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Re: New Cayenne website design
On 30/9/17 9:40PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Other than the logo debate, everybody seems to like the design, so I guess we proceed with it.
I made a bunch of more specific comments inside invision, some of which Evgeny has responded to. I think it would be worth going a few more rounds of comments and adjustments since I think there are still some structural issues like navigation, colour and accessibility which are really important. But overall it is going in the right direction!
Ari
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Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Another one suggested by a colleague: "Your ORM superpower".
I kinda like it compared to other options. It is non-confrontational and to the point :)
Andrus
> On Jan 12, 2018, at 9:34 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
>
>
>> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Also anyone remembers, did we come up with a better slogan to replace "ORM
>>> with character"?
>>>
>>
>> "Persist your world"?
>
> I like the sound of it, but would like the slogan to be more ORM specific.
>
>> "Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
>
> That's descriptive.
>
> A few more random thoughts:
>
> "ORM - the good parts"
> "ORM .. the way it was meant to be" (too pretentious?)
> "smooth Java ORM"
>
> Andrus
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Lon Varscsak <lo...@gmail.com>.
"pretentious and judgmental" is my middle name! ;)
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:34 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > "Persist your world"?
> >
> > I like the sound of it, but would like the slogan to be more ORM
> specific.
> >
>
> Yeah, I was just thinking something short and simple, but it isn't terribly
> descriptive.
>
>
> > > "Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
> >
> > That's descriptive.
> >
>
> And here I was trying to be more descriptive to give someone a clue as to
> what it was about. :-) Could shorten it a bit, perhaps, with something
> like, "Java persistence and modeling" or "Java ORM persistence and
> modeling."
>
>
> > A few more random thoughts:
> >
> > "ORM .. the way it was meant to be" (too pretentious?)
> >
>
> Yeah, that one seems too pretentious and judgmental.
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
This is actually a good one. I'd use it when we get tired of the current "superpower" tagline :)
Andrus
> On Jan 22, 2018, at 1:45 PM, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The sign looks awsome, well done.
>
> Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
>
> regards Malcolm
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
>> Thanks for all your help and ideas!
>>
>> P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
>> https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
>>>
>>> I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache
>> subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual
>> area. I'd keep it.
>>>
>>>> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Nikita Timofeev
>>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
Sure, but then I have to specifically type "site:cayenne.apache.org" in
addition to my search terms. It is just a user-convenience.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:08 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
>
>
> > On Feb 6, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Should we have a "search" box on the site? It can be linked to a Google
> > site-search.
>
> I thought about it when we prototyped the site, and decided against it.
> Without Cayenne-specific functionality behind the search (like e.g.
> integrated UI, the ability to select/switch a version of the docs you are
> searching for, etc.), it seems pointless. People can use Google without our
> help.
>
> Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> On Feb 6, 2018, at 5:54 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Should we have a "search" box on the site? It can be linked to a Google
> site-search.
I thought about it when we prototyped the site, and decided against it. Without Cayenne-specific functionality behind the search (like e.g. integrated UI, the ability to select/switch a version of the docs you are searching for, etc.), it seems pointless. People can use Google without our help.
Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
Should we have a "search" box on the site? It can be linked to a Google
site-search.
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> Just a little thing (unrelated to website design), the 3.1.2 is out since a while, but the release notes says that is not yet released
Yeah, that's an artifact of the release process workflow. When we create a Git tag, we don't yet know the official release date which would happen a week or two in the future. Of course the date eventually added to the branch: https://github.com/apache/cayenne/blob/STABLE-3.1/docs/doc/src/main/resources/RELEASE-NOTES.txt . Other branches have the same issue.
I guess we can use the tag date as the release date in the RELEASE-NOTES and add this step to the release guide (?)
Andrus
> On Jan 22, 2018, at 1:47 PM, Amedeo Mantica <am...@me.com> wrote:
>
> really cool!
>
> Congrats
>
> Just a little thing (unrelated to website design), the 3.1.2 is out since a while, but the release notes says that is not yet released
>
> Amedeo
>
>> On 22 Jan 2018, at 11:45, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> The sign looks awsome, well done.
>>
>> Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
>>
>> regards Malcolm
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
>>> Thanks for all your help and ideas!
>>>
>>> P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
>>> https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
>>>>
>>>> I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache
>>> subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual
>>> area. I'd keep it.
>>>>
>>>>> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
>>>>
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Andrus
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Best regards,
>>> Nikita Timofeev
>>>
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Amedeo Mantica <am...@me.com>.
really cool!
Congrats
Just a little thing (unrelated to website design), the 3.1.2 is out since a while, but the release notes says that is not yet released
Amedeo
> On 22 Jan 2018, at 11:45, Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The sign looks awsome, well done.
>
> Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
>
> regards Malcolm
>
> On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
>> Thanks for all your help and ideas!
>>
>> P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
>> https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
>>>
>>> I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache
>> subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual
>> area. I'd keep it.
>>>
>>>> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Nikita Timofeev
>>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Malcolm Edgar <ma...@gmail.com>.
The sign looks awsome, well done.
Possible tagline: "A data oriented Java ORM that people love"
regards Malcolm
On Mon, Jan 22, 2018 at 6:50 PM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>
wrote:
> Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
> Thanks for all your help and ideas!
>
> P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
> https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
> >
> > I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache
> subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual
> area. I'd keep it.
> >
> >> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
> >
> > +1
> >
> > Andrus
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Nikita Timofeev
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>.
Congratulations to all, new site is live now at cayenne.apache.org :)
Thanks for all your help and ideas!
P.S. Here is instruction how to work with the new site:
https://cayenne.apache.org/dev/cms-guide.html
On Wed, Jan 17, 2018 at 6:01 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
>
>> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
>
> [...]
>
>> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
>
> I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual area. I'd keep it.
>
>> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
>
> +1
>
> Andrus
>
--
Best regards,
Nikita Timofeev
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> On Jan 15, 2018, at 5:42 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
[...]
> The dark bar is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
I'd say it is in a good place. Underscoring that Cayenne is an Apache subproject, but isolating Foundation-related concerns in its own visual area. I'd keep it.
> bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text?
+1
Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
Finally built/ran the new web site design. I really like the overall look
and functionality except for...
At the top is a dark bar with "Apache Software Foundation v / Apache
Cayenne" and then immediately below it in the red bar is "APACHE CAYENNE".
Seems a bit redundant to me. Can we fold the Apache branding into the red
bar and then get rid of the redundant "Apache Cayenne" text? The dark bar
is taking up a lot of space without adding a lot of value.
Also, under the key features, if you click on a topic, such as "Extension
API", it doesn't update the browser's URL, but hovering over it does show a
"#extension-api" link. However, if you right-click it and open in a new
tab/window, it doesn't take you to the extension API even though the URL
has the anchor segment.
mrg
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 1:34 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
>
> > On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Persist your world"?
>
> I like the sound of it, but would like the slogan to be more ORM specific.
>
Yeah, I was just thinking something short and simple, but it isn't terribly
descriptive.
> > "Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
>
> That's descriptive.
>
And here I was trying to be more descriptive to give someone a clue as to
what it was about. :-) Could shorten it a bit, perhaps, with something
like, "Java persistence and modeling" or "Java ORM persistence and
modeling."
> A few more random thoughts:
>
> "ORM .. the way it was meant to be" (too pretentious?)
>
Yeah, that one seems too pretentious and judgmental.
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> On Dec 29, 2017, at 6:57 PM, Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Also anyone remembers, did we come up with a better slogan to replace "ORM
>> with character"?
>>
>
> "Persist your world"?
I like the sound of it, but would like the slogan to be more ORM specific.
> "Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
That's descriptive.
A few more random thoughts:
"ORM - the good parts"
"ORM .. the way it was meant to be" (too pretentious?)
"smooth Java ORM"
Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, Dec 27, 2017 at 11:20 AM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
> Also anyone remembers, did we come up with a better slogan to replace "ORM
> with character"?
>
"Persist your world"?
"Relational persistence and modeling for Java"?
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> On Dec 27, 2017, at 9:32 PM, Hugi Thordarson <hu...@karlmenn.is> wrote:
>
> "An ORM that won't make you regret your life decisions"? I believe the Hibernate crowd might relate.
Haha, love this.
A.
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Hugi Thordarson <hu...@karlmenn.is>.
"An ORM that won't make you regret your life decisions"? I believe the Hibernate crowd might relate.
- hugi
> On 27 Dec 2017, at 16:20, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>
> Works great on my machine. I am planning to write the text for each one of the features on the home page.
>
> Also anyone remembers, did we come up with a better slogan to replace "ORM with character"?
>
> Andrus
>
>> On Dec 21, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here is a GItHub repo [1] with new site demo, it already has pretty
>> much final design. Everyone can clone and test it locally, see README
>> for technical description.
>> What's inside: docs converted to asciidoc (not yet pushed to Cayenne
>> master), site build with Maven + Gulp + Hugo (but only Maven should be
>> installed, other parts are automated).
>>
>> Everyone are welcome to try it and discuss.
>> Once we are happy with main features we can finalize content and push
>> this into apache repo.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/stariy95/cayenne-website-demo
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>>> Here ys a more realistic 3D logo (at the same location) :
>>>
>>> https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/QPDY76KB9
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:08 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 17/10/17 4:17AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>> Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
>>>>>
>>>>> As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon. Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
>>>>
>>>> These are a great step forward. I think the visual illusion of the frame turning into a finished skin would be enhanced by the skin being smaller so it doesn't feel like a glove. Here's a quick hacky demonstration that needs more tidy up.
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bw5wY__nj_W9NTVkQm9rTk5Fbms?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> It might be interesting to see the top end of the fruit being even more realistic with a slight shine, then it progresses from wireframe to flat colour to realistic. Again, I only spent 10 minutes on this, so I know it needs to be done much better, but look at logo-realistic.png in that same share.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ari
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -------------------------->
>>>> Aristedes Maniatis
>>>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Nikita Timofeev
>
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Works great on my machine. I am planning to write the text for each one of the features on the home page.
Also anyone remembers, did we come up with a better slogan to replace "ORM with character"?
Andrus
> On Dec 21, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a GItHub repo [1] with new site demo, it already has pretty
> much final design. Everyone can clone and test it locally, see README
> for technical description.
> What's inside: docs converted to asciidoc (not yet pushed to Cayenne
> master), site build with Maven + Gulp + Hugo (but only Maven should be
> installed, other parts are automated).
>
> Everyone are welcome to try it and discuss.
> Once we are happy with main features we can finalize content and push
> this into apache repo.
>
> [1] https://github.com/stariy95/cayenne-website-demo
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>> Here ys a more realistic 3D logo (at the same location) :
>>
>> https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/QPDY76KB9
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:08 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17/10/17 4:17AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>> Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
>>>>
>>>> As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon. Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
>>>
>>> These are a great step forward. I think the visual illusion of the frame turning into a finished skin would be enhanced by the skin being smaller so it doesn't feel like a glove. Here's a quick hacky demonstration that needs more tidy up.
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bw5wY__nj_W9NTVkQm9rTk5Fbms?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> It might be interesting to see the top end of the fruit being even more realistic with a slight shine, then it progresses from wireframe to flat colour to realistic. Again, I only spent 10 minutes on this, so I know it needs to be done much better, but look at logo-realistic.png in that same share.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ari
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -------------------------->
>>> Aristedes Maniatis
>>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Nikita Timofeev
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>.
1. Yep, I don't like this license either. Will hack a way to drop it from web.
2. Docs are ordered by "weight" parameter in the front matter part of the page.
The minor problem is that front matter inserted on the Cayenne side,
thus this can be edited once I'll push Asciidocs.
3. This is totally possible, need to modify templates and docs a little.
4. Can't say anything, I'm ok with the current structure (most
probably I just used to it :))
5. I have all 4.1 docs ready (4.0 and 3.1 are on their way) and can
push it, I have standalone HTML generation that we can use on current
site if required.
On Fri, Dec 29, 2017 at 5:18 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> So Nikita just pushed the new site to https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/cayenne-website.git (mirrored at git@github.com:apache/cayenne-website.git).
>
> I like the new docs system a lot. Version selector, expanding table of contents are all very nice. IIRC we are still porting the docs (e.g. 4.0 docs are not there). A few comments:
>
> 1. We might want to remove Apache license from the visible HTML at the top of each "book". E.g. http://localhost:3000/docs/4.1/cayenne-guide/ Unlike the previous version of the site, the license font is practically the same as the main text and just looks annoying. A license in a PDF book probably makes sense. A license the web site is redundant.
>
> 2. I couldn't figure out how to reorder the books in the left-hand menu for a given version.
>
> 3. Is there a way to use a different name for the book in the menu from the book's title? E.g. a standalone book might be called "Cayenne Getting Started Guide", while in the menu it can be shortened to "Getting Started".
>
> 4. There's no way to collapse an expanded menu once you start scrolling. This makes it hard to say jump from the main docs to a tutorial. Perhaps at least we can make the top-level menu items visually stand out?
>
> 5. @Nikita - what is your plan on switching the docs to Asciidoctor? I'd like to make some docs edits, but we are kind of in the middle of a switch from one docs system to another, so I don't want to get in the middle. I assume we can't switch to Asciidoctor without completely switching to the new website?
>
> Thanks,
> Andrus
>
>
>
>> On Dec 21, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here is a GItHub repo [1] with new site demo, it already has pretty
>> much final design. Everyone can clone and test it locally, see README
>> for technical description.
>> What's inside: docs converted to asciidoc (not yet pushed to Cayenne
>> master), site build with Maven + Gulp + Hugo (but only Maven should be
>> installed, other parts are automated).
>>
>> Everyone are welcome to try it and discuss.
>> Once we are happy with main features we can finalize content and push
>> this into apache repo.
>>
>> [1] https://github.com/stariy95/cayenne-website-demo
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>>> Here ys a more realistic 3D logo (at the same location) :
>>>
>>> https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/QPDY76KB9
>>>
>>> Andrus
>>>
>>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:08 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 17/10/17 4:17AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>>> Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
>>>>>
>>>>> As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon. Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
>>>>
>>>> These are a great step forward. I think the visual illusion of the frame turning into a finished skin would be enhanced by the skin being smaller so it doesn't feel like a glove. Here's a quick hacky demonstration that needs more tidy up.
>>>>
>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bw5wY__nj_W9NTVkQm9rTk5Fbms?usp=sharing
>>>>
>>>> It might be interesting to see the top end of the fruit being even more realistic with a slight shine, then it progresses from wireframe to flat colour to realistic. Again, I only spent 10 minutes on this, so I know it needs to be done much better, but look at logo-realistic.png in that same share.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ari
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> -------------------------->
>>>> Aristedes Maniatis
>>>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Nikita Timofeev
>
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Nikita Timofeev
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
So Nikita just pushed the new site to https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/cayenne-website.git (mirrored at git@github.com:apache/cayenne-website.git).
I like the new docs system a lot. Version selector, expanding table of contents are all very nice. IIRC we are still porting the docs (e.g. 4.0 docs are not there). A few comments:
1. We might want to remove Apache license from the visible HTML at the top of each "book". E.g. http://localhost:3000/docs/4.1/cayenne-guide/ Unlike the previous version of the site, the license font is practically the same as the main text and just looks annoying. A license in a PDF book probably makes sense. A license the web site is redundant.
2. I couldn't figure out how to reorder the books in the left-hand menu for a given version.
3. Is there a way to use a different name for the book in the menu from the book's title? E.g. a standalone book might be called "Cayenne Getting Started Guide", while in the menu it can be shortened to "Getting Started".
4. There's no way to collapse an expanded menu once you start scrolling. This makes it hard to say jump from the main docs to a tutorial. Perhaps at least we can make the top-level menu items visually stand out?
5. @Nikita - what is your plan on switching the docs to Asciidoctor? I'd like to make some docs edits, but we are kind of in the middle of a switch from one docs system to another, so I don't want to get in the middle. I assume we can't switch to Asciidoctor without completely switching to the new website?
Thanks,
Andrus
> On Dec 21, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Here is a GItHub repo [1] with new site demo, it already has pretty
> much final design. Everyone can clone and test it locally, see README
> for technical description.
> What's inside: docs converted to asciidoc (not yet pushed to Cayenne
> master), site build with Maven + Gulp + Hugo (but only Maven should be
> installed, other parts are automated).
>
> Everyone are welcome to try it and discuss.
> Once we are happy with main features we can finalize content and push
> this into apache repo.
>
> [1] https://github.com/stariy95/cayenne-website-demo
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
>> Here ys a more realistic 3D logo (at the same location) :
>>
>> https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/QPDY76KB9
>>
>> Andrus
>>
>>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:08 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 17/10/17 4:17AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>>> Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
>>>>
>>>> As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon. Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
>>>
>>> These are a great step forward. I think the visual illusion of the frame turning into a finished skin would be enhanced by the skin being smaller so it doesn't feel like a glove. Here's a quick hacky demonstration that needs more tidy up.
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bw5wY__nj_W9NTVkQm9rTk5Fbms?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> It might be interesting to see the top end of the fruit being even more realistic with a slight shine, then it progresses from wireframe to flat colour to realistic. Again, I only spent 10 minutes on this, so I know it needs to be done much better, but look at logo-realistic.png in that same share.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ari
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> -------------------------->
>>> Aristedes Maniatis
>>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Nikita Timofeev
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Nikita Timofeev <nt...@objectstyle.com>.
Hi all,
Here is a GItHub repo [1] with new site demo, it already has pretty
much final design. Everyone can clone and test it locally, see README
for technical description.
What's inside: docs converted to asciidoc (not yet pushed to Cayenne
master), site build with Maven + Gulp + Hugo (but only Maven should be
installed, other parts are automated).
Everyone are welcome to try it and discuss.
Once we are happy with main features we can finalize content and push
this into apache repo.
[1] https://github.com/stariy95/cayenne-website-demo
On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org> wrote:
> Here ys a more realistic 3D logo (at the same location) :
>
> https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/QPDY76KB9
>
> Andrus
>
>> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:08 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 17/10/17 4:17AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>>> Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
>>>
>>> As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon. Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
>>
>> These are a great step forward. I think the visual illusion of the frame turning into a finished skin would be enhanced by the skin being smaller so it doesn't feel like a glove. Here's a quick hacky demonstration that needs more tidy up.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bw5wY__nj_W9NTVkQm9rTk5Fbms?usp=sharing
>>
>> It might be interesting to see the top end of the fruit being even more realistic with a slight shine, then it progresses from wireframe to flat colour to realistic. Again, I only spent 10 minutes on this, so I know it needs to be done much better, but look at logo-realistic.png in that same share.
>>
>>
>> Ari
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> -------------------------->
>> Aristedes Maniatis
>> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
>
--
Best regards,
Nikita Timofeev
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Here ys a more realistic 3D logo (at the same location) :
https://projects.invisionapp.com/share/QPDY76KB9
Andrus
> On Oct 20, 2017, at 5:08 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>
> On 17/10/17 4:17AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
>>
>> As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon. Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
>
> These are a great step forward. I think the visual illusion of the frame turning into a finished skin would be enhanced by the skin being smaller so it doesn't feel like a glove. Here's a quick hacky demonstration that needs more tidy up.
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bw5wY__nj_W9NTVkQm9rTk5Fbms?usp=sharing
>
> It might be interesting to see the top end of the fruit being even more realistic with a slight shine, then it progresses from wireframe to flat colour to realistic. Again, I only spent 10 minutes on this, so I know it needs to be done much better, but look at logo-realistic.png in that same share.
>
>
> Ari
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> -------------------------->
> Aristedes Maniatis
> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
On 17/10/17 4:17AM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
>
> As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon. Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
These are a great step forward. I think the visual illusion of the frame turning into a finished skin would be enhanced by the skin being smaller so it doesn't feel like a glove. Here's a quick hacky demonstration that needs more tidy up.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bw5wY__nj_W9NTVkQm9rTk5Fbms?usp=sharing
It might be interesting to see the top end of the fruit being even more realistic with a slight shine, then it progresses from wireframe to flat colour to realistic. Again, I only spent 10 minutes on this, so I know it needs to be done much better, but look at logo-realistic.png in that same share.
Ari
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Aristedes Maniatis
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Michael Gentry <bl...@gmail.com>.
I like them. The 3D one looks sweet. However, if you want to put the new
logo (3D) in either the CM desktop or even the monochrome logo in
favicon.ico, it would be best to have a 2nd version that is rotated to fit
better in a square shape. Alternatively, I suppose, just have one version
that fits in a square shape, but that might not look as good in web pages.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>
wrote:
> Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
>
> As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a
> bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I
> wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon.
> Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
>
> Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
Here is another version of the logo: https://invis.io/QPDY76KB9
As you see there are two flavors - a small monochrome (white) logo and a bigger 3D logo. I certainly like both better than the initial version. I wonder how well the 3D logo will look like as a Modeler desktop icon. Zhenya, the designer, is on vacation now, so we won't know for a few weeks.
Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Robert Zeigler <ro...@roxanemy.com>.
It’s been awhile since I’ve used Java. :) But one thing Cayenne always shined at was making it simple to escape the ORM abstraction and move directly to the Db layer, but doing it in a way that was still clean. For instance, SQLTemplate queries. SQLTemplate queries saved my applications' performance on multiple occasions with large data sets and complex traversals. I suppose today I might try to use EJBQLQuery, but it’s nice to have SQLTemplate in my back pocket. I know Hibernate allows you to execute direct queries, but the lack of ideas such as DbEntity and SQLTemplate always made direct escapes to SQL via hibernate ugly.
Robert
> On Oct 9, 2017, at 2:24 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>
> On 9/10/17 4:15PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> Maybe I am not looking at it from the user perspective, but I think "ORM with character" is a good slogan.
>
> "ORM with style" is similar but without the connotation in English that "character" can be somewhat undesirable.
>
> But its a little overused. Let's keep thinking.
>
>
> What are the positive characteristics we'd like to highlight?
>
> * ease of use
> * flexibility for different DAO ideas and abstractions
> * escape the rigid box of JPA
> * modeler
>
>
> Its been too long since I've used Hibernate and friends, so I don't really know what Cayenne's unique selling point is these days. Maybe I'll start a thread on the user list and get some ideas.
>
>
>
> Ari
>
>
>
> --
> -------------------------->
> Aristedes Maniatis
> GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> On Oct 9, 2017, at 10:24 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>
> * ease of use
> * flexibility for different DAO ideas and abstractions
> * escape the rigid box of JPA
> * modeler
* third-party dependency free (since 4.1 there's only SLF4J dependency).
Andrus
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org>.
On 9/10/17 4:15PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
> Maybe I am not looking at it from the user perspective, but I think "ORM with character" is a good slogan.
"ORM with style" is similar but without the connotation in English that "character" can be somewhat undesirable.
But its a little overused. Let's keep thinking.
What are the positive characteristics we'd like to highlight?
* ease of use
* flexibility for different DAO ideas and abstractions
* escape the rigid box of JPA
* modeler
Its been too long since I've used Hibernate and friends, so I don't really know what Cayenne's unique selling point is these days. Maybe I'll start a thread on the user list and get some ideas.
Ari
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Aristedes Maniatis
GPG fingerprint CBFB 84B4 738D 4E87 5E5C 5EFA EF6A 7D2E 3E49 102A
Re: New Cayenne website design
Posted by Andrus Adamchik <an...@objectstyle.org>.
> On Oct 8, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Aristedes Maniatis <ar...@maniatis.org> wrote:
>
> On 30/9/17 9:40PM, Andrus Adamchik wrote:
>> Other than the logo debate, everybody seems to like the design, so I guess we proceed with it.
>
> I made a bunch of more specific comments inside invision, some of which Evgeny has responded to. I think it would be worth going a few more rounds of comments and adjustments since I think there are still some structural issues like navigation, colour and accessibility which are really important. But overall it is going in the right direction!
re: comment #1 - "ORM with character"
Maybe I am not looking at it from the user perspective, but I think "ORM with character" is a good slogan. All Java ORMs out there are essentially the same. They are descendants of the J2EE and Hibernate philosophy and are constrained by the JPA spec. Cayenne came from the different background and has a different approach to modeling and using persistence. We are unrestricted in our API experimentation.
So maybe "character" is too scary to the end users and we can find a better word, but I wanted to explicitly underscore this distinctness.
Any other suggestions?
Andrus