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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Tweeted here: https://twitter.com/ApacheFlex/status/818948503682486272

Everyone please retweet :-)

Thanks,
Om

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There are lots of exciting things going on in the world of FlexJS.  Some
> folks are creating a component set that implements Material Design Lite.
> You can see the demo here: https://s.apache.org/MDLExample
>
> However, some folks think that FlexJS should have its own unique default
> look, so this is a call for proposals on what the default look for FlexJS
> should be.  Please reply here if you are interested.  I don't think we
> have to pick a winner, we might just have a choice of themes.
>
> Thanks,
> -Alex
>
>

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Angelo,

Thank you very much! Let me know if you would like to see how currently
components look like.

Piotr



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

Yep let s see what is coming out

El jue., 27 de julio de 2017 12:33, Harbs <ha...@gmail.com> escribió:

> +1!
>
> > On Jul 27, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > ok, i got the link, i will look into it to understand if we can create
> some
> > UI POC.
> >
> > thank you very much
> > Angelo
> >
> >
> > El jue., 27 jul. 2017 a las 12:02, piotrz (<pi...@gmail.com>)
> > escribió:
> >
> >> I'm not sure what do you mean by "graphics object". ?
> >>
> >> I've provided in my previous post link to code which at some point shows
> >> you
> >> what kind of component we have.
> >>
> >> Piotr
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Harbs <ha...@gmail.com>.

+1!

> On Jul 27, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ok, i got the link, i will look into it to understand if we can create some
> UI POC.
> 
> thank you very much
> Angelo
> 
> 
> El jue., 27 jul. 2017 a las 12:02, piotrz (<pi...@gmail.com>)
> escribió:
> 
>> I'm not sure what do you mean by "graphics object". ?
>> 
>> I've provided in my previous post link to code which at some point shows
>> you
>> what kind of component we have.
>> 
>> Piotr
>> 
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Olaf Krueger <po...@olafkrueger.net>.

Of course, it makes sense to build designs for those components that are
already there.
But maybe it would be also exciting what comes into your mind if you don't
think of the already implemented components but also of a complete modern
component set that fits all the needs of a modern 
application ;-)

Thanks,
Olaf




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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

ok, i got the link, i will look into it to understand if we can create some
UI POC.

thank you very much
Angelo


El jue., 27 jul. 2017 a las 12:02, piotrz (<pi...@gmail.com>)
escribió:

> I'm not sure what do you mean by "graphics object". ?
>
> I've provided in my previous post link to code which at some point shows
> you
> what kind of component we have.
>
> Piotr
>
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

I'm not sure what do you mean by "graphics object". ?

I've provided in my previous post link to code which at some point shows you
what kind of component we have. 

Piotr



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

where can we found a list of the graphics object are needed right now? just
to create a design poc and see if it would be ok for FJS?

Thanks
Angelo

El jue., 27 jul. 2017 a las 11:47, piotrz (<pi...@gmail.com>)
escribió:

> It would be best if will be unique, but it's not the case.
>
> Piotr
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

It would be best if will be unique, but it's not the case. 

Piotr



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

so, you want a UI that flexJS has to have to be unique and not only use the
material design lib no?

Thank you
Angelo

El jue., 27 jul. 2017 a las 11:08, piotrz (<pi...@gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Hi Angelo,
>
> Someone who design UI, propose to us something. Additional help would also
> awesome.
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Hi Angelo,

Someone who design UI, propose to us something. Additional help would also
awesome.

Thanks,
Piotr



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

Hi, but are you looking for people who have design abilities to design an
UI for the component... or directly the HTML implementation?

Thank you
Angelo

El jue., 27 jul. 2017 a las 10:25, piotrz (<pi...@gmail.com>)
escribió:

> Hi,
>
> This topic has died, but I would like to get back to it. We still didn't
> find any brave people who could prepare UI design for our Basic [1] set of
> components. :)
>
> If you are somewhere there do not be shy and help us! :)
>
> [1]
>
> https://github.com/apache/flex-asjs/tree/develop/frameworks/projects/Basic/src/main/flex/org/apache/flex/html
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Hi,

This topic has died, but I would like to get back to it. We still didn't
find any brave people who could prepare UI design for our Basic [1] set of
components. :) 

If you are somewhere there do not be shy and help us! :)

[1]
https://github.com/apache/flex-asjs/tree/develop/frameworks/projects/Basic/src/main/flex/org/apache/flex/html

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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>.

This one looks pretty cool to me as well: https://snag.gy/Cu8Uek.jpg

If we have some better color options, it would be a very good start.

Thanks for creating this set.  Sorry we took so long to get back to this.

Regards,
Om

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:59 AM, piotrz <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
>
> I see that there are some comments from other PMCs. In the last comments
> Peter choose second row from your proposition [1] - Flat design.
>
> Could you go with other components in that Flat design. Go with the pattern
> where we can see how button behave on RollOver, rollOut etc.
> If you wanna know how look specific components I can find an example in our
> code and post you the link.
>
> [1] http://star-frontiers.com/samples/UI-Design-btn.pdf
>
> Thanks,
> Piotr
>
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Angelo, Trevor +1 for your cooperation! Awesome! :) 

I'm happy that something is moving in that thread! 

Thank you!
Piotr



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Om,

That would be awesome, cause I will go on vacation next week and have a
feeling that will not provide asap some resources at that time if will be
required for Angelo and Trevor. If you could look from time to time to this
o related thread will be great! :)

Thanks,
Piotr



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>.

On Jul 28, 2017 6:00 AM, "piotrz" <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:

I've provided link to github where you can find list of components. We could
work one by one. Once it will be ready from your point of view with states
we will jump to the next one. Just pickup few the simplest and I will look
into code to see what states do we have or show you runnable example with
that component.

We could creat separate thread for that work.

How it sounds?

Piotr


Sounds great.  I would love to help with this effort.  Let me know how.

Thanks,
Om





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Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

I've provided link to github where you can find list of components. We could
work one by one. Once it will be ready from your point of view with states
we will jump to the next one. Just pickup few the simplest and I will look
into code to see what states do we have or show you runnable example with
that component.

We could creat separate thread for that work.

How it sounds? 

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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

So thats great..i ll wait for Trevor response and we will work on it.

Can we have a list of objects and relative states? Or can we find it in the
git code?

Than you very much
Angelo

El vie., 28 de julio de 2017 14:31, piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>
escribió:

> Angelo,
>
> Do not bother for now how to put things into FlexJS code. The purpose of
> this thread is encourage someone to creat UX design for us with all the
> states in the controls, color description etc.
>
> Someone from the current committers will pickup code work and maybe you
> will
> join to that matter once you see how we are doing it.
>
> Thanks for working in that!
> Piotr
>
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Angelo,

Do not bother for now how to put things into FlexJS code. The purpose of
this thread is encourage someone to creat UX design for us with all the
states in the controls, color description etc. 

Someone from the current committers will pickup code work and maybe you will
join to that matter once you see how we are doing it.

Thanks for working in that!
Piotr



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Deepak MS <me...@gmail.com>.

If a primary color is freezed( based on apache flex logo, may be) , it
would then be easy for designers to start designing I reckon.

Though I am not a designer, my try here ;) :

https://snag.gy/9FCDRE.jpg

Cheers!
Deepak

On 28 Jul 2017 1:43 pm, "Olaf Krueger" <po...@olafkrueger.net> wrote:

> >ttps://snag.gy/7TDtLZ.jpg
>
> Awesome, I'm very excited about what you and Trevor will achieve!
> Many thanks for working on this!!
>
> Olaf
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Olaf Krueger <po...@olafkrueger.net>.

>ttps://snag.gy/7TDtLZ.jpg

Awesome, I'm very excited about what you and Trevor will achieve!
Many thanks for working on this!!

Olaf



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

ups.... sorry.

here it is!

https://snag.gy/7TDtLZ.jpg

thanks
ANgelo
El vie., 28 jul. 2017 a las 9:51, Olaf Krueger (<po...@olafkrueger.net>)
escribió:

> Seems that your attachment was eaten by the list.
> Could you upload it somewhere and share the link?
> This is pretty simple to use [1].
>
> Thanks,
> Olaf
>
> [1] https://snag.gy/
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Olaf Krueger <po...@olafkrueger.net>.

Seems that your attachment was eaten by the list.
Could you upload it somewhere and share the link?
This is pretty simple to use [1].

Thanks,
Olaf

[1] https://snag.gy/



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

Hi, great to see something is moving on this... :)

For example, we could create some like this... see attachtment ...just to
have an idea... the graphic line is to do invent something really new...
that worth to try but the cost would be really big... i think that if you
can fuse various graphics concept we can create something new, actual,
lightweight and attractive.... i mean, we can obviously discuss on it...but
i think this way of thinking would be the winning one...

i mean, the clean osx graphic, the natural material colorus, the gradient
for a little bit of "pepper" on the ui ( that i personally miss on material
approach)... just to clearify, i can give the graphic object and
concepts...but i have NO IDEA how to put them in flexjs stuff.... :/...

Angelo


[image: Schermata 2017-07-28 alle 09.28.48.png]


El vie., 28 jul. 2017 a las 9:11, Olaf Krueger (<po...@olafkrueger.net>)
escribió:

>
> >@om i think we should go on a more actual style not the "glass style" that
> >os a bit dated.
>
> +1
>
> >So what about to start working on a little set of colors that should be
> the
> >soul of flexjs?
>
> I often use one of the material color palette apps out there, e.g. [1].
> So, defining a set of FlexJS colors that fit well together seems to me to
> be
> a pretty good idea!
>
> Olaf
>
> [1] https://www.materialpalette.com/
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Olaf Krueger <po...@olafkrueger.net>.

>@om i think we should go on a more actual style not the "glass style" that
>os a bit dated.

+1

>So what about to start working on a little set of colors that should be the
>soul of flexjs?

I often use one of the material color palette apps out there, e.g. [1].
So, defining a set of FlexJS colors that fit well together seems to me to be
a pretty good idea!

Olaf

[1] https://www.materialpalette.com/



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Angelo Lazzari <la...@gmail.com>.

Hi all!
@om i think we should go on a more actual style not the "glass style" that
os a bit dated.

@trevor do you need help?

As you know a good ui can be a real hook to attract public to the
platform....

I was thinking about https://feathersui.com speaking about as3 or
ionic...for js.. nothing expecial hard to create... but really effective at
the time to create cool apps...

So what about to start working on a little set of colors that should be the
soul of flexjs? I mean, this could be a very first step to start the flexjs
brand comunication....

Thanks
Angelo

El vie., 28 de julio de 2017 5:33, Trevor Holman <tr...@mchsi.com>
escribió:

> I'll work on transitions and rollovers, etc. for the buttons and create
> other components. I still have a working copy of Flash Catalyst so I might
> be able to provide components that route??? Or straight CSS?
>
> Trevor
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Muppirala
> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 7:51 PM
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> Subject: Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals
>
> This one looks pretty cool to me as well: https://snag.gy/Cu8Uek.jpg
>
> If we have some better color options, it would be a very good start.
>
> Thanks for creating this set.  Sorry we took so long to get back to this.
>
> Regards,
> Om
>
> On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:59 AM, piotrz <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Trevor,
> >
> > I see that there are some comments from other PMCs. In the last
> > comments Peter choose second row from your proposition [1] - Flat design.
> >
> > Could you go with other components in that Flat design. Go with the
> > pattern where we can see how button behave on RollOver, rollOut etc.
> > If you wanna know how look specific components I can find an example
> > in our code and post you the link.
> >
> > [1] http://star-frontiers.com/samples/UI-Design-btn.pdf
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Piotr
> >
> >
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RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Trevor Holman <tr...@mchsi.com>.

I'll work on transitions and rollovers, etc. for the buttons and create other components. I still have a working copy of Flash Catalyst so I might be able to provide components that route??? Or straight CSS?

Trevor

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This one looks pretty cool to me as well: https://snag.gy/Cu8Uek.jpg

If we have some better color options, it would be a very good start.

Thanks for creating this set.  Sorry we took so long to get back to this.

Regards,
Om

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 4:59 AM, piotrz <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Trevor,
>
> I see that there are some comments from other PMCs. In the last 
> comments Peter choose second row from your proposition [1] - Flat design.
>
> Could you go with other components in that Flat design. Go with the 
> pattern where we can see how button behave on RollOver, rollOut etc.
> If you wanna know how look specific components I can find an example 
> in our code and post you the link.
>
> [1] http://star-frontiers.com/samples/UI-Design-btn.pdf
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Hi Trevor,

I see that there are some comments from other PMCs. In the last comments
Peter choose second row from your proposition [1] - Flat design.

Could you go with other components in that Flat design. Go with the pattern
where we can see how button behave on RollOver, rollOut etc. 
If you wanna know how look specific components I can find an example in our
code and post you the link.

[1] http://star-frontiers.com/samples/UI-Design-btn.pdf

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RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by yishayw <yi...@hotmail.com>.

Hi Trevor,

Can you give a short explanation of the design principles that came into
play here, and how the rows differ in these terms? Do the 3 columns
represent the emphasis level (important, less important, not so important)?

Also, does it make sense to re-design the logo to match the default theme
for the sake of branding?

Finally, should we use the same theme for mobile and desktop? Which of those
did you have in mind here?

Thanks.



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RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Hi Trevor,

That buttons looks great. :) What is the next step which allows us
prototyping theme ? We should probably know details about each buttons -
colors, fonts, sizes. 

Each time when I'm working with UX, once specification is approved I was
getting from him separate specs. which contains details about UI.

Thank you,
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/66af19eb0f3465cc1b1f62d5fdabd48960fefb
ae339f1382f5e15649@%3Cdev.flex.apache.org%3E

Has a link to:

http://star-frontiers.com/sample-page.php


On 1/23/17, 2:47 PM, "piotrz" <pi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Unfortunately I haven't seen any links. :(
>
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Unfortunately I haven't seen any links. :(

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RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Kessler CTR Mark J <ma...@usmc.mil>.

Side question on the fonts.  Is it being taken into consideration for browsers that block downloading additional fonts?


-Mark

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.

Hi,

we always can, as well, put css and fonts on local, since MDL allows it. I
could look if I must setup something in our library, or is up to the dev to
setup himself...

2017-01-24 18:37 GMT+01:00 Guild, Jason A (DFG) <ja...@alaska.gov>:

> Alex:
>
> Sorry about the dupe post.
>
> I agree that whatever the default "theme" or "skin" turns out to be for
> FlexJS should either use a default font (preferrably) or go to some lengths
> to make it work really well.
>
> The following link lays out some good points about performance problems
> related to web fonts, particularly their lazy loading behavior:
> https://meowni.ca/posts/web-fonts/
>
> And this slide deck acknowledges the problems from the link above with
> proposed solutions which mitigate the downsides:
> https://speakerdeck.com/bramstein/web-fonts-performance
>
> Jason
>
>
> On 1/24/2017 8:29, Alex Harui wrote:
>
>> Are you saying that most sites now pull down a font? Are the common fonts
>> so ugly that we can't use them and provide our users with a smaller
>> bandwidth requirement?
>>
>> FlexJS has a way of supporting @fontface now, but I would prefer that our
>> default look doesn't require a font download, even from a CDN.  Or maybe
>> we have one theme that uses Arial/Verdana or something common.
>>
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>>
>>
>

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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by "Guild, Jason A (DFG)" <ja...@alaska.gov>.

Alex:

Sorry about the dupe post.

I agree that whatever the default "theme" or "skin" turns out to be for 
FlexJS should either use a default font (preferrably) or go to some 
lengths to make it work really well.

The following link lays out some good points about performance problems 
related to web fonts, particularly their lazy loading behavior:
https://meowni.ca/posts/web-fonts/

And this slide deck acknowledges the problems from the link above with 
proposed solutions which mitigate the downsides:
https://speakerdeck.com/bramstein/web-fonts-performance

Jason

On 1/24/2017 8:29, Alex Harui wrote:
> Are you saying that most sites now pull down a font? Are the common fonts
> so ugly that we can't use them and provide our users with a smaller
> bandwidth requirement?
>
> FlexJS has a way of supporting @fontface now, but I would prefer that our
> default look doesn't require a font download, even from a CDN.  Or maybe
> we have one theme that uses Arial/Verdana or something common.
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

On 1/24/17, 3:42 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:

>Hi Alex,
>
>2017-01-23 23:42 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>>
>> Not sure what you mean by "external".  How big would would our examples
>>be
>> if they had to bring down a font?  Also, we don't have a SWF equivalent
>> for embedding in Falcon without going through a bunch of steps that
>> involve the old Flex SDK and some Adobe jars.
>>
>
>I mean the look and feels that are working  out there and references (like
>MDL) are pulling CSS and Fonts from
>CDNs. Is what we do with css and fonts in MDL. So I think we should
>encourage to do the same since is what docs from this kind of frameworks
>encourage to do as well.
>
>The main problem here, FWIK, is with flash and the ability to use the same
>resources (embedded or not)
>
>But my opinion is that we should look how to solve the flash side instead
>of avoid the most usual way of proceed

Are you saying that most sites now pull down a font?  Are the common fonts
so ugly that we can't use them and provide our users with a smaller
bandwidth requirement?

FlexJS has a way of supporting @fontface now, but I would prefer that our
default look doesn't require a font download, even from a CDN.  Or maybe
we have one theme that uses Arial/Verdana or something common.

My 2 cents,
-Alex

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.

Hi Alex,

2017-01-23 23:42 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:

>
> Not sure what you mean by "external".  How big would would our examples be
> if they had to bring down a font?  Also, we don't have a SWF equivalent
> for embedding in Falcon without going through a bunch of steps that
> involve the old Flex SDK and some Adobe jars.
>

I mean the look and feels that are working  out there and references (like
MDL) are pulling CSS and Fonts from
CDNs. Is what we do with css and fonts in MDL. So I think we should
encourage to do the same since is what docs from this kind of frameworks
encourage to do as well.

The main problem here, FWIK, is with flash and the ability to use the same
resources (embedded or not)

But my opinion is that we should look how to solve the flash side instead
of avoid the most usual way of proceed


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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

On 1/23/17, 2:24 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:

>2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>
>> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
>> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
>> download a font.
>>
>
> Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as a
>best practice:

Not sure what you mean by "external".  How big would would our examples be
if they had to bring down a font?  Also, we don't have a SWF equivalent
for embedding in Falcon without going through a bunch of steps that
involve the old Flex SDK and some Adobe jars.

-Alex

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

Dropping Users@ because this really should be dev@ only...

On 1/23/17, 2:29 PM, "Trevor Holman" <tr...@cqbookstore.com> wrote:

>Guys, I sent a link with a number of buttons in it… doesn’t look like it
>passed through yet?

I saw it.  I was waiting for others to comment.  Thanks for doing it.  It
all looked great to me.

-Alex

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>.

Guys, I sent a link with a number of buttons in it… doesn’t look like it passed through yet?

Trevor



> On Jan 23, 2017, at 4:24 PM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> 2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
> 
> 
>> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
>> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
>> download a font.
>> 
> 
> Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as a
> best practice:
> 
> https://getmdl.io/styles/
> 
> 
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

On 1/23/17, 2:24 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:

>2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>
>> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
>> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
>> download a font.
>>
>
> Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as a
>best practice:

Not sure what you mean by "external".  How big would would our examples be
if they had to bring down a font?  Also, we don't have a SWF equivalent
for embedding in Falcon without going through a bunch of steps that
involve the old Flex SDK and some Adobe jars.

-Alex

RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by leokan23 <le...@best-web.gr>.

Awesome piotrz,

I will star working on this asap.



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RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by piotrz <pi...@gmail.com>.

Hi Leo,

That would be wonderful and I think that what we need right now. UX
specifications for each our controls. I will for sure touch the coding part
and maybe some other guys which have free cycles, so you don't have to worry
about it. :)

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RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by leokan23 <le...@best-web.gr>.

Hi all,

so i have been working with flex since my bsc a while back (flex3 then) and
I just love it. We use it as a company for most of our apps so I would love
to help with flexjs. One of my UI/UX people can create a photoshop or
illustrator UI Kit as a reference to be used. However, as we are a small
studio, we don't have the capacity-resources right now to also do the
coding.

If a photoshop/illustrator guideline is ok with you, I can move forward with
this.

As a reference you can find some of our designs from released apps here [1].
Most of them are also made with Flex.

[1] https://drive.google.com/drive/u/3/folders/0BxUV6kdkN-b6ZDd5bXZxbFRVS2s



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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Peter Ent <pe...@adobe.com>.

I assume Trevor is looking for a consensus on which style of button to use
which would then lead to styles for checkboxes, sliders, etc.

My preference is the flat buttons: the second row.

How would the over, down, emphasized, focused, and disabled states for
those buttons look?

Thanks for doing this.
‹peter

On 1/23/17, 9:06 PM, "Trevor Holman" <tr...@mchsi.com> wrote:

>I had posted some buttons on the same page I referenced earlier with a
>sample. It appears the link is not being accepted by the list here.
>There are a number of button on the pdf with subtle differences, figured
>it was a place to start.
>
>Trevor
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:42 PM
>To: users@flex.apache.org; dev@flex.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals
>
>
>
>On 1/23/17, 2:24 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
><carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>>
>>
>>> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
>>> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
>>> download a font.
>>>
>>
>> Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as
>>a best practice:
>
>Not sure what you mean by "external".  How big would would our examples
>be if they had to bring down a font?  Also, we don't have a SWF
>equivalent for embedding in Falcon without going through a bunch of steps
>that involve the old Flex SDK and some Adobe jars.
>
>-Alex
>
>

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Peter Ent <pe...@adobe.com>.

I assume Trevor is looking for a consensus on which style of button to use
which would then lead to styles for checkboxes, sliders, etc.

My preference is the flat buttons: the second row.

How would the over, down, emphasized, focused, and disabled states for
those buttons look?

Thanks for doing this.
‹peter

On 1/23/17, 9:06 PM, "Trevor Holman" <tr...@mchsi.com> wrote:

>I had posted some buttons on the same page I referenced earlier with a
>sample. It appears the link is not being accepted by the list here.
>There are a number of button on the pdf with subtle differences, figured
>it was a place to start.
>
>Trevor
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com]
>Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:42 PM
>To: users@flex.apache.org; dev@flex.apache.org
>Subject: Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals
>
>
>
>On 1/23/17, 2:24 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
><carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>>
>>
>>> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
>>> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
>>> download a font.
>>>
>>
>> Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as
>>a best practice:
>
>Not sure what you mean by "external".  How big would would our examples
>be if they had to bring down a font?  Also, we don't have a SWF
>equivalent for embedding in Falcon without going through a bunch of steps
>that involve the old Flex SDK and some Adobe jars.
>
>-Alex
>
>

RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Trevor Holman <tr...@mchsi.com>.

I had posted some buttons on the same page I referenced earlier with a sample. It appears the link is not being accepted by the list here.
There are a number of button on the pdf with subtle differences, figured it was a place to start.

Trevor

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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:42 PM
To: users@flex.apache.org; dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

On 1/23/17, 2:24 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:

>2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>
>> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are 
>> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to 
>> download a font.
>>
>
> Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as 
>a best practice:

Not sure what you mean by "external".  How big would would our examples be if they had to bring down a font?  Also, we don't have a SWF equivalent for embedding in Falcon without going through a bunch of steps that involve the old Flex SDK and some Adobe jars.

-Alex

RE: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Trevor Holman <tr...@mchsi.com>.

I had posted some buttons on the same page I referenced earlier with a sample. It appears the link is not being accepted by the list here.
There are a number of button on the pdf with subtle differences, figured it was a place to start.

Trevor

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From: Alex Harui [mailto:aharui@adobe.com] 
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 4:42 PM
To: users@flex.apache.org; dev@flex.apache.org
Subject: Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

On 1/23/17, 2:24 PM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlosrovira@apache.org> wrote:

>2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:
>
>
>> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are 
>> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to 
>> download a font.
>>
>
> Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as 
>a best practice:

Not sure what you mean by "external".  How big would would our examples be if they had to bring down a font?  Also, we don't have a SWF equivalent for embedding in Falcon without going through a bunch of steps that involve the old Flex SDK and some Adobe jars.

-Alex

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.

2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:


> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
> download a font.
>

 Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as a
best practice:

https://getmdl.io/styles/


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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@apache.org>.

2017-01-23 20:34 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:


> IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
> expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
> download a font.
>

 Alex, I think we could use external fonts and icons. MDL does this as a
best practice:

https://getmdl.io/styles/


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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

Hi Trevor,

Comments in-line...

On 1/23/17, 7:51 AM, "Trevor Holman" <tr...@cqbookstore.com> wrote:

>Are the final “output” of these for HTML or Flex in general?

Mainly for HTML.  We want to try to replicate the look and feel in Flash
as well, but we are more concerned about efficiency in the browser.

>
>Also, I’m looking at some font usage. How do you guys normally handle
>that? There are a number of available fonts for web of course or do these
>font files need to be embedded into the components?

IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
download a font.

Thanks,
-Alex

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

Hi Trevor,

Comments in-line...

On 1/23/17, 7:51 AM, "Trevor Holman" <tr...@cqbookstore.com> wrote:

>Are the final “output” of these for HTML or Flex in general?

Mainly for HTML.  We want to try to replicate the look and feel in Flash
as well, but we are more concerned about efficiency in the browser.

>
>Also, I’m looking at some font usage. How do you guys normally handle
>that? There are a number of available fonts for web of course or do these
>font files need to be embedded into the components?

IMO, it would be best if the design could use popular fonts that are
expected to be found on a user's computer.  We don't want to have to
download a font.

Thanks,
-Alex

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>.

Are the final “output” of these for HTML or Flex in general?

Also, I’m looking at some font usage. How do you guys normally handle that? There are a number of available fonts for web of course or do these font files need to be embedded into the components?

Trevor


> On Jan 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Trevor,
> 
> Your CSS skills would be very useful too. Take into account that MDL is
> created upon the restrictions that MDL has (as well CreateJS, JQuery...)
> 
> But HTML components (the ones under js prefix like js:Button or js:Panel)
> should be the ones we try to "skin". I'm saying that because MDL has
> components like Badges or SnackBars that are not in FlexJS basic set (at
> least now, maybe we could create them in the future).
> 
> So Maybe you could start with the basics: Button, TextInput, CheckBox,
> RadioButton...and create some composition with that.
> Then move to Panel and create some layouts to continue evolving.
> 
> About implementation, as Alex said we need to figure how to use the art and
> code it (in this part your CSS skills could help a lot). If we don't have
> anybody here to do this task, someone here (or from outside) could take the
> effort, we are now starting this effort, so it could be great to get more
> contributors on board.
> 
> I personally use Sketch App and Affinity Designer, so ASA I can end with
> MDL dialog I want to explore what can I do with Sketch, look to generated
> code, etc.. for example at this point is a mystery to me if we should pass
> the art to SVG, or cut in PNG pieces, or whatever other technique...
> 
> Thanks! :)
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-01-19 23:08 GMT+01:00 Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>:
> 
>> I can make some time for this, I do a lot of web design and development,
>> so those languages are known to me. I’m pretty good with the CSS but
>> everything I do is mostly customized so I would need help in thinking more
>> general use… for example I just used bootstrap for a site (and I hate it),
>> I end up overriding all the components.
>> 
>> As I designer I prefer the light frameworks. Anyway, I will start with the
>> graphic parts and if you guys can guide me on everything you need that
>> would help me a lot. I’ll use the link for the MDLExample as guide for the
>> component list. We could do a number of different styles if you’d like.
>> 
>> I notice a lot of transitions in components now, is that something you
>> want?
>> 
>> I’ll actually start it this weekend.
>> 
>> Trevor
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:55 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Trevor,
>>> 
>>> I will be happy with photoshop or illustrator mockups.  For folks who do
>>> not have these software, a jpg version would be very useful.
>>> 
>>> I usually have my graphic designer (who cannot code) to annotate all the
>>> elements in the mockup itself.  Color, font color, font size, spacing,
>>> animation durations, etc.
>>> 
>>> Then I would build a rough cut based on the components, he will give me
>>> feedback and we refine it to perfection.
>>> 
>>> In addition, if you are willing to write some CSS, you can do those edits
>>> yourself, but that is up to you.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Om
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
>> Rovira"
>>>> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI
>> /
>>>>> UX
>>>>> skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
>>>>> Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
>>>>> different
>>>>> places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
>>>>> something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need
>> to be
>>>>> able to implement.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
>>>>> not
>>>>> throw any opportunity to get people on board.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
>>>>> and
>>>>> from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so
>> we
>>>>> could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
>>>>> them
>>>>> prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
>>>>> and
>>>>> feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec
>> about
>>>>> how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
>>>>> could
>>>>> get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
>>>>> flexjs
>>>>> 
>>>>> what do you think?
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences
>> before
>>>> Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of
>> people
>>>> who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
>>>> another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three
>> of
>>>> these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
>>>> for someone like that.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change
>> the
>>>> visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
>>>> looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
>>>> say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
>>>> want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some
>> extra
>>>> pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
>>>> Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any
>> CSS,
>>>> just the right drawing tools.
>>>> 
>>>> Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not
>> get
>>>> paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
>>>> willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
>>>> (TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec
>> like
>>>> Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
>>>> minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot,
>> PDF,
>>>> AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
>>>> have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
>>>> other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
>>>> time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
>>>> understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
>>>> switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
>>>> Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
>>>> design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And
>> again,
>>>> if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
>>>> something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.
>>>> 
>>>> But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
>>>> pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would
>> be
>>>> the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
>>>> with Vector Graphics or CSS?
>>>> 
>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>> -Alex
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://material.io
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Carlos Rovira
> Director General
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.avant2.es
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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>.

I’ve posted a PDF below. You may need to download the actual page for viewing as the browser preview might muss it up. Number of styles here but mostly subtle differences in bevels or shadows and font. Figuring this is a good place to start. I don’t have any functioning buttons just single up-state images.


http://star-frontiers.com/sample-page.php <http://star-frontiers.com/sample-page.php>


Trevor





> On Jan 19, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Trevor,
> 
> Your CSS skills would be very useful too. Take into account that MDL is
> created upon the restrictions that MDL has (as well CreateJS, JQuery...)
> 
> But HTML components (the ones under js prefix like js:Button or js:Panel)
> should be the ones we try to "skin". I'm saying that because MDL has
> components like Badges or SnackBars that are not in FlexJS basic set (at
> least now, maybe we could create them in the future).
> 
> So Maybe you could start with the basics: Button, TextInput, CheckBox,
> RadioButton...and create some composition with that.
> Then move to Panel and create some layouts to continue evolving.
> 
> About implementation, as Alex said we need to figure how to use the art and
> code it (in this part your CSS skills could help a lot). If we don't have
> anybody here to do this task, someone here (or from outside) could take the
> effort, we are now starting this effort, so it could be great to get more
> contributors on board.
> 
> I personally use Sketch App and Affinity Designer, so ASA I can end with
> MDL dialog I want to explore what can I do with Sketch, look to generated
> code, etc.. for example at this point is a mystery to me if we should pass
> the art to SVG, or cut in PNG pieces, or whatever other technique...
> 
> Thanks! :)
> 
> 
> 
> 2017-01-19 23:08 GMT+01:00 Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>:
> 
>> I can make some time for this, I do a lot of web design and development,
>> so those languages are known to me. I’m pretty good with the CSS but
>> everything I do is mostly customized so I would need help in thinking more
>> general use… for example I just used bootstrap for a site (and I hate it),
>> I end up overriding all the components.
>> 
>> As I designer I prefer the light frameworks. Anyway, I will start with the
>> graphic parts and if you guys can guide me on everything you need that
>> would help me a lot. I’ll use the link for the MDLExample as guide for the
>> component list. We could do a number of different styles if you’d like.
>> 
>> I notice a lot of transitions in components now, is that something you
>> want?
>> 
>> I’ll actually start it this weekend.
>> 
>> Trevor
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:55 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Trevor,
>>> 
>>> I will be happy with photoshop or illustrator mockups.  For folks who do
>>> not have these software, a jpg version would be very useful.
>>> 
>>> I usually have my graphic designer (who cannot code) to annotate all the
>>> elements in the mockup itself.  Color, font color, font size, spacing,
>>> animation durations, etc.
>>> 
>>> Then I would build a rough cut based on the components, he will give me
>>> feedback and we refine it to perfection.
>>> 
>>> In addition, if you are willing to write some CSS, you can do those edits
>>> yourself, but that is up to you.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Om
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
>> Rovira"
>>>> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI
>> /
>>>>> UX
>>>>> skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
>>>>> Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
>>>>> different
>>>>> places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
>>>>> something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need
>> to be
>>>>> able to implement.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
>>>>> not
>>>>> throw any opportunity to get people on board.
>>>>> 
>>>>> My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
>>>>> and
>>>>> from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so
>> we
>>>>> could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
>>>>> them
>>>>> prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
>>>>> and
>>>>> feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec
>> about
>>>>> how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
>>>>> could
>>>>> get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
>>>>> flexjs
>>>>> 
>>>>> what do you think?
>>>> 
>>>> Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences
>> before
>>>> Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of
>> people
>>>> who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
>>>> another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three
>> of
>>>> these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
>>>> for someone like that.
>>>> 
>>>> Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change
>> the
>>>> visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
>>>> looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
>>>> say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
>>>> want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some
>> extra
>>>> pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
>>>> Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any
>> CSS,
>>>> just the right drawing tools.
>>>> 
>>>> Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not
>> get
>>>> paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
>>>> willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
>>>> (TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec
>> like
>>>> Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
>>>> minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot,
>> PDF,
>>>> AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
>>>> have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
>>>> other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
>>>> time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
>>>> understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
>>>> switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
>>>> Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
>>>> design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And
>> again,
>>>> if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
>>>> something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.
>>>> 
>>>> But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
>>>> pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would
>> be
>>>> the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
>>>> with Vector Graphics or CSS?
>>>> 
>>>> My 2 cents,
>>>> -Alex
>>>> 
>>>> [1] https://material.io
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Carlos Rovira
> Director General
> M: +34 607 22 60 05
> http://www.codeoscopic.com
> http://www.avant2.es
> 
> Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
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> S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
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> rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a nuestras
> oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
> necesaria.

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.

Hi Trevor,

Your CSS skills would be very useful too. Take into account that MDL is
created upon the restrictions that MDL has (as well CreateJS, JQuery...)

But HTML components (the ones under js prefix like js:Button or js:Panel)
should be the ones we try to "skin". I'm saying that because MDL has
components like Badges or SnackBars that are not in FlexJS basic set (at
least now, maybe we could create them in the future).

So Maybe you could start with the basics: Button, TextInput, CheckBox,
RadioButton...and create some composition with that.
Then move to Panel and create some layouts to continue evolving.

About implementation, as Alex said we need to figure how to use the art and
code it (in this part your CSS skills could help a lot). If we don't have
anybody here to do this task, someone here (or from outside) could take the
effort, we are now starting this effort, so it could be great to get more
contributors on board.

I personally use Sketch App and Affinity Designer, so ASA I can end with
MDL dialog I want to explore what can I do with Sketch, look to generated
code, etc.. for example at this point is a mystery to me if we should pass
the art to SVG, or cut in PNG pieces, or whatever other technique...

Thanks! :)



2017-01-19 23:08 GMT+01:00 Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>:

> I can make some time for this, I do a lot of web design and development,
> so those languages are known to me. I’m pretty good with the CSS but
> everything I do is mostly customized so I would need help in thinking more
> general use… for example I just used bootstrap for a site (and I hate it),
> I end up overriding all the components.
>
> As I designer I prefer the light frameworks. Anyway, I will start with the
> graphic parts and if you guys can guide me on everything you need that
> would help me a lot. I’ll use the link for the MDLExample as guide for the
> component list. We could do a number of different styles if you’d like.
>
> I notice a lot of transitions in components now, is that something you
> want?
>
> I’ll actually start it this weekend.
>
> Trevor
>
>
> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:55 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Trevor,
> >
> > I will be happy with photoshop or illustrator mockups.  For folks who do
> > not have these software, a jpg version would be very useful.
> >
> > I usually have my graphic designer (who cannot code) to annotate all the
> > elements in the mockup itself.  Color, font color, font size, spacing,
> > animation durations, etc.
> >
> > Then I would build a rough cut based on the components, he will give me
> > feedback and we refine it to perfection.
> >
> > In addition, if you are willing to write some CSS, you can do those edits
> > yourself, but that is up to you.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> Rovira"
> >> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI
> /
> >>> UX
> >>> skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
> >>> Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
> >>> different
> >>> places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
> >>> something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need
> to be
> >>> able to implement.
> >>>
> >>> So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
> >>> not
> >>> throw any opportunity to get people on board.
> >>>
> >>> My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
> >>> and
> >>> from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so
> we
> >>> could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
> >>> them
> >>> prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
> >>> and
> >>> feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec
> about
> >>> how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
> >>> could
> >>> get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
> >>> flexjs
> >>>
> >>> what do you think?
> >>
> >> Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences
> before
> >> Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of
> people
> >> who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
> >> another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three
> of
> >> these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
> >> for someone like that.
> >>
> >> Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change
> the
> >> visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
> >> looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
> >> say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
> >> want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some
> extra
> >> pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
> >> Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any
> CSS,
> >> just the right drawing tools.
> >>
> >> Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not
> get
> >> paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
> >> willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
> >> (TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec
> like
> >> Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
> >> minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot,
> PDF,
> >> AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
> >> have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
> >> other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
> >> time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
> >> understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
> >> switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
> >> Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.
> >>
> >>
> >> Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
> >> design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And
> again,
> >> if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
> >> something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.
> >>
> >> But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
> >> pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would
> be
> >> the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
> >> with Vector Graphics or CSS?
> >>
> >> My 2 cents,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> [1] https://material.io
> >>
> >>
>
>


-- 

Carlos Rovira
Director General
M: +34 607 22 60 05
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.avant2.es

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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.

Hi Trevor,

Your CSS skills would be very useful too. Take into account that MDL is
created upon the restrictions that MDL has (as well CreateJS, JQuery...)

But HTML components (the ones under js prefix like js:Button or js:Panel)
should be the ones we try to "skin". I'm saying that because MDL has
components like Badges or SnackBars that are not in FlexJS basic set (at
least now, maybe we could create them in the future).

So Maybe you could start with the basics: Button, TextInput, CheckBox,
RadioButton...and create some composition with that.
Then move to Panel and create some layouts to continue evolving.

About implementation, as Alex said we need to figure how to use the art and
code it (in this part your CSS skills could help a lot). If we don't have
anybody here to do this task, someone here (or from outside) could take the
effort, we are now starting this effort, so it could be great to get more
contributors on board.

I personally use Sketch App and Affinity Designer, so ASA I can end with
MDL dialog I want to explore what can I do with Sketch, look to generated
code, etc.. for example at this point is a mystery to me if we should pass
the art to SVG, or cut in PNG pieces, or whatever other technique...

Thanks! :)



2017-01-19 23:08 GMT+01:00 Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>:

> I can make some time for this, I do a lot of web design and development,
> so those languages are known to me. I’m pretty good with the CSS but
> everything I do is mostly customized so I would need help in thinking more
> general use… for example I just used bootstrap for a site (and I hate it),
> I end up overriding all the components.
>
> As I designer I prefer the light frameworks. Anyway, I will start with the
> graphic parts and if you guys can guide me on everything you need that
> would help me a lot. I’ll use the link for the MDLExample as guide for the
> component list. We could do a number of different styles if you’d like.
>
> I notice a lot of transitions in components now, is that something you
> want?
>
> I’ll actually start it this weekend.
>
> Trevor
>
>
> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:55 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Trevor,
> >
> > I will be happy with photoshop or illustrator mockups.  For folks who do
> > not have these software, a jpg version would be very useful.
> >
> > I usually have my graphic designer (who cannot code) to annotate all the
> > elements in the mockup itself.  Color, font color, font size, spacing,
> > animation durations, etc.
> >
> > Then I would build a rough cut based on the components, he will give me
> > feedback and we refine it to perfection.
> >
> > In addition, if you are willing to write some CSS, you can do those edits
> > yourself, but that is up to you.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Om
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos
> Rovira"
> >> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI
> /
> >>> UX
> >>> skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
> >>> Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
> >>> different
> >>> places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
> >>> something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need
> to be
> >>> able to implement.
> >>>
> >>> So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
> >>> not
> >>> throw any opportunity to get people on board.
> >>>
> >>> My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
> >>> and
> >>> from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so
> we
> >>> could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
> >>> them
> >>> prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
> >>> and
> >>> feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec
> about
> >>> how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
> >>> could
> >>> get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
> >>> flexjs
> >>>
> >>> what do you think?
> >>
> >> Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences
> before
> >> Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of
> people
> >> who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
> >> another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three
> of
> >> these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
> >> for someone like that.
> >>
> >> Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change
> the
> >> visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
> >> looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
> >> say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
> >> want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some
> extra
> >> pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
> >> Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any
> CSS,
> >> just the right drawing tools.
> >>
> >> Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not
> get
> >> paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
> >> willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
> >> (TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec
> like
> >> Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
> >> minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot,
> PDF,
> >> AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
> >> have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
> >> other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
> >> time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
> >> understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
> >> switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
> >> Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.
> >>
> >>
> >> Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
> >> design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And
> again,
> >> if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
> >> something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.
> >>
> >> But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
> >> pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would
> be
> >> the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
> >> with Vector Graphics or CSS?
> >>
> >> My 2 cents,
> >> -Alex
> >>
> >> [1] https://material.io
> >>
> >>
>
>


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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>.

I can make some time for this, I do a lot of web design and development, so those languages are known to me. I’m pretty good with the CSS but everything I do is mostly customized so I would need help in thinking more general use… for example I just used bootstrap for a site (and I hate it), I end up overriding all the components.

As I designer I prefer the light frameworks. Anyway, I will start with the graphic parts and if you guys can guide me on everything you need that would help me a lot. I’ll use the link for the MDLExample as guide for the component list. We could do a number of different styles if you’d like. 

I notice a lot of transitions in components now, is that something you want? 

I’ll actually start it this weekend.

Trevor


> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:55 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Trevor,
> 
> I will be happy with photoshop or illustrator mockups.  For folks who do
> not have these software, a jpg version would be very useful.
> 
> I usually have my graphic designer (who cannot code) to annotate all the
> elements in the mockup itself.  Color, font color, font size, spacing,
> animation durations, etc.
> 
> Then I would build a rough cut based on the components, he will give me
> feedback and we refine it to perfection.
> 
> In addition, if you are willing to write some CSS, you can do those edits
> yourself, but that is up to you.
> 
> Thanks,
> Om
> 
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
>> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI /
>>> UX
>>> skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
>>> Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
>>> different
>>> places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
>>> something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need to be
>>> able to implement.
>>> 
>>> So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
>>> not
>>> throw any opportunity to get people on board.
>>> 
>>> My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
>>> and
>>> from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so we
>>> could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
>>> them
>>> prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
>>> and
>>> feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec about
>>> how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
>>> could
>>> get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
>>> flexjs
>>> 
>>> what do you think?
>> 
>> Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences before
>> Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of people
>> who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
>> another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three of
>> these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
>> for someone like that.
>> 
>> Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change the
>> visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
>> looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
>> say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
>> want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some extra
>> pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
>> Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any CSS,
>> just the right drawing tools.
>> 
>> Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not get
>> paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
>> willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
>> (TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec like
>> Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
>> minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot, PDF,
>> AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
>> have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
>> other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
>> time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
>> understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
>> switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
>> Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.
>> 
>> 
>> Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
>> design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And again,
>> if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
>> something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.
>> 
>> But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
>> pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would be
>> the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
>> with Vector Graphics or CSS?
>> 
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>> 
>> [1] https://material.io
>> 
>>

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Trevor Holman <tr...@cqbookstore.com>.

I can make some time for this, I do a lot of web design and development, so those languages are known to me. I’m pretty good with the CSS but everything I do is mostly customized so I would need help in thinking more general use… for example I just used bootstrap for a site (and I hate it), I end up overriding all the components.

As I designer I prefer the light frameworks. Anyway, I will start with the graphic parts and if you guys can guide me on everything you need that would help me a lot. I’ll use the link for the MDLExample as guide for the component list. We could do a number of different styles if you’d like. 

I notice a lot of transitions in components now, is that something you want? 

I’ll actually start it this weekend.

Trevor


> On Jan 19, 2017, at 3:55 PM, OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Trevor,
> 
> I will be happy with photoshop or illustrator mockups.  For folks who do
> not have these software, a jpg version would be very useful.
> 
> I usually have my graphic designer (who cannot code) to annotate all the
> elements in the mockup itself.  Color, font color, font size, spacing,
> animation durations, etc.
> 
> Then I would build a rough cut based on the components, he will give me
> feedback and we refine it to perfection.
> 
> In addition, if you are willing to write some CSS, you can do those edits
> yourself, but that is up to you.
> 
> Thanks,
> Om
> 
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
>> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI /
>>> UX
>>> skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
>>> Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
>>> different
>>> places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
>>> something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need to be
>>> able to implement.
>>> 
>>> So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
>>> not
>>> throw any opportunity to get people on board.
>>> 
>>> My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
>>> and
>>> from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so we
>>> could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
>>> them
>>> prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
>>> and
>>> feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec about
>>> how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
>>> could
>>> get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
>>> flexjs
>>> 
>>> what do you think?
>> 
>> Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences before
>> Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of people
>> who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
>> another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three of
>> these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
>> for someone like that.
>> 
>> Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change the
>> visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
>> looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
>> say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
>> want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some extra
>> pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
>> Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any CSS,
>> just the right drawing tools.
>> 
>> Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not get
>> paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
>> willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
>> (TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec like
>> Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
>> minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot, PDF,
>> AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
>> have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
>> other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
>> time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
>> understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
>> switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
>> Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.
>> 
>> 
>> Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
>> design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And again,
>> if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
>> something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.
>> 
>> But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
>> pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would be
>> the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
>> with Vector Graphics or CSS?
>> 
>> My 2 cents,
>> -Alex
>> 
>> [1] https://material.io
>> 
>>

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>.

Trevor,

I will be happy with photoshop or illustrator mockups.  For folks who do
not have these software, a jpg version would be very useful.

I usually have my graphic designer (who cannot code) to annotate all the
elements in the mockup itself.  Color, font color, font size, spacing,
animation durations, etc.

Then I would build a rough cut based on the components, he will give me
feedback and we refine it to perfection.

In addition, if you are willing to write some CSS, you can do those edits
yourself, but that is up to you.

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI /
> >UX
> >skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
> >Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
> >different
> >places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
> >something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need to be
> >able to implement.
> >
> >So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
> >not
> >throw any opportunity to get people on board.
> >
> >My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
> >and
> >from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so we
> >could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
> >them
> >prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
> >and
> >feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec about
> >how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
> >could
> >get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
> >flexjs
> >
> >what do you think?
>
> Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences before
> Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of people
> who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
> another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three of
> these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
> for someone like that.
>
> Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change the
> visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
> looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
> say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
> want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some extra
> pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
> Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any CSS,
> just the right drawing tools.
>
> Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not get
> paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
> willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
> (TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec like
> Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
> minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot, PDF,
> AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
> have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
> other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
> time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
> understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
> switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
> Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.
>
>
> Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
> design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And again,
> if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
> something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.
>
> But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
> pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would be
> the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
> with Vector Graphics or CSS?
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> [1] https://material.io
>
>

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>.

Trevor,

I will be happy with photoshop or illustrator mockups.  For folks who do
not have these software, a jpg version would be very useful.

I usually have my graphic designer (who cannot code) to annotate all the
elements in the mockup itself.  Color, font color, font size, spacing,
animation durations, etc.

Then I would build a rough cut based on the components, he will give me
feedback and we refine it to perfection.

In addition, if you are willing to write some CSS, you can do those edits
yourself, but that is up to you.

Thanks,
Om

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI /
> >UX
> >skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
> >Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
> >different
> >places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
> >something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need to be
> >able to implement.
> >
> >So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
> >not
> >throw any opportunity to get people on board.
> >
> >My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
> >and
> >from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so we
> >could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
> >them
> >prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
> >and
> >feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec about
> >how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
> >could
> >get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
> >flexjs
> >
> >what do you think?
>
> Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences before
> Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of people
> who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
> another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three of
> these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
> for someone like that.
>
> Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change the
> visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
> looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
> say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
> want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some extra
> pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
> Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any CSS,
> just the right drawing tools.
>
> Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not get
> paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
> willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
> (TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec like
> Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
> minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot, PDF,
> AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
> have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
> other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
> time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
> understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
> switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
> Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.
>
>
> Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
> design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And again,
> if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
> something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.
>
> But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
> pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would be
> the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
> with Vector Graphics or CSS?
>
> My 2 cents,
> -Alex
>
> [1] https://material.io
>
>

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI /
>UX
>skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
>Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
>different
>places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
>something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need to be
>able to implement.
>
>So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
>not
>throw any opportunity to get people on board.
>
>My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
>and
>from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so we
>could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
>them
>prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
>and
>feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec about
>how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
>could
>get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
>flexjs
>
>what do you think?

Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences before
Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of people
who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three of
these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
for someone like that.

Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change the
visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some extra
pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any CSS,
just the right drawing tools.

Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not get
paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
(TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec like
Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot, PDF,
AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.

Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And again,
if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.

But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would be
the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
with Vector Graphics or CSS?

My 2 cents,
-Alex

[1] https://material.io

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

On 1/19/17, 10:43 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI /
>UX
>skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
>Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very
>different
>places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
>something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need to be
>able to implement.
>
>So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd
>not
>throw any opportunity to get people on board.
>
>My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel
>and
>from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so we
>could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let
>them
>prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look
>and
>feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec about
>how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we
>could
>get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into
>flexjs
>
>what do you think?

Well, I can code, but I cannot draw, so in all my past experiences before
Flex where I worked on end-user applications, there were a team of people
who did usability, a different team that did graphic design, and yet
another team that wrote the code.  Sometimes you can find two or three of
these skills in the same person, but I would not hold my breath waiting
for someone like that.

Also, it looks to me that there might be more than one way to "change the
visuals".  It seems like MDL said "we will give you a choice of several
looks, but there's lots of things you can't change".  Bootstrap seems to
say "Here's some widgets, go muck with CSS to change the look if you
want".  Flex says "Draw it and we'll display it".  IOW, MDL has some extra
pre-defined CSS files so you don't have to know anything about CSS,
Bootstrap requires knowing a lot about CSS, Flex doesn't require any CSS,
just the right drawing tools.

Given that Apache project are volunteer-driven and contributors do not get
paid for contributing so probably helping out in their spare time, I am
willing to take whatever someone can offer.  We just had someone new
(TrevorH) offer to help.  The ultimate goal might be a full out spec like
Material Design [1], but that looks like a ton of work.  So, what is the
minimum useful design contribution?  I would say it is a screenshot, PDF,
AI, PNG, or other file depicting a set of widgets.  Bonus points if they
have time to try to write the code to support it, but otherwise, some
other volunteer will pitch in to do that.  IF a second designer can find
time to provide a different look, then the coding volunteers can better
understand what the best way to provide a set of components that allows
switching.  It might be CSS-driven, or vector-graphics driven, or both.
Who knows?  I don't personally care, I'd just like to see some ideas.

Beyond that, as we approach 1.0, we will need other things like graphic
design and UX improvements on our examples, TourDeFlexJS, etc.  And again,
if we can find a way to allow small contributions to build up into
something big, that will likely be the best approach to take.

But since we might actually have a designer in the conversation, let me
pose this question:  TrevorH, how much time do you have, and what would be
the most efficient way for us to use your skills?  Do you prefer to work
with Vector Graphics or CSS?

My 2 cents,
-Alex

[1] https://material.io

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.

Hi,

we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI / UX
skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very different
places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need to be
able to implement.

So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd not
throw any opportunity to get people on board.

My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel and
from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so we
could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let them
prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look and
feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec about
how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we could
get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into flexjs

what do you think?

2017-01-19 19:18 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:

> BTW, do we need professional/experienced proposals or should we hit up Art
> students in College/High Schools?
>
> -Alex
>
> On 1/11/17, 11:01 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Great, we need to expose this to as many sites, forums and social
> >networks,
> >focused on Design/UX/UI, we can.
> >
> >Hope people could share here the urls they think could be valuable in
> >order
> >to post this announcement.
> >
> >For example I posted this in a well-known UX/UI LinkedIn Group:
> >
> >https://www.linkedin.com/groups/72842/72842-6224999069215911937
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2017-01-10 23:35 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Tweeted here: https://twitter.com/ApacheFlex/status/818948503682486272
> >>
> >> Everyone please retweet :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Om
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > There are lots of exciting things going on in the world of FlexJS.
> >>Some
> >> > folks are creating a component set that implements Material Design
> >>Lite.
> >> > You can see the demo here: https://s.apache.org/MDLExample
> >> >
> >> > However, some folks think that FlexJS should have its own unique
> >>default
> >> > look, so this is a call for proposals on what the default look for
> >>FlexJS
> >> > should be.  Please reply here if you are interested.  I don't think we
> >> > have to pick a winner, we might just have a choice of themes.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > -Alex
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Carlos Rovira
> >Director General
> >M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >http://www.avant2.es
> >
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> >
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> >comunicamos
> >que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
> >S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
> >servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
> >rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a
> >nuestras
> >oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
> >necesaria.
>
>

-- 

Carlos Rovira
Director General
M: +34 607 22 60 05
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.avant2.es

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Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.

Hi,

we should get people motivated with skills in design and planing of UI / UX
skins, visuals, effects and transitions.
Art is different from engineering and we could get people in very different
places since we never know who could have the skills to hand crafting
something we'd like and have at the same time the rigurosity we need to be
able to implement.

So, both professional/exp and students could have the potential and I'd not
throw any opportunity to get people on board.

My bet is that we should get the way to get more than one look and feel and
from the development side be able to prepare FlexJS to have themes so we
could then prepare diferent workspaces for different designers and let them
prepare the their art. As I said before, should be normal that one look and
feel will be prepared for only one person. If we prepare some spec about
how should they prepare their art to be consumed by our framework, we could
get in this way different themes packaged and ready to be loaded into flexjs

what do you think?

2017-01-19 19:18 GMT+01:00 Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>:

> BTW, do we need professional/experienced proposals or should we hit up Art
> students in College/High Schools?
>
> -Alex
>
> On 1/11/17, 11:01 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
> <carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Great, we need to expose this to as many sites, forums and social
> >networks,
> >focused on Design/UX/UI, we can.
> >
> >Hope people could share here the urls they think could be valuable in
> >order
> >to post this announcement.
> >
> >For example I posted this in a well-known UX/UI LinkedIn Group:
> >
> >https://www.linkedin.com/groups/72842/72842-6224999069215911937
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >2017-01-10 23:35 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Tweeted here: https://twitter.com/ApacheFlex/status/818948503682486272
> >>
> >> Everyone please retweet :-)
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Om
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > There are lots of exciting things going on in the world of FlexJS.
> >>Some
> >> > folks are creating a component set that implements Material Design
> >>Lite.
> >> > You can see the demo here: https://s.apache.org/MDLExample
> >> >
> >> > However, some folks think that FlexJS should have its own unique
> >>default
> >> > look, so this is a call for proposals on what the default look for
> >>FlexJS
> >> > should be.  Please reply here if you are interested.  I don't think we
> >> > have to pick a winner, we might just have a choice of themes.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > -Alex
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Carlos Rovira
> >Director General
> >M: +34 607 22 60 05
> >http://www.codeoscopic.com
> >http://www.avant2.es
> >
> >Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
> >información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por
> >error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y
> >proceda a su destrucción.
> >
> >De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le
> >comunicamos
> >que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
> >S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
> >servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
> >rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a
> >nuestras
> >oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
> >necesaria.
>
>

-- 

Carlos Rovira
Director General
M: +34 607 22 60 05
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.avant2.es

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S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
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oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
necesaria.

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

BTW, do we need professional/experienced proposals or should we hit up Art
students in College/High Schools?

-Alex

On 1/11/17, 11:01 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:

>Great, we need to expose this to as many sites, forums and social
>networks,
>focused on Design/UX/UI, we can.
>
>Hope people could share here the urls they think could be valuable in
>order
>to post this announcement.
>
>For example I posted this in a well-known UX/UI LinkedIn Group:
>
>https://www.linkedin.com/groups/72842/72842-6224999069215911937
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>2017-01-10 23:35 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Tweeted here: https://twitter.com/ApacheFlex/status/818948503682486272
>>
>> Everyone please retweet :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > There are lots of exciting things going on in the world of FlexJS.
>>Some
>> > folks are creating a component set that implements Material Design
>>Lite.
>> > You can see the demo here: https://s.apache.org/MDLExample
>> >
>> > However, some folks think that FlexJS should have its own unique
>>default
>> > look, so this is a call for proposals on what the default look for
>>FlexJS
>> > should be.  Please reply here if you are interested.  I don't think we
>> > have to pick a winner, we might just have a choice of themes.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > -Alex
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>Carlos Rovira
>Director General
>M: +34 607 22 60 05
>http://www.codeoscopic.com
>http://www.avant2.es
>
>Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
>información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por
>error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y
>proceda a su destrucción.
>
>De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le
>comunicamos
>que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
>S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
>servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
>rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a
>nuestras
>oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
>necesaria.

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.

BTW, do we need professional/experienced proposals or should we hit up Art
students in College/High Schools?

-Alex

On 1/11/17, 11:01 AM, "carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of Carlos Rovira"
<carlos.rovira@gmail.com on behalf of carlos.rovira@codeoscopic.com> wrote:

>Great, we need to expose this to as many sites, forums and social
>networks,
>focused on Design/UX/UI, we can.
>
>Hope people could share here the urls they think could be valuable in
>order
>to post this announcement.
>
>For example I posted this in a well-known UX/UI LinkedIn Group:
>
>https://www.linkedin.com/groups/72842/72842-6224999069215911937
>
>Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>2017-01-10 23:35 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Tweeted here: https://twitter.com/ApacheFlex/status/818948503682486272
>>
>> Everyone please retweet :-)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Om
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > There are lots of exciting things going on in the world of FlexJS.
>>Some
>> > folks are creating a component set that implements Material Design
>>Lite.
>> > You can see the demo here: https://s.apache.org/MDLExample
>> >
>> > However, some folks think that FlexJS should have its own unique
>>default
>> > look, so this is a call for proposals on what the default look for
>>FlexJS
>> > should be.  Please reply here if you are interested.  I don't think we
>> > have to pick a winner, we might just have a choice of themes.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > -Alex
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>-- 
>
>Carlos Rovira
>Director General
>M: +34 607 22 60 05
>http://www.codeoscopic.com
>http://www.avant2.es
>
>Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
>información privilegiada o confidencial. Si ha recibido este mensaje por
>error, le rogamos que nos lo comunique inmediatamente por esta misma vía y
>proceda a su destrucción.
>
>De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le
>comunicamos
>que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
>S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
>servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
>rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a
>nuestras
>oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
>necesaria.

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.

Great, we need to expose this to as many sites, forums and social networks,
focused on Design/UX/UI, we can.

Hope people could share here the urls they think could be valuable in order
to post this announcement.

For example I posted this in a well-known UX/UI LinkedIn Group:

https://www.linkedin.com/groups/72842/72842-6224999069215911937

Thanks!

2017-01-10 23:35 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>:

> Tweeted here: https://twitter.com/ApacheFlex/status/818948503682486272
>
> Everyone please retweet :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > There are lots of exciting things going on in the world of FlexJS.  Some
> > folks are creating a component set that implements Material Design Lite.
> > You can see the demo here: https://s.apache.org/MDLExample
> >
> > However, some folks think that FlexJS should have its own unique default
> > look, so this is a call for proposals on what the default look for FlexJS
> > should be.  Please reply here if you are interested.  I don't think we
> > have to pick a winner, we might just have a choice of themes.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> >
>

-- 

Carlos Rovira
Director General
M: +34 607 22 60 05
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.avant2.es

Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
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De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le comunicamos
que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a nuestras
oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
necesaria.

Re: [FlexJS] Wanted: UX/UI Design Proposals

Posted by Carlos Rovira <ca...@codeoscopic.com>.

Great, we need to expose this to as many sites, forums and social networks,
focused on Design/UX/UI, we can.

Hope people could share here the urls they think could be valuable in order
to post this announcement.

For example I posted this in a well-known UX/UI LinkedIn Group:

https://www.linkedin.com/groups/72842/72842-6224999069215911937

Thanks!

2017-01-10 23:35 GMT+01:00 OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>:

> Tweeted here: https://twitter.com/ApacheFlex/status/818948503682486272
>
> Everyone please retweet :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Om
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:24 AM, Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > There are lots of exciting things going on in the world of FlexJS.  Some
> > folks are creating a component set that implements Material Design Lite.
> > You can see the demo here: https://s.apache.org/MDLExample
> >
> > However, some folks think that FlexJS should have its own unique default
> > look, so this is a call for proposals on what the default look for FlexJS
> > should be.  Please reply here if you are interested.  I don't think we
> > have to pick a winner, we might just have a choice of themes.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Alex
> >
> >
>

-- 

Carlos Rovira
Director General
M: +34 607 22 60 05
http://www.codeoscopic.com
http://www.avant2.es

Este mensaje se dirige exclusivamente a su destinatario y puede contener
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De la vigente Ley Orgánica de Protección de Datos (15/1999), le comunicamos
que sus datos forman parte de un fichero cuyo responsable es CODEOSCOPIC
S.A. La finalidad de dicho tratamiento es facilitar la prestación del
servicio o información solicitados, teniendo usted derecho de acceso,
rectificación, cancelación y oposición de sus datos dirigiéndose a nuestras
oficinas c/ Paseo de la Habana 9-11, 28036, Madrid con la documentación
necesaria.