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Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Hi,
The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
connection protocol.
When using Windows svn client (
http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
(e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir' will
always result in an error:
svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
MKACTIVITY request for
'/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
What I did
has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the
'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Andrey Repin <an...@freemail.ru>.
Greetings, Andy Levy!
>>>> The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
>>>> connection protocol.
>>>> When using Windows svn client
>>>> (http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
>>>> there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
>>>> when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
>>>> (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir' will
>>>> always result in an error:
>>>> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
>>>> MKACTIVITY request for
>>>> '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
>>>>
>>>> What I did
>>>> has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
>>>> Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
>>
>>> If you already have the Win32 command-line client, why are you using
>>> the hack that is Cygwin?
>>
>> Cygwin is not a hack.
>> How else you could force Subversion to export LF-wrapped files on Windows with
>> eol-style=native?
> If you require LF-wrapped files, then set eol-style=LF. Why use native
> if that's not really what you want?
Do you suggest me to do that every time before checkout?
And my other collaborators should revert that setting when they want them with
wrappings suitable for their tools?
I'm using tools that suitable for me. If I can save my repository
administrator a headache, i will certainly do that. In such case it means that
I'm using Subversion built against cygwin-1.dll to export certain progects to
my working copy.
>>> Cygwin tricks the client into thinking it's on an OS it's not, which leads
>>> to confusion and some problems.
>>
>> You're seriously wrong if you thinking that way.
> Yet those problems have been documented on this very mailing list.
> Try it this way: you can't share a WC created under Cygwin with the
> Win32 SVN clients. You face many of the same issues you face when
> sharing a WC between Win32 and *NIX.
*sigh* Please stay on topic. All this your twist has nothing to do with OP's
problem. Not even a thing.
--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 28.08.2009, <3:51>
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
2009/8/27 Andrey Repin <an...@freemail.ru>:
> Greetings, Andy Levy!
>
>>> The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
>>> connection protocol.
>>> When using Windows svn client
>>> (http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
>>> there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
>>> when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
>>> (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir' will
>>> always result in an error:
>>> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
>>> MKACTIVITY request for
>>> '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
>>>
>>> What I did
>>> has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
>>> Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
>
>> If you already have the Win32 command-line client, why are you using
>> the hack that is Cygwin?
>
> Cygwin is not a hack.
> How else you could force Subversion to export LF-wrapped files on Windows with
> eol-style=native?
If you require LF-wrapped files, then set eol-style=LF. Why use native
if that's not really what you want?
>> Cygwin tricks the client into thinking it's on an OS it's not, which leads
>> to confusion and some problems.
>
> You're seriously wrong if you thinking that way.
Yet those problems have been documented on this very mailing list.
Try it this way: you can't share a WC created under Cygwin with the
Win32 SVN clients. You face many of the same issues you face when
sharing a WC between Win32 and *NIX.
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Andrey Repin <an...@freemail.ru>.
Greetings, Andy Levy!
>> The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
>> connection protocol.
>> When using Windows svn client
>> (http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
>> there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
>> when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
>> (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir' will
>> always result in an error:
>> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
>> MKACTIVITY request for
>> '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
>>
>> What I did
>> has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
>> Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
> If you already have the Win32 command-line client, why are you using
> the hack that is Cygwin?
Cygwin is not a hack.
How else you could force Subversion to export LF-wrapped files on Windows with
eol-style=native?
> Cygwin tricks the client into thinking it's on an OS it's not, which leads
> to confusion and some problems.
You're seriously wrong if you thinking that way.
--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 27.08.2009, <23:45>
Sorry for my terrible english...
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Steven Woody <na...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:33, Steven Woody<na...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
> > connection protocol.
> > When using Windows svn client
> > (http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
> > there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
> > when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
> > (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir'
> will
> > always result in an error:
> > svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
> > MKACTIVITY request for
> > '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
> >
> > What I did
> >
> has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
> > Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
>
> If you already have the Win32 command-line client, why are you using
> the hack that is Cygwin? Cygwin tricks the client into thinking it's
> on an OS it's not, which leads to confusion and some problems.
For some reason, I wish to have the cygwin's svn work for me. Since I am
distributing an own-wrote application to my colleagues, this application is
based on cygwin and also call external svn client to do something. So, I
don't want bother my colleagues to install another svn client if they
already have cygwin installed.
Thanks.
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narke
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Andy Levy <an...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 01:33, Steven Woody<na...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
> connection protocol.
> When using Windows svn client
> (http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
> there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
> when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
> (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir' will
> always result in an error:
> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
> MKACTIVITY request for
> '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
>
> What I did
> has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
> Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
If you already have the Win32 command-line client, why are you using
the hack that is Cygwin? Cygwin tricks the client into thinking it's
on an OS it's not, which leads to confusion and some problems.
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Daniel Shahaf wrote on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 at 06:30 +0300:
> Steven Woody wrote on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 at 11:06 +0800:
> > K 8
> > password
> > V 272
> > !
> > AQAAANCMnd8BFdERjHoAwE/Cl+sBAAAA0+7yvxtC7ESls5Ru0ooxxwAAAAAyAAAAYQB1AHQAaABfAH
> > MAdgBuAC4AcwBpAG0AcABsAGUALgB3AGkAbgBjAHIAeQBwAHQAAAADZgAAqAAAABAAAAC3Nas5nuBDpj
> > o0Lgh5b04zAAAAAASAAACgAAAAEAAAABpnG+U2uFdB3YXZNULKqRAQAAAApCZDibnqOxNpMVY3Y3dKgR
> > QAAAC8yRO7RW7FUg9eNaYXP/hcNWtIMA==
You may want to change your password now.
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Daniel Shahaf <d....@daniel.shahaf.name>.
Steven Woody wrote on Fri, 28 Aug 2009 at 11:06 +0800:
> Hi, everyone
>
> After some tests, I found the cause, but I don't know how to explain
> it and how to fix it.
>
> After I removed the whole configuration directory for both the windows and
> the cygwin svn client, they both begin to ask me a username/password when i
> do the first svn
> operation. After I supplied the username/password, both client
> re-created the configuration directory and put a file
> 'f95bc30e725c3e318b1348ab3a6f5cbd'
> in the 'auth/svn.simple' subdirectory. But the contents of the file
> generated by both clients are different even though i am operating on the
> same server and do the same operation with the same username/password!
>
> The difference is only one line for the file, it looks like an encoded
> password. Now I show you the the diff output as below. (the first file is
> the cygwin's file, the second one is the windows native client's file)
>
base64 encoded.
> *** svn.simple/f95bc30e725c3e318b1348ab3a6f5cbd Fri Aug 28 10:52:50 2009
> --- /cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/wuwo/Application
> Data/Subversion/auth/svn
> .simple/f95bc30e725c3e318b1348ab3a6f5cbd Fri Aug 28 10:46:36 2009
> ***************
> *** 5,11 ****
> K 8
> password
> V 272
> !
> AQAAANCMnd8BFdERjHoAwE/Cl+sBAAAA0+7yvxtC7ESls5Ru0ooxxwAAAAAyAAAAYQB1AHQAaABfAH
> MAdgBuAC4AcwBpAG0AcABsAGUALgB3AGkAbgBjAHIAeQBwAHQAAAADZgAAqAAAABAAAAC3Nas5nuBDpj
> o0Lgh5b04zAAAAAASAAACgAAAAEAAAABpnG+U2uFdB3YXZNULKqRAQAAAApCZDibnqOxNpMVY3Y3dKgR
> QAAAC8yRO7RW7FUg9eNaYXP/hcNWtIMA==
> K 15
> svn:realmstring
> V 57
> --- 5,11 ----
> K 8
> password
> V 272
> !
> AQAAANCMnd8BFdERjHoAwE/Cl+sBAAAA0+7yvxtC7ESls5Ru0ooxxwAAAAAyAAAAYQB1AHQAaABfAH
> MAdgBuAC4AcwBpAG0AcABsAGUALgB3AGkAbgBjAHIAeQBwAHQAAAADZgAAqAAAABAAAAA4INy7/rVapk
> TewfVfYMJ1AAAAAASAAACgAAAAEAAAALNEaxon0sWikNziZa6reLMQAAAA+ktHaRAmO1EVFPpiP7DMNB
> QAAABzexq19aZmOa7Zsd+DIZqRkZHAKg==
> K 15
> svn:realmstring
> V 57
>
>
> Is this enough to you to do an analysis? Thanks in advance!
>
This is wrong. If this is the ONLY difference between the two files,
then presumably both of them have 'passtype' set to 'wincrypt' --- which
means that both of them were generated by a native-windows svn.
(You can decode the base64 and see for yourself: it contains the string
"auth_svn.simple.wincrypt", which is the value of a constant from a source
file (win32_crypto.c) that isn't compiled on Cygwin.)
>
>
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Steven Woody <na...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Andrey Repin <an...@freemail.ru> wrote:
> Greetings, Steven Woody!
>
> >> > The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
> >> > connection protocol.
> >>
> >> > When using Windows svn client (
> >> > http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91
> ),
> >> > there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password.
> But
> >> > when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read
> operations
> >> > (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir'
> >> will
> >> > always result in an error:
> >>
> >> > svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response
> to
> >> > MKACTIVITY request for
> >> > '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
> >>
> >>
> >> > What I did
> >> > has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the
> >> > 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
> >>
> >> Can you do exactly the same command with native windows client?
>
>
> > Yes, I can do it with the native windows client without any problem.
>
>
> >> > Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
> >>
> >> Cygwin client likely store it's configuration files in different place
> than
> >> native Windows client.
> >> Check that, and make sure your configuration for Cygwin SVN client
> >> identical
> >> to Windows one.
>
>
> > Okay, I will do it tomorrow when I in the office computer. I've already
> > knew that where is the configuration files for cygwin svn. but could you
> > tell me where is the configuration files for my native windows svn? My
> > windows svn is the CollabNet from tigris.org.
>
> It's the same for all Windows clients, that are not built against
> cygwin-1.dll
> %AppData%/Subversion
>
> >>
> >> Also try passing name/password in commandline along with --no-auth-cache
> >> --non-interactive
> >>
>
> > Actually, I am sure what is the user name and password. I remembered
> I've
> > tried by using my windows's domain account. But it did not work. You
> know,
> > for our repository accessing, there is no user name password required, i
> > guess it is using the OS's user name to do the authontication. If my
> > windows account is domain\tom, and password is 'hello', so can you give
> me
> > a suggest on how should I provide this to the svn client?
>
> Ahha, this could be a problem, actually.
> I haven't tried Cygwin SVN with ntlm authentication.
> If your server does not have any fallback methods of authentication, it
> would
> not work at all. Still, needs check, though.
>
>
> --
> WBR,
> Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 27.08.2009, <23:40>
>
> Sorry for my terrible english...
>
>
Hi, everyone
After some tests, I found the cause, but I don't know how to explain
it and how to fix it.
After I removed the whole configuration directory for both the windows and
the cygwin svn client, they both begin to ask me a username/password when i
do the first svn
operation. After I supplied the username/password, both client
re-created the configuration directory and put a file
'f95bc30e725c3e318b1348ab3a6f5cbd'
in the 'auth/svn.simple' subdirectory. But the contents of the file
generated by both clients are different even though i am operating on the
same server and do the same operation with the same username/password!
The difference is only one line for the file, it looks like an encoded
password. Now I show you the the diff output as below. (the first file is
the cygwin's file, the second one is the windows native client's file)
*** svn.simple/f95bc30e725c3e318b1348ab3a6f5cbd Fri Aug 28 10:52:50 2009
--- /cygdrive/c/Documents and Settings/wuwo/Application
Data/Subversion/auth/svn
.simple/f95bc30e725c3e318b1348ab3a6f5cbd Fri Aug 28 10:46:36 2009
***************
*** 5,11 ****
K 8
password
V 272
!
AQAAANCMnd8BFdERjHoAwE/Cl+sBAAAA0+7yvxtC7ESls5Ru0ooxxwAAAAAyAAAAYQB1AHQAaABfAH
MAdgBuAC4AcwBpAG0AcABsAGUALgB3AGkAbgBjAHIAeQBwAHQAAAADZgAAqAAAABAAAAC3Nas5nuBDpj
o0Lgh5b04zAAAAAASAAACgAAAAEAAAABpnG+U2uFdB3YXZNULKqRAQAAAApCZDibnqOxNpMVY3Y3dKgR
QAAAC8yRO7RW7FUg9eNaYXP/hcNWtIMA==
K 15
svn:realmstring
V 57
--- 5,11 ----
K 8
password
V 272
!
AQAAANCMnd8BFdERjHoAwE/Cl+sBAAAA0+7yvxtC7ESls5Ru0ooxxwAAAAAyAAAAYQB1AHQAaABfAH
MAdgBuAC4AcwBpAG0AcABsAGUALgB3AGkAbgBjAHIAeQBwAHQAAAADZgAAqAAAABAAAAA4INy7/rVapk
TewfVfYMJ1AAAAAASAAACgAAAAEAAAALNEaxon0sWikNziZa6reLMQAAAA+ktHaRAmO1EVFPpiP7DMNB
QAAABzexq19aZmOa7Zsd+DIZqRkZHAKg==
K 15
svn:realmstring
V 57
Is this enough to you to do an analysis? Thanks in advance!
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Andrey Repin <an...@freemail.ru>.
Greetings, Steven Woody!
>> > The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
>> > connection protocol.
>>
>> > When using Windows svn client (
>> > http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
>> > there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
>> > when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
>> > (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir'
>> will
>> > always result in an error:
>>
>> > svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
>> > MKACTIVITY request for
>> > '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
>>
>>
>> > What I did
>> > has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the
>> > 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
>>
>> Can you do exactly the same command with native windows client?
> Yes, I can do it with the native windows client without any problem.
>> > Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
>>
>> Cygwin client likely store it's configuration files in different place than
>> native Windows client.
>> Check that, and make sure your configuration for Cygwin SVN client
>> identical
>> to Windows one.
> Okay, I will do it tomorrow when I in the office computer. I've already
> knew that where is the configuration files for cygwin svn. but could you
> tell me where is the configuration files for my native windows svn? My
> windows svn is the CollabNet from tigris.org.
It's the same for all Windows clients, that are not built against cygwin-1.dll
%AppData%/Subversion
>>
>> Also try passing name/password in commandline along with --no-auth-cache
>> --non-interactive
>>
> Actually, I am sure what is the user name and password. I remembered I've
> tried by using my windows's domain account. But it did not work. You know,
> for our repository accessing, there is no user name password required, i
> guess it is using the OS's user name to do the authontication. If my
> windows account is domain\tom, and password is 'hello', so can you give me
> a suggest on how should I provide this to the svn client?
Ahha, this could be a problem, actually.
I haven't tried Cygwin SVN with ntlm authentication.
If your server does not have any fallback methods of authentication, it would
not work at all. Still, needs check, though.
--
WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 27.08.2009, <23:40>
Sorry for my terrible english...
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Steven Woody <na...@gmail.com>.
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Andrey Repin <an...@freemail.ru> wrote:
> Greetings, Steven Woody!
>
> > Hi,
> > The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
> > connection protocol.
>
> > When using Windows svn client (
> > http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
> > there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
> > when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
> > (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir'
> will
> > always result in an error:
>
> > svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
> > MKACTIVITY request for
> > '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
>
>
> > What I did
> > has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the
> > 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
>
> Can you do exactly the same command with native windows client?
Yes, I can do it with the native windows client without any problem.
>
>
> > Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
>
> Cygwin client likely store it's configuration files in different place than
> native Windows client.
> Check that, and make sure your configuration for Cygwin SVN client
> identical
> to Windows one.
Okay, I will do it tomorrow when I in the office computer. I've already
knew that where is the configuration files for cygwin svn. but could you
tell me where is the configuration files for my native windows svn? My
windows svn is the CollabNet from tigris.org.
>
> Also try passing name/password in commandline along with --no-auth-cache
> --non-interactive
>
Actually, I am sure what is the user name and password. I remembered I've
tried by using my windows's domain account. But it did not work. You know,
for our repository accessing, there is no user name password required, i
guess it is using the OS's user name to do the authontication. If my
windows account is domain\tom, and password is 'hello', so can you give me
a suggest on how should I provide this to the svn client?
Thanks.
>
> --
> WBR,
> Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 27.08.2009, <13:10>
>
> Sorry for my terrible english...
>
>
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Re: Cygwin's svn client cannot write to a windows https repository
Posted by Andrey Repin <an...@freemail.ru>.
Greetings, Steven Woody!
> Hi,
> The repository seems running on a Windows machine. It use https as
> connection protocol.
> When using Windows svn client (
> http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ProjectDocumentList?folderID=91),
> there is no problem, it even not ask for a user name and password. But
> when I use the svn client (1.6.4) comes from cygwin, the read operations
> (e.g. ls, co) get no problem, but and write operation such as 'mkdir' will
> always result in an error:
> svn: Server sent unexpected return value (403 Forbidden) in response to
> MKACTIVITY request for
> '/svn/LowCost/!svn/act/aaf33518-92b5-11de-8af7-c3c035929cdc'
> What I did
> has nothing to do with local working copy, since i am doing the
> 'mkdir' on the remote URL, there is no local copy involved at all.
Can you do exactly the same command with native windows client?
> Can anyone give me some help? Thanks.
Cygwin client likely store it's configuration files in different place than
native Windows client.
Check that, and make sure your configuration for Cygwin SVN client identical
to Windows one.
Also try passing name/password in commandline along with --no-auth-cache --non-interactive
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WBR,
Andrey Repin (anrdaemon@freemail.ru) 27.08.2009, <13:10>
Sorry for my terrible english...
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