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Posted to dev@creadur.apache.org by Hugo Hirsch <as...@hugo-hirsch.de> on 2011/11/29 08:30:35 UTC

[Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Hi,

as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to 'creadur'.

+1
Hugo

Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <rd...@apache.org>.

On 11/29/11 13:55, sebb wrote:
> On 29 November 2011 13:51, Robert Burrell Donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote:
>> On 11/29/11 13:36, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:rdonkin@apache.org]
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 10:48 PM
>>>> To: rat-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur
>>>>
>>>> On 11/29/11 07:30, Hugo Hirsch wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to 'creadur'.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> The way I see it, we don't need to rename anything. Were Rat going to an
>>>> existing TLP, there would be no problem. The product names don't need to
>>>> change. We just need consensus on the board motion.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>
>>> Yes it is the 'project' we are renaming not the product. it was you yourself that
>>> said 'RAT' would not pass.
>>
>> That's my best guess but IANAL. I am reasonably sure that it will take
>> months of extra work to resolve conclusively whether Rat is suitable or
>> not. But it is also possible that the brand team may surprise me and
>> just approve Rat as a suitable name. Or the Incubator may remove the
>> rule about trademarks and push the problem of names back to the board.
>>
>> Having Rat as a podling name is safe but may no longer be suitable as a
>> top level project name. Officially renaming the podling would mean work
>> changing URLs etc which isn't necessary.
>>
>> So I think the best tactic is just to get everything else sorted out and
>> leave the name until the last minute.
> 
> Perhaps turn this vote into:
> 
> Accept Creadur as an alternative TLP name
> 
> or similar, in which case the vote will be ready if needed.
> Would that work?

+1

Thanks :-)

Robert

Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by sebb <se...@gmail.com>.

On 29 November 2011 13:51, Robert Burrell Donkin <rd...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 11/29/11 13:36, Gavin McDonald wrote:
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:rdonkin@apache.org]
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 10:48 PM
>>> To: rat-dev@incubator.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur
>>>
>>> On 11/29/11 07:30, Hugo Hirsch wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to 'creadur'.
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>
>>> The way I see it, we don't need to rename anything. Were Rat going to an
>>> existing TLP, there would be no problem. The product names don't need to
>>> change. We just need consensus on the board motion.
>>>
>>> Robert
>>
>> Yes it is the 'project' we are renaming not the product. it was you yourself that
>> said 'RAT' would not pass.
>
> That's my best guess but IANAL. I am reasonably sure that it will take
> months of extra work to resolve conclusively whether Rat is suitable or
> not. But it is also possible that the brand team may surprise me and
> just approve Rat as a suitable name. Or the Incubator may remove the
> rule about trademarks and push the problem of names back to the board.
>
> Having Rat as a podling name is safe but may no longer be suitable as a
> top level project name. Officially renaming the podling would mean work
> changing URLs etc which isn't necessary.
>
> So I think the best tactic is just to get everything else sorted out and
> leave the name until the last minute.

Perhaps turn this vote into:

Accept Creadur as an alternative TLP name

or similar, in which case the vote will be ready if needed.
Would that work?

> Robert

Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <rd...@apache.org>.

On 11/29/11 13:36, Gavin McDonald wrote:
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:rdonkin@apache.org]
>> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 10:48 PM
>> To: rat-dev@incubator.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur
>>
>> On 11/29/11 07:30, Hugo Hirsch wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to 'creadur'.
>>>
>>> +1
>>
>> The way I see it, we don't need to rename anything. Were Rat going to an
>> existing TLP, there would be no problem. The product names don't need to
>> change. We just need consensus on the board motion.
>>
>> Robert
> 
> Yes it is the 'project' we are renaming not the product. it was you yourself that
> said 'RAT' would not pass.

That's my best guess but IANAL. I am reasonably sure that it will take
months of extra work to resolve conclusively whether Rat is suitable or
not. But it is also possible that the brand team may surprise me and
just approve Rat as a suitable name. Or the Incubator may remove the
rule about trademarks and push the problem of names back to the board.

Having Rat as a podling name is safe but may no longer be suitable as a
top level project name. Officially renaming the podling would mean work
changing URLs etc which isn't necessary.

So I think the best tactic is just to get everything else sorted out and
leave the name until the last minute.

Robert

RE: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Burrell Donkin [mailto:rdonkin@apache.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 10:48 PM
> To: rat-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur
> 
> On 11/29/11 07:30, Hugo Hirsch wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to 'creadur'.
> >
> > +1
> 
> The way I see it, we don't need to rename anything. Were Rat going to an
> existing TLP, there would be no problem. The product names don't need to
> change. We just need consensus on the board motion.
> 
> Robert

Yes it is the 'project' we are renaming not the product. it was you yourself that
said 'RAT' would not pass.

Gav...

Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by Robert Burrell Donkin <rd...@apache.org>.

On 11/29/11 07:30, Hugo Hirsch wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to 'creadur'.
> 
> +1

The way I see it, we don't need to rename anything. Were Rat going to an
existing TLP, there would be no problem. The product names don't need to
change. We just need consensus on the board motion.

Robert

Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>.

+0

I'm not sure about the name, but I've made no objection and powered no
alternative.

Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity.
On Nov 29, 2011 7:45 AM, "Christian Grobmeier" <gr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> +1 non binding
>
> I like that name very much
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Hugo Hirsch <as...@hugo-hirsch.de>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to
> > 'creadur'.
> >
> > +1
> > Hugo
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.grobmeier.de
> https://www.timeandbill.de
>

Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by Christian Grobmeier <gr...@gmail.com>.

+1 non binding

I like that name very much

On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Hugo Hirsch <as...@hugo-hirsch.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to
> 'creadur'.
>
> +1
> Hugo
>



-- 
http://www.grobmeier.de
https://www.timeandbill.de

Re: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by Stefan Bodewig <bo...@apache.org>.

On 2011-11-29, Hugo Hirsch wrote:

> as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to 'creadur'.

A rename seems to be necessary and to me this name is as good as any
other so normally I'd be +0.

In order to get things really going I'll vote +1 instead so we stand a
better chance of ever completing this step.

Stefan

RE: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur

Posted by Gavin McDonald <ga...@16degrees.com.au>.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hugo Hirsch [mailto:asf-rat@hugo-hirsch.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, 29 November 2011 5:31 PM
> To: rat-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: [Vote] renaming the project to creadur
> 
> Hi,
> 
> as pointed out before let's start voting to rename the project to 'creadur'.
> 
> +1
> Hugo

+1

(caveat is that we hold this vote in reserve should it be needed. It can pass and
wait in holding until a point if it is required.)

Gav...