Status

[ant elder <an...@gmail.com>]

Hi Droids, I'm from the Incubator PMC and doing a review of the older
Incubator poddlings and why they're not graduating. I also happen to be
from the HttpComponents PMC which was the original sponsor of Droids.
Looking about here the only thing holding Droids back is that there not
many active participants. Would that be correct?

Droids has been here such a long time now and the Incubator is not adding
much value. There have been discussions on general@ about what to do with
small poddlings, eg: http://markmail.org/message/vd53bm3fouw7ueow, which
suggests including the mentors on the PMC when graduating to help make up
the numbers. Any comments on that approach?

Who are your mentors these days, and would having any new mentors help? If
so i'd be happy to sign up to see what can be done.

   ...ant

Re: Status

[Richard Frovarp <rf...@apache.org>]

On 05/31/2013 09:36 AM, ant elder wrote:

> Becoming a TLP does sound preferable. A three person PMC is the absolute
> minimum but i don't recall ever seeing a podling graduate with that few.
> The problem is that as soon as one person goes away then the project is
> unable to get the three binding votes necessary to do releases so the
> project stalls. Even four seems a little small so if five or more people
> could be found its likely to make things easier. Smaller podlings often add
> their mentors to help make up the numbers, a problem here is that you two
> are the mentors so that doesn't help. To be honest i think your best bet
> could be to try recruit a couple more new mentors and then include them
> along with all the current listed committers in the graduation proposal.
>
> About the Droids name, the Incubator podling naming guide is here (if you
> didn't already know): http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html. If
> you'd like i can start going through that for you to see if it helps about
> the name?
>
>     ...ant
>

The committer list is 9 people long, but it's been a while since I've 
seen some of them around. We might be able to swing a 5 person PMC, 
which is more desirable than a 3 person PMC.

I knew about the naming guidelines, I just haven't had the chance to go 
through it. If you have time to help out, that would be great. I just 
don't have enough work or personal time at this point dedicate time to 
that particular process.

Current list of people with committer access:
gsingers,javier,mingfai,olegk,ryan,thorsten,rfrovarp,bchapuis,tobr

Re: Status

[Richard Frovarp <rf...@apache.org>]

On 06/01/2013 01:59 AM, vibhu bhutani wrote:
>   Hi Droids,
>
> Seems there is some problem with the number of active users. I have
> recently joined the team, i don't know how much useful could i be. But am
> willing to help.
>
> Regards,
> Vibhu
>
>

Welcome Vibhu,

We're open to help of all sorts. Feel free to help out where ever you 
think there needs to be help.

How are you using Droids? How do you think you can help? Documentation 
updates, code examples, blog posts, howto's, and code patches are all 
welcome.

Richard

Re: Status

[vibhu bhutani <vi...@gmail.com>]

 Hi Droids,

Seems there is some problem with the number of active users. I have
recently joined the team, i don't know how much useful could i be. But am
willing to help.

Regards,
Vibhu


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:06 PM, ant elder <an...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Richard Frovarp <rfrovarp@apache.org
> >wrote:
>
> > On 05/30/2013 02:28 AM, ant elder wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Droids, I'm from the Incubator PMC and doing a review of the older
> >> Incubator poddlings and why they're not graduating. I also happen to be
> >> from the HttpComponents PMC which was the original sponsor of Droids.
> >> Looking about here the only thing holding Droids back is that there not
> >> many active participants. Would that be correct?
> >>
> >> Droids has been here such a long time now and the Incubator is not
> adding
> >> much value. There have been discussions on general@ about what to do
> with
> >> small poddlings, eg: http://markmail.org/message/**vd53bm3fouw7ueow<
> http://markmail.org/message/vd53bm3fouw7ueow>,
> >> which
> >> suggests including the mentors on the PMC when graduating to help make
> up
> >> the numbers. Any comments on that approach?
> >>
> >> Who are your mentors these days, and would having any new mentors help?
> If
> >> so i'd be happy to sign up to see what can be done.
> >>
> >>     ...ant
> >>
> >>
> > Ant,
> >
> > Thanks for the note and offer to help. You are correct, graduation is for
> > the most part hung up on active participants. Thorsten Scherler and I are
> > both mentors, on the IPMC, and largely involved in the project. So in our
> > case, the mentors would want to be on the PMC. We could come up with a 3
> > member PMC that would be active and could keep the project going. I've
> seen
> > messages from either the IPMC or Board indicating that a project needs to
> > have three active PMC members so that there can be legal releases. So in
> > theory we could graduate with a 3 person PMC, and be successful.
> >
> > One of the problems we've had is making releases. I've released managed
> > the two releases. Between Thorsten and I, we have two binding votes, but
> it
> > can be hard to get the 3rd IPMC vote, as you've no doubt seen from other
> > projects as well on the IPMC list. It would be easier for us to do new
> > releases as a TLP. I understand that the point of releasing through the
> > IPMC is to make sure everything is correct. With two releases we've shown
> > that we understand that piece.
> >
> > We have approached Commons to see if that would be an option. It might
> > work, but a TLP seems to be a better fit. There seems to be an effort to
> > not have sub-projects, with the obvious exception of Commons. We haven't
> > talked with the HttpComponents PMC, as it doesn't seem like a good fit.
> If
> > you think we should contact them, as they were one of the original
> > sponsors, let us know.
> >
> > I know you're quite active in the IPMC and else where in the foundation,
> > so your help would certainly be appreciated by me. I'm not sure what the
> > next steps are. We could always try a graduation vote with a 3 or 4
> person
> > PMC. We probably would need to do a name change with Android and the
> > related devices. Any advice is appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Richard
> >
>
> Becoming a TLP does sound preferable. A three person PMC is the absolute
> minimum but i don't recall ever seeing a podling graduate with that few.
> The problem is that as soon as one person goes away then the project is
> unable to get the three binding votes necessary to do releases so the
> project stalls. Even four seems a little small so if five or more people
> could be found its likely to make things easier. Smaller podlings often add
> their mentors to help make up the numbers, a problem here is that you two
> are the mentors so that doesn't help. To be honest i think your best bet
> could be to try recruit a couple more new mentors and then include them
> along with all the current listed committers in the graduation proposal.
>
> About the Droids name, the Incubator podling naming guide is here (if you
> didn't already know): http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html. If
> you'd like i can start going through that for you to see if it helps about
> the name?
>
>    ...ant
>

Re: Status

[ant elder <an...@gmail.com>]

On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:36 AM, Richard Frovarp <rf...@apache.org>wrote:

> On 05/30/2013 02:28 AM, ant elder wrote:
>
>> Hi Droids, I'm from the Incubator PMC and doing a review of the older
>> Incubator poddlings and why they're not graduating. I also happen to be
>> from the HttpComponents PMC which was the original sponsor of Droids.
>> Looking about here the only thing holding Droids back is that there not
>> many active participants. Would that be correct?
>>
>> Droids has been here such a long time now and the Incubator is not adding
>> much value. There have been discussions on general@ about what to do with
>> small poddlings, eg: http://markmail.org/message/**vd53bm3fouw7ueow<http://markmail.org/message/vd53bm3fouw7ueow>,
>> which
>> suggests including the mentors on the PMC when graduating to help make up
>> the numbers. Any comments on that approach?
>>
>> Who are your mentors these days, and would having any new mentors help? If
>> so i'd be happy to sign up to see what can be done.
>>
>>     ...ant
>>
>>
> Ant,
>
> Thanks for the note and offer to help. You are correct, graduation is for
> the most part hung up on active participants. Thorsten Scherler and I are
> both mentors, on the IPMC, and largely involved in the project. So in our
> case, the mentors would want to be on the PMC. We could come up with a 3
> member PMC that would be active and could keep the project going. I've seen
> messages from either the IPMC or Board indicating that a project needs to
> have three active PMC members so that there can be legal releases. So in
> theory we could graduate with a 3 person PMC, and be successful.
>
> One of the problems we've had is making releases. I've released managed
> the two releases. Between Thorsten and I, we have two binding votes, but it
> can be hard to get the 3rd IPMC vote, as you've no doubt seen from other
> projects as well on the IPMC list. It would be easier for us to do new
> releases as a TLP. I understand that the point of releasing through the
> IPMC is to make sure everything is correct. With two releases we've shown
> that we understand that piece.
>
> We have approached Commons to see if that would be an option. It might
> work, but a TLP seems to be a better fit. There seems to be an effort to
> not have sub-projects, with the obvious exception of Commons. We haven't
> talked with the HttpComponents PMC, as it doesn't seem like a good fit. If
> you think we should contact them, as they were one of the original
> sponsors, let us know.
>
> I know you're quite active in the IPMC and else where in the foundation,
> so your help would certainly be appreciated by me. I'm not sure what the
> next steps are. We could always try a graduation vote with a 3 or 4 person
> PMC. We probably would need to do a name change with Android and the
> related devices. Any advice is appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>

Becoming a TLP does sound preferable. A three person PMC is the absolute
minimum but i don't recall ever seeing a podling graduate with that few.
The problem is that as soon as one person goes away then the project is
unable to get the three binding votes necessary to do releases so the
project stalls. Even four seems a little small so if five or more people
could be found its likely to make things easier. Smaller podlings often add
their mentors to help make up the numbers, a problem here is that you two
are the mentors so that doesn't help. To be honest i think your best bet
could be to try recruit a couple more new mentors and then include them
along with all the current listed committers in the graduation proposal.

About the Droids name, the Incubator podling naming guide is here (if you
didn't already know): http://incubator.apache.org/guides/names.html. If
you'd like i can start going through that for you to see if it helps about
the name?

   ...ant

Re: Status

[Richard Frovarp <rf...@apache.org>]

On 05/30/2013 02:28 AM, ant elder wrote:
> Hi Droids, I'm from the Incubator PMC and doing a review of the older
> Incubator poddlings and why they're not graduating. I also happen to be
> from the HttpComponents PMC which was the original sponsor of Droids.
> Looking about here the only thing holding Droids back is that there not
> many active participants. Would that be correct?
>
> Droids has been here such a long time now and the Incubator is not adding
> much value. There have been discussions on general@ about what to do with
> small poddlings, eg: http://markmail.org/message/vd53bm3fouw7ueow, which
> suggests including the mentors on the PMC when graduating to help make up
> the numbers. Any comments on that approach?
>
> Who are your mentors these days, and would having any new mentors help? If
> so i'd be happy to sign up to see what can be done.
>
>     ...ant
>

Ant,

Thanks for the note and offer to help. You are correct, graduation is 
for the most part hung up on active participants. Thorsten Scherler and 
I are both mentors, on the IPMC, and largely involved in the project. So 
in our case, the mentors would want to be on the PMC. We could come up 
with a 3 member PMC that would be active and could keep the project 
going. I've seen messages from either the IPMC or Board indicating that 
a project needs to have three active PMC members so that there can be 
legal releases. So in theory we could graduate with a 3 person PMC, and 
be successful.

One of the problems we've had is making releases. I've released managed 
the two releases. Between Thorsten and I, we have two binding votes, but 
it can be hard to get the 3rd IPMC vote, as you've no doubt seen from 
other projects as well on the IPMC list. It would be easier for us to do 
new releases as a TLP. I understand that the point of releasing through 
the IPMC is to make sure everything is correct. With two releases we've 
shown that we understand that piece.

We have approached Commons to see if that would be an option. It might 
work, but a TLP seems to be a better fit. There seems to be an effort to 
not have sub-projects, with the obvious exception of Commons. We haven't 
talked with the HttpComponents PMC, as it doesn't seem like a good fit. 
If you think we should contact them, as they were one of the original 
sponsors, let us know.

I know you're quite active in the IPMC and else where in the foundation, 
so your help would certainly be appreciated by me. I'm not sure what the 
next steps are. We could always try a graduation vote with a 3 or 4 
person PMC. We probably would need to do a name change with Android and 
the related devices. Any advice is appreciated.

Thanks,
Richard