Montag, 29. August 2016 10:12:24
> An: dev@flex.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
>
> I commented in other threads in favor of AMF support since is a piece of
> the Flex eco system in witch many people based lots of apps out there.
> Supporting AMF in FlexJS means for many people change only the Flex(Flash)
> layer for FlexJS without touching server side part.
>
> In the other hand I continue to see AMF as a great option to comunicate
> data with the server. So I think it will be other piece that will make
> FlexJS a better option over its competitors.
>
> I don't know how much effort it could be. See some AMF js ports out there,
> but although it seems the base algorithms are in place, no body makes a
> RemoteObject that could compete with the ease of use in Flex making realy
> usable.
>
> So for me is a positive vote and will be, without doubt, a great addition
> to FlexJS
>
> Thanks for pointing this Chris
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>
>
> 2016-08-26 16:25 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
> >
> >
> > On 8/26/16, 1:27 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >
> > >I am currently working on my FlexJS Talks slides and as part of that I
> am
> > >discussing the History of ECMAScript. While digging up the changes in
> > >ECMAScript, I noticed that version 6 introduced typed arrays. It sounds
> > >to me as if this would be great to start working on AMF support in
> FlexJS.
> > >
> > >
> > >Think this could be a nice excercise for me during the autumn and winter
> > >months ;-)
> >
> > AMF for JS has been discussed in the past. We could definitely use a
> > volunteer to work on it. One starting point might be [1] but not sure
> > about licensing and whether it actually works.
> >
> > [1]
> > http://www.jamesward.com/2010/07/07/amf-js-a-pure-
> > javascript-amf-implementa
> > tion/
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >Do we have the ability to provide functionality based on the
> capabilities
> > >of the browser?
> > >
> >
> > I don't think we have any code that does that now. ES6 would be a
> > different emitter and probably not switched at runtime. I think folks
> > might serve different versions based on HTTP headers instead.
> >
> > You could also find a way to add code that does browser detection and
> load
> > polyfills.
> >
> > HTH,
> > -Alex
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
> Carlos Rovira
> Director General
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.avant2.es
>
>
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> necesaria.
>
Re: AW: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 8/29/16, 1:45 AM, "Greg Dove" <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Chris, fyi the BinaryData class is now almost the same as as3 ByteArray
>except for the amf part missing: writeObject/readObject and amf0/amf3
>objectEncoding iirc. I think the only other difference is multibyte text
>methods missing as well. So it could be a good candidate for adding the
>missing amf support to....or perhaps a subclass because I know Alex
>mentioned the need to keep lighter options available for 'pay as you go'
>approach.
Yes, definitely we should keep pay-as-you-go in mind. I was wondering if
BinaryData could be used. Sounds like it could be a good starting point.
I'd love to see AMF working in JS. I think there is a serious chunk of
work in the writeObject/readObject but hopefully it can be encapsulated in
beads.
I do wonder how well AMF for JS will perform. It certainly would ease
migration effort, but performance-wise, it makes the client run the object
conversion entirely in JS as opposed to sending some sort of JSON over and
having it converted by the browser runtime and then converted to objects.
-Alex
Re: AW: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
Posted by Greg Dove <gr...@gmail.com>.
Chris, fyi the BinaryData class is now almost the same as as3 ByteArray
except for the amf part missing: writeObject/readObject and amf0/amf3
objectEncoding iirc. I think the only other difference is multibyte text
methods missing as well. So it could be a good candidate for adding the
missing amf support to....or perhaps a subclass because I know Alex
mentioned the need to keep lighter options available for 'pay as you go'
approach.
-Greg
[sent from my phone]
On 29/08/2016 8:19 PM, "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
I did write a J2ME serializer for AMF a while ago and I'm very familiar
with the protocol.
Eventually this would be a good thing for me to start writing some
Cross-Compilable ActionScript ;-)
As I see it the COMPILE:SWF part would be trivial ...
Currently I'm sort of got my plate full with the upcomming conferences, but
after that ...
Chris
________________________________
Von: carlos.rovira@gmail.com <ca...@gmail.com> im Auftrag von
Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
Gesendet: Montag, 29. August 2016 10:12:24
An: dev@flex.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
I commented in other threads in favor of AMF support since is a piece of
the Flex eco system in witch many people based lots of apps out there.
Supporting AMF in FlexJS means for many people change only the Flex(Flash)
layer for FlexJS without touching server side part.
In the other hand I continue to see AMF as a great option to comunicate
data with the server. So I think it will be other piece that will make
FlexJS a better option over its competitors.
I don't know how much effort it could be. See some AMF js ports out there,
but although it seems the base algorithms are in place, no body makes a
RemoteObject that could compete with the ease of use in Flex making realy
usable.
So for me is a positive vote and will be, without doubt, a great addition
to FlexJS
Thanks for pointing this Chris
Carlos
2016-08-26 16:25 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>
> On 8/26/16, 1:27 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >
> >I am currently working on my FlexJS Talks slides and as part of that I am
> >discussing the History of ECMAScript. While digging up the changes in
> >ECMAScript, I noticed that version 6 introduced typed arrays. It sounds
> >to me as if this would be great to start working on AMF support in
FlexJS.
> >
> >
> >Think this could be a nice excercise for me during the autumn and winter
> >months ;-)
>
> AMF for JS has been discussed in the past. We could definitely use a
> volunteer to work on it. One starting point might be [1] but not sure
> about licensing and whether it actually works.
>
> [1]
> http://www.jamesward.com/2010/07/07/amf-js-a-pure-
> javascript-amf-implementa
> tion/
>
> >
> >
> >Do we have the ability to provide functionality based on the capabilities
> >of the browser?
> >
>
> I don't think we have any code that does that now. ES6 would be a
> different emitter and probably not switched at runtime. I think folks
> might serve different versions based on HTTP headers instead.
>
> You could also find a way to add code that does browser detection and load
> polyfills.
>
> HTH,
> -Alex
>
>
--
Carlos Rovira
Director General
M: +34 607 22 60 05
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.avant2.es
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AW: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
Posted by Christofer Dutz <ch...@c-ware.de>.
I did write a J2ME serializer for AMF a while ago and I'm very familiar with the protocol.
Eventually this would be a good thing for me to start writing some Cross-Compilable ActionScript ;-)
As I see it the COMPILE:SWF part would be trivial ...
Currently I'm sort of got my plate full with the upcomming conferences, but after that ...
Chris
________________________________
Von: carlos.rovira@gmail.com <ca...@gmail.com> im Auftrag von Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>
Gesendet: Montag, 29. August 2016 10:12:24
An: dev@flex.apache.org
Betreff: Re: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
I commented in other threads in favor of AMF support since is a piece of
the Flex eco system in witch many people based lots of apps out there.
Supporting AMF in FlexJS means for many people change only the Flex(Flash)
layer for FlexJS without touching server side part.
In the other hand I continue to see AMF as a great option to comunicate
data with the server. So I think it will be other piece that will make
FlexJS a better option over its competitors.
I don't know how much effort it could be. See some AMF js ports out there,
but although it seems the base algorithms are in place, no body makes a
RemoteObject that could compete with the ease of use in Flex making realy
usable.
So for me is a positive vote and will be, without doubt, a great addition
to FlexJS
Thanks for pointing this Chris
Carlos
2016-08-26 16:25 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>
> On 8/26/16, 1:27 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >
> >I am currently working on my FlexJS Talks slides and as part of that I am
> >discussing the History of ECMAScript. While digging up the changes in
> >ECMAScript, I noticed that version 6 introduced typed arrays. It sounds
> >to me as if this would be great to start working on AMF support in FlexJS.
> >
> >
> >Think this could be a nice excercise for me during the autumn and winter
> >months ;-)
>
> AMF for JS has been discussed in the past. We could definitely use a
> volunteer to work on it. One starting point might be [1] but not sure
> about licensing and whether it actually works.
>
> [1]
> http://www.jamesward.com/2010/07/07/amf-js-a-pure-
> javascript-amf-implementa
> tion/
>
> >
> >
> >Do we have the ability to provide functionality based on the capabilities
> >of the browser?
> >
>
> I don't think we have any code that does that now. ES6 would be a
> different emitter and probably not switched at runtime. I think folks
> might serve different versions based on HTTP headers instead.
>
> You could also find a way to add code that does browser detection and load
> polyfills.
>
> HTH,
> -Alex
>
>
--
Carlos Rovira
Director General
M: +34 607 22 60 05
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.avant2.es
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oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
necesaria.
Re: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.
I commented in other threads in favor of AMF support since is a piece of
the Flex eco system in witch many people based lots of apps out there.
Supporting AMF in FlexJS means for many people change only the Flex(Flash)
layer for FlexJS without touching server side part.
In the other hand I continue to see AMF as a great option to comunicate
data with the server. So I think it will be other piece that will make
FlexJS a better option over its competitors.
I don't know how much effort it could be. See some AMF js ports out there,
but although it seems the base algorithms are in place, no body makes a
RemoteObject that could compete with the ease of use in Flex making realy
usable.
So for me is a positive vote and will be, without doubt, a great addition
to FlexJS
Thanks for pointing this Chris
Carlos
2016-08-26 16:25 GMT+02:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>
> On 8/26/16, 1:27 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >
> >I am currently working on my FlexJS Talks slides and as part of that I am
> >discussing the History of ECMAScript. While digging up the changes in
> >ECMAScript, I noticed that version 6 introduced typed arrays. It sounds
> >to me as if this would be great to start working on AMF support in FlexJS.
> >
> >
> >Think this could be a nice excercise for me during the autumn and winter
> >months ;-)
>
> AMF for JS has been discussed in the past. We could definitely use a
> volunteer to work on it. One starting point might be [1] but not sure
> about licensing and whether it actually works.
>
> [1]
> http://www.jamesward.com/2010/07/07/amf-js-a-pure-
> javascript-amf-implementa
> tion/
>
> >
> >
> >Do we have the ability to provide functionality based on the capabilities
> >of the browser?
> >
>
> I don't think we have any code that does that now. ES6 would be a
> different emitter and probably not switched at runtime. I think folks
> might serve different versions based on HTTP headers instead.
>
> You could also find a way to add code that does browser detection and load
> polyfills.
>
> HTH,
> -Alex
>
>
--
Carlos Rovira
Director General
M: +34 607 22 60 05
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.avant2.es
Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
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que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a nuestras
oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
necesaria.
Re: [FlexJS] AMF support starting with in ECMAScript6?
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
On 8/26/16, 1:27 AM, "Christofer Dutz" <ch...@c-ware.de> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>
>I am currently working on my FlexJS Talks slides and as part of that I am
>discussing the History of ECMAScript. While digging up the changes in
>ECMAScript, I noticed that version 6 introduced typed arrays. It sounds
>to me as if this would be great to start working on AMF support in FlexJS.
>
>
>Think this could be a nice excercise for me during the autumn and winter
>months ;-)
AMF for JS has been discussed in the past. We could definitely use a
volunteer to work on it. One starting point might be [1] but not sure
about licensing and whether it actually works.
[1]
http://www.jamesward.com/2010/07/07/amf-js-a-pure-javascript-amf-implementa
tion/
>
>
>Do we have the ability to provide functionality based on the capabilities
>of the browser?
>
I don't think we have any code that does that now. ES6 would be a
different emitter and probably not switched at runtime. I think folks
might serve different versions based on HTTP headers instead.
You could also find a way to add code that does browser detection and load
polyfills.
HTH,
-Alex