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need help about sound
dear openmeetings,
i have a problem about sound on openmeetings, today a lot of user use
openmeetings with problem delay sound, if we have monitored a network
and latency for this apps not overload and latency just only 25ms(maks),
how to check why this problem appears?
Tks
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Re: need help about sound
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
OM is configured using
/opt/red5/conf/*
config.xml
GUI -> Admin -> Configurations
On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:46 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN <ar...@ocbcnisp.com>
wrote:
> hi Max,
> curently we have member for openmeetings is around 2000 user, and average
> used on a day is around 30 - 40 users
> do you have another config beside on config.xml?
>
>
> tks
> On 1/22/2015 11:08 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> And how many users were connected?
> Actually we are explicitly starting new threads only to perform "heavy"
> tasks: import/export, document/recording conversions, sending emails etc.
> both wicket and red5 we are using works as expected on heavy load and use
> as much threads as necessary :)
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Dear Max,
>> because Java process only 1 if we monitored on console... here some
>> capture to confirm that process..
>>
>>
>> tks
>>
>>
>> On 1/21/2015 9:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> so
>> cat /proc/cpuinfo
>> shows you multiple cores and how are you determining java uses only one?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:36 AM, ARI HENDIAWAN <
>> ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Max,
>>> i will try to restart first my server...
>>> my server use 4 vCPU, but, java apps only work on 1 vCPU, any idea how
>>> to work use multi Proc Red5 (java)
>>>
>>> fyi,
>>> my server use vmware with 4 vcpu and 8 GB RAM
>>>
>>> tks
>>> On 1/16/2015 4:57 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe memory/CPU usage on the server was too high?
>>> Have you tried to restart OM?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN <
>>> ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> dear openmeetings,
>>>> i have a problem about sound on openmeetings, today a lot of user use
>>>> openmeetings with problem delay sound, if we have monitored a network and
>>>> latency for this apps not overload and latency just only 25ms(maks), how to
>>>> check why this problem appears?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Tks
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
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Re: need help about sound
Posted by ARI HENDIAWAN <ar...@ocbcnisp.com>.
hi Max,
curently we have member for openmeetings is around 2000 user, and
average used on a day is around 30 - 40 users
do you have another config beside on config.xml?
tks
On 1/22/2015 11:08 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> And how many users were connected?
> Actually we are explicitly starting new threads only to perform
> "heavy" tasks: import/export, document/recording conversions, sending
> emails etc.
> both wicket and red5 we are using works as expected on heavy load and
> use as much threads as necessary :)
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN
> <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com <ma...@ocbcnisp.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear Max,
> because Java process only 1 if we monitored on console... here
> some capture to confirm that process..
>
>
> tks
>
>
> On 1/21/2015 9:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> so
>> cat /proc/cpuinfo
>> shows you multiple cores and how are you determining java uses
>> only one?
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:36 AM, ARI HENDIAWAN
>> <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com <ma...@ocbcnisp.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Max,
>> i will try to restart first my server...
>> my server use 4 vCPU, but, java apps only work on 1 vCPU, any
>> idea how to work use multi Proc Red5 (java)
>>
>> fyi,
>> my server use vmware with 4 vcpu and 8 GB RAM
>>
>> tks
>> On 1/16/2015 4:57 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>> Maybe memory/CPU usage on the server was too high?
>>> Have you tried to restart OM?
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN
>>> <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com
>>> <ma...@ocbcnisp.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> dear openmeetings,
>>> i have a problem about sound on openmeetings, today a
>>> lot of user use openmeetings with problem delay sound,
>>> if we have monitored a network and latency for this apps
>>> not overload and latency just only 25ms(maks), how to
>>> check why this problem appears?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tks
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> NISP Tbk shall be understood as neither given nor
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>>> liability whatsoever is undertaken by PT Bank OCBC NISP
>>> Tbk in respect of prohibited and unauthorised use by any
>>> other person.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
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>> Maxim aka solomax
>
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Re: need help about sound
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
And how many users were connected?
Actually we are explicitly starting new threads only to perform "heavy"
tasks: import/export, document/recording conversions, sending emails etc.
both wicket and red5 we are using works as expected on heavy load and use
as much threads as necessary :)
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 1:26 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN <ar...@ocbcnisp.com>
wrote:
> Dear Max,
> because Java process only 1 if we monitored on console... here some
> capture to confirm that process..
>
>
> tks
>
>
> On 1/21/2015 9:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> so
> cat /proc/cpuinfo
> shows you multiple cores and how are you determining java uses only one?
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:36 AM, ARI HENDIAWAN <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Hi Max,
>> i will try to restart first my server...
>> my server use 4 vCPU, but, java apps only work on 1 vCPU, any idea how to
>> work use multi Proc Red5 (java)
>>
>> fyi,
>> my server use vmware with 4 vcpu and 8 GB RAM
>>
>> tks
>> On 1/16/2015 4:57 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>>
>> Maybe memory/CPU usage on the server was too high?
>> Have you tried to restart OM?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> dear openmeetings,
>>> i have a problem about sound on openmeetings, today a lot of user use
>>> openmeetings with problem delay sound, if we have monitored a network and
>>> latency for this apps not overload and latency just only 25ms(maks), how to
>>> check why this problem appears?
>>>
>>>
>>> Tks
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> neither given nor endorsed by it. No assumption of responsibility or
>>> liability whatsoever is undertaken by PT Bank OCBC NISP Tbk in respect of
>>> prohibited and unauthorised use by any other person.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> neither given nor endorsed by it. No assumption of responsibility or
>> liability whatsoever is undertaken by PT Bank OCBC NISP Tbk in respect of
>> prohibited and unauthorised use by any other person.
>>
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
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Re: need help about sound
Posted by ARI HENDIAWAN <ar...@ocbcnisp.com>.
Dear Max,
because Java process only 1 if we monitored on console... here some
capture to confirm that process..
tks
On 1/21/2015 9:32 AM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> so
> cat /proc/cpuinfo
> shows you multiple cores and how are you determining java uses only one?
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:36 AM, ARI HENDIAWAN
> <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com <ma...@ocbcnisp.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Max,
> i will try to restart first my server...
> my server use 4 vCPU, but, java apps only work on 1 vCPU, any idea
> how to work use multi Proc Red5 (java)
>
> fyi,
> my server use vmware with 4 vcpu and 8 GB RAM
>
> tks
> On 1/16/2015 4:57 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>> Maybe memory/CPU usage on the server was too high?
>> Have you tried to restart OM?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN
>> <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com <ma...@ocbcnisp.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> dear openmeetings,
>> i have a problem about sound on openmeetings, today a lot of
>> user use openmeetings with problem delay sound, if we have
>> monitored a network and latency for this apps not overload
>> and latency just only 25ms(maks), how to check why this
>> problem appears?
>>
>>
>> Tks
>>
>>
>> --
>> Disclaimer :
>> Confidential information may be contained in this message. If
>> you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly
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>> Bank OCBC NISP Tbk shall be understood as neither given nor
>> endorsed by it. No assumption of responsibility or liability
>> whatsoever is undertaken by PT Bank OCBC NISP Tbk in respect
>> of prohibited and unauthorised use by any other person.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
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Re: need help about sound
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
so
cat /proc/cpuinfo
shows you multiple cores and how are you determining java uses only one?
On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 7:36 AM, ARI HENDIAWAN <ar...@ocbcnisp.com>
wrote:
> Hi Max,
> i will try to restart first my server...
> my server use 4 vCPU, but, java apps only work on 1 vCPU, any idea how to
> work use multi Proc Red5 (java)
>
> fyi,
> my server use vmware with 4 vcpu and 8 GB RAM
>
> tks
> On 1/16/2015 4:57 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
>
> Maybe memory/CPU usage on the server was too high?
> Have you tried to restart OM?
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN <ar...@ocbcnisp.com>
> wrote:
>
>> dear openmeetings,
>> i have a problem about sound on openmeetings, today a lot of user use
>> openmeetings with problem delay sound, if we have monitored a network and
>> latency for this apps not overload and latency just only 25ms(maks), how to
>> check why this problem appears?
>>
>>
>> Tks
>>
>>
>> --
>> Disclaimer :
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>> the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited and may be unlawful to
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>> conclusions and other information in this e-mail that do not relate to the
>> official business of any PT Bank OCBC NISP Tbk shall be understood as
>> neither given nor endorsed by it. No assumption of responsibility or
>> liability whatsoever is undertaken by PT Bank OCBC NISP Tbk in respect of
>> prohibited and unauthorised use by any other person.
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>
>
>
>
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Maxim aka solomax
Re: need help about sound
Posted by ARI HENDIAWAN <ar...@ocbcnisp.com>.
Hi Max,
i will try to restart first my server...
my server use 4 vCPU, but, java apps only work on 1 vCPU, any idea how
to work use multi Proc Red5 (java)
fyi,
my server use vmware with 4 vcpu and 8 GB RAM
tks
On 1/16/2015 4:57 PM, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Maybe memory/CPU usage on the server was too high?
> Have you tried to restart OM?
>
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN
> <ari.hendiawan@ocbcnisp.com <ma...@ocbcnisp.com>> wrote:
>
> dear openmeetings,
> i have a problem about sound on openmeetings, today a lot of user
> use openmeetings with problem delay sound, if we have monitored a
> network and latency for this apps not overload and latency just
> only 25ms(maks), how to check why this problem appears?
>
>
> Tks
>
>
> --
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> or liability whatsoever is undertaken by PT Bank OCBC NISP Tbk in
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>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
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Re: need help about sound
Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Maybe memory/CPU usage on the server was too high?
Have you tried to restart OM?
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:09 PM, ARI HENDIAWAN <ar...@ocbcnisp.com>
wrote:
> dear openmeetings,
> i have a problem about sound on openmeetings, today a lot of user use
> openmeetings with problem delay sound, if we have monitored a network and
> latency for this apps not overload and latency just only 25ms(maks), how to
> check why this problem appears?
>
>
> Tks
>
>
> --
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> prohibited and unauthorised use by any other person.
>
>
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Maxim aka solomax