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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org> on 2012/01/18 17:05:54 UTC
18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
All,
Proposal:
1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
Wikipedia has a fair account:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
19 January 2012 GMT.
** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
them. **
I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
at the top of every podling page.
Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
thanks
louis
PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
Of course. The travail of being new here: I kept waiting. Silly me:
open source is about doing it yourself, in community, not about
watching others do it for you. That's TV.
louis
On 18 January 2012 17:53, Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com> wrote:
> While it might have been appropriate for ASF projects such as AOO to
> join today's SOPA/PIPA protest, I agree that it's too late to
> coordinate now. The Wikipedia community has been working towards their
> protest action for more than a week, including a town hall meeting and
> other consensus-verification processes. Even so, there is today an
> interview with a community member who doesn't like the action they've
> taken. In short, I just don't think we have time to socialize such an
> action on the part of even the AOO project before the protest would be
> "over".
>
> D
>
> On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> Proposal:
>>
>> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
>> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
>> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
>> Wikipedia has a fair account:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>>
>> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
>> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
>> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>>
>>
>> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
>> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
>> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
>> them. **
>>
>>
>> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
>> at the top of every podling page.
>>
>> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>>
>> thanks
>> louis
>>
>> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
>> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
>> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
>> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Danese Cooper <da...@gmail.com>.
While it might have been appropriate for ASF projects such as AOO to
join today's SOPA/PIPA protest, I agree that it's too late to
coordinate now. The Wikipedia community has been working towards their
protest action for more than a week, including a town hall meeting and
other consensus-verification processes. Even so, there is today an
interview with a community member who doesn't like the action they've
taken. In short, I just don't think we have time to socialize such an
action on the part of even the AOO project before the protest would be
"over".
D
On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:05 AM, Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org> wrote:
> All,
> Proposal:
>
> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
> Wikipedia has a fair account:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>
> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>
>
> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
> them. **
>
>
> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
> at the top of every podling page.
>
> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>
> thanks
> louis
>
> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, Shane.
Nothing is not political, if someone else has an opinion differing
from yours and the ability to represent it. So I was indeed intrigued
by Wikipedia's dark action yesterday, as it too seems to be a
nonprofit, no?
But I would only work with the Board to promote those things that are
in the interest of Apache, of course. For instance, the protest
yesterday, but one can suppose even more dramatic instances--and they
would have to be dramatic indeed to enjoin the entire collective.
best
Louis
On 19 January 2012 11:29, Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 2012-01-18 11:11 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
>>
>> Sally,
>>
>>
>> On 18 January 2012 22:11, Sally Khudairi<sk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, Louis -- not ignoring you; have been offsite for most of the day.
>>
>>
>> Actually, not a problem. I knew when I posted my first of several
>> messages late last night that it was way, way too late. But I had
>> waited for ASF to do something obvious on its own behalf, and when it
>> didn't--and when no one on the A OO list did, either--I thought at the
>> least I'd raise the issue, conscious of its belatedness; indeed, that
>> was part of the point, and I should hope that for the next time (and
>> there will be no end of next times) we can act before not after it's
>> too late.
>>
>>>
>>> Usually we (ASF Marketing& Publicity) need more than same-day notice to
>>>
>>> coordinate such efforts.
>>>
>>> I know there's been discussion about this on the Membership side as well,
>>> but the consensus (thus far) is to not black out *.apache.org, as was
>>> suggested. No further action has been decided upon, IIRC.
>>
>>
>> Evidently.
>>
>>>
>>> Let's also keep in mind that the ASF Infrastructure team need to be kept
>>> abreast of any decisions/proposals here as well, as they're the ones
>>> capable
>>> of pulling the trigger on the site.
>>
>>
>> I am conscious of these things. So. Let's imagine that I want to get
>> ASF to do something reflecting the will of at least one of its
>> podlings. As was pointed out, we here can put up a demonstration. But
>> how would I go about persuading the ASF directorate? And is there any
>> kind of apparatus (political, technical) that would even allow for the
>> entire domain to reflect a banner message? (I'd assume, yes, but one
>> never knows.)
>
>
> By "ASF directorate" do you mean the board? 8-) In terms of politics, I
> think you'll find the ASF Membership generally stays out of politics, at
> least in terms of official ASF messages (although many Members certainly
> have their own strongly held and blogged views!). In terms of technology,
> the infra team can provide advice and implement all sorts of cool things on
> the website if necessary.
>
> The list of ASF officers is public:
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/
>
> And this is a somewhat helpful overview of corporate structure:
> http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#structure
>
> For this kind of question, it's really first up to a sufficient group of ASF
> Members who also volunteer to help do the work of publishing any theoretical
> apache.org top level website message. Depending on the situation, we'd
> certainly ask press@ for advice on how to make the message most effective.
> And any official statement would either be voted on by the board@, or would
> be signed by a specific ASF officer, depending on what topic it's on.
>
> But historically we've shown that the ASF tends to take official positions
> rarely, and only about fundamental issues that are likely to affect all of
> our projects. My general impression of the Membership is that we don't want
> to be an advocacy group: we merely want to provide a good home for
> like-minded projects who choose to come here.
>
> Individual projects are obviously allowed to manage their own websites as
> they wish, as long as they respect ASF policy and don't cross the line into
> types of lobbying that we're not allowed to do (for our particular kind of
> non-profit status in the US).
>
> - Shane
>
>>
>> Thanks
>> louis
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Sally
>>>
>>> = = = = =
>>> Boston +1 617 921 8656
>>> London +44 (0) 20 3239 9686
>>> skype sallykhudairi
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Louis Suárez-Potts<lo...@apache.org>
>>> To: "ooo-dev@incubator"<oo...@incubator.apache.org>; ASF Marketing&
>>> Marketing& Publicity<pr...@apache.org>
>>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 11:05
>>> Subject: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>>>
>>> All,
>>> Proposal:
>>>
>>> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
>>> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
>>> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
>>> Wikipedia has a fair account:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>>>
>>> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
>>> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
>>> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>>>
>>>
>>> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
>>> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
>>> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
>>> them. **
>>>
>>>
>>> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
>>> at the top of every podling page.
>>>
>>> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>>>
>>> thanks
>>> louis
>>>
>>> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
>>> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
>>> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
>>> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
>>>
>>>
>
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
On 2012-01-18 11:11 PM, Louis Suárez-Potts wrote:
> Sally,
>
>
> On 18 January 2012 22:11, Sally Khudairi<sk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Sorry, Louis -- not ignoring you; have been offsite for most of the day.
>
> Actually, not a problem. I knew when I posted my first of several
> messages late last night that it was way, way too late. But I had
> waited for ASF to do something obvious on its own behalf, and when it
> didn't--and when no one on the A OO list did, either--I thought at the
> least I'd raise the issue, conscious of its belatedness; indeed, that
> was part of the point, and I should hope that for the next time (and
> there will be no end of next times) we can act before not after it's
> too late.
>
>>
>> Usually we (ASF Marketing& Publicity) need more than same-day notice to
>> coordinate such efforts.
>>
>> I know there's been discussion about this on the Membership side as well,
>> but the consensus (thus far) is to not black out *.apache.org, as was
>> suggested. No further action has been decided upon, IIRC.
>
> Evidently.
>
>>
>> Let's also keep in mind that the ASF Infrastructure team need to be kept
>> abreast of any decisions/proposals here as well, as they're the ones capable
>> of pulling the trigger on the site.
>
> I am conscious of these things. So. Let's imagine that I want to get
> ASF to do something reflecting the will of at least one of its
> podlings. As was pointed out, we here can put up a demonstration. But
> how would I go about persuading the ASF directorate? And is there any
> kind of apparatus (political, technical) that would even allow for the
> entire domain to reflect a banner message? (I'd assume, yes, but one
> never knows.)
By "ASF directorate" do you mean the board? 8-) In terms of politics,
I think you'll find the ASF Membership generally stays out of politics,
at least in terms of official ASF messages (although many Members
certainly have their own strongly held and blogged views!). In terms of
technology, the infra team can provide advice and implement all sorts of
cool things on the website if necessary.
The list of ASF officers is public:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/
And this is a somewhat helpful overview of corporate structure:
http://apache.org/foundation/how-it-works.html#structure
For this kind of question, it's really first up to a sufficient group of
ASF Members who also volunteer to help do the work of publishing any
theoretical apache.org top level website message. Depending on the
situation, we'd certainly ask press@ for advice on how to make the
message most effective. And any official statement would either be
voted on by the board@, or would be signed by a specific ASF officer,
depending on what topic it's on.
But historically we've shown that the ASF tends to take official
positions rarely, and only about fundamental issues that are likely to
affect all of our projects. My general impression of the Membership is
that we don't want to be an advocacy group: we merely want to provide a
good home for like-minded projects who choose to come here.
Individual projects are obviously allowed to manage their own websites
as they wish, as long as they respect ASF policy and don't cross the
line into types of lobbying that we're not allowed to do (for our
particular kind of non-profit status in the US).
- Shane
>
> Thanks
> louis
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sally
>>
>> = = = = =
>> Boston +1 617 921 8656
>> London +44 (0) 20 3239 9686
>> skype sallykhudairi
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Louis Suárez-Potts<lo...@apache.org>
>> To: "ooo-dev@incubator"<oo...@incubator.apache.org>; ASF Marketing&
>> Marketing& Publicity<pr...@apache.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 11:05
>> Subject: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>>
>> All,
>> Proposal:
>>
>> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
>> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
>> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
>> Wikipedia has a fair account:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>>
>> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
>> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
>> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>>
>>
>> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
>> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
>> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
>> them. **
>>
>>
>> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
>> at the top of every podling page.
>>
>> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>>
>> thanks
>> louis
>>
>> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
>> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
>> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
>> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
>>
>>
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, but I meant informal mention. I sometimes informally mention things related to this, and also ODF.
(Nonsense words? iPad's spellchecker.)
-- Louis Suárez-Potts
On 2012-01-23, at 23:31, Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Louis --
>
> Regarding your query on issuing a statement on the ASF blog (or otherwise), this is something that you --the collective Apache OpenOffice.org iPMC-- can do. As you're still undergoing incubation, the ASF Marketing & Publicity team are unable to issue press releases or make any formal announcements regarding the project. When you become a TLP, we can kick that into gear by helping with major milestone announcements.
>
> In the meantime, feel free to send a note to the ASF Infrastructure team to receive posting credentials for blogs.apache.org. As long as there's consensus within the iPMC of what will be posted on behalf of the incubating project, you're good to go. I know that Don Harbison (copied) is coordinating much of this on behalf of the project.
>
> Should there not be consensus regarding issuing a statement, the you may post something on your personal blog or elsewhere, but must make it absolutely clear that it is your personal opinion and that you are not representing the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org iPMC or community -at large.
>
> Cheers,
> Sally
>
> = = = = = Boston +1 617 921 8656 London +44 (0) 20 3239 9686 skype sallykhudairi
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>
> To: Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>
> Cc: "ooo-dev@incubator" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; ASF Marketing & Marketing & Publicity <pr...@apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 23:11
> Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>
> Sally,
>
>
> On 18 January 2012 22:11, Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Sorry, Louis -- not ignoring you; have been offsite for most of the day.
>
> Actually, not a problem. I knew when I posted my first of several
> messages late last night that it was way, way too late. But I had
> waited for ASF to do something obvious on its own behalf, and when it
> didn't--and when no one on the A OO list did, either--I thought at the
> least I'd raise the issue, conscious of its belatedness; indeed, that
> was part of the point, and I should hope that for the next time (and
> there will be no end of next times) we can act before not after it's
> too late.
>
> >
> > Usually we (ASF Marketing & Publicity) need more than same-day notice to
> > coordinate such efforts.
> >
> > I know there's been discussion about this on the Membership side as well,
> > but the consensus (thus far) is to not black out *.apache.org, as was
> > suggested. No further action has been decided upon, IIRC.
>
> Evidently.
>
> >
> > Let's also keep in mind that the ASF Infrastructure team need to be kept
> > abreast of any decisions/proposals here as well, as they're the ones capable
> > of pulling the trigger on the site.
>
> I am conscious of these things. So. Let's imagine that I want to get
> ASF to do something reflecting the will of at least one of its
> podlings. As was pointed out, we here can put up a demonstration. But
> how would I go about persuading the ASF directorate? And is there any
> kind of apparatus (political, technical) that would even allow for the
> entire domain to reflect a banner message? (I'd assume, yes, but one
> never knows.)
>
> Thanks
> louis
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Sally
> >
> > = = = = =
> > Boston +1 617 921 8656
> > London +44 (0) 20 3239 9686
> > skype sallykhudairi
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>
> > To: "ooo-dev@incubator" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; ASF Marketing &
> > Marketing & Publicity <pr...@apache.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 11:05
> > Subject: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
> >
> > All,
> > Proposal:
> >
> > 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
> > bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
> > that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
> > Wikipedia has a fair account:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
> >
> > 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
> > language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
> > 19 January 2012 GMT.
> >
> >
> > ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
> > darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
> > of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
> > them. **
> >
> >
> > I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
> > at the top of every podling page.
> >
> > Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
> >
> > thanks
> > louis
> >
> > PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
> > that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
> > together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
> > issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
> >
> >
>
>
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Hi Louis --
Regarding your query on issuing a statement on the ASF blog (or otherwise), this is something that you --the collective Apache OpenOffice.org iPMC-- can do. As you're still undergoing incubation, the ASF Marketing & Publicity team are unable to issue press releases or make any formal announcements regarding the project. When you become a TLP, we can kick that into gear by helping with major milestone announcements.
In the meantime, feel free to send a note to the ASF Infrastructure team to receive posting credentials for blogs.apache.org. As long as there's consensus within the iPMC of what will be posted on behalf of the incubating project, you're good to go. I know that Don Harbison (copied) is coordinating much of this on behalf of the project.
Should there not be consensus regarding issuing a statement, the you may post something on your personal blog or elsewhere, but must make it absolutely clear that it is your personal opinion and that you are not representing the ASF or the Apache OpenOffice.org iPMC or community -at large.
Cheers,
Sally
= = = = = Boston +1 617 921 8656 London +44 (0) 20 3239 9686 skype sallykhudairi
>________________________________
>From: Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>
>To: Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>
>Cc: "ooo-dev@incubator" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; ASF Marketing & Marketing & Publicity <pr...@apache.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 23:11
>Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>
>Sally,
>
>
>On 18 January 2012 22:11, Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Sorry, Louis -- not ignoring you; have been offsite for most of the day.
>
>Actually, not a problem. I knew when I posted my first of several
>messages late last night that it was way, way too late. But I had
>waited for ASF to do something obvious on its own behalf, and when it
>didn't--and when no one on the A OO list did, either--I thought at the
>least I'd raise the issue, conscious of its belatedness; indeed, that
>was part of the point, and I should hope that for the next time (and
>there will be no end of next times) we can act before not after it's
>too late.
>
>>
>> Usually we (ASF Marketing & Publicity) need more than same-day notice to
>> coordinate such efforts.
>>
>> I know there's been discussion about this on the Membership side as well,
>> but the consensus (thus far) is to not black out *.apache.org, as was
>> suggested. No further action has been decided upon, IIRC.
>
>Evidently.
>
>>
>> Let's also keep in mind that the ASF Infrastructure team need to be kept
>> abreast of any decisions/proposals here as well, as they're the ones capable
>> of pulling the trigger on the site.
>
>I am conscious of these things. So. Let's imagine that I want to get
>ASF to do something reflecting the will of at least one of its
>podlings. As was pointed out, we here can put up a demonstration. But
>how would I go about persuading the ASF directorate? And is there any
>kind of apparatus (political, technical) that would even allow for the
>entire domain to reflect a banner message? (I'd assume, yes, but one
>never knows.)
>
>Thanks
>louis
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Sally
>>
>> = = = = =
>> Boston +1 617 921 8656
>> London +44 (0) 20 3239 9686
>> skype sallykhudairi
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>
>> To: "ooo-dev@incubator" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; ASF Marketing &
>> Marketing & Publicity <pr...@apache.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 11:05
>> Subject: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>>
>> All,
>> Proposal:
>>
>> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
>> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
>> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
>> Wikipedia has a fair account:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>>
>> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
>> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
>> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>>
>>
>> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
>> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
>> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
>> them. **
>>
>>
>> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
>> at the top of every podling page.
>>
>> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>>
>> thanks
>> louis
>>
>> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
>> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
>> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
>> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
>>
>>
>
>
>
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>.
Sally,
On 18 January 2012 22:11, Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org> wrote:
> Sorry, Louis -- not ignoring you; have been offsite for most of the day.
Actually, not a problem. I knew when I posted my first of several
messages late last night that it was way, way too late. But I had
waited for ASF to do something obvious on its own behalf, and when it
didn't--and when no one on the A OO list did, either--I thought at the
least I'd raise the issue, conscious of its belatedness; indeed, that
was part of the point, and I should hope that for the next time (and
there will be no end of next times) we can act before not after it's
too late.
>
> Usually we (ASF Marketing & Publicity) need more than same-day notice to
> coordinate such efforts.
>
> I know there's been discussion about this on the Membership side as well,
> but the consensus (thus far) is to not black out *.apache.org, as was
> suggested. No further action has been decided upon, IIRC.
Evidently.
>
> Let's also keep in mind that the ASF Infrastructure team need to be kept
> abreast of any decisions/proposals here as well, as they're the ones capable
> of pulling the trigger on the site.
I am conscious of these things. So. Let's imagine that I want to get
ASF to do something reflecting the will of at least one of its
podlings. As was pointed out, we here can put up a demonstration. But
how would I go about persuading the ASF directorate? And is there any
kind of apparatus (political, technical) that would even allow for the
entire domain to reflect a banner message? (I'd assume, yes, but one
never knows.)
Thanks
louis
>
> Thanks,
> Sally
>
> = = = = =
> Boston +1 617 921 8656
> London +44 (0) 20 3239 9686
> skype sallykhudairi
>
> ________________________________
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>
> To: "ooo-dev@incubator" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; ASF Marketing &
> Marketing & Publicity <pr...@apache.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 11:05
> Subject: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>
> All,
> Proposal:
>
> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
> Wikipedia has a fair account:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>
> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>
>
> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
> them. **
>
>
> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
> at the top of every podling page.
>
> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>
> thanks
> louis
>
> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
>
>
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Sally Khudairi <sk...@apache.org>.
Sorry, Louis -- not ignoring you; have been offsite for most of the day.
Usually we (ASF Marketing & Publicity) need more than same-day notice to coordinate such efforts.
I know there's been discussion about this on the Membership side as well, but the consensus (thus far) is to not black out *.apache.org, as was suggested. No further action has been decided upon, IIRC.
Let's also keep in mind that the ASF Infrastructure team need to be kept abreast of any decisions/proposals here as well, as they're the ones capable of pulling the trigger on the site.
Thanks,
Sally
= = = = =
Boston +1 617 921 8656
London +44 (0) 20 3239 9686
skype sallykhudairi
>________________________________
> From: Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org>
>To: "ooo-dev@incubator" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; ASF Marketing & Marketing & Publicity <pr...@apache.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, 18 January 2012, 11:05
>Subject: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>
>All,
>Proposal:
>
>1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
>bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
>that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
>Wikipedia has a fair account:
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>
>2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
>language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
>19 January 2012 GMT.
>
>
>** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
>darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
>of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
>them. **
>
>
>I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
>at the top of every podling page.
>
>Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>
>thanks
>louis
>
>PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
>that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
>together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
>issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
>
>
>
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
Dennis,
Read over Don's post. He was using an analogy, I believe, to make a
point about SOPA.
Louis
On 18 January 2012 13:53, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> Don,
>
> What's your understanding of the connection between open-source encryption algorithms and SOPA/PIPA? Where is there more information available?
>
> Are you talking about the encryption methods themselves or the *use* of encryption in support of piracy. Those are different.
>
> With regard to encryption software at Apache, there are existing provisions by which encryption in ASF releases are registered with the US Government. The methods being provided in open-source is part of what makes them permissible.
>
> Also, the *current* OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice releases incorporate open-source encryption methods. Apache OpenOffice developer snapshots do as well (though there may be some short-term impact with the removal of dependencies on libraries whose licenses are incompatible with ALv2).
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhytock@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 09:56
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>
> This showed up on Yahoo today...
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/wikipedia-editors-sites-blackout-120914984.html
>
> Apparently some feel that Wikipedia shouldn't take any political
> stands at all...that it sets a bad precedent and potentially damages
> its reputation. Me, I think Wikipedia isn't taking a political stand
> as much as a personal one, since the legislation affects Wikipedia
> directly. But perceptions are subjective.
>
> I think Apache in general, and perhaps AOO in particular, could also
> take a personal stand. After all, if I'm reading the EFF analysis
> correctly, one good open-source encryption implementation could get
> Apache shut down. Weren't y'all discussing encryption standards and
> implementations here a few months ago?
>
> Don
>
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <ls...@gmail.com>.
Thanks, Dennis: that was a good revelation.
Sopa and Pipa are more than intrusive vehicles and worse than
structures for arbitrary censorship (arbitrary: power wielded by
unaccountable entities in the service of their own interests). The two
bills sediment a regime of legacy power over the creation and
distribution of content (read: data) that the Internet has, I love to
think, gone a great way to disassemble. (Internet as inclusive of SMS
and other non-Web data relays.) The bills are very poorly written but
not, I'm afraid, poorly thought out. At least, my paranoia tells me
that we will see more of the same before long, as legacy power has
extraordinary longevity.
But I hope and do more than hope, I try to act on my beliefs, that the
communities that make up the Web and make it what it is (and Apache is
at the centre in so many ways), will resist such dead and deadening
power the way living things do: unspecified but nevertheless moving,
and sometimes even in obvious community.
-louis
On 18 January 2012 16:14, Dennis E. Hamilton <de...@acm.org> wrote:
> Answering my own question a little:
>
> In the previous part of the 3-part EFF article, it is mentioned that making it
> difficult to discover whether some content is infringing can be a violation of
> SOPA/PIPA.
>
> Whether this can reach beyond a suspicious use of encryption to the software
> used to perform encryption and the format of the encryption is not clear.
>
> This raises a common problem about the fact of encryption being a smoking gun
> for intervention without protections of due process (and privacy in
> confidential communications).
>
> That is worrisome by itself, although I can see easier ridiculous cases. For
> example, consider a privately-shared folder on Windows Live Skydrive involving
> no encryption there but with commonly used encryption for transport-level
> security.
>
> An ODF package can already be used for encryption and communication of a
> pirated digital work. Should all implementers of the encryption provisions be
> worried? Probably not.
>
> [It may still be very sloppy law and any self-deputizing of vigilante
> enforcers is a terrible notion.]
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:42
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: RE: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>
> I agree that the EFF tends to go hyperbolic. The only specific case mentioned
> is the anti-circumvention aspect of the DMCA.
>
> But providing encryption software is not a way to circumvent DRM.
>
> This passage is peculiar: " Essentially any software product or service, such
> as many encryption programs, that is not responsive to blocking orders could
> be under threat."
>
> I am left puzzled about what is a blocking order against a software product,
> and how do SOPA/PIPA reach there? What does it mean for a software product to
> be non-responsive?
>
> If anyone has an explanation tied to details in the proposed legislation, it
> would be interesting to know if there is then a matter for ASF concern.
>
> (I am not in favor of SOPA/PIPA; I am in favor of getting the facts straight.)
>
> - Dennis
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhytock@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:39
> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
>
> Including the list this time. Watch those reply-tos, Dennis...:)
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
> <de...@acm.org> wrote:
>> Don,
>>
>> What's your understanding of the connection between open-source encryption
>> algorithms and SOPA/PIPA? Where is there more information available?
>
>
> This was the EFF article I saw on the topic:
>
> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/hollywood-new-war-on-software-freedom-and-internet-innovation
>
> It's a little alarmist, but the general tone is that if some idiot can
> think there's any relationship between software that hides information
> and efforts to circumvent DNS censorship, the site that provides said
> software can find itself blocked.
>
> Feel free to substitute "government official" for "idiot" as needed.
> Seriously, how many politicians do you know that really know what
> security software does? They don't have to be right. They just have
> to have the authority.
RE: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Answering my own question a little:
In the previous part of the 3-part EFF article, it is mentioned that making it
difficult to discover whether some content is infringing can be a violation of
SOPA/PIPA.
Whether this can reach beyond a suspicious use of encryption to the software
used to perform encryption and the format of the encryption is not clear.
This raises a common problem about the fact of encryption being a smoking gun
for intervention without protections of due process (and privacy in
confidential communications).
That is worrisome by itself, although I can see easier ridiculous cases. For
example, consider a privately-shared folder on Windows Live Skydrive involving
no encryption there but with commonly used encryption for transport-level
security.
An ODF package can already be used for encryption and communication of a
pirated digital work. Should all implementers of the encryption provisions be
worried? Probably not.
[It may still be very sloppy law and any self-deputizing of vigilante
enforcers is a terrible notion.]
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamilton@acm.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:42
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: RE: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
I agree that the EFF tends to go hyperbolic. The only specific case mentioned
is the anti-circumvention aspect of the DMCA.
But providing encryption software is not a way to circumvent DRM.
This passage is peculiar: " Essentially any software product or service, such
as many encryption programs, that is not responsive to blocking orders could
be under threat."
I am left puzzled about what is a blocking order against a software product,
and how do SOPA/PIPA reach there? What does it mean for a software product to
be non-responsive?
If anyone has an explanation tied to details in the proposed legislation, it
would be interesting to know if there is then a matter for ASF concern.
(I am not in favor of SOPA/PIPA; I am in favor of getting the facts straight.)
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhytock@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:39
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Including the list this time. Watch those reply-tos, Dennis...:)
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<de...@acm.org> wrote:
> Don,
>
> What's your understanding of the connection between open-source encryption
> algorithms and SOPA/PIPA? Where is there more information available?
This was the EFF article I saw on the topic:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/hollywood-new-war-on-software-freedom-and-internet-innovation
It's a little alarmist, but the general tone is that if some idiot can
think there's any relationship between software that hides information
and efforts to circumvent DNS censorship, the site that provides said
software can find itself blocked.
Feel free to substitute "government official" for "idiot" as needed.
Seriously, how many politicians do you know that really know what
security software does? They don't have to be right. They just have
to have the authority.
RE: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
I agree that the EFF tends to go hyperbolic. The only specific case mentioned
is the anti-circumvention aspect of the DMCA.
But providing encryption software is not a way to circumvent DRM.
This passage is peculiar: " Essentially any software product or service, such
as many encryption programs, that is not responsive to blocking orders could
be under threat."
I am left puzzled about what is a blocking order against a software product,
and how do SOPA/PIPA reach there? What does it mean for a software product to
be non-responsive?
If anyone has an explanation tied to details in the proposed legislation, it
would be interesting to know if there is then a matter for ASF concern.
(I am not in favor of SOPA/PIPA; I am in favor of getting the facts straight.)
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhytock@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:39
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Including the list this time. Watch those reply-tos, Dennis...:)
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<de...@acm.org> wrote:
> Don,
>
> What's your understanding of the connection between open-source encryption
> algorithms and SOPA/PIPA? Where is there more information available?
This was the EFF article I saw on the topic:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/hollywood-new-war-on-software-freedom-and-internet-innovation
It's a little alarmist, but the general tone is that if some idiot can
think there's any relationship between software that hides information
and efforts to circumvent DNS censorship, the site that provides said
software can find itself blocked.
Feel free to substitute "government official" for "idiot" as needed.
Seriously, how many politicians do you know that really know what
security software does? They don't have to be right. They just have
to have the authority.
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
Including the list this time. Watch those reply-tos, Dennis...:)
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 1:53 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton
<de...@acm.org> wrote:
> Don,
>
> What's your understanding of the connection between open-source encryption algorithms and SOPA/PIPA? Where is there more information available?
This was the EFF article I saw on the topic:
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/11/hollywood-new-war-on-software-freedom-and-internet-innovation
It's a little alarmist, but the general tone is that if some idiot can
think there's any relationship between software that hides information
and efforts to circumvent DNS censorship, the site that provides said
software can find itself blocked.
Feel free to substitute "government official" for "idiot" as needed.
Seriously, how many politicians do you know that really know what
security software does? They don't have to be right. They just have
to have the authority.
RE: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Don,
What's your understanding of the connection between open-source encryption algorithms and SOPA/PIPA? Where is there more information available?
Are you talking about the encryption methods themselves or the *use* of encryption in support of piracy. Those are different.
With regard to encryption software at Apache, there are existing provisions by which encryption in ASF releases are registered with the US Government. The methods being provided in open-source is part of what makes them permissible.
Also, the *current* OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice releases incorporate open-source encryption methods. Apache OpenOffice developer snapshots do as well (though there may be some short-term impact with the removal of dependencies on libraries whose licenses are incompatible with ALv2).
- Dennis
-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Whytock [mailto:dwhytock@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 09:56
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
This showed up on Yahoo today...
http://news.yahoo.com/wikipedia-editors-sites-blackout-120914984.html
Apparently some feel that Wikipedia shouldn't take any political
stands at all...that it sets a bad precedent and potentially damages
its reputation. Me, I think Wikipedia isn't taking a political stand
as much as a personal one, since the legislation affects Wikipedia
directly. But perceptions are subjective.
I think Apache in general, and perhaps AOO in particular, could also
take a personal stand. After all, if I'm reading the EFF analysis
correctly, one good open-source encryption implementation could get
Apache shut down. Weren't y'all discussing encryption standards and
implementations here a few months ago?
Don
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Donald Whytock <dw...@gmail.com>.
This showed up on Yahoo today...
http://news.yahoo.com/wikipedia-editors-sites-blackout-120914984.html
Apparently some feel that Wikipedia shouldn't take any political
stands at all...that it sets a bad precedent and potentially damages
its reputation. Me, I think Wikipedia isn't taking a political stand
as much as a personal one, since the legislation affects Wikipedia
directly. But perceptions are subjective.
I think Apache in general, and perhaps AOO in particular, could also
take a personal stand. After all, if I'm reading the EFF analysis
correctly, one good open-source encryption implementation could get
Apache shut down. Weren't y'all discussing encryption standards and
implementations here a few months ago?
Don
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Nancy K <na...@yahoo.com>.
Grrr.broken, try
reason.com/blog/2011/11/08/new-anti-piracy-legislation-would-break
Nancy Web Design
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________________________________
From: Nancy K <na...@yahoo.com>
To: "ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
I found this interesting - as I too am trying to weed out the hype.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/08/new-anti-piracy-legislation-would-break
Nancy Web Design
Free 24 hour pass to lynda.com.
Video courses on SEO, CMS,
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________________________________
From: Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Hi,
I must say that I do not support these awful proposed laws. I've signed petitions to that effect as an individual.
While I support the idea of indicating our support. I think that it is a little late. If this proposal had come in a couple of days ago ...
Regards,
Dave
On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> The ASF will not say no. Individual projects can do what they want as
> long as it does not damage the foundation or the community.
>
> However, it is the decision of individual projects, so if you want all
> projects to do this then you have alot of mailing lists to work
> through.
>
> Ross
>
> On 18 January 2012 16:05, Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> All,
>> Proposal:
>>
>> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
>> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
>> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
>> Wikipedia has a fair account:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>>
>> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
>> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
>> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>>
>>
>> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
>> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
>> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
>> them. **
>>
>>
>> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
>> at the top of every podling page.
>>
>> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>>
>> thanks
>> louis
>>
>> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
>> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
>> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
>> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Nancy K <na...@yahoo.com>.
I found this interesting - as I too am trying to weed out the hype.
http://reason.com/blog/2011/11/08/new-anti-piracy-legislation-would-break
Nancy Web Design
Free 24 hour pass to lynda.com.
Video courses on SEO, CMS,
Design and Software Courses
________________________________
From: Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>
To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Hi,
I must say that I do not support these awful proposed laws. I've signed petitions to that effect as an individual.
While I support the idea of indicating our support. I think that it is a little late. If this proposal had come in a couple of days ago ...
Regards,
Dave
On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> The ASF will not say no. Individual projects can do what they want as
> long as it does not damage the foundation or the community.
>
> However, it is the decision of individual projects, so if you want all
> projects to do this then you have alot of mailing lists to work
> through.
>
> Ross
>
> On 18 January 2012 16:05, Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> All,
>> Proposal:
>>
>> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
>> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
>> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
>> Wikipedia has a fair account:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>>
>> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
>> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
>> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>>
>>
>> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
>> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
>> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
>> them. **
>>
>>
>> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
>> at the top of every podling page.
>>
>> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>>
>> thanks
>> louis
>>
>> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
>> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
>> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
>> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi,
I must say that I do not support these awful proposed laws. I've signed petitions to that effect as an individual.
While I support the idea of indicating our support. I think that it is a little late. If this proposal had come in a couple of days ago ...
Regards,
Dave
On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> The ASF will not say no. Individual projects can do what they want as
> long as it does not damage the foundation or the community.
>
> However, it is the decision of individual projects, so if you want all
> projects to do this then you have alot of mailing lists to work
> through.
>
> Ross
>
> On 18 January 2012 16:05, Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org> wrote:
>> All,
>> Proposal:
>>
>> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
>> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
>> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
>> Wikipedia has a fair account:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>>
>> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
>> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
>> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>>
>>
>> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
>> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
>> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
>> them. **
>>
>>
>> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
>> at the top of every podling page.
>>
>> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>>
>> thanks
>> louis
>>
>> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
>> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
>> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
>> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
>
>
>
> --
> Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
> Programme Leader (Open Development)
> OpenDirective http://opendirective.com
Re: 18 Jan 2012: SOPA and PIPA Protest Banner
Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.
The ASF will not say no. Individual projects can do what they want as
long as it does not damage the foundation or the community.
However, it is the decision of individual projects, so if you want all
projects to do this then you have alot of mailing lists to work
through.
Ross
On 18 January 2012 16:05, Louis Suárez-Potts <lo...@apache.org> wrote:
> All,
> Proposal:
>
> 1. Let's vote on supporting those who have protested the proposed US
> bills supposed to combat piracy but actually doing a lot more than
> that and none of it good. These two proposals: SOPA and PIPA.
> Wikipedia has a fair account:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act
>
> 2. I would propose we post on the Apache OpenOffice podling site this
> language, for remainder of the day, to be taken down at the onset of
> 19 January 2012 GMT.
>
>
> ** The Apache OpenOffice Podling members support those who have
> darkened their Web sites as a unified gesture to protect the freedoms
> of the Internet and stop misguided legislation that would threaten
> them. **
>
>
> I would propose further that we have the text white on a black banner
> at the top of every podling page.
>
> Please vote as soon as you can, as obviously time is of the essence.
>
> thanks
> louis
>
> PS I'm cc'ing the ASF marketing and publicity list. Quite possible
> that Apache will say no, if so, that's fine. Better we act as a body
> together. But I would also suggest that ASF take the lead here and
> issue a statement, if they have not done so already.
--
Ross Gardler (@rgardler)
Programme Leader (Open Development)
OpenDirective http://opendirective.com