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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com> on 2013/11/01 11:32:53 UTC
RE:Issue with mobile UI default sizes
Hi, I would prefer peer approval on the proposition below before going ahead.
Anyone?
Maurice
________________________________________
De : Maurice Amsellem
Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 17:08
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
Hi,
Based on yesterday's discussions & suggestions, and putting aside the secondary topics for now :-) , this is what could be done and why :
Requirements to be compliant with Apple's specs on iOS devices:
1) "retina" devices should always get the double DPI of their non retina equivalent
2) "mini" devices should always get the same DPI of their non-mini equivalent.
To meet the above requirements, these are the DPI classifications for iOS devices:
iPad 1+2 => 160 DPI (real:132)
iPad 3+4 => 320 DPI (real: 264)
iPad mini 1 => 160 DPI (real:163)
iPad mini retina => 320 DPI (real:326)
This is basically equivalent to reverting back to SDK 4.10 DPI classification , and fix the common issue with iPad 3+4.
The change should be done in the default RuntimeDPIProvider, and specifically for the devices above , so as not to impact other devices...
What do you think ?
Maurice
PS:
Actually there are two other possibilities that also meet the requirement and that I rejected:
2) use the 120 / 240 instead of 160 / 320 for all iOS devices
that is SDK 4.11 extended to "mini",
=> but then people are complaining that the UI is too small (smaller than what it used to be)
3) use 120 / 240 for all iOS devices, AND scale up all CSS and AS Script by 1.33
=> far too costly..
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsellem@systar.com]
Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 01:02
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
I can confirm these figures for SDK 4.10
- iPad 1+2 = 160 dpi (real: 132)
- iPad 3+4 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
- iPad mini 1 = 160 dpi (real: 163).
And for SDK 4.11:
- iPad 1+2 = 120 dpi (real: 132)
- iPad 3 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
So if the buckets didn't change in SDK 4.11, I guess that your figures for iPad mini 1 and 2 are correct for SDK 4.11
Maurice
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com] Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 00:40 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
Hi,
Currently this is what classifyDPI returns:
- iPad1+2 = 120 dpi
- iPad 3+4+Air = 240 dpi
- iPad min 1 = 160 dpi
- iPad mini 2 = 320 dpi
Or so I assueme form the specs anyone confirm on a real device?
Thanks,
Justin
RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
Posted by Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>.
Fixed as designed.
committed to develop branch
Tested on iPad 2 and iPad 3
Mustella "mobile/*" tests pass.
Maurice
-----Message d'origine-----
De : omuppi1@gmail.com [mailto:omuppi1@gmail.com] De la part de OmPrakash Muppirala
Envoyé : vendredi 1 novembre 2013 18:16
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
On Nov 1, 2013 10:02 AM, "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Alex and Om.
> I will then make the change.
>
Thanks for taking this on!
> BTW, do you know why the 120 DPI classification was introduced? Is it
> to
match the DENSITY_LOW dpi class on the Android platform?
Yes, that is correct. This JIRA ticket has more details:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33659
Thanks,
Om
>
> Maurice
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : omuppi1@gmail.com [mailto:omuppi1@gmail.com] De la part de
> OmPrakash
Muppirala
> Envoyé : vendredi 1 novembre 2013 17:06 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet
> : Re: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
>
> +1 from me.
>
> Thanks,
> Om
> On Nov 1, 2013 7:41 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > I haven't wrestled with this DPI stuff to truly understand the
> > issue, but I don't see anything obviously wrong with it.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 11/1/13 3:32 AM, "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Hi, I would prefer peer approval on the proposition below before
> > >going ahead.
> > >Anyone?
> > >
> > >Maurice
> > >
> > >________________________________________
> > >De : Maurice Amsellem
> > >Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 17:08 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet
> > >: RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >Based on yesterday's discussions & suggestions, and putting aside
> > >the secondary topics for now :-) , this is what could be done and why :
> > >
> > >Requirements to be compliant with Apple's specs on iOS devices:
> > >1) "retina" devices should always get the double DPI of their non
> > >retina equivalent
> > >2) "mini" devices should always get the same DPI of their non-mini
> > >equivalent.
> > >
> > >To meet the above requirements, these are the DPI classifications
> > >for iOS
> > >devices:
> > >iPad 1+2 => 160 DPI (real:132)
> > >iPad 3+4 => 320 DPI (real: 264)
> > >iPad mini 1 => 160 DPI (real:163)
> > >iPad mini retina => 320 DPI (real:326)
> > >
> > >This is basically equivalent to reverting back to SDK 4.10 DPI
> > >classification , and fix the common issue with iPad 3+4.
> > >
> > >The change should be done in the default RuntimeDPIProvider, and
> > >specifically for the devices above , so as not to impact other
devices...
> > >
> > >What do you think ?
> > >
> > >Maurice
> > >
> > >PS:
> > >Actually there are two other possibilities that also meet the
> > >requirement and that I rejected:
> > >2) use the 120 / 240 instead of 160 / 320 for all iOS devices that
> > >is SDK 4.11 extended to "mini", => but then people are complaining
> > >that the UI is too small (smaller than what it used to be)
> > >
> > >3) use 120 / 240 for all iOS devices, AND scale up all CSS and AS
> > >Script by 1.33 => far too costly..
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > >De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsellem@systar.com]
> > >Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 01:02 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet
> > >: RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
> > >
> > >I can confirm these figures for SDK 4.10
> > >
> > >- iPad 1+2 = 160 dpi (real: 132)
> > >- iPad 3+4 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
> > >- iPad mini 1 = 160 dpi (real: 163).
> > >
> > >And for SDK 4.11:
> > >- iPad 1+2 = 120 dpi (real: 132)
> > >- iPad 3 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
> > >
> > >So if the buckets didn't change in SDK 4.11, I guess that your
> > >figures for iPad mini 1 and 2 are correct for SDK 4.11
> > >
> > >Maurice
> > >
> > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > >De : Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com] Envoyé : jeudi
> > >31 octobre 2013 00:40 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Issue
> > >with mobile UI default sizes
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >Currently this is what classifyDPI returns:
> > >- iPad1+2 = 120 dpi
> > >- iPad 3+4+Air = 240 dpi
> > >- iPad min 1 = 160 dpi
> > >- iPad mini 2 = 320 dpi
> > >
> > >Or so I assueme form the specs anyone confirm on a real device?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Justin
> >
> >
RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
Posted by OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>.
On Nov 1, 2013 10:02 AM, "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
wrote:
>
> Thanks Alex and Om.
> I will then make the change.
>
Thanks for taking this on!
> BTW, do you know why the 120 DPI classification was introduced? Is it to
match the DENSITY_LOW dpi class on the Android platform?
Yes, that is correct. This JIRA ticket has more details:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/FLEX-33659
Thanks,
Om
>
> Maurice
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : omuppi1@gmail.com [mailto:omuppi1@gmail.com] De la part de OmPrakash
Muppirala
> Envoyé : vendredi 1 novembre 2013 17:06
> À : dev@flex.apache.org
> Objet : Re: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
>
> +1 from me.
>
> Thanks,
> Om
> On Nov 1, 2013 7:41 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
> > I haven't wrestled with this DPI stuff to truly understand the issue,
> > but I don't see anything obviously wrong with it.
> >
> > -Alex
> >
> > On 11/1/13 3:32 AM, "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >Hi, I would prefer peer approval on the proposition below before
> > >going ahead.
> > >Anyone?
> > >
> > >Maurice
> > >
> > >________________________________________
> > >De : Maurice Amsellem
> > >Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 17:08
> > >À : dev@flex.apache.org
> > >Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >Based on yesterday's discussions & suggestions, and putting aside the
> > >secondary topics for now :-) , this is what could be done and why :
> > >
> > >Requirements to be compliant with Apple's specs on iOS devices:
> > >1) "retina" devices should always get the double DPI of their non
> > >retina equivalent
> > >2) "mini" devices should always get the same DPI of their non-mini
> > >equivalent.
> > >
> > >To meet the above requirements, these are the DPI classifications for
> > >iOS
> > >devices:
> > >iPad 1+2 => 160 DPI (real:132)
> > >iPad 3+4 => 320 DPI (real: 264)
> > >iPad mini 1 => 160 DPI (real:163)
> > >iPad mini retina => 320 DPI (real:326)
> > >
> > >This is basically equivalent to reverting back to SDK 4.10 DPI
> > >classification , and fix the common issue with iPad 3+4.
> > >
> > >The change should be done in the default RuntimeDPIProvider, and
> > >specifically for the devices above , so as not to impact other
devices...
> > >
> > >What do you think ?
> > >
> > >Maurice
> > >
> > >PS:
> > >Actually there are two other possibilities that also meet the
> > >requirement and that I rejected:
> > >2) use the 120 / 240 instead of 160 / 320 for all iOS devices that is
> > >SDK 4.11 extended to "mini", => but then people are complaining that
> > >the UI is too small (smaller than what it used to be)
> > >
> > >3) use 120 / 240 for all iOS devices, AND scale up all CSS and AS
> > >Script by 1.33 => far too costly..
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > >De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsellem@systar.com]
> > >Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 01:02
> > >À : dev@flex.apache.org
> > >Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
> > >
> > >I can confirm these figures for SDK 4.10
> > >
> > >- iPad 1+2 = 160 dpi (real: 132)
> > >- iPad 3+4 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
> > >- iPad mini 1 = 160 dpi (real: 163).
> > >
> > >And for SDK 4.11:
> > >- iPad 1+2 = 120 dpi (real: 132)
> > >- iPad 3 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
> > >
> > >So if the buckets didn't change in SDK 4.11, I guess that your
> > >figures for iPad mini 1 and 2 are correct for SDK 4.11
> > >
> > >Maurice
> > >
> > >-----Message d'origine-----
> > >De : Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com] Envoyé : jeudi
> > >31 octobre 2013 00:40 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Issue with
> > >mobile UI default sizes
> > >
> > >Hi,
> > >
> > >Currently this is what classifyDPI returns:
> > >- iPad1+2 = 120 dpi
> > >- iPad 3+4+Air = 240 dpi
> > >- iPad min 1 = 160 dpi
> > >- iPad mini 2 = 320 dpi
> > >
> > >Or so I assueme form the specs anyone confirm on a real device?
> > >
> > >Thanks,
> > >Justin
> >
> >
RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
Posted by Maurice Amsellem <ma...@systar.com>.
Thanks Alex and Om.
I will then make the change.
BTW, do you know why the 120 DPI classification was introduced? Is it to match the DENSITY_LOW dpi class on the Android platform?
Maurice
-----Message d'origine-----
De : omuppi1@gmail.com [mailto:omuppi1@gmail.com] De la part de OmPrakash Muppirala
Envoyé : vendredi 1 novembre 2013 17:06
À : dev@flex.apache.org
Objet : Re: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
+1 from me.
Thanks,
Om
On Nov 1, 2013 7:41 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I haven't wrestled with this DPI stuff to truly understand the issue,
> but I don't see anything obviously wrong with it.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 11/1/13 3:32 AM, "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Hi, I would prefer peer approval on the proposition below before
> >going ahead.
> >Anyone?
> >
> >Maurice
> >
> >________________________________________
> >De : Maurice Amsellem
> >Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 17:08
> >À : dev@flex.apache.org
> >Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Based on yesterday's discussions & suggestions, and putting aside the
> >secondary topics for now :-) , this is what could be done and why :
> >
> >Requirements to be compliant with Apple's specs on iOS devices:
> >1) "retina" devices should always get the double DPI of their non
> >retina equivalent
> >2) "mini" devices should always get the same DPI of their non-mini
> >equivalent.
> >
> >To meet the above requirements, these are the DPI classifications for
> >iOS
> >devices:
> >iPad 1+2 => 160 DPI (real:132)
> >iPad 3+4 => 320 DPI (real: 264)
> >iPad mini 1 => 160 DPI (real:163)
> >iPad mini retina => 320 DPI (real:326)
> >
> >This is basically equivalent to reverting back to SDK 4.10 DPI
> >classification , and fix the common issue with iPad 3+4.
> >
> >The change should be done in the default RuntimeDPIProvider, and
> >specifically for the devices above , so as not to impact other devices...
> >
> >What do you think ?
> >
> >Maurice
> >
> >PS:
> >Actually there are two other possibilities that also meet the
> >requirement and that I rejected:
> >2) use the 120 / 240 instead of 160 / 320 for all iOS devices that is
> >SDK 4.11 extended to "mini", => but then people are complaining that
> >the UI is too small (smaller than what it used to be)
> >
> >3) use 120 / 240 for all iOS devices, AND scale up all CSS and AS
> >Script by 1.33 => far too costly..
> >
> >
> >-----Message d'origine-----
> >De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsellem@systar.com]
> >Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 01:02
> >À : dev@flex.apache.org
> >Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
> >
> >I can confirm these figures for SDK 4.10
> >
> >- iPad 1+2 = 160 dpi (real: 132)
> >- iPad 3+4 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
> >- iPad mini 1 = 160 dpi (real: 163).
> >
> >And for SDK 4.11:
> >- iPad 1+2 = 120 dpi (real: 132)
> >- iPad 3 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
> >
> >So if the buckets didn't change in SDK 4.11, I guess that your
> >figures for iPad mini 1 and 2 are correct for SDK 4.11
> >
> >Maurice
> >
> >-----Message d'origine-----
> >De : Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com] Envoyé : jeudi
> >31 octobre 2013 00:40 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Issue with
> >mobile UI default sizes
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Currently this is what classifyDPI returns:
> >- iPad1+2 = 120 dpi
> >- iPad 3+4+Air = 240 dpi
> >- iPad min 1 = 160 dpi
> >- iPad mini 2 = 320 dpi
> >
> >Or so I assueme form the specs anyone confirm on a real device?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Justin
>
>
Re: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
Posted by OmPrakash Muppirala <bi...@gmail.com>.
+1 from me.
Thanks,
Om
On Nov 1, 2013 7:41 AM, "Alex Harui" <ah...@adobe.com> wrote:
> I haven't wrestled with this DPI stuff to truly understand the issue, but
> I don't see anything obviously wrong with it.
>
> -Alex
>
> On 11/1/13 3:32 AM, "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >Hi, I would prefer peer approval on the proposition below before going
> >ahead.
> >Anyone?
> >
> >Maurice
> >
> >________________________________________
> >De : Maurice Amsellem
> >Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 17:08
> >À : dev@flex.apache.org
> >Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Based on yesterday's discussions & suggestions, and putting aside the
> >secondary topics for now :-) , this is what could be done and why :
> >
> >Requirements to be compliant with Apple's specs on iOS devices:
> >1) "retina" devices should always get the double DPI of their non retina
> >equivalent
> >2) "mini" devices should always get the same DPI of their non-mini
> >equivalent.
> >
> >To meet the above requirements, these are the DPI classifications for iOS
> >devices:
> >iPad 1+2 => 160 DPI (real:132)
> >iPad 3+4 => 320 DPI (real: 264)
> >iPad mini 1 => 160 DPI (real:163)
> >iPad mini retina => 320 DPI (real:326)
> >
> >This is basically equivalent to reverting back to SDK 4.10 DPI
> >classification , and fix the common issue with iPad 3+4.
> >
> >The change should be done in the default RuntimeDPIProvider, and
> >specifically for the devices above , so as not to impact other devices...
> >
> >What do you think ?
> >
> >Maurice
> >
> >PS:
> >Actually there are two other possibilities that also meet the requirement
> >and that I rejected:
> >2) use the 120 / 240 instead of 160 / 320 for all iOS devices
> >that is SDK 4.11 extended to "mini",
> >=> but then people are complaining that the UI is too small (smaller than
> >what it used to be)
> >
> >3) use 120 / 240 for all iOS devices, AND scale up all CSS and AS Script
> >by 1.33
> >=> far too costly..
> >
> >
> >-----Message d'origine-----
> >De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsellem@systar.com]
> >Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 01:02
> >À : dev@flex.apache.org
> >Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
> >
> >I can confirm these figures for SDK 4.10
> >
> >- iPad 1+2 = 160 dpi (real: 132)
> >- iPad 3+4 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
> >- iPad mini 1 = 160 dpi (real: 163).
> >
> >And for SDK 4.11:
> >- iPad 1+2 = 120 dpi (real: 132)
> >- iPad 3 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
> >
> >So if the buckets didn't change in SDK 4.11, I guess that your figures
> >for iPad mini 1 and 2 are correct for SDK 4.11
> >
> >Maurice
> >
> >-----Message d'origine-----
> >De : Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com] Envoyé : jeudi 31
> >octobre 2013 00:40 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Issue with mobile
> >UI default sizes
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >Currently this is what classifyDPI returns:
> >- iPad1+2 = 120 dpi
> >- iPad 3+4+Air = 240 dpi
> >- iPad min 1 = 160 dpi
> >- iPad mini 2 = 320 dpi
> >
> >Or so I assueme form the specs anyone confirm on a real device?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Justin
>
>
Re: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
Posted by Alex Harui <ah...@adobe.com>.
I haven't wrestled with this DPI stuff to truly understand the issue, but
I don't see anything obviously wrong with it.
-Alex
On 11/1/13 3:32 AM, "Maurice Amsellem" <ma...@systar.com> wrote:
>
>Hi, I would prefer peer approval on the proposition below before going
>ahead.
>Anyone?
>
>Maurice
>
>________________________________________
>De : Maurice Amsellem
>Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 17:08
>À : dev@flex.apache.org
>Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
>
>Hi,
>
>Based on yesterday's discussions & suggestions, and putting aside the
>secondary topics for now :-) , this is what could be done and why :
>
>Requirements to be compliant with Apple's specs on iOS devices:
>1) "retina" devices should always get the double DPI of their non retina
>equivalent
>2) "mini" devices should always get the same DPI of their non-mini
>equivalent.
>
>To meet the above requirements, these are the DPI classifications for iOS
>devices:
>iPad 1+2 => 160 DPI (real:132)
>iPad 3+4 => 320 DPI (real: 264)
>iPad mini 1 => 160 DPI (real:163)
>iPad mini retina => 320 DPI (real:326)
>
>This is basically equivalent to reverting back to SDK 4.10 DPI
>classification , and fix the common issue with iPad 3+4.
>
>The change should be done in the default RuntimeDPIProvider, and
>specifically for the devices above , so as not to impact other devices...
>
>What do you think ?
>
>Maurice
>
>PS:
>Actually there are two other possibilities that also meet the requirement
>and that I rejected:
>2) use the 120 / 240 instead of 160 / 320 for all iOS devices
>that is SDK 4.11 extended to "mini",
>=> but then people are complaining that the UI is too small (smaller than
>what it used to be)
>
>3) use 120 / 240 for all iOS devices, AND scale up all CSS and AS Script
>by 1.33
>=> far too costly..
>
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : Maurice Amsellem [mailto:maurice.amsellem@systar.com]
>Envoyé : jeudi 31 octobre 2013 01:02
>À : dev@flex.apache.org
>Objet : RE: Issue with mobile UI default sizes
>
>I can confirm these figures for SDK 4.10
>
>- iPad 1+2 = 160 dpi (real: 132)
>- iPad 3+4 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
>- iPad mini 1 = 160 dpi (real: 163).
>
>And for SDK 4.11:
>- iPad 1+2 = 120 dpi (real: 132)
>- iPad 3 = 240 dpi (real: 263)
>
>So if the buckets didn't change in SDK 4.11, I guess that your figures
>for iPad mini 1 and 2 are correct for SDK 4.11
>
>Maurice
>
>-----Message d'origine-----
>De : Justin Mclean [mailto:justin@classsoftware.com] Envoyé : jeudi 31
>octobre 2013 00:40 À : dev@flex.apache.org Objet : Re: Issue with mobile
>UI default sizes
>
>Hi,
>
>Currently this is what classifyDPI returns:
>- iPad1+2 = 120 dpi
>- iPad 3+4+Air = 240 dpi
>- iPad min 1 = 160 dpi
>- iPad mini 2 = 320 dpi
>
>Or so I assueme form the specs anyone confirm on a real device?
>
>Thanks,
>Justin