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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> on 2017/09/26 13:21:43 UTC
YouTube -- explaining the Module Review process (and how to participate)
Hi all,
Made a quick 3 minute YouTube clip to help explain what and why we're
trying to achieve with this page:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/List+of+Modules+to+Review
Hope it clarifies things -- i.e., no knowledge of NetBeans APIs or even
Java is needed, for the basic reviewing tasks and everyone should feel
invited to participate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4PBNSRp5g8
Thanks,
Gj
Re: YouTube -- explaining the Module Review process (and how to participate)
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
To be honest, if you had a release where we know that all files granted by Oracle that have the Oracle/Sun header now wear the ASF license header + the files without headers are known to be licensed to Apache but don't have headers for $reasons, that may be a viable release. Its not uncommon for podlings to be missing license headers, since we need to figure out the provenance.
John
On 2017-09-27 08:44, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> A related question -- how imperfect does our first incubator release need
> to be? If we were to focus narrowly on the NetBeans Platform (i.e., the
> core, used by a significant number of significant organizations
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/on+top+of+NetBeans),
> then we'd be including 3 GPL binaries -- SwingX, JDesktopLayout, and jhall
> (for JavaHelp).
>
> My (and I think our) assumption has been that we absolutely must remove
> those JAR files or find some kind of solution that excludes them completely
> prior to our first incubator release.
>
> But maybe that assumption is wrong? As long as we have clearly agreed and
> documented plans to replace these with something different -- and bear in
> mind we're not talking about source code here, i.e., none of these GPL
> sources are in Apache NetBeans, we're only talking about inclusion in the
> convenience binary -- then could we have our first incubator release with
> these GPL binaries included in the convenience binary?
>
> Thanks, and just wondering.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> > We now have a disclaimer: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/
> > blob/master/DISCLAIMER
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> > geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sure, thanks.
> >>
> >> I think we're aware it doesn't have to be perfect the first time around,
> >> and it's good to have this reconfirmed.
> >>
> >> The content of the video wasn't reviewed by our mentors, but I believe
> >> everything in there is basically a summary of mails and discussions, if
> >> something in there is incomplete or incorrect, that's good to know.
> >>
> >> Gj
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:57 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Geertjan,
> >>>
> >>> Did you review the content of this video with your mentors? There's one
> >>> extremely important thing I heard in this video. "During the incubation
> >>> process." The Incubation process does not end at your first release. It
> >>> ends when the community believes they have embraced the Apache Way well
> >>> enough.
> >>>
> >>> Basically what I'm trying to say is that your first release doesn't have
> >>> to be perfect, we expect every release performed by a podling to get
> >>> progressively better. Every incubator project must include a DISCLAIMER
> >>> file indicating that the project is under going incubation, which implies:
> >>>
> >>> - The community could disappear due to lack of ability to become an
> >>> Apache project.
> >>> - The release contents may have issues within them, so please use
> >>> caution.
> >>>
> >>> It doesn't look like Netbeans has their disclaimer file yet, but here's
> >>> an example from Freemarker: https://github.com/apache/incu
> >>> bator-freemarker/blob/2.3-gae/DISCLAIMER
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >>> On 2017-09-26 09:21, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> > Hi all,
> >>> >
> >>> > Made a quick 3 minute YouTube clip to help explain what and why we're
> >>> > trying to achieve with this page:
> >>> >
> >>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/List+of
> >>> +Modules+to+Review
> >>> >
> >>> > Hope it clarifies things -- i.e., no knowledge of NetBeans APIs or even
> >>> > Java is needed, for the basic reviewing tasks and everyone should feel
> >>> > invited to participate:
> >>> >
> >>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4PBNSRp5g8
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks,
> >>> >
> >>> > Gj
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
Re: YouTube -- explaining the Module Review process (and how to participate)
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
A related question -- how imperfect does our first incubator release need
to be? If we were to focus narrowly on the NetBeans Platform (i.e., the
core, used by a significant number of significant organizations
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/on+top+of+NetBeans),
then we'd be including 3 GPL binaries -- SwingX, JDesktopLayout, and jhall
(for JavaHelp).
My (and I think our) assumption has been that we absolutely must remove
those JAR files or find some kind of solution that excludes them completely
prior to our first incubator release.
But maybe that assumption is wrong? As long as we have clearly agreed and
documented plans to replace these with something different -- and bear in
mind we're not talking about source code here, i.e., none of these GPL
sources are in Apache NetBeans, we're only talking about inclusion in the
convenience binary -- then could we have our first incubator release with
these GPL binaries included in the convenience binary?
Thanks, and just wondering.
Gj
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> We now have a disclaimer: https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/
> blob/master/DISCLAIMER
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, thanks.
>>
>> I think we're aware it doesn't have to be perfect the first time around,
>> and it's good to have this reconfirmed.
>>
>> The content of the video wasn't reviewed by our mentors, but I believe
>> everything in there is basically a summary of mails and discussions, if
>> something in there is incomplete or incorrect, that's good to know.
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:57 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Geertjan,
>>>
>>> Did you review the content of this video with your mentors? There's one
>>> extremely important thing I heard in this video. "During the incubation
>>> process." The Incubation process does not end at your first release. It
>>> ends when the community believes they have embraced the Apache Way well
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Basically what I'm trying to say is that your first release doesn't have
>>> to be perfect, we expect every release performed by a podling to get
>>> progressively better. Every incubator project must include a DISCLAIMER
>>> file indicating that the project is under going incubation, which implies:
>>>
>>> - The community could disappear due to lack of ability to become an
>>> Apache project.
>>> - The release contents may have issues within them, so please use
>>> caution.
>>>
>>> It doesn't look like Netbeans has their disclaimer file yet, but here's
>>> an example from Freemarker: https://github.com/apache/incu
>>> bator-freemarker/blob/2.3-gae/DISCLAIMER
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On 2017-09-26 09:21, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > Made a quick 3 minute YouTube clip to help explain what and why we're
>>> > trying to achieve with this page:
>>> >
>>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/List+of
>>> +Modules+to+Review
>>> >
>>> > Hope it clarifies things -- i.e., no knowledge of NetBeans APIs or even
>>> > Java is needed, for the basic reviewing tasks and everyone should feel
>>> > invited to participate:
>>> >
>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4PBNSRp5g8
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Gj
>>> >
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: YouTube -- explaining the Module Review process (and how to participate)
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
We now have a disclaimer:
https://github.com/apache/incubator-netbeans/blob/master/DISCLAIMER
Gj
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wielenga@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Sure, thanks.
>
> I think we're aware it doesn't have to be perfect the first time around,
> and it's good to have this reconfirmed.
>
> The content of the video wasn't reviewed by our mentors, but I believe
> everything in there is basically a summary of mails and discussions, if
> something in there is incomplete or incorrect, that's good to know.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:57 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Geertjan,
>>
>> Did you review the content of this video with your mentors? There's one
>> extremely important thing I heard in this video. "During the incubation
>> process." The Incubation process does not end at your first release. It
>> ends when the community believes they have embraced the Apache Way well
>> enough.
>>
>> Basically what I'm trying to say is that your first release doesn't have
>> to be perfect, we expect every release performed by a podling to get
>> progressively better. Every incubator project must include a DISCLAIMER
>> file indicating that the project is under going incubation, which implies:
>>
>> - The community could disappear due to lack of ability to become an
>> Apache project.
>> - The release contents may have issues within them, so please use caution.
>>
>> It doesn't look like Netbeans has their disclaimer file yet, but here's
>> an example from Freemarker: https://github.com/apache/incu
>> bator-freemarker/blob/2.3-gae/DISCLAIMER
>>
>> John
>>
>> On 2017-09-26 09:21, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > Made a quick 3 minute YouTube clip to help explain what and why we're
>> > trying to achieve with this page:
>> >
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/List+
>> of+Modules+to+Review
>> >
>> > Hope it clarifies things -- i.e., no knowledge of NetBeans APIs or even
>> > Java is needed, for the basic reviewing tasks and everyone should feel
>> > invited to participate:
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4PBNSRp5g8
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Gj
>> >
>>
>
>
Re: YouTube -- explaining the Module Review process (and how to participate)
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>.
Sure, thanks.
I think we're aware it doesn't have to be perfect the first time around,
and it's good to have this reconfirmed.
The content of the video wasn't reviewed by our mentors, but I believe
everything in there is basically a summary of mails and discussions, if
something in there is incomplete or incorrect, that's good to know.
Gj
On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 1:57 PM, John D. Ament <jo...@apache.org>
wrote:
> Geertjan,
>
> Did you review the content of this video with your mentors? There's one
> extremely important thing I heard in this video. "During the incubation
> process." The Incubation process does not end at your first release. It
> ends when the community believes they have embraced the Apache Way well
> enough.
>
> Basically what I'm trying to say is that your first release doesn't have
> to be perfect, we expect every release performed by a podling to get
> progressively better. Every incubator project must include a DISCLAIMER
> file indicating that the project is under going incubation, which implies:
>
> - The community could disappear due to lack of ability to become an Apache
> project.
> - The release contents may have issues within them, so please use caution.
>
> It doesn't look like Netbeans has their disclaimer file yet, but here's an
> example from Freemarker: https://github.com/apache/
> incubator-freemarker/blob/2.3-gae/DISCLAIMER
>
> John
>
> On 2017-09-26 09:21, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Made a quick 3 minute YouTube clip to help explain what and why we're
> > trying to achieve with this page:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/
> List+of+Modules+to+Review
> >
> > Hope it clarifies things -- i.e., no knowledge of NetBeans APIs or even
> > Java is needed, for the basic reviewing tasks and everyone should feel
> > invited to participate:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4PBNSRp5g8
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
> >
>
Re: YouTube -- explaining the Module Review process (and how to participate)
Posted by "John D. Ament" <jo...@apache.org>.
Geertjan,
Did you review the content of this video with your mentors? There's one extremely important thing I heard in this video. "During the incubation process." The Incubation process does not end at your first release. It ends when the community believes they have embraced the Apache Way well enough.
Basically what I'm trying to say is that your first release doesn't have to be perfect, we expect every release performed by a podling to get progressively better. Every incubator project must include a DISCLAIMER file indicating that the project is under going incubation, which implies:
- The community could disappear due to lack of ability to become an Apache project.
- The release contents may have issues within them, so please use caution.
It doesn't look like Netbeans has their disclaimer file yet, but here's an example from Freemarker: https://github.com/apache/incubator-freemarker/blob/2.3-gae/DISCLAIMER
John
On 2017-09-26 09:21, Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Made a quick 3 minute YouTube clip to help explain what and why we're
> trying to achieve with this page:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/List+of+Modules+to+Review
>
> Hope it clarifies things -- i.e., no knowledge of NetBeans APIs or even
> Java is needed, for the basic reviewing tasks and everyone should feel
> invited to participate:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4PBNSRp5g8
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>